Re: pulseaudio problems again
Halim Sahin wrote: > > I can listen to anything and use my usb logitech headset for voip > conferencing. > Maybe your problems are configuration mistakes? could be but I've never found anyone that can tell me how to fix it. the last time I tried, the usb device (iMic, buddy, and vxi b200) overrode the primary sound device. last round with the vxi, someone from the alsa group admitted that the driver for the b200 was inadequate. > > It will be interesting how pulseaudio can give more stability if the > layer (alsa) is broken. > With broken alsa drivers you can't get more stability. > for usb devices? yup. that is why folks should pick one interface and *make it work* > BTW. I am using alsa about 10 years and had no problem with it. > I am using voip with my usb logitech head set (twinkle) without > problems. great but audio quality probably isn't up to speech recognition standards. we can be quite the pain in the butt about that. :-) -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Hi, On Di, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:49:46 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > Halim Sahin wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > Can you please explain why we need a new audio system and not using > > alsa directly??? > > because Alsa is broken. It does not work well with wine. It does not work > well > with USB microphones for speech recognition. It does not support two sound > devices at the same time. For example, I listen to Pandora on my laptop > soundcard and I use speech recognition with my USB headset. Windows it > mostly > works. Linux, it bites I can listen to anything and use my usb logitech headset for voip conferencing. Maybe your problems are configuration mistakes? It will be interesting how pulseaudio can give more stability if the layer (alsa) is broken. With broken alsa drivers you can't get more stability. for usb devices? BTW. I am using alsa about 10 years and had no problem with it. I am using voip with my usb logitech head set (twinkle) without problems. > > If you want to use a soundserver why not jack or esd? > > why was pulse audio built instead of using them? Ego? Cluelessness? You know that under linux we have many alternatives. Pa is one of these but first it should be stable for using it as default soundserver in all ubuntu setups. > > It's really difficult to understand why ubuntu's audiosystem is broken > > for > > people with disabliilities since 7.10. > > this doesn't need money. > > This need only > > the use of stable software. > > (pa isn't stable yet). > > There isn't any stable audio software. It's all broken from a USB, multiple > source perspective. the money is to pay somebody to write code to fix the > glaring bugs, architectural faults, and missing device drivers. Do you know the alsa dsnoop plugin? Have you even talked to alsa developers?? > > > > What about the working console setup? > > All console screenreaders can't use the audio system when pa starts in > > desktop session. > > Another example of brokenness. Audio developers are not thinking through the > use cases properly. Clarification: Ubuntu's audio setup is broken because the a11y need were ignored since 2 years. "" The people who want to implement all services in usersession should try to use their monitor only after login. It can be a security risk if they can watch boot messages or use a plain textconsole. "" -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Halim Sahin wrote: > Hi Eric, > Can you please explain why we need a new audio system and not using > alsa directly??? because Alsa is broken. It does not work well with wine. It does not work well with USB microphones for speech recognition. It does not support two sound devices at the same time. For example, I listen to Pandora on my laptop soundcard and I use speech recognition with my USB headset. Windows it mostly works. Linux, it bites > If you want to use a soundserver why not jack or esd? why was pulse audio built instead of using them? Ego? Cluelessness? > It's really difficult to understand why ubuntu's audiosystem is broken > for > people with disabliilities since 7.10. > this doesn't need money. > This need only > the use of stable software. > (pa isn't stable yet). There isn't any stable audio software. It's all broken from a USB, multiple source perspective. the money is to pay somebody to write code to fix the glaring bugs, architectural faults, and missing device drivers. > > What about the working console setup? > All console screenreaders can't use the audio system when pa starts in > desktop session. Another example of brokenness. Audio developers are not thinking through the use cases properly. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Hi Eric, Can you please explain why we need a new audio system and not using alsa directly??? If you want to use a soundserver why not jack or esd? It's really difficult to understand why ubuntu's audiosystem is broken for people with disabliilities since 7.10. this doesn't need money. This need only the use of stable software. (pa isn't stable yet). What about the working console setup? All console screenreaders can't use the audio system when pa starts in desktop session. Regards Halim PS. I am able to reconfigure my system to use alsa directly so I am not speaking for myself. -- Halim Sahin E-Mail: halim.sahin (at) t-online.de -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Halim Sahin wrote: > Hi, > I can't understand why pulseaudio is standard soundserver under ubuntu. > It has many a11y related problems: > 1. Not acceptable latency > 2. stability problems > 3. need to install a complete desktop for working sound (no easy console > setup). > > > The mailinglists orca and gnome a11y contain many > Messages about problems with pa. > So folks go on and remove pulseaudio completely to bring as stability > back. > Always removing pulse or building espeak is not an ideal solution. Halim we have many of the same problems on the speech recognition side. Linux audio in general and pulse audio in particular are atrocious. Always have been, and I fear always will be. in order to fix this problem, it will take money sufficient to build a complete audio system either on top of OSS4. ALSA or something new. Until we have that money however, we are having to live on the kindness of strangers and accept whatever they give us. --- eric -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Hi, I can't understand why pulseaudio is standard soundserver under ubuntu. It has many a11y related problems: 1. Not acceptable latency 2. stability problems 3. need to install a complete desktop for working sound (no easy console setup). The mailinglists orca and gnome a11y contain many Messages about problems with pa. So folks go on and remove pulseaudio completely to bring as stability back. Always removing pulse or building espeak is not an ideal solution. Just me 2 cents. Halim On So, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:54:52 -0500, mike wrote: > Hi, are we ever going to be rid of the problems with pulseaudio. Everytime I > get updates in karmic and it is installed I loose speech. I was always able > to just uninstall pulseaudio to get speech back until today. This time after > uninstalling pulseaudio, I got no login sound or speech after rebooting. > Mike. > -- Halim Sahin E-Mail: halim.sahin (at) t-online.de -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Hello Mike. > Hi, are we ever going to be rid of the problems with pulseaudio. > Everytime I get updates in karmic and it is installed I loose > speech. I was always able to just uninstall pulseaudio to get speech > back until today. This time after uninstalling pulseaudio, I got no > login sound or speech after rebooting. Du you know what kinde of update cause the problems? Did you generally update your system or only spezific software, e. g. Firefox or Oppenofice? Du you working with a english system or with whitch language do you use on your system? Give use some details of your hardware that your are using on this system. please. Best regards Petra Ritter Zugang für alle Schweizerische Stiftung zur behindertengerechten Technologienutzung Grubenstrasse 12 8045 Zürich Tel. +41 (0)44 383 44 16 Fax +41 (0)44 383 44 92 E-Mail: pe...@access-for-all.ch Internet: http://www.access-for-all.ch -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Something in Karmic is causing the volume of sound to mute whenever a system sound is played. This started I believe yesterday evening August 15. This has been a problem in the past where certain sounds would automatically drop the volume down or raise it out of control, but this is the first time I have seen a total drop-out of the master volume all the way to 0. Things like this seem to happen when pulseaudio is updated. If you are uninstalling pulseaudio, simply resetting your master volume should get you talking again. For me, it's more than a small annoyance, because I try to use pulseaudio, even though I really don't need it because I have a SoundBlaster Live which does hardware mixing. Good luck, Kyle -- Jesus you're my life. I live only to serve You Each and every day. --Kyle -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Dear List! Luke, I try an interesting ydea, works my machine with Jaunty and Karmic. Because lot of people says Orca always lose speech with Ubuntu systems, I try following extreeme ydea: 1. I rebuild libgnome-speec7 and speech-dispatcher packages without pulseaudio-utils dependency. After installed with new packages, I uninstall with all pulseaudio packages with following commands my system: apt-get purge pulseaudio* pulseaudio-* 2. I download libportaudio2 package with Debian testing age, because in Debian the libportaudio2 package is very stable. I installed the new libportaudio2 package with my Jaunty and Karmic system. The results is very fantastic: 1. Orca does'nt lose speech with very long time. Lot of time I work very long time with my Ubuntu systems (8 hours /day). I testing gnome-speech driver and Espeak synthesizer. 2. Speech-dispatcher does'nt freeze with long sayall documents my machine. Original speech-dispatcher freeze with short time. If you interesting, I send you the modifyed source codes, or open a bugreport with launchpad. Or if it is enough, I download modifyed packages with my PPA with Karmic age, and another peoples possible testing this modifyed packages. Thougs? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
pulseaudio problems again
Hi, are we ever going to be rid of the problems with pulseaudio. Everytime I get updates in karmic and it is installed I loose speech. I was always able to just uninstall pulseaudio to get speech back until today. This time after uninstalling pulseaudio, I got no login sound or speech after rebooting. Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
