Re: Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 Koala positive feetback related toaccessibility and speech responsiveness
Hi Storm, Thanks for tip, I forgot to include that in Orca Ubuntu Karmic page. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com --- On Mon, 2/11/09, Storm Dragon wrote: > From: Storm Dragon > Subject: Re: Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 Koala positive feetback related > toaccessibility and speech responsiveness > To: "ubuntu" > Date: Monday, 2 November, 2009, 8:08 PM > > > > > > > > Hi, > > I was having the same problems with pulseaudio. The pauses > every few wordes were quite interesting. Removing pulse > solved sound problems for more than just orca though. I am > still using speech-dispatcher with no problems. Did you > remember to run spd-conf and set it to use alsa instead of > pulse? I am using 64 bit Karmik. > > > > > > > > -- > Thoughts of a Dragon: > http://www.stormdragon.us/ > What color dragon are you? > http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/alustriel07/what-color-dragon-would-you-be/ > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 08:57 -0500, Bill Cox wrote: > > > I'm very glad to hear about positive experiences so far > with Karmic. > I installed the x64 version yesterday on my laptop (Dell > Inspiron > 9400). Orca did work out-of-the-box, which is nice. If > blind users > absolutely must do a few things on linux, Karmic can do the > job. > However, I found there to be a delay due to pulseaudio of > about 1/2 > second, making key and word echo useless. The delay is so > bad, I > don't see how I could use Karmic with Orca full-time. > I installed > voxin as well (far nicer than espeak, IMO), and had two > additional > problems, besides the delay. When using speech-dispatcher, > speech > would pause every few seconds for about half a second, > which is > seriously annoying. When using Gnome Speech Services, > instead of > pausing, it simply stops speaking, so it is very tedious to > listen to > an entire document. I suspect both problems are related to > the delay > in pulseaudio. > > With the virtual machine install, I was able to get Orca > working well > by uninstalling pulseaudio, as described here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic > > However, when installed on my laptop, removing pulseaudio > caused > speech-dispatcher to hang, with 100% CPU utilization. So, > for now, I > have no suitable Karmic-based Orca solution. Are other > people seeing > the delay problem? Is it only with the x64 version? Are > you using > Karmic/Orca as your main machine, or just playing around a > bit? > > Thanks, > Bill > > > > > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > Try the new Yahoo! India Homepage. Click here. http://in.yahoo.com/trynew -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 Koala positive feetback related toaccessibility and speech responsiveness
Hi, Lol I didn't realize they were respawning. So that's why there is no volume control. I have just been using alsamixer. If you prefer a gui and can see well enough to use it, alsamixergui should do the trick. sudo apt-get install alsamixergui I added a custom application launcher with alsamixergui to the top panel in case anyone sighted using my computer wanted to change the volume. So far it's been a hit. Storm -- Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ What color dragon are you? http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/alustriel07/what-color-dragon-would-you-be/ On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 10:21 -0500, Bill Cox wrote: > Hi, Storm. Once again, you totally rock! I did in fact forget to > change pulse to alsa in speechd.conf (D'oh!). I'll edit the > Orca/Karmic wiki page and add this step. Now key echo is working > well, and I'm having currently no problems in Karmic with Orca using > voxin with speech-dispatcher/alsa. I'm basically a happy camper at > the moment. > > I'm still having trouble getting the volume control to show up in the > gnome panel. I delete .pulse and .pulse-cookie, but some process > keeps recreating them! Do you also know the solution to this? > > Thanks, Bill. > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Storm Dragon > wrote: > > Hi, > I was having the same problems with pulseaudio. The pauses > every few wordes were quite interesting. Removing pulse solved > sound problems for more than just orca though. I am still > using speech-dispatcher with no problems. Did you remember to > run spd-conf and set it to use alsa instead of pulse? I am > using 64 bit Karmik. > > > -- > Thoughts of a Dragon: > http://www.stormdragon.us/ > What color dragon are you? > > http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/alustriel07/what-color-dragon-would-you-be/ > > > > > > > On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 08:57 -0500, Bill Cox wrote: > > > I'm very glad to hear about positive experiences so far with Karmic. > > I installed the x64 version yesterday on my laptop (Dell Inspiron > > 9400). Orca did work out-of-the-box, which is nice. If blind users > > absolutely must do a few things on linux, Karmic can do the job. > > However, I found there to be a delay due to pulseaudio of about 1/2 > > second, making key and word echo useless. The delay is so bad, I > > don't see how I could use Karmic with Orca full-time. I installed > > voxin as well (far nicer than espeak, IMO), and had two additional > > problems, besides the delay. When using speech-dispatcher, speech > > would pause every few seconds for about half a second, which is > > seriously annoying. When using Gnome Speech Services, instead of > > pausing, it simply stops speaking, so it is very tedious to listen > to > > an entire document. I suspect both problems are related to the > delay > > in pulseaudio. > > > > With the virtual machine install, I was able to get Orca working > well > > by uninstalling pulseaudio, as described here: > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic > > > > However, when installed on my laptop, removing pulseaudio caused > > speech-dispatcher to hang, with 100% CPU utilization. So, for now, > I > > have no suitable Karmic-based Orca solution. Are other people > seeing > > the delay problem? Is it only with the x64 version? Are you using > > Karmic/Orca as your main machine, or just playing around a bit? > > > > Thanks, > > Bill > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 Koala positive feetback related toaccessibility and speech responsiveness
Hi, Storm. Once again, you totally rock! I did in fact forget to change pulse to alsa in speechd.conf (D'oh!). I'll edit the Orca/Karmic wiki page and add this step. Now key echo is working well, and I'm having currently no problems in Karmic with Orca using voxin with speech-dispatcher/alsa. I'm basically a happy camper at the moment. I'm still having trouble getting the volume control to show up in the gnome panel. I delete .pulse and .pulse-cookie, but some process keeps recreating them! Do you also know the solution to this? Thanks, Bill. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > I was having the same problems with pulseaudio. The pauses every few wordes > were quite interesting. Removing pulse solved sound problems for more than > just orca though. I am still using speech-dispatcher with no problems. Did > you remember to run spd-conf and set it to use alsa instead of pulse? I am > using 64 bit Karmik. > > -- > Thoughts of a Dragon:http://www.stormdragon.us/ > What color dragon are > you?http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/alustriel07/what-color-dragon-would-you-be/ > > > > On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 08:57 -0500, Bill Cox wrote: > > I'm very glad to hear about positive experiences so far with Karmic. > I installed the x64 version yesterday on my laptop (Dell Inspiron > 9400). Orca did work out-of-the-box, which is nice. If blind users > absolutely must do a few things on linux, Karmic can do the job. > However, I found there to be a delay due to pulseaudio of about 1/2 > second, making key and word echo useless. The delay is so bad, I > don't see how I could use Karmic with Orca full-time. I installed > voxin as well (far nicer than espeak, IMO), and had two additional > problems, besides the delay. When using speech-dispatcher, speech > would pause every few seconds for about half a second, which is > seriously annoying. When using Gnome Speech Services, instead of > pausing, it simply stops speaking, so it is very tedious to listen to > an entire document. I suspect both problems are related to the delay > in pulseaudio. > > With the virtual machine install, I was able to get Orca working well > by uninstalling pulseaudio, as described here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic > > However, when installed on my laptop, removing pulseaudio caused > speech-dispatcher to hang, with 100% CPU utilization. So, for now, I > have no suitable Karmic-based Orca solution. Are other people seeing > the delay problem? Is it only with the x64 version? Are you using > Karmic/Orca as your main machine, or just playing around a bit? > > Thanks, > Bill > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 Koala positive feetback related toaccessibility and speech responsiveness
Hi, I was having the same problems with pulseaudio. The pauses every few wordes were quite interesting. Removing pulse solved sound problems for more than just orca though. I am still using speech-dispatcher with no problems. Did you remember to run spd-conf and set it to use alsa instead of pulse? I am using 64 bit Karmik. -- Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ What color dragon are you? http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/alustriel07/what-color-dragon-would-you-be/ On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 08:57 -0500, Bill Cox wrote: > I'm very glad to hear about positive experiences so far with Karmic. > I installed the x64 version yesterday on my laptop (Dell Inspiron > 9400). Orca did work out-of-the-box, which is nice. If blind users > absolutely must do a few things on linux, Karmic can do the job. > However, I found there to be a delay due to pulseaudio of about 1/2 > second, making key and word echo useless. The delay is so bad, I > don't see how I could use Karmic with Orca full-time. I installed > voxin as well (far nicer than espeak, IMO), and had two additional > problems, besides the delay. When using speech-dispatcher, speech > would pause every few seconds for about half a second, which is > seriously annoying. When using Gnome Speech Services, instead of > pausing, it simply stops speaking, so it is very tedious to listen to > an entire document. I suspect both problems are related to the delay > in pulseaudio. > > With the virtual machine install, I was able to get Orca working well > by uninstalling pulseaudio, as described here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic > > However, when installed on my laptop, removing pulseaudio caused > speech-dispatcher to hang, with 100% CPU utilization. So, for now, I > have no suitable Karmic-based Orca solution. Are other people seeing > the delay problem? Is it only with the x64 version? Are you using > Karmic/Orca as your main machine, or just playing around a bit? > > Thanks, > Bill > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 Koala positive feetback related toaccessibility and speech responsiveness
Thank you Januz. Amixer I think is works correct with terminal (now I does'nt look), but in future better to work hardware volume button my multimedia keyboard and my laptop computer (this hardware buttons works with prewious Ubuntu versions). I think my problem produced a pulseaudio bug, now I going boot Karmic live cd to do requested tests. You wroted: "I also experienced very fast responsiveness while using Orca with Mozilla Firefox included in Karmic." Yes, I see this and I very happy when I see this quick response. Thanks your letter. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 Koala positive feetback related toaccessibility and speech responsiveness
I'm very glad to hear about positive experiences so far with Karmic. I installed the x64 version yesterday on my laptop (Dell Inspiron 9400). Orca did work out-of-the-box, which is nice. If blind users absolutely must do a few things on linux, Karmic can do the job. However, I found there to be a delay due to pulseaudio of about 1/2 second, making key and word echo useless. The delay is so bad, I don't see how I could use Karmic with Orca full-time. I installed voxin as well (far nicer than espeak, IMO), and had two additional problems, besides the delay. When using speech-dispatcher, speech would pause every few seconds for about half a second, which is seriously annoying. When using Gnome Speech Services, instead of pausing, it simply stops speaking, so it is very tedious to listen to an entire document. I suspect both problems are related to the delay in pulseaudio. With the virtual machine install, I was able to get Orca working well by uninstalling pulseaudio, as described here: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic However, when installed on my laptop, removing pulseaudio caused speech-dispatcher to hang, with 100% CPU utilization. So, for now, I have no suitable Karmic-based Orca solution. Are other people seeing the delay problem? Is it only with the x64 version? Are you using Karmic/Orca as your main machine, or just playing around a bit? Thanks, Bill -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 Koala positive feetback related toaccessibility and speech responsiveness
Dear syr, Some sound drivers are using different values for volume paramethers, so there will be probably a onlyone solution, somebody very experienced would tell You the name of configuration file and would tell You a command for increasing The volume. But because You provided excellent description of Yours used integrated sound device, core developers who are responsible for those tasks will be very probably prepare update for solving this issue. I also experienced very fast responsiveness while using Orca with Mozilla Firefox included in Karmic. So i wisch You many positive experiences while working with this Ubuntu release. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
