Re: Tips for accessibly Managing/Navigating Grub2 in a Dual boot Scenario?

[Rob Whyte]

Push end to go to bottom of list and up arrow once.

That is how I reliably do it.

I depends on age of system of course.


Might be worthwhile trying from the bottom though instead of arrowing 
down through a growing list of options.



cheers


On 12/6/23 07:23, Al Puzzuoli wrote:


Thanks!

I understand this in principle now; but either something is odd or 
more likely, I’m still just confused.


When I run efibootmgr, I get the following:

BootCurrent: 0001

Timeout: 1 seconds

BootOrder: 0001,,0004,0005,0002,0003

Boot* Windows Boot Manager

Boot0001* ubuntu

Boot0002* Generic Usb Device

Boot0003* CD/DVD Device

Boot0004* UEFI: PXE IPv4 Intel(R) Ethernet Connection (17) I219-LM

Boot0005* UEFI: PXE IPv6 Intel(R) Ethernet Connection (17) I219-LM

So:

Since Boot* Windows Boot Manager is the first item in the list, I 
should be able to make the machine boot to Windows by setting 
GRUB_DEFAULT=0, and then running update-grub, right? Only problem is 
GRUB_DEFAULT is already set to 0, and with this setting, the machine 
boots to Linux. Therefore, I tried    grub_default=1, but the machine 
still boots to Linux.


I also tried grub_default=saved, and then playing with the 
grub-set-default command. Whether I set it to 0 or 1, I still end up 
in Linux.


Playing with the grub-reboot command yields similar results. No matter 
what values I use for any of these commands, I either end up booting 
to Linux, or to a place where I don’t have a screen reader and can’t 
figure out what’s going on.


If I didn’t know any better, I would almost think that I am actually 
booting to the Windows Boot manager, but the Windows boot manager is 
defaulting to load Ubuntu. Is that even possible? I can’t imagine the 
Ubuntu 23.04 installer would have modified the Windows boot manager as 
well as installing Grub?


At this point, I may have to connect a monitor and resort to sighted 
assistance. Very bizarre indeed.


Thanks again,

--Al

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boot Scenario?


Hi,

I can directly edit the grub config file. In my setup, I turned on the 
beep, set timeout to -1 which will wait for a response forever, and 
also set the menu to visible instead of hidden. Also disable all of 
the extra recovery options. When you are in a terminal window, type 
sudo efibootmgr and provide your sudo password. This will tell you 
what order the boot managers are in and which one is the default. 
After the setup, the menu will wait forever, displaying the menu and 
only give you the active boot options . It will 
also beep when it is ready for a response. You can also use the 
efibootmgr to determine what menu option to use for the default OS option.


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 *On Behalf Of *faginbagin

*Sent:* Sunday, June 11, 2023 12:27 PM
*To:* ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
*Subject:* Re: Tips for accessibly Managing/Navigating Grub2 in a Dual 
boot Scenario?


On 6/11/2023 12:17 PM, faginbagin wrote:

On 6/11/2023 11:57 AM, Al Puzzuoli wrote:

Hi all,

On one of my machines, I have installed Ubuntu 23.04 alongside
Windows 11. By default now, the machine boots into Linux. My
issue is that I’m not sure how to reliably boot to Windows
when I want to do so. I’ve enabled the Grub beep, and after
the beep, I’ve experimented with pressing down arrow and then
enter, pressing down arrow twice, and then enter, etc. Maybe I
need to down arrow 3 or 4 times, but the upshot is I’m just
not sure. I’m guessing there are a number of entries I could
care less about such as Memtest 386 and older kernels will get
added as time passes.

What’s the best way to deal with this these days? Sounds like
you’re no longer supposed to edit grub.conf directly. I’ve
seen talk about the grub-customizer tool but I’m having issues
installing that in 23.04.

Seems like this used to be easier 15 or 20 years ago with the
old Grub. Ah well.

Thanks,

--Al

Would it help if grub saved your last boot option? In other words,
if you do boot into Windows, the next time you reboot, the default
choice will be windows? If so, the attached patch might help (if
the list allows text format patches). It's from a 22.04 system (I
don't have 23.04 installed), but /etc/default/grub has not seen a
lot of changes over time. I hope it helps.

Forgot to mention that this patch also disables the splash screen and 
makes sure there's a 10 second timeout. If you don't want those 
changes, but do want to save your last boot as the next default boot 
option. you only need to change GRUB_DEFAULT and add GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT 
as shown in the patch. I did comment out GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE but I'm 
not sure

Re: installing ubuntu with speakup

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,

if you have Voxin, voxinup is another ocnnector.

systemctl enable voxinup and you have console speech.


cheers

On 2/4/23 02:41, David wrote:


Hi there –

After numerous tries, I am still unsuccessful in getting speakup to 
work with ubuntu, and I contribute that largely to operator error 
[that’s me!]


So, here I am, asking if anyone has step-by-step instructions on how 
to install ubuntu from stratch and have speakup working correctly?


Use server version? Use desktop version? Do something else?

I do not need any desktop environments, just the plain command-line 
interface with speakup


Thank you very much in advance, talk soon

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CAVI course offerings this semester

[Rob Whyte]

Cisco Academy for Vision Impaired.
Courses being offering from February 15th 2021 are:
http://wiki.cucat.org/index.php/Main/CaviSchedule
Lua Essentials - new
Linux Essentials - archived course
Python Essentials - archived course
IT Essentials V7.0 - archived course
Screen Reader Essentials - archived course
These courses will have fees attached of $100 USD per course offering.
Fees can be waived based on financial hardship and on a case-by-case basis.
If you would like to participate, could you please send and email to
neil.hi...@curtin.edu.au
Include the course you'd like to participate in, your full name, date of
birth, country of origin and where you heard about us.
For more information email Neil as per above email, or r...@ciscovision.org
Please share around any interested parties or organisations
Thank you
Rob

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Re: Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on Live CD?

[Rob Whyte]

I hit super key for Mate edition, started typing ubuiquity and instlal 
ubuntu came up, i was able to install easily.



Warm regards
RobWhyte
JAWS certified 2018
On 29/11/20 9:40 am, Al Puzzuoli wrote:


Not even sure how to do that in this case. Orca isn’t reading any 
options at all. When the install comes up, Orca is completely silent. 
If I alt tab  away and then back to the window, it says “Install as 
super user”. That’s the only feedback at all I ever get from the 
installer.


Thanks,

--Al

*From:* Glenn K0LNY 
*Sent:* Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:04 PM
*To:* Al Puzzuoli ; 
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
*Subject:* Re: Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on 
Live CD?


I have found with previous installs, that if you do the quit option 
when Orca isn't working, and then cancel the quit before actually 
quitting the install, Orca starts working again.


HTH.

Glenn

- Original Message -

*From:*Al Puzzuoli 

*To:*ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com 



*Sent:*Saturday, November 28, 2020 1:01 PM

*Subject:*Orca not working with ubuntu-mate-20.10 installer on Live CD?

Hello,

Just tried to install ubuntu-mate-20.10. It seems that the installer 
is running as super user while Orca is not. Unless I’m missing 
something, The initial installer screen is currently completely 
inaccessible. Is this a known issue? If not, what’s the best way to 
report it?


Thanks,

--Al



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Re: orca not working on ubuntu mate 16.04.2

[Rob Whyte]

Hi Don,

you start Orca with Alt Super S.

cheers


On 11/04/17 09:39, Don Raikes wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just completed the installation of ubuntu-mate 16.04.2 onto my desktop 
> system. 
> After reboot orca will not start. I tried using the alt+windowsKey+s key 
> combination which should start orca, but no success.
>
> Also I never get the bongo drum sound indicating that I am at the desktop.
>
> I can switch to a console window and work with Braille, but would like the 
> desktop to be working as well.
>
> Any tips / suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> TIA,
>
> Don
>
> -- 
> Thank you, Donald
>
> Oracle 
> Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist / QA Security Point of Contact
> Phone: +15205744033 
> OracleApplication Development Framework
> STREET | , Arizona ZIPCODE
>
> Green Oracle 
>
>   
>
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> the 
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Re: Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux

[Rob Whyte]

Hey there Milton,

nice to see you about.

Yes I guess it will be Vinux 7 indeed.

We are still in early stages of planning.

We have secured servers etc to develop and build packages on and are
planning our build process.


Basically trying to get our ducks in a row as one would say.


Stay tuned to our support list.

Subscribe by mailing vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com


cheers

Rob



On 15/03/17 22:59, Milton wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Great news! Will Vinux 7 based on Fedora and when will the release be
> planned?
> Milton
>
> Op 15-03-17 om 12:53 schreef Rob Whyte:
>> Hi Werwoelfchen,
>>
>> It is our hope to complete our Ubuntu 16.04.2 release of Vinux 6 and
>> support that whilst we work on a Fedora release.
>>
>> Hope this addresses your query sufficiently.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/03/17 22:49, Werwoelfchen wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Will the Vinux project finish the Ubuntu support?
>>> Regards,
>>> Wolfram
>>> Am 15.03.2017 um 12:21 schrieb Rob Whyte:
>>>> Sonar merges with the Vinux Project.
>>>> http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up.
>>>>
>>>> Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities.
>>>> A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux
>>>> team
>>>> members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together
>>>> toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the
>>>> distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held
>>>> between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place
>>>> toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams
>>>> have
>>>> been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the
>>>> influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said
>>>> that
>>>> the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most
>>>> importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop
>>>> some visions we have had for some time.
>>>>
>>>> Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit
>>>> organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user
>>>> base.
>>>> Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM
>>>> architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also
>>>> committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM
>>>> devices.
>>>>
>>>> Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after
>>>> much consultation that a specialised distro is still required.
>>>> Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active
>>>> development
>>>> of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text
>>>> recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and
>>>> contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions.
>>>>
>>>> Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop
>>>> environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the
>>>> Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others,
>>>> depending on
>>>> the availability of hardware.
>>>>
>>>> We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Rob Whyte
>>>> Vinux project manager
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>


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Re: Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux

[Rob Whyte]

Hi Werwoelfchen,

It is our hope to complete our Ubuntu 16.04.2 release of Vinux 6 and
support that whilst we work on a Fedora release.

Hope this addresses your query sufficiently.


Cheers

Rob



On 15/03/17 22:49, Werwoelfchen wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Will the Vinux project finish the Ubuntu support?
> Regards,
> Wolfram
> Am 15.03.2017 um 12:21 schrieb Rob Whyte:
>> Sonar merges with the Vinux Project.
>> http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up.
>>
>> Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities.
>> A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux team
>> members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together
>> toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the
>> distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held
>> between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place
>> toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams have
>> been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the
>> influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said that
>> the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most
>> importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop
>> some visions we have had for some time.
>>
>> Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit
>> organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user base.
>> Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM
>> architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also
>> committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM
>> devices.
>>
>> Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after
>> much consultation that a specialised distro is still required.
>> Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active development
>> of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text
>> recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and
>> contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions.
>>
>> Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop
>> environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the
>> Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others, depending on
>> the availability of hardware.
>>
>> We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Rob Whyte
>> Vinux project manager
>>
>


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Sonar GNU Linux merges with Vinux

[Rob Whyte]

Sonar merges with the Vinux Project.
http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up.

Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities.
A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux team
members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together 
toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the
distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held
between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place
toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams have
been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the
influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said that
the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most
importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop
some visions we have had for some time.

Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit
organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user base.
Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM
architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also
committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM
devices.

Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after
much consultation that a specialised distro is still required.
Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active development
of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text
recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and
contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions.

Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop
environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the
Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others, depending on
the availability of hardware.

We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing.

Kind regards
Rob Whyte
Vinux project manager

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Re: trouble booting Ubuntu

[Rob Whyte]

I have not been following this thread but I would use live media to
mount and repair it that way.

Are you familiar iwth how to mount a partition and bind proc dev sys etc
to repair grub or run fsck on unmounted file systems?


Cheers



On 05/03/17 16:01, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> My guess is, it wants you to key in root password so you can then run
> e2fsck and repair the system.  What ubuntu accessibility is like when
> this happens I do not know.
>
> On Sat, 4 Mar 2017, Glenn At Home wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 13:29:50
>> From: Glenn At Home 
>> To: Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: trouble booting Ubuntu
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have Ubuntu in an external disk drive, I took the HD from my laptop
>> and put in a larger drive, and for setting things up, I was able to
>> boot to my old HD in the external drive via cable, and use the old
>> install of Ubuntu.
>> But the cord got unplugged during boot up and now it looks like a DOS
>> terminal window, I cannot read the stuff on the screen, but I'm
>> guessing that the prompt at the cursor reads boot:
>> My question is,
>> How does one get a failed Ubuntu to boot up in such a situation?
>> Is it working at that prompt, and will it eventually boot up?
>> I'm pretty sure there's no grub window, but there should be, but if
>> there is, how many arrow downs is it on the GRUB menu to repair it?
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Lenny/Glenn/N0YJV
>> "Happiness depends more on the inward disposition of mind than on
>> outward circumstances."
>> Benjamin Franklin
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: partitioning a u s b drive

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,

well I use Vinux which is soon changing from Ubuntu under the hood to
Fedora.

I do not believe speakup is maintained anymore but if you install
speechd-up and from the terminal you can run sudo speechd-up you should
be able to use it.
This does work from Vinux not sure about Ubuntu, some Ubuntu users
install espeakup instead.
cheers

On 02/03/17 07:40, Daniel Crone wrote:
> Hello Rob.  Did not know that.  Which distribution and which desktop is your 
> favorite?
> Also, is speakup still being maintained at all?
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Rob Whyte  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> when you hit space on the drive, you should be given options like
>> format, ext4 and a mount point of / 'slash'.
>>
>> Do you already know that though?
>>
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> On 02/03/17 03:22, Daniel Crone wrote:
>>> Ubuntu 16.04 is on my computer.
>>> I want to use my ubuntu dvd to install ubuntu to a u s b drive, which has 
>>> partitions that would need to be reformatted.
>>> I know that during installing, I would choose, ‘something else’, then go to 
>>> sdb to do what I need to prepare this drive.
>>> How may I find out how to format this drive to a linux format?
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Re: partitioning a u s b drive

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,

when you hit space on the drive, you should be given options like
format, ext4 and a mount point of / 'slash'.

Do you already know that though?


cheers

Rob


On 02/03/17 03:22, Daniel Crone wrote:
> Ubuntu 16.04 is on my computer.
> I want to use my ubuntu dvd to install ubuntu to a u s b drive, which has 
> partitions that would need to be reformatted.
> I know that during installing, I would choose, ‘something else’, then go to 
> sdb to do what I need to prepare this drive.
> How may I find out how to format this drive to a linux format?


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Re: cannot use the accessibility ppa on ubuntu 16.10

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,

the problem is that the archive does not yet contain a Yakkety release.

The latest is Xenial, you could edit your source in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for the accessibility archive and change
yakkety to xenial and apt-get update again.


Good luck

Rob



On 19/01/17 14:07, Amir wrote:
> Hi,
>
> when i added the ppa on ubuntu 16.10 (i am using mate edition), and
> when i update (sudo apt-get update), it said errors when fetching the
> accessibility ppa, so i cannot get the latest version of orca and so
> on! can anyone help? errors are as follows:
>
> "W: The repository
> 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/accessibility-dev/ppa/ubuntu yakkety
> Release' does not have a Release file.
> N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore
> potentially dangerous to use.
> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
> configuration details.
> E: Failed to fetch
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/accessibility-dev/ppa/ubuntu/dists/yakkety/main/binary-i386/Packages
> 404  Not Found
> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
> ones used
>  instead.
> user@user:~$
> "
>
> hth!
>
>
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Vinux 5.1 released

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The Vinux team is pleased to announce the availability of the Vinux 5.1
desktop image.
 
This release features not just the Unity Desktop, but Gnome-shell and
the ever popular Gnome 2 fork called Mate, though we primarily will
support Unity only.

Remember we recommend that when possible users perform updates on a
regular basis. This will enable the Vinux team to update packages, and
introduce new features.
Vinux 5.1 is based upon Ubuntu Trusty Tahr 14.0.4.5 LTS.

Some of the highlights in Vinux 5.1
 
Up to date accessibility infrastructure.
Gnome-ORca 3.20 with updates available for 3.22
AT-SPI 2.20 with updates available for 2.22
Brltty 5.4
Speech-dispatcher 0.8.5
Liblouis 2.6.2

Known bugs
 
We are unable to include the Vinux 4.0 console speech changes due to
Vinux 5.1 not using consolekit any longer, please see
http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/speechd-up for more information.
To use speechd-up log in to your desktop session and run sudo speechd-up
from a gnome-terminal or add a startup item to do it automatically upon
login.

There seems to be a bug in the console if you use speakup-tools to save
local speakup settings.
How ever as a work around you can still gain access using sudo or root.

 
Software

Firefox 48 with updates available to 5.0.1
Thunderbird 45.2 with updates available to 45.5
Unity 7.2.4
Gnome-shell 3.10.4
Mate 1.8
LibreOffice 4.2.8
Espeak 1.48
Evince 3.12.2
Clam av 0.98.7 with updates available to 0.99
Kernel 4.40 from Xenial
 
Availability
 
Vinux 5.1 is available in the AMD64 and i386 architectures
  They contain everything necessary to install the Vinux operating
system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at vision impaired
users.
This should be all you need if you can burn and use DVD sized media.
 Vinux 5.1 can be installed from optical media or from a USB pen drive.
The required files can be downloaded via HTTP as entailed below.
 
Support
 
This is a long term support release, the Vinux development team
encourages users to download and install Vinux 5.1
 We are unable to commit to a support date due to lacking development
resources.

Contacting US

Our mailing list has a supportive community on Google groups at
http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support or you can subscribe by
sending an email to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com
Follow us on Twitter @vinuxnews.
We are on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/Vinux.AccessibleLinux/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/vinux/

Acknowledgements
 
  * Rob Whyte,  Vinux project manager.
  * Luke Yelavich. Development team leader.
  * Bill Taylor. Testing team leader.
  * Karen Searle for proofreading and editing our documentation, website
and wiki. Also for designing our new logo.
  * The Vinux team would also like to thank Christopher Chaltain, Burt
Henry, Peter Tesar and members of the Vinux mailing lists for their
ongoing support.

MD5 Checksums:
 
* vinux-5.1-amd64.iso f29d5ae0f5e7371b297efd5bef9eecd4
* vinux-5.1-i386.iso dce508f1dbfc10a109b866835b6e4d4f
 
Downloading Vinux
 
Vinux has chosen Source forge for our preferred downloads.
This way users can gain fast access to over 17 mirrors and give us
feedback to user statistics.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/vinuxproject/
 
Thank you for supporting the Vinux project.
 
Kind regards
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Re: getting Orca back

[Rob Whyte]

Hi Glen,
I have seen you for several years now struggling to get an OS up and
running.

Do you change operating system a lot and if so why?
Have you considered using Vinux which is setup out of the box for you?

Thanks
Rob Whyte

On 19/11/16 14:12, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
> Hi All,
> After the latest of my attempts I tried from here, I still have no
> Orca, and sound tests yield nothing either.
> I hear pops while Ubuntu is starting.
> Anyone know how to get the audio back to defaults so I may get this
> thing working again?
> I'll have to type into a terminal without speech, hoping I get no typos.
> Thanks for any assistance.
> Glenn
>
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Re: Kodi

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,

sorry I forgot to reply to the list.

This is the link:

https://github.com/ruuk/service.xbmc.tts.git


cheers



On 11/11/16 13:02, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
> Thank you Rob.
> Glenn
>
> - Original Message -
>     *From:* Rob Whyte <mailto:fu...@thefudge.net>
> *To:* Glenn / Lenny <mailto:ger...@cableone.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kodi
>
> There is a TTS addon available that is self voicing and quite good.
>
> It uses speech-dispatcher so is very handy
>
>
>
> On 11/11/16 11:03, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I downloaded Kodi for Windows, and installed it on Windows 7 with
>> Jaws 16, and it was totally unusable, even with the Jaws cursor.
>> So I am wondering, how is it in Ubuntu with Orca?
>> Thanks.
>> Glenn
>>
>>
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Re: Alt+ Super+S Not working on Most Versions of Live CD

[Rob Whyte]

I confirm that the key combination does work in 16.04 and 16.10.


Are you using   the command as you write it with the ALT key first?

As at times the order does matter.


I would like to suggest waiting for the drum sounds as you have done,
and try some different variations of speed and ever so slightly longer
push of the keys as I have noticed that over the years too.


Good luck

Rob



On 05/11/16 02:08, Al Puzzuoli wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm finding that I am unable to  start Orca on most versions of the
> Ubuntu Live CD. After I hear the Tom Tom sound, I press alt+super+S,
> and nothing happens. This has been the case on almost all versions of
> the live CD I have tried, except for Ubuntu Mate 16.10. I've tried
> Regular Ubuntu 16.10, Regular Ubuntu 16.04, Ubuntu Gnome 16.04, all of
> which have had the same issue. I also just tried several flavors of
> the Zesty live CD, and experienced the same problem. Questions:
> Is this a known issue? If not, should I file a bug? If I do need to
> file a bug, where should I file it? The issue doesn't seem to be
> limited to any  single release. Meanwhile, are there any workarounds I
> can use to get the screen reader going for now?
> Thanks,
>
> Al
>
>


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Re: Orca not speaking when I install Ubuntu 16.4 into vmware

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,

It should be quite simple for you to use a desktop image and install
packages.

Ubuntu server is not accessible unless you have some assistance to get
set up.

If you can get some sighted assistance to install, log in and enable ssh
access then go ahead.

There are how ever other alternatives that you can access.

Good luck

Rob



On 25/08/16 19:38, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> Le 25/08/2016 à 02:18, Luke Yelavich a écrit :
>> The server version does not ship with any graphical user interface of
>> any kind. You will have to work out a way to set up ssh and connect
>> to the virtual machine remotely to work on it. 
> Dear Luke
>
> What is your plan for speech integration in Ubuntu Server ?
> I will be very happy if you could write a tutorial for helping us to
> install Ubuntu Server.
>
> Best regards.
>
> -- 
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> Visual-Impairment Project Manager
> Hypra - "Humanizing technology"
>
>
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>
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Re: making an ISO image

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,

mount -a reads your /etc/fstab file.

If sda2 is in that file and has the location as /mnt yes it would work.

But it is unlikely.


So that is why you need to specify the partition, being /dev/sda2 and
the mount point which is /mnt

mount /dev/sda2 /mnt

 

Good luck

Rob



On 07/08/16 10:28, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
> Okay, I'll try that, but I did do:
> mount -a
> assuming that would get it, but I'm not that good at some of this.
> Thanks.
> Glenn
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Rob Whyte <mailto:fu...@thefudge.net>
> *To:* Glenn / Lenny <mailto:ger...@cableone.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 6:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: making an ISO image
>
> ,
>
> Hi,
> that is because you didn't mount sda2.
> So try again but first,
> mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
>
> On 07/08/16 09:52, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>> One thing did not work, and that may be why the chroot /mnt does
>> not work...
>> The command mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc
>> gives me the message:
>> mount point /proc does not exist
>> and when I run chroot /mnt
>> failed to run /bin/bash, no such file exists.
>> I am logged in as root, that is why I did not write sudo.
>> Thanks, I hope I can get the GRUB fixed up.
>> Glenn
>> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 07:34:29 +1000
>> From: Rob Whyte > 
>> mailto:fu...@thefudge.net>>
>> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> 
>> mailto:ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Subject: Re: {Spam?} making an ISO image
>> Message-ID: > 
>> mailto:ecf1818c-7a42-ad90-44b7-dccf00944...@thefudge.net>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> What have ou tried when fixing your old install on sda2.
>>
>> That should be recoverable quite easily.
>>
>>
>> You need to mount the /dev from your currently running Ubuntu to the
>> mounted partition.
>>
>> For example
>>
>> mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
>>
>> Assuming that sda2 is mounted to /mnt
>>
>>
>> Repeat that for sys and proc
>>
>> mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys
>>
>> mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc
>>
>>
>> Then change the root file system using the chroot command
>>
>> chroot /mnt
>>
>> Now your computer thinks you are actually using sda2 instead of
>> your USB.
>>
>> If you want to install your boot loaded from sda2 to your hard drive
>> type this:
>>
>> grub-install /dev/sda
>>
>> update-grub
>>
>> thene xit the chroot
>>
>> exit
>>
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/08/16 07:24, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
>> > So how do I tell it where to write the image of the USB drive?
>>
>>
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Re: {Spam?} making an ISO image

[Rob Whyte]

What have ou tried when fixing your old install on sda2.

That should be recoverable quite easily.


You need to mount the /dev from your currently running Ubuntu to the
mounted partition.

For example

mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev

Assuming that sda2 is mounted to /mnt


Repeat that for sys and proc

mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys

mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc


Then change the root file system using the chroot command

chroot /mnt

Now your computer thinks you are actually using sda2 instead of your USB.

If you want to install your boot loaded from sda2 to your hard drive
type this:

grub-install /dev/sda

update-grub

thene xit the chroot

exit


Good luck.



On 07/08/16 07:24, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
> So how do I tell it where to write the image of the USB drive?
> There are no pull-down menus and the applications key does nothing.
>
> Thanks.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Milton" 
> To: "Glenn / Lenny" ; 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: {Spam?} making an ISO image
>
>
> Indeed, the entire usb-drive is selected.
> Milton
>
> Op 06-08-16 om 21:17 schreef Glenn / Lenny:
>> Hi Milton,
>> With that command, it brings up the program, and I can select the USB 
>> drive
>> in question, but the only options are other..., which seems to be for 
>> adding
>> more file types, and the other option is to close.
>> I don't find an option for file name to write to, or a browse to where I
>> want to put it.
>> Thanks.
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Milton" 
>> To: "Glenn / Lenny" ;
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: {Spam?} making an ISO image
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Maybe this will be of help:
>> in Ubuntu 16.04 I type in a terminal after the flash drive is inserted:
>> usb-creator-gtk
>>
>> Milton
>>
>> Op 06-08-16 om 19:01 schreef Glenn / Lenny:
>>> Hi,
>>> I have been trying several different programs including the DD command,
>>> and either the program seems inaccessible with Orca, or I was not able
>>> to place my image to be, into another drive.
>>> I am running Ubuntu from a live version on an 8GB card.
>>> I have a bootable USB 16GB thumb drive that I want to make into an ISO
>>> image on /dev/sda2.
>>> /dev/sda2 is where my old Ubuntu lives, and I cannot boot to, as grub
>>> got messed up, and I just fixed the MBR so I could at least boot into
>>> Windows on that system.
>>> On a side note, I tried fixing GRUB with no luck, so I will just get a
>>> larger drive and reinstall everything, and copy out  files from that
>>> drive when I replace it.
>>> In the meantime, if I do get GRUB working again, this making an ISO
>>> image would be easier, because in one program I was using, it would only
>>> allow me to make an ISO of the USB drive into a directory of this live
>>> boot disk, which is only 8GB.
>>> The boot disk I am wanting to make a copy of is /dev/sdb
>>> So with DD, I tried:
>>> sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda2/home/Downloads
>>> And I even tried it directly into /dev/sda2
>>> and I tried all commands with giving the ISO a file name at the end,
>>> like /dev/sda2/usb-image.iso
>>> I tried it with acetoneiso and it gave me the same errors as DD did.
>>> I tried k3b and genisoimage, and a couple others.
>>> I would even write it to a folder on /sda1 if possible, which is an NTFS
>>> partition.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any ideas.
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Orca does not speak

[Rob Whyte]

Why not rm -rf ~/.local/share/orca and try again before messing with Pulse.

Pulse is designed to just work and it sounds like it is doing just that.

You could rm -rf ~/.pulse as well if you wanted.

Are you starting speech in consoles before any of this takes place
subsequently?


Rob



On 06/08/16 12:41, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
> Hi Jude,
> Interesting...
> How might I do this at a CLI with no speech?
> If the commands are not too lengthy, I might succeed.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "Glenn / Lenny" ; 
> 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak
>
>
> Very probably a pulseaudio problem.  Another list I read had a person
> downgrade pulseaudio and all associated utilities and that's how he got
> orca working again.  That was on the sonargnulinux e-mail list too.
>
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 21:33:51
>> From: Glenn / Lenny 
>> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Orca does not speak
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am using Ubuntu 16.04 64 on an Intel NUC PPYH with 8GB of RAM.
>> I have run Ubuntu on this 15.1064 bit  already, so this should work.
>> I ran Orca on start up, and set up the voice like I usually do, but on 
>> okaying it, Orca shuts down, it says:
>> screenreader off
>> So I log out, and get the bongo sound, and bring up Orca in the log in 
>> window, and Orca stays on.
>> This is a live version on an SD card with a persistent file.
>> I have noticed, that when I log out, before the bongo sound, Orca says:
>> screenreader off
>> Then Orca comes on again for the log in window, and stays on.
>> When I log back in, there is no speech.
>> But that would indicate that Orca is working, but silent.
>> Is there a way I can make Orca louder?
>> If I do:
>> control + alt + T
>> and then type:
>> sudo speaker-test -c 2
>> I get the speaker test
>> and I end it with control + C
>> So I know that my system is not muted and the volume is okay when I log 
>> in.
>> I wonder if there is a problem with eSpeak?
>> One difference I did between the speech settings in the log in window, and 
>> when I was in the desktop, was that I selected U.S. English in the synth 
>> list, instead of the standard English, which I left alone for the log-in 
>> window.
>> Could this be a problem for eSpeak?
>> If I need to change that back, can someone send me the number of tabs to 
>> get to the voice selection list?
>> Or is there a command to setting Orca to its defaults?
>>
>> I sent this problem to the Orca list, but have heard nothing there.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>


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Re: gnome shell versus mate

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
surprised you have not found it.
Modifier space, so insert or caps lock space to bring up Orca options.
Move to the fifth tab.
You start out on the tabs so arrow across until you hear Braille then
tab for the options.
Or push control page down to move through the tabs.
cheers


On 02/04/16 11:09, Don Raikes wrote:
> Rob,
>
> The classicmenu-indicator does work nicely.
>
> I have one other question.  I use a Braille display with orca, but can't find 
> the orca preferences to enable Braille support in orca.
>
> Do you know of a quick way to access the orca preferences window?
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] 
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 2:45 PM
> To: ubuntu-accessibility
> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
>
> Yes if your distro is Ubuntu based it is in the apt archives.
> Would enjoy chatting with you on IRC sometime about your project.
> cheers
> Rob
>
>
> On 02/04/16 08:30, Don Raikes wrote:
>> Hi rob,
>>
>> I haven't ever heard of it can I get it from apt?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] 
>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 2:26 PM
>> To: ubuntu-accessibility
>> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
>>
>> Have you tried installing classicmenu-indicator?
>>
>> On 02/04/16 08:18, Don Raikes wrote:
>>> I am just used to the old menu-driven approach and whenever I try to do 
>>> something I can't find it in gnome.
>>>
>>> I am working on a security-based debian derivative named kalilinux, and I 
>>> don't know all the tools so it would be helpful to have the menus to guide 
>>> me into knowing the various tools and their general functions.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] 
>>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:43 PM
>>> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> What frustrates you about Gnome Don?
>>> cheers
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/04/16 03:30, Don Raikes wrote:
>>>> I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go 
>>>> back to mate.
>>>> I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing 
>>>> it in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound 
>>>> working on it at all.
>>>>
>>>> I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but 
>>>> nothing seems to work.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekin...@gmail.com] 
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM
>>>> To: Daniel Crone; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>>>> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
>>>>
>>>> hi
>>>> Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, 
>>>> but i'll give it a shot. Hear goes.
>>>> Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different 
>>>> applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It 
>>>> requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so.
>>>>
>>>> As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change.
>>>> This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go 
>>>> looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a 
>>>> lot of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this 
>>>> stuff was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme 
>>>> than the default except by using gsettings.
>>>>
>>>> You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the 
>>>> gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly 
>>>> depends on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on 
>>>> resources, which won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome 
>>>> doesn't run well on. On the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with 
>>>> orca, sometimes getting stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel 
>>>> to fix things.
>>>>
>>>> Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being 
>>>> able to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being 
>>>> worked on right now and should be fixed short

Re: gnome shell versus mate

[Rob Whyte]

Yes if your distro is Ubuntu based it is in the apt archives.
Would enjoy chatting with you on IRC sometime about your project.
cheers
Rob


On 02/04/16 08:30, Don Raikes wrote:
> Hi rob,
>
> I haven't ever heard of it can I get it from apt?
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] 
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 2:26 PM
> To: ubuntu-accessibility
> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
>
> Have you tried installing classicmenu-indicator?
>
> On 02/04/16 08:18, Don Raikes wrote:
>> I am just used to the old menu-driven approach and whenever I try to do 
>> something I can't find it in gnome.
>>
>> I am working on a security-based debian derivative named kalilinux, and I 
>> don't know all the tools so it would be helpful to have the menus to guide 
>> me into knowing the various tools and their general functions.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] 
>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:43 PM
>> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
>>
>> Hi,
>> What frustrates you about Gnome Don?
>> cheers
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> On 02/04/16 03:30, Don Raikes wrote:
>>> I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go back 
>>> to mate.
>>> I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing it 
>>> in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound 
>>> working on it at all.
>>>
>>> I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but 
>>> nothing seems to work.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekin...@gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM
>>> To: Daniel Crone; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
>>>
>>> hi
>>> Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, 
>>> but i'll give it a shot. Hear goes.
>>> Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different 
>>> applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It 
>>> requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so.
>>>
>>> As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change.
>>> This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go 
>>> looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a 
>>> lot of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this 
>>> stuff was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme 
>>> than the default except by using gsettings.
>>>
>>> You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the 
>>> gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly depends 
>>> on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on resources, which 
>>> won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome doesn't run well on. On 
>>> the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with orca, sometimes getting 
>>> stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel to fix things.
>>>
>>> Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being able 
>>> to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being worked on 
>>> right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu system, with 
>>> apps organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. You can't 
>>> search for apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to use the 
>>> menus or add them to the desktop.
>>>
>>> You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I 
>>> can't tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different 
>>> people. But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of 
>>> power or memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a 
>>> lot of the more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in 
>>> the end.
>>> Thanks
>>> Kendell Clark
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel Crone wrote:
>>>> Hello.  I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or 
>>>> vice versa.
>>>> What do you think?
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Re: gnome shell versus mate

[Rob Whyte]

Have you tried installing classicmenu-indicator?

On 02/04/16 08:18, Don Raikes wrote:
> I am just used to the old menu-driven approach and whenever I try to do 
> something I can't find it in gnome.
>
> I am working on a security-based debian derivative named kalilinux, and I 
> don't know all the tools so it would be helpful to have the menus to guide me 
> into knowing the various tools and their general functions.
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] 
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:43 PM
> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
>
> Hi,
> What frustrates you about Gnome Don?
> cheers
> Rob
>
>
> On 02/04/16 03:30, Don Raikes wrote:
>> I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go back 
>> to mate.
>> I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing it 
>> in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound 
>> working on it at all.
>>
>> I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but 
>> nothing seems to work.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekin...@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM
>> To: Daniel Crone; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
>>
>> hi
>> Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, but 
>> i'll give it a shot. Hear goes.
>> Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different 
>> applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It 
>> requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so.
>>
>> As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change.
>> This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go 
>> looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a lot 
>> of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this stuff 
>> was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme than 
>> the default except by using gsettings.
>>
>> You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the 
>> gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly depends 
>> on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on resources, which 
>> won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome doesn't run well on. On 
>> the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with orca, sometimes getting 
>> stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel to fix things.
>>
>> Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being able 
>> to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being worked on 
>> right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu system, with 
>> apps organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. You can't 
>> search for apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to use the 
>> menus or add them to the desktop.
>>
>> You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I 
>> can't tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different 
>> people. But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of 
>> power or memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a 
>> lot of the more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in 
>> the end.
>> Thanks
>> Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>> Daniel Crone wrote:
>>> Hello.  I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or vice 
>>> versa.
>>> What do you think?
>> --
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>> Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
>>
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Re: gnome shell versus mate

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
What frustrates you about Gnome Don?
cheers
Rob


On 02/04/16 03:30, Don Raikes wrote:
> I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go back 
> to mate.
> I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing it 
> in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound 
> working on it at all.
>
> I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but 
> nothing seems to work.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekin...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM
> To: Daniel Crone; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
>
> hi
> Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, but 
> i'll give it a shot. Hear goes.
> Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different 
> applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It 
> requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so.
>
> As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change.
> This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go 
> looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a lot 
> of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this stuff was 
> removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme than the 
> default except by using gsettings.
>
> You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the gui 
> is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly depends on 
> what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on resources, which 
> won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome doesn't run well on. On 
> the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with orca, sometimes getting 
> stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel to fix things.
>
> Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being able 
> to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being worked on 
> right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu system, with apps 
> organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. You can't search for 
> apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to use the menus or add 
> them to the desktop.
>
> You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I can't 
> tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different people. 
> But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of power or 
> memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a lot of the 
> more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in the end.
> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
>
>
> Daniel Crone wrote:
>> Hello.  I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or vice 
>> versa.
>> What do you think?
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Re: accessibility profiles, what is it and how it works?

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Hi,
thanks for the detailed explanation.
Look forward to the wiki article.
cheers


On 30/03/16 16:03, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 09:31:46PM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote:
>> Hi,
>> after today's update, when I press alt f10 key, I get accessibility
>> profiles menu. I am using Orca normally, but no profile was selected.
>> I changed it to screen reader witch speech. What changet? I am using
>> Ubuntu daily, to install the Ubuntu, I used live dvd from 10th March.
> Accessibility profiles are a way to facilitate the configuration of the
> Ubuntu desktop for people with disabilities. An accessibility profile
> contains settings that improve the usage of the desktop environment for
> particular assistive technologies.
>
> Accessibility profiles have been around for many years now, I think as early
> as Ubuntu 8.04, if not earlier, however until now, they have not been as easy
> to work with. For one, they were only available in the live session or the
> installer, and for another, they were not available post install, and were
> hard coded in a shell script, that was only present in the live environment.
>
> As of Ubuntu 16.04, the accessibility profile system has been much
> improved. The profiles are available on the live session, and during
> installation, and also available post install. So for example, you can now
> create a new user, log into that user, and enable a particular accessibility
> profile for them, without having to manually tweak a bunch of settings.
>
> What you are seeing is the new accessibility profiles indicator. By default,
> the indicator is enabled when any accessibility profile is enabled,
> to allow the switching between profiles if the user so desires. The
> indicator can be turned off from the universal access control panel,
> under the accessibility profiles tab.
>
> One other advantage of the new accessibility profile system is you can now
> create your own profiles, and they will appear in the indicator alongside
> other profiles. The profile system allows for any gsettings key to be
> changed when a profile is enabled. Creating a profile is not yet documented,
> and thats something I have to work on, and it will likely be put on the
> Ubuntu wiki under the accessibility section.
>
> Unfortunately due to time constraints, I was not able to implement this
> support for all Gtk/GNOME based flavours of Ubuntu. Doing so would require
> adding UI to the various desktop environments to allow the profiles
> indicator or equivalent to be enabled/disabled. I would also have to
> code extra modules to properly support GNOME shell, and Mate's own panel
> applet system. Once this work is done however, the design is such that it
> would then be possible for profiles to contain settings specifically for a
> particular desktop environment, so you could have settings for mate that
> would be applied when the profile is enabled, and those settings would
> not be enabled under Unity or GNOME shell.
>
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Re: Installing Ubuntu without GRUB

[Rob Whyte]

I have not heard of a bios offering to boot partitions, only drives.
What is the motherboard or bios you are using?
You could re-install your windows boot loader and try to get that to
boot your Linux OS instead of it is that important to you.
Can you see any of the available options though, windows boot loader,
Grub or the Bios boot option menu?
thanks
Rob


On 11/01/16 13:41, blind Pete wrote:
> Brendan Perrine wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:46:51 -0600
>> "Glenn / Lenny"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Again,
>>> I have been researching this concern, and it seems to me that I came up
>>> with an idea that might work. I just don't recall the installation steps
>>> to know for sure if I will get my option to do this step. I suspect that
>>> my Windows partition is going to be /dev/sda1 and the empty partition
>>> will be /dev/sda2. Do we get the option of which partition to put GRUB
>>> onto? If so, I suspect that if I can put GRUB onto the Linux partition,
>>> that I will only be presented with GRUB when I down arrow to the second
>>> partition that my BIOS offers, and having GRUB there is no big deal. Any
>>> thoughts? Glenn
>> This may limit your options if say you forget your administrative
>> passwords as many guides suggest using grub to boot into rescue mode for
>> that for example
>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
> Bootable USB drives and DVDs will allow you to get at your main 
> installation if necessary, as long as you have not encrypted it.  
> If you have done that then you don't need my help.  
>
>
>> Grub also allows you to boot to sometimes an older kernel. I don't know if
>> your bios has this fucntionality.
>>
>> IF you are using the desktop installer you if you select something else in
>> the installation process it will allow to chose where to install grub as
>> well as many more advanced options. However you may need to know more
>> about filesystems as some like xfs or btrfs are not likely to have been
>> tested by the people who wrote your bios.  I would likely try to stay with
>> ext4 filesystem for doing this. As some other will likely be not tested
>> and could posibly have problems.


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Vinux 5.0 released

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= The Vinux team is pleased to announce the availability of
the Vinux 5.0 desktop image. =
 
This release features not just the Unity Desktop, but Gnome-shell and
the ever popular Gnome 2 fork called Mate, though we primarily will
support Unity only.

Remember we recommend that when possible users perform updates on a
regular basis. This will enable the Vinux team to update packages, and
introduce new features.
Vinux 5.0 is based upon Ubuntu Trusty Tahr 14.0.4.3 LTS.

= Some of the highlights in Vinux 5.0 =
 
New re-designed Vinux boot logo.
Up to date accessibility infrastructure.
Current Gnome-Orca and accessibility framework.
Improvements with Nautilus file manager when processing large folders.

= Known bugs =
 
We are unable to include the Vinux 4.0 console speech changes due to
Vinux 5.0 not using consolekit any longer, please see
http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/speechd-up for more information.
To use speechd-up log in to your desktop session and run sudo speechd-up
from a gnome-terminal or add a startup item to do it automatically upon
login.

There seems to be a bug in the console if you use speakup-tools to save
local speakup settings.
How ever as a work around you can still gain access using sudo or root.

 
= Software =

Firefox 41
Thunderbird 38.3
Unity 7.2.4
Gnome-shell 3.10.4
Mate 1.8
LibreOffice 4.2.8
 Gnome-orca 3.18.1
Espeak 1.48
Brltty 5.2
Speech-dispatcher 0.8.3
Evince 3.12.2
Liblouis 2.6.2
Clam av 0.98.7
Kernel 3.19
 
= Availability =
 
Vinux 5.0 is available in the AMD64 and i386 architectures
  They contain everything necessary to install the Vinux operating
system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at vision impaired
users.
This should be all you need if you can burn and use DVD sized media.
 Vinux 5.0 can be installed from optical media or from a USB pen drive.
The required files can be downloaded via HTTP as entailed below.
 
= Support =
 
This is a long term support release, the Vinux development team
encourages users to download and install Vinux 5.0
 We are unable to commit to a support date due to lacking development
resources.

= Contacting US =

Our mailing list has a supportive community on Google groups at
http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support or you can subscribe by
sending an email to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com
Follow us on Twitter @vinuxnews.
We are on Facebook
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= Acknowledgements =
 
  * Rob Whyte,  Vinux project manager.
  * Luke Yelavich. Development team leader.
  * Bill Taylor. Testing team leader.
  * Karen Searle for proofreading and editing our documentation, website
and wiki. Also for designing our new logo.
  * The Vinux team would also like to thank Christopher Chaltain, Burt
Henry, Peter Tesar and members of the Vinux mailing lists for their
ongoing support.

= MD5 Checksums: =
 
* vinux-5.0-amd64.iso e94ef69b512c3ff57aa0210b1444f7e6
* vinux-5.0-i386.isoca44281622246336ecdf9842f62383e5
 
= Downloading Vinux =
 
Vinux has chosen Source forge for our preferred downloads.
This way users can gain fast access to over 17 mirrors and give us
feedback to user statistics.

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Thank you for supporting the Vinux project.
 
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Re: orca and firefox

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
yes you will find the crashes are due to Voxin.
sudo killall -9 speech-dispatcher will get you along your way quickly.

Thanks
Rob


On 20/08/15 06:07, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi.
> Version 0.8.3 is the current version.
>
> I suspect that this problem is related to voxin, although I can not
> confirm.
> Can you try to use espeak instead voxin as a test?
>
> On 08/19/2015 04:45 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:
>>
>> Could you guys confirm the version of speech dispatcher that you are
>> using?
>>
>> Orca stoped talking to me twice in a period of less than a hour and
>> just returned when I killed speech dispatcher and restarted everything.
>>
>> I assume that this is speech dispatcher's fault, as I had the same
>> problem with chromevox when running it with speech dispatcher.
>> On 19/08/2015 16:06, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>> Hi Lucas.
>>> In my opinion 3.16 is better but I am not sure if it is possible to
>>> build in ubuntu 14.04.
>>>
>>> A while back I posted a message in the linux-accessivel list with
>>> instructions on how to build orca from git.
>>>
>>> On 08/19/2015 02:14 PM, Lucas Radaelli wrote:
 Folks,

 Just wanted to say that I gave orca and firefox another try and the
 experience seems to be much better than i was used to! this is
 awesome.

 I am running 14.04.

 Just to make sure that I got the best that is available, could you
 confirm to me which is the orca version that I should be running
 and which firefox version?

 I am also running orca with speech dispatcher + voxin and the
 experience is very close to what we get on windows with NVDA.


>>>
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Re: ubuntu server

[Rob Whyte]

Chad,
I suggest you stick to trying one thing at a time so you don't get out
of your depth.
A server typically does not have a graphical environment running on it,
this is called a GUI.
Orca runs in a GUI.
You can get console speech as Bert mentioned easily enough in Ubuntu
Server with a few quick instructions.
Most people are happy to run a talking Vinux system as a server idle if
that is your choice.

Thanks
Rob

On 14/08/14 03:42, chad baker wrote:
> hi i just grabbed ubuntu server 14.04 and orca isn’t on it
> i tried ctrl plus s with no luck
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Re: will the Dash be accessible for Orca in Trusty?

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
I believe there is a race condition preventing Orca from reading this
reliably.
A bit of playing with the flat review will sometimes get it accessible.
I am aware that Luke has been trying to track the problem down but not
sure if there has been any progress.
Is Luke the only one working on accessibility on this mailing list?

Thanks
Rob


On 11/08/14 22:16, Milton wrote:
> I'm helping sighted people with using Ubuntu and Unity so it will be
> of great help if the Dash is accessible with Orca for me. for the
> record, I'm using speech only.
> Milton
>
> Op 11-08-14 om 10:55 schreef Krishnakant Mane:
>> Making dash accessible should not be a hard work if it is not done so
>> far.
>> Happy hacking.
>> Krishnakant.
>> On Monday 11 August 2014 02:24 PM, Milton wrote:
>>> Hi developers,
>>> Can you tell me if the Dash will be accessible with Orca in Trusty in
>>> the near future? It is good to know if this will hapen or maybe for
>>> the next LTS version? Thanks for your hard work.
>>> Milton
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Trouble finding drives in Ubuntu-Gnome

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
in Nautilus files when in your home folder shift tab a couple of times
to the bookmarks, computer and available file systems.
Hope that is helpful, otherwise there is a gnome extension called 
removal drives which is pretty good.

Cheers
Rob Whyte

On 13/05/14 12:33, Lenny wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am running Ubuntu Gnome live 14.04, and I am trying to display computer, 
> so I can copy a folder from /dev/sda1.
>
> I went into terminal and ran:
>
> Sudo mount -a
>
> And this does not help.
>
> I am having difficulty finding "places" or "computer".
>
> I searched for both gnome and unity keyboard shortcuts, but nothing there 
> displays drives.
>
> I did find files, and when I go into that, it shows my home folder, and I 
> tried a backspace, to backup into drives, and nothing was there.
>
> I looked in / and looked in mnt and media and no luck there either.
>
> Hopefully someone can help finding drives.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Glenn
>
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Chad,Re: ubuntu 14.04 question

[Rob Whyte]

Chad,
I believe I already mentioned Super ALT S to toggle speech on and off.
The Super key is also known as the Windows key.

Rob


   
On 18/04/14 13:54, chad baker wrote:
> hi rob question i got speech through the whole install but when it asked me 
> to restart i have no speech at all
> is there any key strokes i need to do
> having trouble
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Re: ubuntu 14.04 question

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
Super ALT S, the Super key is also known as the Windows key.
This is the keybind to toggle the screen reader.

If you still have no sound, ask for assistance checking your volume status.

Thanks
Rob

,
,

On 18/04/14 13:54, chad baker wrote:
> hi rob question i got speech through the whole install but when it asked me 
> to restart i have no speech at all
> is there any key strokes i need to do
> having trouble
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Re: trouble with 14.04

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
Yes, Unity is Unity 3d since Unity 2D was dropped.
It is well worth taking for a spin.

Super ALT S has replaced the once Control S to enable the accessibility
profile.
The stack already runs by defautl so you do not need to logout for
things to work.

Rob


On 18/04/14 14:42, Krishnakant Mane wrote:
> Is the Unity 3d also accessible?
> Happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
> On 04/18/2014 05:23 AM, Rob Whyte wrote:
>> Hi Chad,
>> It is accessible.
>> Are you aware that super alt S starts Orca at the Lightdm login screen?
>> I do not think that the drum sound defaults to being enabled.
>> There has been quite a lot of bug fixing worked on for accessibility.
>> I hope once you get your system up and running you find the overall
>> experience a good one.
>>
>> Good luck
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> On 18/04/14 07:29, chad baker wrote:
>>> hi i just grabbed 14.04
>>> it restarted after the installation and not getting orca or the
>>> login drum
>>> also during the installation orca red no contents of what was being
>>> installed
>>> i’m guessing its not accessible
>>> thanks
>>
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Re: trouble with 14.04

[Rob Whyte]

Is it possible you heard LVM?
Logical volume management I think it stands for.
it is a different way to manage your partitions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_volume_management

LVM is not related to accessibility.

Thanks
Rob

On 18/04/14 13:11, chad baker wrote:
> hi i know during the installation it said use Ldm the box was unchecked i 
> didn’t check it
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Rob Whyte  wrote:
>
>> Hi Chad,
>> If by ldm you mean Lightdm, it may pay if you can give some more
>> information or correct me if I have assuemd something different.
>> Lightdm is the default desktop manager and unless you chose during your
>> user setup to be automatically logged in that is what should greet you.
>>
>> It would be a good idea if there were a Wiki that reflected
>> accessibility differences or cahnges between each Ubuntu release.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rob
>>
>> On 18/04/14 12:59, chad baker wrote:
>>> i know during the installation i didn’t enable LDM should i have
>>> i’m new to 14.04
>>> i’ll give it a try again
>>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Rob Whyte  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Chad,
>>>> It is accessible.
>>>> Are you aware that super alt S starts Orca at the Lightdm login screen?
>>>> I do not think that the drum sound defaults to being enabled.
>>>> There has been quite a lot of bug fixing worked on for accessibility.
>>>> I hope once you get your system up and running you find the overall
>>>> experience a good one.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18/04/14 07:29, chad baker wrote:
>>>>> hi i just grabbed 14.04
>>>>> it restarted after the installation and not getting orca or the login drum
>>>>> also during the installation orca red no contents of what was being 
>>>>> installed
>>>>> i’m guessing its not accessible
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Re: trouble with 14.04

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Hi Chad,
If by ldm you mean Lightdm, it may pay if you can give some more
information or correct me if I have assuemd something different.
Lightdm is the default desktop manager and unless you chose during your
user setup to be automatically logged in that is what should greet you.

It would be a good idea if there were a Wiki that reflected
accessibility differences or cahnges between each Ubuntu release.

Thanks
Rob

On 18/04/14 12:59, chad baker wrote:
> i know during the installation i didn’t enable LDM should i have
> i’m new to 14.04
> i’ll give it a try again
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Rob Whyte  wrote:
>
>> Hi Chad,
>> It is accessible.
>> Are you aware that super alt S starts Orca at the Lightdm login screen?
>> I do not think that the drum sound defaults to being enabled.
>> There has been quite a lot of bug fixing worked on for accessibility.
>> I hope once you get your system up and running you find the overall
>> experience a good one.
>>
>> Good luck
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> On 18/04/14 07:29, chad baker wrote:
>>> hi i just grabbed 14.04
>>> it restarted after the installation and not getting orca or the login drum
>>> also during the installation orca red no contents of what was being 
>>> installed
>>> i’m guessing its not accessible
>>> thanks
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Re: trouble with 14.04

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Hi,
The Super ALT S is a global keybind for Lightdm Unity or the Gnome variants.
The bug fixes were mainly targetted at the Unity interface, Gnome is
quite polished already.
There are expected differences but with some Googling or maybe wiki
sharing over this list or a wiki usually it is common to be able to
restore an expected function.

Thanks
Rob


On 18/04/14 10:26, Robert Cole wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Is this in context of the Unity version of the GNOME version of
> Ubuntu? I downloaded the Unity ISOs this afternoon, but I have not
> gotten to work with them yet in a working environment.
>
> On 04/17/2014 04:53 PM, Rob Whyte wrote:
>> Hi Chad,
>> It is accessible.
>> Are you aware that super alt S starts Orca at the Lightdm login screen?
>> I do not think that the drum sound defaults to being enabled.
>> There has been quite a lot of bug fixing worked on for accessibility.
>> I hope once you get your system up and running you find the overall
>> experience a good one.
>>
>> Good luck
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> On 18/04/14 07:29, chad baker wrote:
>>> hi i just grabbed 14.04
>>> it restarted after the installation and not getting orca or the
>>> login drum
>>> also during the installation orca red no contents of what was being
>>> installed
>>> i’m guessing its not accessible
>>> thanks
>>
>
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Re: trouble with 14.04

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Hi Chad,
It is accessible.
Are you aware that super alt S starts Orca at the Lightdm login screen?
I do not think that the drum sound defaults to being enabled.
There has been quite a lot of bug fixing worked on for accessibility.
I hope once you get your system up and running you find the overall
experience a good one.

Good luck
Rob


On 18/04/14 07:29, chad baker wrote:
> hi i just grabbed 14.04
> it restarted after the installation and not getting orca or the login drum
> also during the installation orca red no contents of what was being installed
> i’m guessing its not accessible
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Re: Vinux Keyboard commands

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Hi Glen,

Please take a look and explore of the Vinux wiki.
http://wiki.vinuxproject.org
As the Vinux community have worked hard to make sure there is lots of
goodies there that would be the first place to start.
Specifically here for getting used to Unity.
http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/unit <http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/unity>

Good luck
Rob Whyte
y <http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/unity>
On 01/04/14 16:01, Lenny wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been searching to find a list of keyboard commands for Vinux.
> This Ubuntu, 12.04, is challenging, and the old menu ways don't work much.
> Can someone send me a list of Vinux, or otherwise, Ubuntu 12.04 keyboard 
> shortcuts?
> I am sure that there are some specific to Vinux, but either set would help a 
> lot.
> Thanks.
>
> Glenn 
>
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Re: ubuntu 14.04 and firefox accessibility

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Hi,

I performed updates last night and it was resolved.
Have you updated your system?

Rob

On 05/03/14 07:22, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
> Well I'm running 14.04 and the problem is not solved on my install. I
> also found the command that I thought I needed to run and it was this
> command
>
> gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true
>
> This did not fix the issue. i'm sure it is something simple I just don't
> know what the problem could be. Thanks for your time and help.
>
>
>On 03/04/2014 02:59 PM, Rob Whyte wrote:
>> H,
>> the problem has been resolved and pretty sure was to do with gtk support
>> with Orca.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On 05/03/14 00:43, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
>>> Hello list,
>>>
>>> I know 14.04 is still in beta but I installed it and found this problem.
>>> Everything seems to work fine but the only problem is that firefox isn't
>>> accessible with Orca. once I open firefox Orca stops speaking. Orca
>>> works on the desktop and with other applications but not Firefox. This
>>> problem happened quite a few releases ago and I'm assuming this is the
>>> same problem. i can't remember the command that fixed it it was
>>> something to do with gconftool-2 I think. If this is the problem can
>>> someone remind me what that command was? Thanks for your time and help.
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Re: ubuntu 14.04 and firefox accessibility

[Rob Whyte]

H,
the problem has been resolved and pretty sure was to do with gtk support
with Orca.

Rob

On 05/03/14 00:43, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> I know 14.04 is still in beta but I installed it and found this problem.
> Everything seems to work fine but the only problem is that firefox isn't
> accessible with Orca. once I open firefox Orca stops speaking. Orca
> works on the desktop and with other applications but not Firefox. This
> problem happened quite a few releases ago and I'm assuming this is the
> same problem. i can't remember the command that fixed it it was
> something to do with gconftool-2 I think. If this is the problem can
> someone remind me what that command was? Thanks for your time and help.
>


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Re: Can't log back in on XpLike Ubuntu

[Rob Whyte]

 Glen,
you might try switch to a console:
Control, Alt + F1
type:
sudo restart gdm
Hopefully that will restart the login manager which should be set to
automatically log in.
If that fails, when Orca asks you to log out and back in, try pushing:
Control, Alt + Backspace
Hopefully that will restart the X server and again, log you back in
automatically.
If you do not hear Orca straight away press:
Alt F2
and type in
orca

Are you aware that is quite an old image now and there are other blind
friendly options out there like Vinux, www.vinuxproject.org
Good luck
Rob Whyte
On 20/01/14 13:41, magpie wrote:
> Hi Glen,
>
> CC'ing Joanie (the Orca developer) as she will most likely have some
> useful advice. Unfortunately I cannot tell you too much about orca or
> why the problem might have happened, but I believe I can offer a few
> suggestions on how you can fix it so you are able to log back into
> your computer again. It very possible to reset your account password
> and even su as you boot it up.
>
> The first thing I would normally do is try using a 'live' usb or CD to
> boot from (you may need to change the boot priority in the bios first
> for that though) so you can back up your files and wipe over the
> installation fresh but not sure this is helpful since you seemed keen
> to keep your orca configuration as you had it so this actually might
> be a last resort here, I guess.
>
> The alternative way is via using the terminal. I do know whether you
> are able to use text to speech using the command line at all and I am
> reluctant to go into detail without having had a chance to double
> check the steps myself first in case I forget something important in
> the process so I sought a document  which suggests you may be able to
> use espeak to read terminal commands the link is
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TextToSpeech (in case you can access
> webpages on another device)Can you advise on the status of the issue
> and the options available to you at present
>
> For now, I am going give you only a rough outline but first note: You
> should be able to press  F4 from the login page to get to a
> terminal prompt but this is likely to want your password too so
> failing that this is an outline of what you could try ie. a general
> (not yet checked through) my rough guide is this:
>
> *Rough Guide*
>
> 1. Boot up and when the screen go to grub, press 'e' at the kernel
>
> 2. Navigate to where it says something like linuxefi (a bunch of
> numbers miscellaneous characters like vconsole and ro,) then before
> where a new line starts with something like initd (or similar sounding
> anyway) at the last line of the linux_efi setting there it will
> usually say something like 'quiet splash' you want to add something to
> the end of this line before the newline which says something like
> 'initrd' (IMPORTANT) if you are on that line you went too far: you
> need to place your edit only the end of the line just before
> 'initrd'). (These changes will be over written at the following boot
> so do not worry about trying things out with 'e' grub edits at all)
>
> 3. When you find that last character of the lines which follow on
> after linux (and before initrd!!! :-) )
>
> 4. Type the following:
>
> init 3
>
> 5. Press F10 to boot into a command prompt.
>
> 4. Sometimes this does not help. In that case try step 4 like this
> instead:
>
> rw init=/bin/bash
>
> (Aside The 'rw' is important because it will give you write access (as
> well as read) which is what you need( but if you forget it you can
> unmount and remount from the prompt too). You can apply something like
> this with any login shell like csh (or even python) too)
>
> 5. Then press F10 to boot into command as before.
>
>
> 6. From there you can set the root passwd using the following command
>
> passwd user
>
> (e.g. 'passwd magpie' would be mine)
>
> You should receive a prompt to enter a password in.
>
> 7. If still having trouble create a new user account
>
> useradd my_new_user
>
> Then repeat 6. for that user.
>
> 7. When all that works out as planned, type the following command to
> launch the graphical session
>
> startx
>
> hopefully this will bring up the login screen o you can sign in.
>
> If things work out please check or post the logs from /var/logs/ to
> see what they tell you about the orca crash.) and file with a bug
> report on http://bugzilla.gnome.org. I can file a bug against the
> issue you raise about not being able to back up or save your settings
> if it would be of benefit to have that facility  it seems that might
> be part of the problem you are facing here bu

Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
I think this thread can be closed now.
It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point.

If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be
preferable.

Kind regards
Rob Whyte   
On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list
> have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any
> more, and never have,  about the plans for Unity accessibility than
> anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu
> accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC
> channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This
> is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS
> releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an
> easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the
> plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I
> assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal.
>
> I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks
> out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one
> person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates
> something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I
> don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers,
> applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience.
>
> The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus
> accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers".
> Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as
> snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with
> what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the
> developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I
> can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and
> this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the
> matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the
> precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as
> simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no
> discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you
> think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that
> people reading your message  understand that the accessibility
> developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely
> honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to
> defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving
> from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions.
>
> BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal
> was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have
> attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and
> participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm
> not sure what other conclusion could have been made though.
>
> BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to
> be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which
> is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an
> inference then that's great.
>
> On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>> Placated?  No, we weren't placated.  We were told that's how it was
>> going to
>> be and we could suck it up til 14.04.  I heard you work for
>> Cannonical which
>> makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time
>> anyone
>> speaks against it.  If this is the case, would you very kindly answer
>> the
>> million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message:
>>
>> Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? 
>> If not,
>> when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity?
>>
>> Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be
>> inflammatory.  I
>> *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country
>> where such
>> things are allowed.  I was far more concerned with whether or not I
>> should
>> project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not.  You
>> see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan.  I follow them on
>> Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have
>> even
>> hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about
>> Linux.  So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can,
>> please.
>>
>> Thank you.
>

Vinux 4.0 now released

[Rob Whyte]

The Vinux team is pleased to announce the availability of Vinux 4.0 CD
and DVD images.

This is the first Vinux release featuring the Unity-2d Desktop which
improves on transition to Vinux and introduces newer and increasingly
stable accessibility features.
We now recommend that when possible users perform updates on a regular
basis. This will enable the Vinux team to update packages, and introduce
new features.

Some of the highlights in Vinux 4.0:
Brand new build process: Vinux now uses the same method to produce our
images as Cannonical produces Ubuntu.
Console speech just works. Much time and work has taken place to meet
our blueprint goal
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vinux/+spec/vinux-4-functional-console-screen-reader
Voxin is easy to set-up. Vinux has taken one step further in making
Voxin easier to install.
Quantal kernel: We are using a newer 3.5 kernel back ported to Precise
offering better hardware support than ever.
Classic menu. Vinux now has a Classic menu indicator which provides the
old style menu whilst in a Unity environment.
Vinux wiki. Our community is highly committed to providing clear and
easy to follow documentation. http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/
Vinux easy install scripts converted to meta packages.
Pico voices. We are shipping with the Pico voices once again.

Fixes:
Images now work on optical and USB media instead of separate builds in
the past.
Weather indicator fixed, previously stopped working due to API changes.
Gnome login sound fixed, Ubuntu set to be disabled by default.
Fresh and clean sound theme added.
PC speaker beep removed from blacklist, console users can again use it.
Console branding. Vinux will identify itself at a virtual terminal and
upon login offer tips of the day.
Flite and Pico now available as separate packages.
Cicero moved to a separate package also, will stop loss of speech from
the curious.
Revised keyboard shortcuts.

Software:
unity-2d 5.14
LibreOffice 3.5.7 
Speech-dispatcher 0.8
 Gnome-orca 3.4.2
Espeak 1.47
Firefox 21.0
Thunderbird 17.0
Cry for help, remote assistance by Vinux gurus.
Just to mention a few.

Known bugs:
The indicator panel is not accessible from Firefox and Thunderbird.
Console speech has been completed, but it probably needs some stability
improvement.

Availability:
Vinux 4.0 is now available in the AMD64 and i386 architectures and
available in both CD and DVD versions.

DVD:
This contains everything necessary to install the Vinux operating system
and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at visually impaired
users. This should be all you need if you can burn and use DVD-sized media.

CD:
This also contains everything necessary to install the Vinux operating
system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at visually
impaired users. Use this image if you can only burn and use CD-sized media.

Vinux 4.0 can be installed from optical media or from a USB memory
stick. The required files can be downloaded via HTTP as described below.

Support:
The Vinux development team currently plans on supporting 4.0 until June
2015.
Our mailing list has a supportive community on Google groups at
http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support or you can subscribe by
sending an email to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com

Acknowledgments:
Rob Whyte,  Vinux project manager.
Mobeen Iqbal. website manager, Vinux project manager from October 2011
till May 2013.
Luke Yelavich. Development team leader.
Bill Taylor. Testing team leader.
The Vinux team would also like to thank Christopher Chaltain, Kendell
Clark, Burt Henry and members of the Vinux support mailing list for
their ongoing support.

MD5 Checksums:
fb79a7174f207ae5ff8a908d58c60363 *vinux-4.0-desktop-amd64.iso
b4e3ca80f16be3991db19261c663bda9 *vinux-4.0-desktop-i386.iso
2a5089976a0991aee516a14ff080b384 *vinux-4.0-dvd-amd64.iso
14e38b9701e388a45a5e4849323388be *vinux-4.0-dvd-i386.iso

Downloading Vinux:
The Vinux downloads page has links to our provided mirrors, the fastest
speeds will be atained by chooseing the Sourceforge mirror.
http://vinuxproject.org/downloads/

Thank you for supporting Vinux.

Kind regards
Rob Whyte


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Vinux 4.0 now released

[Rob Whyte]

The Vinux team is pleased to announce the availability of Vinux 4.0 CD
and DVD images.

This is the first Vinux release featuring the Unity-2d Desktop which
improves on transition to Vinux and introduces newer and increasingly
stable accessibility features.
We now recommend that when possible users perform updates on a regular
basis. This will enable the Vinux team to update packages, and introduce
new features.

Some of the highlights in Vinux 4.0:
Brand new build process: Vinux now uses the same method to produce our
images as Cannonical produces Ubuntu.
Console speech just works. Much time and work has taken place to meet
our blueprint goal
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vinux/+spec/vinux-4-functional-console-screen-reader
Voxin is easy to set-up. Vinux has taken one step further in making
Voxin easier to install.
Quantal kernel: We are using a newer 3.5 kernel back ported to Precise
offering better hardware support than ever.
Classic menu. Vinux now has a Classic menu indicator which provides the
old style menu whilst in a Unity environment.
Vinux wiki. Our community is highly committed to providing clear and
easy to follow documentation. http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/
Vinux easy install scripts converted to meta packages.
Pico voices. We are shipping with the Pico voices once again.

Fixes:
Images now work on optical and USB media instead of separate builds in
the past.
Weather indicator fixed, previously stopped working due to API changes.
Gnome login sound fixed, Ubuntu set to be disabled by default.
Fresh and clean sound theme added.
PC speaker beep removed from blacklist, console users can again use it.
Console branding. Vinux will identify itself at a virtual terminal and
upon login offer tips of the day.
Flite and Pico now available as separate packages.
Cicero moved to a separate package also, will stop loss of speech from
the curious.
Revised keyboard shortcuts.

Software:
unity-2d 5.14
LibreOffice 3.5.7 
Speech-dispatcher 0.8
 Gnome-orca 3.4.2
Espeak 1.47
Firefox 21.0
Thunderbird 17.0
Cry for help, remote assistance by Vinux gurus.
Just to mention a few.

Known bugs:
The indicator panel is not accessible from Firefox and Thunderbird.
Console speech has been completed, but it probably needs some stability
improvement.

Availability:
Vinux 4.0 is now available in the AMD64 and i386 architectures and
available in both CD and DVD versions.

DVD:
This contains everything necessary to install the Vinux operating system
and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at visually impaired
users. This should be all you need if you can burn and use DVD-sized media.

CD:
This also contains everything necessary to install the Vinux operating
system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at visually
impaired users. Use this image if you can only burn and use CD-sized media.

Vinux 4.0 can be installed from optical media or from a USB memory
stick. The required files can be downloaded via HTTP as described below.

Support:
The Vinux development team currently plans on supporting 4.0 until June
2015.
Our mailing list has a supportive community on Google groups at
http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support or you can subscribe by
sending an email to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com

Acknowledgments:
Rob Whyte,  Vinux project manager.
Mobeen Iqbal. website manager, Vinux project manager from October 2011
till May 2013.
Luke Yelavich. Development team leader.
Bill Taylor. Testing team leader.
The Vinux team would also like to thank Christopher Chaltain, Kendell
Clark, Burt Henry and members of the Vinux support mailing list for
their ongoing support.

MD5 Checksums:
fb79a7174f207ae5ff8a908d58c60363 *vinux-4.0-desktop-amd64.iso
b4e3ca80f16be3991db19261c663bda9 *vinux-4.0-desktop-i386.iso
2a5089976a0991aee516a14ff080b384 *vinux-4.0-dvd-amd64.iso
14e38b9701e388a45a5e4849323388be *vinux-4.0-dvd-i386.iso

Downloading Vinux:
The Vinux downloads page has links to our provided mirrors, the fastest
speeds will be atained by chooseing the Sourceforge mirror.
http://vinuxproject.org/downloads/

Thank you for supporting Vinux.

Kind regards
Rob Whyte


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Re: Resignation

[Rob Whyte]

Hi Charlie,
Very sad to hear this but I wish you the best for your future.
Our few conversations have been enjoyable.

Best regards
Rob Whyte 'aka Fudge'

On 05/03/13 07:36, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> 
> After much thinking and consideration, I am resigning from all Ubuntu
> related activities. I can no longer say I agree with most of the
> decisions being made by Canonical. While I wish this distribution all
> the best, I can not consider myself of something that I am no longer
> finding expresses my ideals and actions. I will also be resigning my
> Ubuntu membership.
> 
> For those wishing to keep in touch, I will remain active on google+ and
> will maintain my email at charlie.kravetz
> AT
> gmail
> DOT
> com
> 
> Thanks to everyone for fantastic memories.
> 

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new users - Australia

[Rob Whyte]

Hi,
From the forrum thread about this list it suggested new list members 
introduce themselves.

So here I am,
I am a 33 year old single parent of two small children.
I am legally blind with some very limitted sight.
Not enough how ever to read text on screen or see an mouse pointer.
Though I see boxes popup and different blended colours I do rely on 
speakup and gnome-orca.


I have been using bsd/nix for about 8 years in a very small capacity i.e 
servers httpd ircd ftpd etc.


I now use Ubuntu via Vinux and have done for two years.

It was suggested to subscribe here as I am very interested in bleeding 
edge technology and usually my interest outweight my abilities :)


I look forward to trying to assist the list and watching how it works, 
how tasks are assigned and hope to be able to contribute in the future.


Kind regards
Rob Whyte

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