Re: [orca-list] accessible login
George: > On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 13:46 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: >> gdmsetup is also not accessible, and probably can't be as long as it >> requires that you run it as root. > > This should not be an issue on GNOME 2.18 and newer systems. > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163132 I assume you mean that gdmsetup should work when launched with gksu when you run it after you have logged in. Yes, this is true. I should have been more clear. I don't think gdmsetup will work when launched directly from the login screen if the user has configured GDM to allow people to launch this from the GDM System Menu. In this situation, I don't believe GDM starts gdmsetup with the at-spi daemon running, and it doesn't seem to work so well in my testing. One idea for fixing this would be to modify gdmsetup so that it runs as a non-root user (such as the gdm user when launched from the logins creen), and is modified so that it has an "Apply" button. This way gdmsetup would only actually modify the configuration when the user clicks the "Apply" button and not the current way it works (where it updates the configuration as you make changes in gdmsetup). Then we could modify gdmsetup so that the action it performs when you click this "Apply" button is done with privilege via gksu or whatever. This way none of the GUI aspects of the program need to run as root. But, as you may be aware, GDM is currently being rewritten to use D-Bus, so perhaps things will be fixed in a different way? Brian -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] accessible login
Willie: This change was made to allow distros to configure where at-spi-registryd is located, if it is not in the default "libexecdir" location. So, distros that install at-spi-registryd to a different location need to specify --with-atspi-dir=/path when configuring GDM. If this is their problem, then this should fix it. This configure option is new in GDM 2.20. If using older GDM, then you'ld probably just need to hack gui/gdmcommon.c to look in the right directory or backport the new configure option to the older GDM. Brian > Thanks! I think the OpenSUSE folks also ran into the same problem. JP > seemed to think this change might have been the source of confusion: > http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gdm2/trunk/gui/gdmcommon.c?r1=5263&r2=5262&pathrev=5263. > > This change seemed to go in with > http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gdm2?view=revision&revision=5263. > I'm not an expert in how various distributions build things, though, so > I'm just passing on what I understood. > > Will > > Brian Cameron wrote: >> Janina: >> >> Some thoughts from the GDM maintainer... >> >> >>> Accessible login appears to be broken on every Linux distribution. As >>> Will points out, this is an issue with distributions. Nevertheless, it's >>> a serious issue for accessibility. >>> >> >> I recently worked with Ubuntu to fix their problems with accessibility >> so I think their recent releases should be working. Their problem was >> that they install the at-spi-registryd to a non-default location and >> they needed to fix the way they call configure to specify the location >> of the registry daemon. This might be a problem for other distros? >> >> There also have been some useful a11y related bug fixes in GDM 2.20, >> so I would recommend using the latest & greatest. >> >> >>> The email below discusses Ubuntu. At the Gnome A11y Summit this weekend >>> we verified that Suse is broken. My own experience indicates that Fedora >>> 7 and Fedora 7.91 are broken. >>> >> >> It would be helpful if people were to file bugs or explain on the >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail list what the problems are. I'd be happy to >> help. The GDM documentation at the following link has some help >> in the "Accessibility" section to explain how to debug some common >> accessibility issues with GDM: >> >>http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs.html >> >> >>> Now that our assistive technologies have passed from mostly >>> developmental software into the realm of usable tools for real people >>> with disabilities, this situation is no longer tolerable. We must call >>> on all distributions to institute procedures to insure that accessible >>> login gets fixed and stays fixed. This will require regular testing, as >>> there are many ways to break accessible login. >>> >> >> There are some well known bugs/issues with accessibility. For example, >> it doesn't work so well with gdmgreeter and some AT programs. You >> probably need to switch to using gdmlogin if you really need to use an >> AT that can interact with the widgets. gdmgreeter would require some >> work to really support accessibility properly. It's main problem is >> the way it uses GnomeCanvas for building the theme, and the fact that >> it doesn't support keyboard navigation. >> >> Also, failsafe xterm isn't accessible. Perhaps GDM should be >> configurable so you could use it with gnome-terminal, which does support >> accessibility? >> >> gdmsetup is also not accessible, and probably can't be as long as it >> requires that you run it as root. >> >> Brian >> >> >> >>> Willie Walker writes: >>> Hi Guy: The last time I looked, accessible login was broken on Gutsy. I sent information off to the Ubuntu folks for tracking the problem down, but I'm not sure where they stand with it right now. There's some information on Accessible Login here: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.18/accessibility.html Hope this helps, Will PS - Accessible login does indeed work - I've tested it on OpenSolaris. Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hey all, how do you enable accessible login in Gutsy? After I > updated last night, I now have the login sound, but orca does not > start automaticly. Any suggestions? Also, is there something that > needs to be done in order to have Orca read items where you have to > be root to administer? Finally, one last question. I noticed that > firefox 3 was in the Gutsy universe repos. Why isn't that updated > after alpha7. Alpha 8 has been released and a9pre is current. > Thanks much in advance for any help. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > > ___ > Orca-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > __
Re: [orca-list] accessible login
Hi Brian: Thanks! I think the OpenSUSE folks also ran into the same problem. JP seemed to think this change might have been the source of confusion: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gdm2/trunk/gui/gdmcommon.c?r1=5263&r2=5262&pathrev=5263. This change seemed to go in with http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gdm2?view=revision&revision=5263. I'm not an expert in how various distributions build things, though, so I'm just passing on what I understood. Will Brian Cameron wrote: > Janina: > > Some thoughts from the GDM maintainer... > > >> Accessible login appears to be broken on every Linux distribution. As >> Will points out, this is an issue with distributions. Nevertheless, it's >> a serious issue for accessibility. >> > > I recently worked with Ubuntu to fix their problems with accessibility > so I think their recent releases should be working. Their problem was > that they install the at-spi-registryd to a non-default location and > they needed to fix the way they call configure to specify the location > of the registry daemon. This might be a problem for other distros? > > There also have been some useful a11y related bug fixes in GDM 2.20, > so I would recommend using the latest & greatest. > > >> The email below discusses Ubuntu. At the Gnome A11y Summit this weekend >> we verified that Suse is broken. My own experience indicates that Fedora >> 7 and Fedora 7.91 are broken. >> > > It would be helpful if people were to file bugs or explain on the > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail list what the problems are. I'd be happy to > help. The GDM documentation at the following link has some help > in the "Accessibility" section to explain how to debug some common > accessibility issues with GDM: > >http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs.html > > >> Now that our assistive technologies have passed from mostly >> developmental software into the realm of usable tools for real people >> with disabilities, this situation is no longer tolerable. We must call >> on all distributions to institute procedures to insure that accessible >> login gets fixed and stays fixed. This will require regular testing, as >> there are many ways to break accessible login. >> > > There are some well known bugs/issues with accessibility. For example, > it doesn't work so well with gdmgreeter and some AT programs. You > probably need to switch to using gdmlogin if you really need to use an > AT that can interact with the widgets. gdmgreeter would require some > work to really support accessibility properly. It's main problem is > the way it uses GnomeCanvas for building the theme, and the fact that > it doesn't support keyboard navigation. > > Also, failsafe xterm isn't accessible. Perhaps GDM should be > configurable so you could use it with gnome-terminal, which does support > accessibility? > > gdmsetup is also not accessible, and probably can't be as long as it > requires that you run it as root. > > Brian > > > >> Willie Walker writes: >> >>> Hi Guy: >>> >>> The last time I looked, accessible login was broken on Gutsy. I sent >>> information off to the Ubuntu folks for tracking the problem down, but >>> I'm not sure where they stand with it right now. >>> >>> There's some information on Accessible Login here: >>> >>> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.18/accessibility.html >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Will >>> >>> PS - Accessible login does indeed work - I've tested it on OpenSolaris. >>> >>> Guy Schlosser wrote: >>> Hey all, how do you enable accessible login in Gutsy? After I updated last night, I now have the login sound, but orca does not start automaticly. Any suggestions? Also, is there something that needs to be done in order to have Orca read items where you have to be root to administer? Finally, one last question. I noticed that firefox 3 was in the Gutsy universe repos. Why isn't that updated after alpha7. Alpha 8 has been released and a9pre is current. Thanks much in advance for any help. Thanks, Guy ___ Orca-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>> ___ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>> > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] accessible login
Janina: Some thoughts from the GDM maintainer... > Accessible login appears to be broken on every Linux distribution. As > Will points out, this is an issue with distributions. Nevertheless, it's > a serious issue for accessibility. I recently worked with Ubuntu to fix their problems with accessibility so I think their recent releases should be working. Their problem was that they install the at-spi-registryd to a non-default location and they needed to fix the way they call configure to specify the location of the registry daemon. This might be a problem for other distros? There also have been some useful a11y related bug fixes in GDM 2.20, so I would recommend using the latest & greatest. > The email below discusses Ubuntu. At the Gnome A11y Summit this weekend > we verified that Suse is broken. My own experience indicates that Fedora > 7 and Fedora 7.91 are broken. It would be helpful if people were to file bugs or explain on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail list what the problems are. I'd be happy to help. The GDM documentation at the following link has some help in the "Accessibility" section to explain how to debug some common accessibility issues with GDM: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs.html > Now that our assistive technologies have passed from mostly > developmental software into the realm of usable tools for real people > with disabilities, this situation is no longer tolerable. We must call > on all distributions to institute procedures to insure that accessible > login gets fixed and stays fixed. This will require regular testing, as > there are many ways to break accessible login. There are some well known bugs/issues with accessibility. For example, it doesn't work so well with gdmgreeter and some AT programs. You probably need to switch to using gdmlogin if you really need to use an AT that can interact with the widgets. gdmgreeter would require some work to really support accessibility properly. It's main problem is the way it uses GnomeCanvas for building the theme, and the fact that it doesn't support keyboard navigation. Also, failsafe xterm isn't accessible. Perhaps GDM should be configurable so you could use it with gnome-terminal, which does support accessibility? gdmsetup is also not accessible, and probably can't be as long as it requires that you run it as root. Brian > Willie Walker writes: >> Hi Guy: >> >> The last time I looked, accessible login was broken on Gutsy. I sent >> information off to the Ubuntu folks for tracking the problem down, but >> I'm not sure where they stand with it right now. >> >> There's some information on Accessible Login here: >> >> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.18/accessibility.html >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Will >> >> PS - Accessible login does indeed work - I've tested it on OpenSolaris. >> >> Guy Schlosser wrote: >>> Hey all, how do you enable accessible login in Gutsy? After I >>> updated last night, I now have the login sound, but orca does not >>> start automaticly. Any suggestions? Also, is there something that >>> needs to be done in order to have Orca read items where you have to >>> be root to administer? Finally, one last question. I noticed that >>> firefox 3 was in the Gutsy universe repos. Why isn't that updated >>> after alpha7. Alpha 8 has been released and a9pre is >>> current. Thanks much in advance for any help. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Guy >>> >>> ___ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>> >> ___ >> Orca-list mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] accessible login
Accessible login appears to be broken on every Linux distribution. As Will points out, this is an issue with distributions. Nevertheless, it's a serious issue for accessibility. The email below discusses Ubuntu. At the Gnome A11y Summit this weekend we verified that Suse is broken. My own experience indicates that Fedora 7 and Fedora 7.91 are broken. Now that our assistive technologies have passed from mostly developmental software into the realm of usable tools for real people with disabilities, this situation is no longer tolerable. We must call on all distributions to institute procedures to insure that accessible login gets fixed and stays fixed. This will require regular testing, as there are many ways to break accessible login. Janina Willie Walker writes: > Hi Guy: > > The last time I looked, accessible login was broken on Gutsy. I sent > information off to the Ubuntu folks for tracking the problem down, but > I'm not sure where they stand with it right now. > > There's some information on Accessible Login here: > > http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.18/accessibility.html > > Hope this helps, > > Will > > PS - Accessible login does indeed work - I've tested it on OpenSolaris. > > Guy Schlosser wrote: > > Hey all, how do you enable accessible login in Gutsy? After I > > updated last night, I now have the login sound, but orca does not > > start automaticly. Any suggestions? Also, is there something that > > needs to be done in order to have Orca read items where you have to > > be root to administer? Finally, one last question. I noticed that > > firefox 3 was in the Gutsy universe repos. Why isn't that updated > > after alpha7. Alpha 8 has been released and a9pre is > > current. Thanks much in advance for any help. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Guy > > > > ___ > > Orca-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > ___ > Orca-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.;sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Foundationhttp://a11y.org -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] accessible login
Hi Guy: The last time I looked, accessible login was broken on Gutsy. I sent information off to the Ubuntu folks for tracking the problem down, but I'm not sure where they stand with it right now. There's some information on Accessible Login here: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.18/accessibility.html Hope this helps, Will PS - Accessible login does indeed work - I've tested it on OpenSolaris. Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hey all, how do you enable accessible login in Gutsy? After I > updated last night, I now have the login sound, but orca does not > start automaticly. Any suggestions? Also, is there something that > needs to be done in order to have Orca read items where you have to > be root to administer? Finally, one last question. I noticed that > firefox 3 was in the Gutsy universe repos. Why isn't that updated > after alpha7. Alpha 8 has been released and a9pre is > current. Thanks much in advance for any help. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > > ___ > Orca-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
