Re: Introduction and question

[Daniel Crone]

Hello, good to have you here.
I notice disks is missing from the open with, when dealing with I s o images, 
but I can find disks by going to accessories.
I am using ubuntu mate 18.04.

> On Aug 28, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Vojtěch šmiro  wrote:
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> My name is Vojtěch Šmiro and I am from the Czech Republic. I am using Ubuntu 
> systems since August 2015.
> 
> Now, I have strange problem on my older desktop. If I start to the system, I 
> cannot see disks, when I open computer. I must mount them wia Gnome-disks. I 
> am using Ubuntu Mate 18.04, Accessible coconut 16.04.27 based on Ubuntu 
> 16.04, special system for blind people and Vinux 14.04 does it too. But only 
> on my and my flatmate's desktop. I am afraid I have some virus.
> 
> And in Gnome disks, button mount and other two buttons are unlabelled.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Vojta.
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and 
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail 
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside 
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have 
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome 
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you 
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal. 
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well 
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for 
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is 
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which 
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is 
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have 
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio 
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from 
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of 
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this 
system.



On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through the 
years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally blind user, 
new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times, and the 
installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each other.
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Re: introduction

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you're running vinux 5, then on the log on screen, just hit tab to go 
over to session options. After that hit space and then tab between Unity 
(the default), Gnome and Mate. Press enter and then log in and you 
should be running the desktop you selected. I'm doing this from memory, 
but I'm pretty sure this is accurate.


I run Mate on my netbook, given it's limited resources.

On my laptop, I ended up deciding I liked Gnome better, so I switched to 
that from Unity.


All of this was possible because Vinux 5 let me choose between these 
three desktops right out of the box. A truly nice feature of Vinux 5!


On 17/03/16 10:02, Jude DaShiell wrote:

What I downloaded now that it's installed doesn't offer a mate or gnome
choice for session types but then again I didn't hit f4 on the login
screen yet either and use of f4 may help.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:48:04
From: Christopher Chaltain 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can
just go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate,
Unity and Gnome.

Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running
Gnome.

Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with ChromeVox
all of the time.

I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.

On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
other.
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Re: Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

[Christopher Chaltain]

Before using orca --replace, you can also try restarting Orca with the 
key sequence alt+super+s.


On 17/03/16 10:30, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I had to do that with a mate install and it worked.  I also found once a
system is installed when orca stops talking hitting alt-f2 then typing
orca --replace  also works.  Lots better than a three-finger salute.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:25:40
From: Glenn / Lenny 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

Hi All,
I have found that when Orca stops talking during an install of Linux,
I can make it work by threatening to exit with alt + F4
Then I press escape to cancel the cancellation of the install, and it
is back to talking.
I hope this helps others.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jude DaShiell 
To: Daniel Crone ,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems
through the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the
ubuntu team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit
each other.
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

Gnome being lighter is a good thing to know, I did another install and 
cleared the disk before that and I can bring mate up this time but it 
wasn't worth bringing up after all.  I get notified wifi networks are 
available but can't get anywhere close enough to select one for use.  The 
nearest I got was windows network.  When I got some wifi network 
connection up with unity I selected a hidden wifi network and configured 
it.  No such option available in mate so far as I can tell.  This time 
when I did the install I had my wifi adapter disconnected and for that 
reason didn't install any updates either.  Once the installation gets 
going, so far as I can tell the screen saver comes on and shuts it down 
unless I hit the tab key regularly throughout the install process.  With 
unity, I remember configuring a vpn was offered and I hit uparrow and when 
I did that got asked for the name of my network and its password and type 
of network security.  Once I filled all of that information in, I got 
myself connected.




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It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and 
had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed up, 
corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned, 
Jude.
Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.

 




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  Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 09:48:04AM -0500

> If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can
> just go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate,
> Unity and Gnome.
> 
> Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.
> 
> Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with
> ChromeVox all of the time.
> 
> I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.
> 
> On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
> >unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
> >credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
> >of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
> >to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
> >will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
> >want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
> >The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
> >from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
> >orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
> >available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
> >should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
> >easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
> >little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
> >indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
> >the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
> >Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
> >More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
> >system.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:
> >
> >>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
> >>From: Daniel Crone 
> >>To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> >>Subject: introduction
> >>
> >>Hello one and all.
> >>My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
> >>the years.
> >>I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> >>I am very new to linux.
> >>Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
> >>blind user, new to linux.
> >>I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
> >>and the installer never finished.
> >>But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
> >>From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> >>I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> >>So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
> >>team.
> >>I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
> >>other.
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

What I downloaded now that it's installed doesn't offer a mate or gnome 
choice for session types but then again I didn't hit f4 on the login 
screen yet either and use of f4 may help.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:48:04
From: Christopher Chaltain 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can just go 
into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate, Unity and Gnome.


Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.

Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with ChromeVox all of 
the time.


I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.

On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
other.
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

On the old tower, for talkingarchlinux I had to download another package 
so talkingarchlinux would use both cores when needed.  It would be 
helpful if these graphical systems would take advantage of dual cores 
and quad cores when available.  I installed gnome and think the most the 
old tower will handle will be mate in future.  Hitting alt-f1 brings up 
an empty window or what sounds like an empty window on gnome.


However, I did get wifi up and working on gnome that's similar to unity 
at least where I find the hidden wifi network button.  Even with the 
empty window hitting first letters of  options opened those options up 
and got me to computer hardware and network then I tabbed to vpn and hit 
cancel button and tabbed past use as hot spot and found use hideen wifi 
network button and went in there and answered questions and hit connect 
and I was good to go.


On Fri, 18 Mar 2016, kendell clark wrote:


Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:33:10
From: kendell clark 
To: B. Henry , ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

hi
One thing I've noticed about mate, and probably other desktops as well,
is that they seem to have some kind of algorithm for measuring how much
ram a system has and adjusting how they use ram accordingly. On my
system, which has 8 gb of it, mate isn't all that resource efficient in
the ram department, usually idling at around 700 to 800 mb used.
However, on my mac and on mellisa's toshiba, mate idles at around 350 mb
used, and there's zero difference in performance. Gnome and unity
probably do the same thing, but they also use more effects so can be a
little heavier on the system. The biggest problem with unity and gnome
is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if
you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or
unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome
did not like my mac much.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


B. Henry wrote:

It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and
had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed up, 
corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned,
Jude.
Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.














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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, I'll try that.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Kyle wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:50:58
From: Kyle 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

The main problem with Thunderbird is that it seems to freeze when your 
~/.thunderbird directory gets too large. The best way to resolve this issue 
is to uncheck "store messages on this computer" from your account settings 
for each account. Hope this helps.


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Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

[Glenn / Lenny]

Hi All,
I have found that when Orca stops talking during an install of Linux, I can 
make it work by threatening to exit with alt + F4
Then I press escape to cancel the cancellation of the install, and it is back 
to talking.
I hope this helps others.
Glenn--

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jude DaShiell 
To: Daniel Crone ,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and 
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail 
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside 
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have 
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome 
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you 
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal. 
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well 
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for 
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is 
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which 
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is 
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have 
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio 
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from 
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of 
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this 
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:

> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
> From: Daniel Crone 
> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: introduction
> 
> Hello one and all.
> My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through the 
> years.
> I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> I am very new to linux.
> Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally blind user, 
> new to linux.
> I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times, and the 
> installer never finished.
> But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
> From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu team.
> I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each other.
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Re: introduction

[B. Henry]

It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and 
had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed up, 
corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned, 
Jude.
Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.

 




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  Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 09:48:04AM -0500

> If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can
> just go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate,
> Unity and Gnome.
> 
> Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.
> 
> Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with
> ChromeVox all of the time.
> 
> I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.
> 
> On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
> >unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
> >credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
> >of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
> >to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
> >will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
> >want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
> >The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
> >from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
> >orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
> >available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
> >should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
> >easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
> >little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
> >indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
> >the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
> >Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
> >More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
> >system.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:
> >
> >>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
> >>From: Daniel Crone 
> >>To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> >>Subject: introduction
> >>
> >>Hello one and all.
> >>My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
> >>the years.
> >>I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> >>I am very new to linux.
> >>Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
> >>blind user, new to linux.
> >>I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
> >>and the installer never finished.
> >>But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
> >>From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> >>I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> >>So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
> >>team.
> >>I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
> >>other.
> >>--
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> >>Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> >>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
> >
> 
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Re: introduction

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can just 
go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate, Unity and 
Gnome.


Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.

Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with ChromeVox 
all of the time.


I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.

On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
other.
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Re: introduction

[kendell clark]

hi
Once you've downloaded ubuntu mate, all that's needed to get
accessibility going is to press alt+win+s. I *think* once this is done
the login screen talks automatically, but in case it doesn't, press f4
at the login screen once the install is finished. I'd recommend the lts
instead of 15.10, mainly because it's supported for much longer, and has
the accessibility ppa preconfigured, which means as soon as a new orca
and accessibility stack is released, you'll shortly get updates for them.
Completely agree about linux accessibility people benefitting each
other, I'm a sonar developer, but I'm also a linux user who depends on
accessibility,and I recommend other distros, such as vinux, ubuntu,
fedora and others, not just my own.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Daniel Crone wrote:
> Hello one and all.
> My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through the 
> years.
> I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> I am very new to linux.
> Before starting, I welcome anyone’s words of wisdom for a totally blind user, 
> new to linux.
> I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times, and the 
> installer never finished.
> But that could be due to my machine’s being so old and slow.
> From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu team.
> I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each other.


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Re: introduction

[kendell clark]

hi
It's not an empty window exactly, it's where you start typing to find
applications and files to work with. It's supposed to say something like
"activities overview. Type to search text" but there's been a bug for
years that hasn't been fixed. There's also a dash on the left side
gotten to by pressing alt+control+tab until you hear "dash push button"
that's similar to the unity dock, although I don't think removable
devices show up on it.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Jude DaShiell wrote:
> On the old tower, for talkingarchlinux I had to download another
> package so talkingarchlinux would use both cores when needed.  It
> would be helpful if these graphical systems would take advantage of
> dual cores and quad cores when available.  I installed gnome and think
> the most the old tower will handle will be mate in future.  Hitting
> alt-f1 brings up an empty window or what sounds like an empty window
> on gnome.
>
> However, I did get wifi up and working on gnome that's similar to
> unity at least where I find the hidden wifi network button.  Even with
> the empty window hitting first letters of  options opened those
> options up and got me to computer hardware and network then I tabbed
> to vpn and hit cancel button and tabbed past use as hot spot and found
> use hideen wifi network button and went in there and answered
> questions and hit connect and I was good to go.
>
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016, kendell clark wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:33:10
>> From: kendell clark 
>> To: B. Henry ,
>> ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: introduction
>>
>> hi
>> One thing I've noticed about mate, and probably other desktops as well,
>> is that they seem to have some kind of algorithm for measuring how much
>> ram a system has and adjusting how they use ram accordingly. On my
>> system, which has 8 gb of it, mate isn't all that resource efficient in
>> the ram department, usually idling at around 700 to 800 mb used.
>> However, on my mac and on mellisa's toshiba, mate idles at around 350 mb
>> used, and there's zero difference in performance. Gnome and unity
>> probably do the same thing, but they also use more effects so can be a
>> little heavier on the system. The biggest problem with unity and gnome
>> is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if
>> you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or
>> unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome
>> did not like my mac much.
>> Thanks
>> Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>> B. Henry wrote:
>>> It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's
>>> as close to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact
>>> same size, and
>>> had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
>>> Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is
>>> messed up, corrupted or badly configured if you are having the
>>> problems mentiioned,
>>> Jude.
>>> Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: introduction

[kendell clark]

hi
One thing I've noticed about mate, and probably other desktops as well,
is that they seem to have some kind of algorithm for measuring how much
ram a system has and adjusting how they use ram accordingly. On my
system, which has 8 gb of it, mate isn't all that resource efficient in
the ram department, usually idling at around 700 to 800 mb used.
However, on my mac and on mellisa's toshiba, mate idles at around 350 mb
used, and there's zero difference in performance. Gnome and unity
probably do the same thing, but they also use more effects so can be a
little heavier on the system. The biggest problem with unity and gnome
is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if
you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or
unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome
did not like my mac much.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


B. Henry wrote:
> It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
> to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and 
> had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
> Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed 
> up, corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned, 
> Jude.
> Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

Can thunderbird be controlled to the point where a limit on the number 
of messages downloaded can be imposed?  If so, that might help its 
function.  I have over 53,000 messages in my gmail account now so for 
sure unless I can limit amount of messages downloaded each time 
thunderbird will not be what I want to use.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, kendell clark wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:22:35
From: kendell clark 
To: Jude DaShiell , Daniel Crone ,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

hi
I think the thunderbird problems are thunderbird bugs. At least, if
you're talking about the ridiculous lag when typing messages, that's a
thunderbird thing from what I've been able to find out. There's also a
lag when going through the list of messages if you have over a certain
amount, not exactly sure what that amount is. Gnome will probably run on
that machine, but it might not run well. Mate would be much much better
for a computer with only a gig of ram, but even with mate you'll have to
be careful not to run too many resource intensive apps, like
libreoffice, at once.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal
you want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than
gnome-terminal. The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox
works pretty well from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app
isn't accessible for orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now
at least.  Emacs is available and probably very accessible as a work
environment which should help cover any of libreoffice's
shortcomings.  Thunderbird is easily crashed over here, but then again
I'm a touch typist and have little tollerance for keyboard latency
unless I get some kind of audio indication that something I've done is
being worked.  Some clicks from the speaker would help in this respect
but I don't know that any form of Linux offers this feature that can
be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through
this system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems
through the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the
ubuntu team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit
each other.
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Re: Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

I had to do that with a mate install and it worked.  I also found once a 
system is installed when orca stops talking hitting alt-f2 then typing 
orca --replace  also works.  Lots better than a three-finger 
salute.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:25:40
From: Glenn / Lenny 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

Hi All,
I have found that when Orca stops talking during an install of Linux, I can 
make it work by threatening to exit with alt + F4
Then I press escape to cancel the cancellation of the install, and it is back 
to talking.
I hope this helps others.
Glenn--

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jude DaShiell 
To: Daniel Crone ,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through the 
years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally blind user, 
new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times, and the 
installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each other.
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Re: introduction

[Kyle]

The main problem with Thunderbird is that it seems to freeze when your 
~/.thunderbird directory gets too large. The best way to resolve this 
issue is to uncheck "store messages on this computer" from your account 
settings for each account. Hope this helps.


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Re: introduction

[B. Henry]

Well, today I think the desktops use available cpu wisely for the most part, nd 
for years boot stuff runs in parallel by default when posible. 
Of course there is still a lot of software that does not take advantage of 
multiple cores, and I am pretty sure that most does not take advantage of 
multiple threading. 
Some allow you to configure how many cores are available for it to use.
 

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  kendell clark wrote:
Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:33:10AM -0500

> hi
> One thing I've noticed about mate, and probably other desktops as well,
> is that they seem to have some kind of algorithm for measuring how much
> ram a system has and adjusting how they use ram accordingly. On my
> system, which has 8 gb of it, mate isn't all that resource efficient in
> the ram department, usually idling at around 700 to 800 mb used.
> However, on my mac and on mellisa's toshiba, mate idles at around 350 mb
> used, and there's zero difference in performance. Gnome and unity
> probably do the same thing, but they also use more effects so can be a
> little heavier on the system. The biggest problem with unity and gnome
> is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if
> you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or
> unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome
> did not like my mac much.
> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
> 
> 
> B. Henry wrote:
> > It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as 
> > close to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, 
> > and 
> > had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
> > Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed 
> > up, corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems 
> > mentiioned, 
> > Jude.
> > Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: introduction

[kendell clark]

hi
I think the thunderbird problems are thunderbird bugs. At least, if
you're talking about the ridiculous lag when typing messages, that's a
thunderbird thing from what I've been able to find out. There's also a
lag when going through the list of messages if you have over a certain
amount, not exactly sure what that amount is. Gnome will probably run on
that machine, but it might not run well. Mate would be much much better
for a computer with only a gig of ram, but even with mate you'll have to
be careful not to run too many resource intensive apps, like
libreoffice, at once.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Jude DaShiell wrote:
> I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
> unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
> credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
> of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
> to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
> will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal
> you want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than
> gnome-terminal. The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox
> works pretty well from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app
> isn't accessible for orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now
> at least.  Emacs is available and probably very accessible as a work
> environment which should help cover any of libreoffice's
> shortcomings.  Thunderbird is easily crashed over here, but then again
> I'm a touch typist and have little tollerance for keyboard latency
> unless I get some kind of audio indication that something I've done is
> being worked.  Some clicks from the speaker would help in this respect
> but I don't know that any form of Linux offers this feature that can
> be enabled yet.
> More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through
> this system.
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
>> From: Daniel Crone 
>> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: introduction
>>
>> Hello one and all.
>> My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems
>> through the years.
>> I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
>> I am very new to linux.
>> Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
>> blind user, new to linux.
>> I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
>> and the installer never finished.
>> But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
>> From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
>> I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
>> So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the
>> ubuntu team.
>> I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit
>> each other.
>> -- 
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>> Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
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Re: introduction hajour

[Phill Whiteside]

Hiyas hajour,

your help on the accessibillty side of things will be welcome,
accessibillity do need 'real' people as well as the personas that get set
up.
I'm glad you have also found #ubuntu-beginners-team, any mentor or member of
there will always be happy to help you. All of our teams work together, we
are all part of the same family and you will get used to seeing familiar
names on different areas.

As both duane and I previously mentioned, feel free to ask anything at any
time, we always respond to messages once we are at our computers.

My kindest regards,

Phill.

On 30 November 2010 16:01, manuela popping wrote:

> hello everyone.
>
> i like to work on the accessibility program.
> i got information about a few handicaps.
> which everyone can read on my wiki page.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour .
> https://launchpad.net/~manuela-popping
> even if I only have a small radartje at all.
> every little bit helps.
>
> greetings hajour (manuèla popping)
>
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