Re: Introduction and question

[Daniel Crone]

Hello, good to have you here.
I notice disks is missing from the open with, when dealing with I s o images, 
but I can find disks by going to accessories.
I am using ubuntu mate 18.04.

> On Aug 28, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Vojtěch šmiro  wrote:
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> My name is Vojtěch Šmiro and I am from the Czech Republic. I am using Ubuntu 
> systems since August 2015.
> 
> Now, I have strange problem on my older desktop. If I start to the system, I 
> cannot see disks, when I open computer. I must mount them wia Gnome-disks. I 
> am using Ubuntu Mate 18.04, Accessible coconut 16.04.27 based on Ubuntu 
> 16.04, special system for blind people and Vinux 14.04 does it too. But only 
> on my and my flatmate's desktop. I am afraid I have some virus.
> 
> And in Gnome disks, button mount and other two buttons are unlabelled.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> Best regards
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Introduction and question

[Vojtěch šmiro]

Hello all.

My name is Vojtěch Šmiro and I am from the Czech Republic. I am using 
Ubuntu systems since August 2015.


Now, I have strange problem on my older desktop. If I start to the 
system, I cannot see disks, when I open computer. I must mount them wia 
Gnome-disks. I am using Ubuntu Mate 18.04, Accessible coconut 16.04.27 
based on Ubuntu 16.04, special system for blind people and Vinux 14.04 
does it too. But only on my and my flatmate's desktop. I am afraid I 
have some virus.


And in Gnome disks, button mount and other two buttons are unlabelled.

thanks.

Best regards

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Introduction and tutorial question

[Armando Maldonado]

Hello,
My name is Armando and I was recommended here by a good friend. With that said, 
I'm currently installing Ubuntu Mate on a 64Bit machine and have a question 
regarding tutorials. Are there any Ubuntu Mate tutorials available that will 
show me how to do things in Linux, such as installing Skype TeamTalk, and other 
useful programs and/or ways that will show me how to speed up my system for 
good performance? I'm learning Orca as i go so I may be asking lots of 
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and 
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail 
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside 
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have 
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome 
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you 
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal. 
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well 
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for 
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is 
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which 
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is 
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have 
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio 
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from 
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of 
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this 
system.



On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through the 
years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally blind user, 
new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times, and the 
installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each other.
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Re: introduction

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you're running vinux 5, then on the log on screen, just hit tab to go 
over to session options. After that hit space and then tab between Unity 
(the default), Gnome and Mate. Press enter and then log in and you 
should be running the desktop you selected. I'm doing this from memory, 
but I'm pretty sure this is accurate.


I run Mate on my netbook, given it's limited resources.

On my laptop, I ended up deciding I liked Gnome better, so I switched to 
that from Unity.


All of this was possible because Vinux 5 let me choose between these 
three desktops right out of the box. A truly nice feature of Vinux 5!


On 17/03/16 10:02, Jude DaShiell wrote:

What I downloaded now that it's installed doesn't offer a mate or gnome
choice for session types but then again I didn't hit f4 on the login
screen yet either and use of f4 may help.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:48:04
From: Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can
just go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate,
Unity and Gnome.

Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running
Gnome.

Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with ChromeVox
all of the time.

I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.

On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
other.
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Re: Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

[Christopher Chaltain]

Before using orca --replace, you can also try restarting Orca with the 
key sequence alt+super+s.


On 17/03/16 10:30, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I had to do that with a mate install and it worked.  I also found once a
system is installed when orca stops talking hitting alt-f2 then typing
orca --replace  also works.  Lots better than a three-finger salute.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:25:40
From: Glenn / Lenny <ger...@cableone.net>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

Hi All,
I have found that when Orca stops talking during an install of Linux,
I can make it work by threatening to exit with alt + F4
Then I press escape to cancel the cancellation of the install, and it
is back to talking.
I hope this helps others.
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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
To: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-ID: <alpine.neb.2.20.1603171007530.29...@panix1.panix.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems
through the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the
ubuntu team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit
each other.
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

Gnome being lighter is a good thing to know, I did another install and 
cleared the disk before that and I can bring mate up this time but it 
wasn't worth bringing up after all.  I get notified wifi networks are 
available but can't get anywhere close enough to select one for use.  The 
nearest I got was windows network.  When I got some wifi network 
connection up with unity I selected a hidden wifi network and configured 
it.  No such option available in mate so far as I can tell.  This time 
when I did the install I had my wifi adapter disconnected and for that 
reason didn't install any updates either.  Once the installation gets 
going, so far as I can tell the screen saver comes on and shuts it down 
unless I hit the tab key regularly throughout the install process.  With 
unity, I remember configuring a vpn was offered and I hit uparrow and when 
I did that got asked for the name of my network and its password and type 
of network security.  Once I filled all of that information in, I got 
myself connected.




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It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and 
had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed up, 
corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned, 
Jude.
Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.

 




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  Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 09:48:04AM -0500

> If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can
> just go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate,
> Unity and Gnome.
> 
> Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.
> 
> Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with
> ChromeVox all of the time.
> 
> I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.
> 
> On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
> >unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
> >credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
> >of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
> >to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
> >will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
> >want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
> >The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
> >from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
> >orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
> >available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
> >should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
> >easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
> >little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
> >indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
> >the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
> >Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
> >More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
> >system.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:
> >
> >>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
> >>From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
> >>To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> >>Subject: introduction
> >>
> >>Hello one and all.
> >>My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
> >>the years.
> >>I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> >>I am very new to linux.
> >>Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
> >>blind user, new to linux.
> >>I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
> >>and the installer never finished.
> >>But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
> >>From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> >>I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> >>So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
> >>team.
> >>I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
> >>other.
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

What I downloaded now that it's installed doesn't offer a mate or gnome 
choice for session types but then again I didn't hit f4 on the login 
screen yet either and use of f4 may help.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:48:04
From: Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can just go 
into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate, Unity and Gnome.


Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.

Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with ChromeVox all of 
the time.


I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.

On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
other.
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

On the old tower, for talkingarchlinux I had to download another package 
so talkingarchlinux would use both cores when needed.  It would be 
helpful if these graphical systems would take advantage of dual cores 
and quad cores when available.  I installed gnome and think the most the 
old tower will handle will be mate in future.  Hitting alt-f1 brings up 
an empty window or what sounds like an empty window on gnome.


However, I did get wifi up and working on gnome that's similar to unity 
at least where I find the hidden wifi network button.  Even with the 
empty window hitting first letters of  options opened those options up 
and got me to computer hardware and network then I tabbed to vpn and hit 
cancel button and tabbed past use as hot spot and found use hideen wifi 
network button and went in there and answered questions and hit connect 
and I was good to go.


On Fri, 18 Mar 2016, kendell clark wrote:


Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:33:10
From: kendell clark <coffeekin...@gmail.com>
To: B. Henry <burt1ib...@gmail.com>, ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

hi
One thing I've noticed about mate, and probably other desktops as well,
is that they seem to have some kind of algorithm for measuring how much
ram a system has and adjusting how they use ram accordingly. On my
system, which has 8 gb of it, mate isn't all that resource efficient in
the ram department, usually idling at around 700 to 800 mb used.
However, on my mac and on mellisa's toshiba, mate idles at around 350 mb
used, and there's zero difference in performance. Gnome and unity
probably do the same thing, but they also use more effects so can be a
little heavier on the system. The biggest problem with unity and gnome
is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if
you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or
unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome
did not like my mac much.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


B. Henry wrote:

It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and
had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed up, 
corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned,
Jude.
Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.














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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, I'll try that.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Kyle wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:50:58
From: Kyle <kyle4je...@gmail.com>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

The main problem with Thunderbird is that it seems to freeze when your 
~/.thunderbird directory gets too large. The best way to resolve this issue 
is to uncheck "store messages on this computer" from your account settings 
for each account. Hope this helps.


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Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

[Glenn / Lenny]

Hi All,
I have found that when Orca stops talking during an install of Linux, I can 
make it work by threatening to exit with alt + F4
Then I press escape to cancel the cancellation of the install, and it is back 
to talking.
I hope this helps others.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
To: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-ID: <alpine.neb.2.20.1603171007530.29...@panix1.panix.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and 
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail 
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside 
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have 
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome 
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you 
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal. 
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well 
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for 
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is 
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which 
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is 
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have 
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio 
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from 
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of 
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this 
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:

> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
> From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: introduction
> 
> Hello one and all.
> My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through the 
> years.
> I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> I am very new to linux.
> Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally blind user, 
> new to linux.
> I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times, and the 
> installer never finished.
> But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
> From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu team.
> I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each other.
> -- 
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Re: introduction

[B. Henry]

It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and 
had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed up, 
corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned, 
Jude.
Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.

 




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  Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 09:48:04AM -0500

> If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can
> just go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate,
> Unity and Gnome.
> 
> Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.
> 
> Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with
> ChromeVox all of the time.
> 
> I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.
> 
> On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
> >unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
> >credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
> >of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
> >to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
> >will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
> >want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
> >The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
> >from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
> >orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
> >available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
> >should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
> >easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
> >little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
> >indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
> >the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
> >Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
> >More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
> >system.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:
> >
> >>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
> >>From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
> >>To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> >>Subject: introduction
> >>
> >>Hello one and all.
> >>My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
> >>the years.
> >>I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> >>I am very new to linux.
> >>Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
> >>blind user, new to linux.
> >>I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
> >>and the installer never finished.
> >>But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
> >>From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> >>I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> >>So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
> >>team.
> >>I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
> >>other.
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Re: introduction

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can just 
go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate, Unity and 
Gnome.


Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.

Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with ChromeVox 
all of the time.


I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.

On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
other.
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Re: introduction

[kendell clark]

hi
Once you've downloaded ubuntu mate, all that's needed to get
accessibility going is to press alt+win+s. I *think* once this is done
the login screen talks automatically, but in case it doesn't, press f4
at the login screen once the install is finished. I'd recommend the lts
instead of 15.10, mainly because it's supported for much longer, and has
the accessibility ppa preconfigured, which means as soon as a new orca
and accessibility stack is released, you'll shortly get updates for them.
Completely agree about linux accessibility people benefitting each
other, I'm a sonar developer, but I'm also a linux user who depends on
accessibility,and I recommend other distros, such as vinux, ubuntu,
fedora and others, not just my own.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Daniel Crone wrote:
> Hello one and all.
> My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through the 
> years.
> I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> I am very new to linux.
> Before starting, I welcome anyone’s words of wisdom for a totally blind user, 
> new to linux.
> I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times, and the 
> installer never finished.
> But that could be due to my machine’s being so old and slow.
> From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu team.
> I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each other.


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Resource usage was: introduction

[B. Henry]

I am reffering to both minimum hardware requirements and comparing the desktops 
on the same hardware.
Linux in general will use as much RAM as is available up to the point where 
performance is optimal, and then use swap space. 
This is a good thing of course as RAM is much faster than reading from and 
writing to disk. 
Older windows would use the windows equibalent of swap more than it should have 
for optimal performance. 
When I had only 1gig of RAM unity used a lot of swap space, and even gnome2.x 
had programs swapping stuff out of course. 
I could tell the difference in performance between a machine with 1GB and 
another with 1.5GB with identical specs other than that.
I avoid multitasking in the GUI more than most, and for me it appears that 
1.5GB is the oint where adding more RAM has little if any effect on 
performance with Desktops like XFCE, or Mate. Of course that would not be true 
if one keeps several windows open with resource hungry aps. 
There are other things that effect memory consumption of course as well, 
notably   non executable data is cached, so if you open many different files 
you chip away...
I was running 32bit OSs BTW on the machines with 1 and 1.5gigs of RAM, not sure 
if usage would vary enough to change my observations if they had run 
64bit opperating systems.
Unity certainly will benefit from more memory. KDE is supposed to be rather 
resource hungry, but I've never run it.
If you do not multitask 3GB is enough RAM to avoid most need for swap on 64bit 
systems running gnome and even Unity for me, and personally I don't think 
I would benefit often at all from more than 4GB of RAM.
Of course your mileage may vary, and through in a program with memory leaks and 
everything goes to hell.
  
  
 

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  kendell clark wrote:
Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:33:10AM -0500

> hi
> One thing I've noticed about mate, and probably other desktops as well,
> is that they seem to have some kind of algorithm for measuring how much
> ram a system has and adjusting how they use ram accordingly. On my
> system, which has 8 gb of it, mate isn't all that resource efficient in
> the ram department, usually idling at around 700 to 800 mb used.
> However, on my mac and on mellisa's toshiba, mate idles at around 350 mb
> used, and there's zero difference in performance. Gnome and unity
> probably do the same thing, but they also use more effects so can be a
> little heavier on the system. The biggest problem with unity and gnome
> is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if
> you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or
> unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome
> did not like my mac much.
> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
> 
> 
> B. Henry wrote:
> > It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as 
> > close to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, 
> > and 
> > had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
> > Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed 
> > up, corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems 
> > mentiioned, 
> > Jude.
> > Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: introduction

[kendell clark]

hi
It's not an empty window exactly, it's where you start typing to find
applications and files to work with. It's supposed to say something like
"activities overview. Type to search text" but there's been a bug for
years that hasn't been fixed. There's also a dash on the left side
gotten to by pressing alt+control+tab until you hear "dash push button"
that's similar to the unity dock, although I don't think removable
devices show up on it.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Jude DaShiell wrote:
> On the old tower, for talkingarchlinux I had to download another
> package so talkingarchlinux would use both cores when needed.  It
> would be helpful if these graphical systems would take advantage of
> dual cores and quad cores when available.  I installed gnome and think
> the most the old tower will handle will be mate in future.  Hitting
> alt-f1 brings up an empty window or what sounds like an empty window
> on gnome.
>
> However, I did get wifi up and working on gnome that's similar to
> unity at least where I find the hidden wifi network button.  Even with
> the empty window hitting first letters of  options opened those
> options up and got me to computer hardware and network then I tabbed
> to vpn and hit cancel button and tabbed past use as hot spot and found
> use hideen wifi network button and went in there and answered
> questions and hit connect and I was good to go.
>
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016, kendell clark wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:33:10
>> From: kendell clark <coffeekin...@gmail.com>
>> To: B. Henry <burt1ib...@gmail.com>,
>> ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: introduction
>>
>> hi
>> One thing I've noticed about mate, and probably other desktops as well,
>> is that they seem to have some kind of algorithm for measuring how much
>> ram a system has and adjusting how they use ram accordingly. On my
>> system, which has 8 gb of it, mate isn't all that resource efficient in
>> the ram department, usually idling at around 700 to 800 mb used.
>> However, on my mac and on mellisa's toshiba, mate idles at around 350 mb
>> used, and there's zero difference in performance. Gnome and unity
>> probably do the same thing, but they also use more effects so can be a
>> little heavier on the system. The biggest problem with unity and gnome
>> is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if
>> you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or
>> unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome
>> did not like my mac much.
>> Thanks
>> Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>> B. Henry wrote:
>>> It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's
>>> as close to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact
>>> same size, and
>>> had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
>>> Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is
>>> messed up, corrupted or badly configured if you are having the
>>> problems mentiioned,
>>> Jude.
>>> Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: introduction

[kendell clark]

hi
One thing I've noticed about mate, and probably other desktops as well,
is that they seem to have some kind of algorithm for measuring how much
ram a system has and adjusting how they use ram accordingly. On my
system, which has 8 gb of it, mate isn't all that resource efficient in
the ram department, usually idling at around 700 to 800 mb used.
However, on my mac and on mellisa's toshiba, mate idles at around 350 mb
used, and there's zero difference in performance. Gnome and unity
probably do the same thing, but they also use more effects so can be a
little heavier on the system. The biggest problem with unity and gnome
is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if
you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or
unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome
did not like my mac much.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


B. Henry wrote:
> It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
> to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and 
> had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
> Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed 
> up, corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned, 
> Jude.
> Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

Can thunderbird be controlled to the point where a limit on the number 
of messages downloaded can be imposed?  If so, that might help its 
function.  I have over 53,000 messages in my gmail account now so for 
sure unless I can limit amount of messages downloaded each time 
thunderbird will not be what I want to use.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, kendell clark wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:22:35
From: kendell clark <coffeekin...@gmail.com>
To: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>, Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

hi
I think the thunderbird problems are thunderbird bugs. At least, if
you're talking about the ridiculous lag when typing messages, that's a
thunderbird thing from what I've been able to find out. There's also a
lag when going through the list of messages if you have over a certain
amount, not exactly sure what that amount is. Gnome will probably run on
that machine, but it might not run well. Mate would be much much better
for a computer with only a gig of ram, but even with mate you'll have to
be careful not to run too many resource intensive apps, like
libreoffice, at once.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal
you want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than
gnome-terminal. The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox
works pretty well from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app
isn't accessible for orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now
at least.  Emacs is available and probably very accessible as a work
environment which should help cover any of libreoffice's
shortcomings.  Thunderbird is easily crashed over here, but then again
I'm a touch typist and have little tollerance for keyboard latency
unless I get some kind of audio indication that something I've done is
being worked.  Some clicks from the speaker would help in this respect
but I don't know that any form of Linux offers this feature that can
be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through
this system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems
through the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the
ubuntu team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit
each other.
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Re: Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

I had to do that with a mate install and it worked.  I also found once a 
system is installed when orca stops talking hitting alt-f2 then typing 
orca --replace  also works.  Lots better than a three-finger 
salute.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:25:40
From: Glenn / Lenny <ger...@cableone.net>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

Hi All,
I have found that when Orca stops talking during an install of Linux, I can 
make it work by threatening to exit with alt + F4
Then I press escape to cancel the cancellation of the install, and it is back 
to talking.
I hope this helps others.
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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
To: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction
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I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through the 
years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally blind user, 
new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times, and the 
installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each other.
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Re: introduction

[Kyle]

The main problem with Thunderbird is that it seems to freeze when your 
~/.thunderbird directory gets too large. The best way to resolve this 
issue is to uncheck "store messages on this computer" from your account 
settings for each account. Hope this helps.


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Re: introduction

[B. Henry]

Well, today I think the desktops use available cpu wisely for the most part, nd 
for years boot stuff runs in parallel by default when posible. 
Of course there is still a lot of software that does not take advantage of 
multiple cores, and I am pretty sure that most does not take advantage of 
multiple threading. 
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  kendell clark wrote:
Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:33:10AM -0500

> hi
> One thing I've noticed about mate, and probably other desktops as well,
> is that they seem to have some kind of algorithm for measuring how much
> ram a system has and adjusting how they use ram accordingly. On my
> system, which has 8 gb of it, mate isn't all that resource efficient in
> the ram department, usually idling at around 700 to 800 mb used.
> However, on my mac and on mellisa's toshiba, mate idles at around 350 mb
> used, and there's zero difference in performance. Gnome and unity
> probably do the same thing, but they also use more effects so can be a
> little heavier on the system. The biggest problem with unity and gnome
> is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if
> you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or
> unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome
> did not like my mac much.
> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
> 
> 
> B. Henry wrote:
> > It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as 
> > close to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, 
> > and 
> > had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
> > Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed 
> > up, corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems 
> > mentiioned, 
> > Jude.
> > Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: introduction

[kendell clark]

hi
I think the thunderbird problems are thunderbird bugs. At least, if
you're talking about the ridiculous lag when typing messages, that's a
thunderbird thing from what I've been able to find out. There's also a
lag when going through the list of messages if you have over a certain
amount, not exactly sure what that amount is. Gnome will probably run on
that machine, but it might not run well. Mate would be much much better
for a computer with only a gig of ram, but even with mate you'll have to
be careful not to run too many resource intensive apps, like
libreoffice, at once.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Jude DaShiell wrote:
> I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
> unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
> credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
> of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
> to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
> will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal
> you want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than
> gnome-terminal. The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox
> works pretty well from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app
> isn't accessible for orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now
> at least.  Emacs is available and probably very accessible as a work
> environment which should help cover any of libreoffice's
> shortcomings.  Thunderbird is easily crashed over here, but then again
> I'm a touch typist and have little tollerance for keyboard latency
> unless I get some kind of audio indication that something I've done is
> being worked.  Some clicks from the speaker would help in this respect
> but I don't know that any form of Linux offers this feature that can
> be enabled yet.
> More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through
> this system.
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
>> From: Daniel Crone <quirky.wiz...@gmx.com>
>> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: introduction
>>
>> Hello one and all.
>> My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems
>> through the years.
>> I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
>> I am very new to linux.
>> Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
>> blind user, new to linux.
>> I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
>> and the installer never finished.
>> But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
>> From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
>> I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
>> So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the
>> ubuntu team.
>> I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit
>> each other.
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Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: Introduction of my project

[Devin Prater]

While I do see a need for a Daisy player and other such applications, I also 
think an EPUB player, better speech synthesis, and a version of Linux that 
would run on my Mac as my feature requests. I'm fine with eSpeak, and if it can 
be used with MBROLA I'd be fine with that, too. I'd also like an accessible 
application to create music like in Quck Windows sequencer, but that can wait.

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> On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:52 PM, B. Henry  wrote:
> 
> This is a great project, much after my own heart. I started thinking about 
> about something like this kind of thing a long time ago, but more 
> specifically last December when people were discussing their need of a good 
> dasy player for Linux on the Orca list.
> I am really excited to hear about the steps your are taking to improve 
> accessiblity with FOS software for GNU-Linux.
> I am also very glad that there is an English version of the website.
> At this oint I do not know what I can offer this project directly, but hope 
> to be able to do so at some point. For now I'll be spreading the word that  
> it exists among some folks who are not on this list, Orca nor 
> Ubuntu-accessiblity.
> Congrats!
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
>  MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 02:10:42AM +0100
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've been working with free software for 2004, and I'm sure now of 2 things:
>> it's The solution to get an accessible computer in long-term, but its
>> diversity results on a need of fulltime work on the matter. I love the work
>> on distros such as Vinux, about which I'm writing a manual to learn
>> computing (very long as I've few time). I think now an accessible system
>> should go still further, using "universal" purpose. But universal, it means
>> a flexible desktop, for various visual issues, etc.
>> 
>> For all these reasons I try now so pay for devs to work on GNU/Linux a11y,
>> in particular Compiz, Orca and MATE. To know the values of this project and
>> our model, see:
>> http://hypra.fr/?-Home-17-=en
>> 
>> For next month, we will release a full list of features we found in Jaws,
>> NVDA, ZoomText and SuperNova and not present in Orca and Linux, so that
>> users could tell us whet should be prioritary to be developped. On this
>> basis, we'll submit patches to add features, including technical discussions
>> with you about the good approach (what is for Orca, for at-spi, for the
>> application, etc). Now we've the basic platform, we can start developping
>> improvements and submitting them.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
>> 
>> HYPRA, progressons ensemble
>> 
>> Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61
>> Mail: cont...@hypra.fr
>> 
>> Site Web: http://hypra.fr
>> 
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>> Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org
>> Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org
>> You can search or view our group on the web: 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support
>> Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux
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Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: Introduction of my project

[B. Henry]

This is a great project, much after my own heart. I started thinking about 
about something like this kind of thing a long time ago, but more 
specifically last December when people were discussing their need of a good 
dasy player for Linux on the Orca list.
I am really excited to hear about the steps your are taking to improve 
accessiblity with FOS software for GNU-Linux.
I am also very glad that there is an English version of the website.
At this oint I do not know what I can offer this project directly, but hope to 
be able to do so at some point. For now I'll be spreading the word that  
it exists among some folks who are not on this list, Orca nor 
Ubuntu-accessiblity.
Congrats!

 
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  MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 02:10:42AM +0100

> Hi,
> 
> I've been working with free software for 2004, and I'm sure now of 2 things:
> it's The solution to get an accessible computer in long-term, but its
> diversity results on a need of fulltime work on the matter. I love the work
> on distros such as Vinux, about which I'm writing a manual to learn
> computing (very long as I've few time). I think now an accessible system
> should go still further, using "universal" purpose. But universal, it means
> a flexible desktop, for various visual issues, etc.
> 
> For all these reasons I try now so pay for devs to work on GNU/Linux a11y,
> in particular Compiz, Orca and MATE. To know the values of this project and
> our model, see:
> http://hypra.fr/?-Home-17-=en
> 
> For next month, we will release a full list of features we found in Jaws,
> NVDA, ZoomText and SuperNova and not present in Orca and Linux, so that
> users could tell us whet should be prioritary to be developped. On this
> basis, we'll submit patches to add features, including technical discussions
> with you about the good approach (what is for Orca, for at-spi, for the
> application, etc). Now we've the basic platform, we can start developping
> improvements and submitting them.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> 
> Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
> 
> HYPRA, progressons ensemble
> 
> Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61
> Mail: cont...@hypra.fr
> 
> Site Web: http://hypra.fr
> 
> -- 
> Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org
> Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org
> You can search or view our group on the web: 
> http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support
> Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux
> 
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introduction

[dannyboy]

Hello.  My name is Danny.
I use vinux in my secondary machine.
But I thought I would give ubuntu 11.10 a try.
I like the fact that it may be installed using orca.
When logged in, after install, I had to find system settings and raise the 
volume.
but it was odd I could not find my way around and tell how to find shutdown.
Nor was I able to find the usual programs such as g edit, and the like.
But maybe I will get more comfortable with unity 2 the more I use it.
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introduction

[K.de Jong]

Hello everyone,

I thought I had done this already, introducing myself.

I am Keimpe de Jong, online knows as UndiFineD, I am 33 years old.
Peope visiting the IRC channel #ubuntu-accessibility have already met me.
I have no real disabilities, sight is getting slightly worse but that is normal.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UndiFineD
https://launchpad.net/~k.dejong


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introduction hajour

[manuela popping]

hello everyone.

i like to work on the accessibility program.
i got information about a few handicaps.
which everyone can read on my wiki page.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour .
https://launchpad.net/~manuela-popping
even if I only have a small radartje at all.
every little bit helps.

greetings hajour (manuèla popping)


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Re: introduction hajour

[Phill Whiteside]

Hiyas hajour,

your help on the accessibillty side of things will be welcome,
accessibillity do need 'real' people as well as the personas that get set
up.
I'm glad you have also found #ubuntu-beginners-team, any mentor or member of
there will always be happy to help you. All of our teams work together, we
are all part of the same family and you will get used to seeing familiar
names on different areas.

As both duane and I previously mentioned, feel free to ask anything at any
time, we always respond to messages once we are at our computers.

My kindest regards,

Phill.

On 30 November 2010 16:01, manuela popping manuela.popp...@yahoo.comwrote:

 hello everyone.

 i like to work on the accessibility program.
 i got information about a few handicaps.
 which everyone can read on my wiki page.
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour .
 https://launchpad.net/~manuela-poppinghttps://launchpad.net/%7Emanuela-popping
 even if I only have a small radartje at all.
 every little bit helps.

 greetings hajour (manuèla popping)


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Introduction

[rik goldman]

I've been lurking since the meeting several days ago and thought I'd take a
moment to introduce myself.

My name is Rik Goldman; I'm high-school English and advanced technology
teacher at a school that serves students with language-based learning
disabilities - dyslexia, dysgraphia, CAPD, and others (we don't label, so I
don't know the full range). The students' disabilities typically affect
reading comprehension, reading fluency, written language mechanics, and
written language expression.

Right now we're a Windows shop and rely on Kurzweil 3000 for text to speech,
WordQ/SpeakQ for speech to text, Inspiration for mind mapping, and Soliloquy
Reading Assistant to improve fluency and comprehension.

I'm on a crusade to move us to open source, but had to pipe down when I
discovered text to speech and speech to text aren't fully mature yet in the
open-source community (I may very well have missed a successful project in
my research).

My hopes for Ubuntu are blue sky when contrasted with the concerns that I've
seen expressed here. I'm really determined to find a text-to-speech solution
that works for students without having to rely on the command line. Orca is
difficult for my to configure, and will certainly not be a solution many of
our students could cope with. Regarding speech to text, my research suggests
there are projects out there, but they're not mature.

My technology background includes time as an instructional technologist,
database designer, Solaris and Irix administration, and A+ type stuff.

Thanks for listening. I look forward to contributing where ever I can be
helpful.

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An introduction to the mailing list

[Charlie Kravetz]

Well, let me introduce myself to this list. Some of you already me. I
am that irritating sob that keeps asking you to send more information
or confirm something in those bug reports. 

I do not program and am not a developer. I triage bugs. Basically, that
means I attempt to get a bug ready for a developer to work. I also push
to get accessibility issues exposure and to get the bugs worked as soon
as possible. 

I have looked at the bugs listed for the accessibility team in
launchpad, and confirmed what could be. I am now looking at the bugs in
'at-spi'. What a deal. If you want to hide a bug, assign it to at-spi!
Yes, some of these are old, up to three years! Yes, I am asking for
information before closing them. They might still be valid, and if they
are, lets try to get them fixed.

I do have to question why the launchpad accessibility is not subscribed
automatically to 'at-spi'? This should be a package that this team is
very concerned with. 

Well, I will ask for patience, please. I am new at trying to triage
these issues, and will try to reproduce them to confirm and push the
bugs, if you tell how to reproduce them. When filing the report, an
explanation of how to reproduce the issue, if possible, helps a lot. 

Thanks for all that is being done. I will try my best to help out here.

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Re: An introduction to the mailing list

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 06:22:28AM EST, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
 I do have to question why the launchpad accessibility is not subscribed
 automatically to 'at-spi'? This should be a package that this team is
 very concerned with. 

Accessibility-dev is, and the accessibility-bugs mailing list receives at-spi 
bubgs.

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introduction

[Richard Horobin]

Richardh9935
I'm 51 and I live in Canberra, Australia.
I have a B.Sc with majors in physics, applied mathematics and statistics.  I
added a graduate diploma of education and a graduate diploma of management
sciences later.

My interest in accessibility or assistive technologies comes from both my
own needs and my interest in training others to use new technologies
effectively.  My own needs are for screens to invert colours, so that I can
have white text on a black background.

After 30 years' work, I've worked out that I have amblyopia, astigmatism and
dyslexic-like problems.  I have one dyslexic brother, and a hyperlexic
nephew.

I rely on Compiz Fusion's negative option, but I think it can do better,
because in some contexts, it seems to lose image quality.

Richard.
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