Re: gnome shell versus mate
On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 12:41:20AM AEDT, kendell clark wrote: > Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with > different applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed > easily. It requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. GNOME shell is quite a lot more extensible than I think a lot of people give it credit for. It would be possible for applications to ship their own extensions, and provide UI to enable or disable an icon for their needs on the panel if they so chose. It is disappointing that the GNOME folks decided to exclude a UI to work with extensions from base GNOME, but that doesn't prevent applications from including settings to show themselves in the shell somewhere via an extension. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
It's been some time since I've used a standard mate configuration, so honestly
I do not remember whether once III added the mate network applet to
my panel it just worked like it should have with orca, or if I had to go in to
the system menus and use the networkinterface and enter the name and PW
there.
I know if it had been very troublesome I'd have remembered more.
If you don't get it sorted out in a day or two write me back and I'll change
the configuratin of a mate installationh I have and see what works. I've
got too much going on to look at this today and tomorrow.
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>And how did you add your own network?
>This should be easy.
>The way I added my own network is not a problem, you go to Internet and
>Network, and WIFI under type and then add, and enter the information.
>But this method does not show available SSIDs and if you think you know
>the SSID and don't enter it exactly, and have the infrastructure type
>correct, you will not connect.
>All this is with clean installs of Ubuntu Mate, no changes.
>So do you know how I can find the WIFI list?
>It does not work like with Gnome, with alt + control + tab or any other
>variant of that.
>Glenn
>Did you not remove the mate bottom panel, and perhaps relocate the top
>panel to the bottom?
>You can only read one panel, and it will be the last installed.
>Put all your icons and applets on the same panel, and things work as they
>should for the most part..
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Re: gnome shell versus mate
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 05:22:49 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate Message-ID: <20160402112249.gc2...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And how did you add your own network? This should be easy. The way I added my own network is not a problem, you go to Internet and Network, and WIFI under type and then add, and enter the information. But this method does not show available SSIDs and if you think you know the SSID and don't enter it exactly, and have the infrastructure type correct, you will not connect. All this is with clean installs of Ubuntu Mate, no changes. So do you know how I can find the WIFI list? It does not work like with Gnome, with alt + control + tab or any other variant of that. Glenn Did you not remove the mate bottom panel, and perhaps relocate the top panel to the bottom? You can only read one panel, and it will be the last installed. Put all your icons and applets on the same panel, and things work as they should for the most part.. -- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
There is more than one way you can to this, but basically you either make a link to a .desktop file, the files used to launch graphical applications, or copy the file it self from /usr/share/applications to your desktop. You can even sym link directly to an executable. I think what Kendell was saying was that you can't easily customize gnome's top bar, although there are a few things availble to add I think. There is a lot that can not be customized with gnome however, and that is certainly one of its weaknesses. Putting icons on the deskto pis not an issue however. The thing is, people probalby miss the old menu item that gave you a couple of fields to fill in to put a launcher on the deaktop or panel of your choice. Also, in gnome you cn't go adding panels like you can in mate, or xfce. Too bad xfce panels are not accessible. I think it's a bit better than maate for sighted folk, and would be for us if those panels would start talking...lol -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Christopher Chaltain wrote: Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 07:03:26PM -0500 > Are you sure you can't add your own desktop items? I don't recall how I did > it, but I have a few desktop icons that I know I created myself in Gnome 3. > > I also don't have any problem removing a drive. I just find the icon for the > drive on the desktop, hit the applications key and then arrow down to eject. > > On 01/04/16 08:41, kendell clark wrote: > >hi > >Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, > >but i'll give it a shot. Hear goes. > >Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with > >different applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed > >easily. It requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. > > > >As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change. > >This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to > >go looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken > >out a lot of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all > >this stuff was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different > >sound theme than the default except by using gsettings. > > > >You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through > >the gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly > >depends on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on > >resources, which won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome > >doesn't run well on. On the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd > >with orca, sometimes getting stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the > >panel to fix things. > > > >Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being > >able to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being > >worked on right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu > >system, with apps organized into categories. Sound and video, office, > >etc. You can't search for apps like you can in gnome, to find them you > >have to use the menus or add them to the desktop. > > > >You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I > >can't tell you which is better because each one is preferred by > >different people. But mate tends to be better on computers that don't > >have a lot of power or memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can > >search, but has a lot of the more advanced functionality removed. It's > >really up to you, in the end. > >Thanks > >Kendell Clark > > > > > >Daniel Crone wrote: > >>Hello. I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or vice > >>versa. > >>What do you think? > > > > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
And how did you add your own network? This should be easy. Did you not remove the mate bottom panel, and perhaps relocate the top panel to the bottom? You can only read one panel, and it will be the last installed. Put all your icons and applets on the same panel, and things work as they should for the most part.. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Glenn / Lenny wrote: Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 06:37:15PM -0500 >Hi, >With the exception of not being able to connect to hotspots other than my >own router, I like Mate very much. >This inability with Orca is indeed frustrating. >In Gnome, one could access the top panel and locate available networks and >connect. >If anyone has found a way to do this with Mate, I would like to know. >Glenn > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
Honestly, the current state of the classicmenu-indicator is much less helpful than it could be in my opinion. There are too many categories, and a large percentage of items appear in multiple sub-menus. I mean, really, sundry and other? This is too bad as this was a nicer tool back when I first used it when gnoe shell was still pretty new. I've got an alternative that hopefully will be packaged for Ubuntu this weekend that is rather more efficient I think, will let you know about it, or write me off list and I'll send you a tarball that can be installed with a couple of commands, i.e. extracting the files and running the installer. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Rob Whyte wrote: Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 08:26:02AM +1100 > Have you tried installing classicmenu-indicator? > > On 02/04/16 08:18, Don Raikes wrote: > > I am just used to the old menu-driven approach and whenever I try to do > > something I can't find it in gnome. > > > > I am working on a security-based debian derivative named kalilinux, and I > > don't know all the tools so it would be helpful to have the menus to guide > > me into knowing the various tools and their general functions. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] > > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:43 PM > > To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate > > > > Hi, > > What frustrates you about Gnome Don? > > cheers > > Rob > > > > > > On 02/04/16 03:30, Don Raikes wrote: > >> I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go > >> back to mate. > >> I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing > >> it in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound > >> working on it at all. > >> > >> I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but > >> nothing seems to work. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekin...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM > >> To: Daniel Crone; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > >> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate > >> > >> hi > >> Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, > >> but i'll give it a shot. Hear goes. > >> Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different > >> applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It > >> requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. > >> > >> As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change. > >> This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go > >> looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a > >> lot of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this > >> stuff was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme > >> than the default except by using gsettings. > >> > >> You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the > >> gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly > >> depends on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on > >> resources, which won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome > >> doesn't run well on. On the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with > >> orca, sometimes getting stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel > >> to fix things. > >> > >> Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being > >> able to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being > >> worked on right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu > >> system, with apps organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. > >> You can't search for apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to > >> use the menus or add them to the desktop. > >> > >> You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I > >> can't tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different > >> people. But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of > >> power or memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a > >> lot of the more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in > >> the end. > >> Thanks > >> Kendell Clark > >> > >> > >> Daniel Crone wrote: > >>> Hello. I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or > >>> vice versa. > >>> What do you think? > >> -- > >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > >> Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > >> > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
Hi, surprised you have not found it. Modifier space, so insert or caps lock space to bring up Orca options. Move to the fifth tab. You start out on the tabs so arrow across until you hear Braille then tab for the options. Or push control page down to move through the tabs. cheers On 02/04/16 11:09, Don Raikes wrote: > Rob, > > The classicmenu-indicator does work nicely. > > I have one other question. I use a Braille display with orca, but can't find > the orca preferences to enable Braille support in orca. > > Do you know of a quick way to access the orca preferences window? > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 2:45 PM > To: ubuntu-accessibility > Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate > > Yes if your distro is Ubuntu based it is in the apt archives. > Would enjoy chatting with you on IRC sometime about your project. > cheers > Rob > > > On 02/04/16 08:30, Don Raikes wrote: >> Hi rob, >> >> I haven't ever heard of it can I get it from apt? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] >> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 2:26 PM >> To: ubuntu-accessibility >> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate >> >> Have you tried installing classicmenu-indicator? >> >> On 02/04/16 08:18, Don Raikes wrote: >>> I am just used to the old menu-driven approach and whenever I try to do >>> something I can't find it in gnome. >>> >>> I am working on a security-based debian derivative named kalilinux, and I >>> don't know all the tools so it would be helpful to have the menus to guide >>> me into knowing the various tools and their general functions. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] >>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:43 PM >>> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate >>> >>> Hi, >>> What frustrates you about Gnome Don? >>> cheers >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> On 02/04/16 03:30, Don Raikes wrote: >>>> I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go >>>> back to mate. >>>> I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing >>>> it in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound >>>> working on it at all. >>>> >>>> I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but >>>> nothing seems to work. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekin...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM >>>> To: Daniel Crone; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate >>>> >>>> hi >>>> Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, >>>> but i'll give it a shot. Hear goes. >>>> Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different >>>> applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It >>>> requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. >>>> >>>> As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change. >>>> This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go >>>> looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a >>>> lot of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this >>>> stuff was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme >>>> than the default except by using gsettings. >>>> >>>> You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the >>>> gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly >>>> depends on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on >>>> resources, which won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome >>>> doesn't run well on. On the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with >>>> orca, sometimes getting stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel >>>> to fix things. >>>> >>>> Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being >>>> able to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being >>>> worked on right now and should be fixed short
Re: gnome shell versus mate
Are you sure you can't add your own desktop items? I don't recall how I did it, but I have a few desktop icons that I know I created myself in Gnome 3. I also don't have any problem removing a drive. I just find the icon for the drive on the desktop, hit the applications key and then arrow down to eject. On 01/04/16 08:41, kendell clark wrote: hi Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, but i'll give it a shot. Hear goes. Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change. This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a lot of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this stuff was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme than the default except by using gsettings. You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly depends on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on resources, which won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome doesn't run well on. On the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with orca, sometimes getting stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel to fix things. Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being able to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being worked on right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu system, with apps organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. You can't search for apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to use the menus or add them to the desktop. You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I can't tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different people. But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of power or memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a lot of the more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in the end. Thanks Kendell Clark Daniel Crone wrote: Hello. I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or vice versa. What do you think? -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
Hi, With the exception of not being able to connect to hotspots other than my own router, I like Mate very much. This inability with Orca is indeed frustrating. In Gnome, one could access the top panel and locate available networks and connect. If anyone has found a way to do this with Mate, I would like to know. Glenn-- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
Yes if your distro is Ubuntu based it is in the apt archives. Would enjoy chatting with you on IRC sometime about your project. cheers Rob On 02/04/16 08:30, Don Raikes wrote: > Hi rob, > > I haven't ever heard of it can I get it from apt? > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 2:26 PM > To: ubuntu-accessibility > Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate > > Have you tried installing classicmenu-indicator? > > On 02/04/16 08:18, Don Raikes wrote: >> I am just used to the old menu-driven approach and whenever I try to do >> something I can't find it in gnome. >> >> I am working on a security-based debian derivative named kalilinux, and I >> don't know all the tools so it would be helpful to have the menus to guide >> me into knowing the various tools and their general functions. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] >> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:43 PM >> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate >> >> Hi, >> What frustrates you about Gnome Don? >> cheers >> Rob >> >> >> On 02/04/16 03:30, Don Raikes wrote: >>> I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go back >>> to mate. >>> I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing it >>> in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound >>> working on it at all. >>> >>> I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but >>> nothing seems to work. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekin...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM >>> To: Daniel Crone; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate >>> >>> hi >>> Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, >>> but i'll give it a shot. Hear goes. >>> Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different >>> applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It >>> requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. >>> >>> As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change. >>> This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go >>> looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a >>> lot of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this >>> stuff was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme >>> than the default except by using gsettings. >>> >>> You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the >>> gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly depends >>> on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on resources, which >>> won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome doesn't run well on. On >>> the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with orca, sometimes getting >>> stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel to fix things. >>> >>> Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being able >>> to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being worked on >>> right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu system, with >>> apps organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. You can't >>> search for apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to use the >>> menus or add them to the desktop. >>> >>> You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I >>> can't tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different >>> people. But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of >>> power or memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a >>> lot of the more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in >>> the end. >>> Thanks >>> Kendell Clark >>> >>> >>> Daniel Crone wrote: >>>> Hello. I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or >>>> vice versa. >>>> What do you think? >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >>> > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
Have you tried installing classicmenu-indicator? On 02/04/16 08:18, Don Raikes wrote: > I am just used to the old menu-driven approach and whenever I try to do > something I can't find it in gnome. > > I am working on a security-based debian derivative named kalilinux, and I > don't know all the tools so it would be helpful to have the menus to guide me > into knowing the various tools and their general functions. > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fu...@thefudge.net] > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:43 PM > To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate > > Hi, > What frustrates you about Gnome Don? > cheers > Rob > > > On 02/04/16 03:30, Don Raikes wrote: >> I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go back >> to mate. >> I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing it >> in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound >> working on it at all. >> >> I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but >> nothing seems to work. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekin...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM >> To: Daniel Crone; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate >> >> hi >> Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, but >> i'll give it a shot. Hear goes. >> Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different >> applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It >> requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. >> >> As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change. >> This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go >> looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a lot >> of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this stuff >> was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme than >> the default except by using gsettings. >> >> You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the >> gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly depends >> on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on resources, which >> won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome doesn't run well on. On >> the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with orca, sometimes getting >> stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel to fix things. >> >> Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being able >> to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being worked on >> right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu system, with >> apps organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. You can't >> search for apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to use the >> menus or add them to the desktop. >> >> You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I >> can't tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different >> people. But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of >> power or memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a >> lot of the more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in >> the end. >> Thanks >> Kendell Clark >> >> >> Daniel Crone wrote: >>> Hello. I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or vice >>> versa. >>> What do you think? >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
Hi, What frustrates you about Gnome Don? cheers Rob On 02/04/16 03:30, Don Raikes wrote: > I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go back > to mate. > I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing it > in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound > working on it at all. > > I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but > nothing seems to work. > > -Original Message- > From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekin...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM > To: Daniel Crone; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate > > hi > Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, but > i'll give it a shot. Hear goes. > Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different > applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It > requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. > > As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change. > This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go > looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a lot > of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this stuff was > removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme than the > default except by using gsettings. > > You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the gui > is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly depends on > what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on resources, which > won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome doesn't run well on. On > the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with orca, sometimes getting > stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel to fix things. > > Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being able > to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being worked on > right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu system, with apps > organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. You can't search for > apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to use the menus or add > them to the desktop. > > You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I can't > tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different people. > But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of power or > memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a lot of the > more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in the end. > Thanks > Kendell Clark > > > Daniel Crone wrote: >> Hello. I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or vice >> versa. >> What do you think? > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
RE: gnome shell versus mate
I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go back to mate. I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing it in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound working on it at all. I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but nothing seems to work. -Original Message- From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM To: Daniel Crone; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate hi Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, but i'll give it a shot. Hear goes. Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change. This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a lot of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this stuff was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme than the default except by using gsettings. You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly depends on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on resources, which won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome doesn't run well on. On the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with orca, sometimes getting stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel to fix things. Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being able to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being worked on right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu system, with apps organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. You can't search for apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to use the menus or add them to the desktop. You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I can't tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different people. But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of power or memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a lot of the more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in the end. Thanks Kendell Clark Daniel Crone wrote: > Hello. I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or vice > versa. > What do you think? -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
hi Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, but i'll give it a shot. Hear goes. Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so. As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change. This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a lot of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this stuff was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme than the default except by using gsettings. You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly depends on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on resources, which won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome doesn't run well on. On the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with orca, sometimes getting stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel to fix things. Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being able to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being worked on right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu system, with apps organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. You can't search for apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to use the menus or add them to the desktop. You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I can't tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different people. But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of power or memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a lot of the more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in the end. Thanks Kendell Clark Daniel Crone wrote: > Hello. I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or vice > versa. > What do you think? -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: gnome shell versus mate
I prefer Gnome myself. I like the dash, being able to add items to my favorites and the top bar to get to settings and things. That being said, I run Mate on my netbook since the interface is simpler and a bit less CPU and memory intensive. Mate also has the same look and feel as the old Gnome 2 interface, so if you're used to that, then you might prefer Mate. I'd suggest installing Vinux 5 and playing with Gnome, Mate and Unity. Once you decide which you like, you can just stick with it or install that flavor of Ubuntu. On 31/03/16 17:08, Daniel Crone wrote: Hello. I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or vice versa. What do you think? -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
