Re: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions
Reposting here, I am sorry: Hi, thank you very much for your instructions, I was just curious. I will try the gnome, but I am quite confortable with unity and its quick searching facilities. Do I need to compile ATK as well, for AT-SPI to work? I am almost prepared to try this new LTS as my new production system, because suport for my 10.10 ended short time ago. Vojta On 19.4.2012 06:46, Hammer Attila wrote: Hy Vojtěch, Unfortunately only me sent your letter, not the list. When you want update at-spi2-core package, not use the master branch, you need using gnome-3-4 branch. So, when you want compiling at-spi2-core upstream version, you need run first git checkout gnome-3-4 command in the source tree before you do general compilation related commands. I will be test word echo in gnome-terminal, and if need, reporting this issue in Bugzilla. For example, I using gnome 3.4 my Precise system without any problems. You need enabling universe and multiverse repositoryes, and need installing gnome-session-fallback package. I oldest time wrote a complete list what can need doing if an user would like using GNOME3 fallback interface, now little actualized the instructions: Switching from Unity Desktop to GNOME3 fallback session in Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) Installing the GNOME3 fallback session related packages and dependencies First, you ensure already enabled with the universe and multiverse repositories. Default the universe and multiverse repositoryes is not enabled. If you would like enabling this repositoryes, launch the software-properties-gtk preference tool, and enable this repositoryes. You are possible to launch software-properties-gtk preference tool for example with sudo software-properties-gtk command in gnome-terminal. If the universe and multiverse repositoryes is enabled, you need install gnome-session-fallback package. You possible using the Software Center or Synaptic this purpose, or possible using in terminal with following command: sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback Changing the desktop session from Unity to GNOME3 fallback session This is possible with LightDm, you need choosing GNOME Classic (no effects) session after you logged out. Final customizations When you logged again your system, you already have in the GNOME3 fallback session. Following part containing optional modification suggestions to prowide the new desktop session with better A11y experience: Fixing system menue inaccessibility related problem Unfortunately GNOME3 developers removed with the old System menue in the fallback session. Unfortunately, this modification are resulted visualy impaired users unable to access the importanter functions for example with the actual username awailable submenue (unable to change actual user status, launch system settings, log out, switch user, or shutdown the system. Now, have only one known workaround to prewent this problem: 1. Press Control+Alt+TAB keystroke, and go to the top extended panel. 2. Delete this panel. Press SHIFT+F10 keystroke, and choose the Delete this panel. 3. Go to bottom extended panel, and press SHIFT+F10 keystroke. Choose the create new panel menu item. 4. In the empty panel, you need add the main menu applet, and optional the Clock, Notification Area applets. This last two applet is need only if you are not would like using GNOME3 ported Indicator applets. This modifications are resulting you an one column menue system. If you are press ALT+F1 keystroke, you are possible accessing all importanter menu items. You will be see your username realted submenue, possible log out, switch user, or shutdown the system with keyboard usage. Using indicators under GNOME3 fallback session This is simple, in Ubuntu 12.04 system you need installing indicator-applet and indicator-applet-complete packages. After the packages are installed, go to for example with top extended panel the CTRL+ALT+TAB keystroke. Press Shift+F10 keystroke, and choose the Add the panel... menu item. If you would like using all indicators with a single applet, you need add the Complete indicators applet with your panel. After this, when you closing the add panel applet dialog, if you press SUPER+S keystroke, you possible accessing all oldest time awailable indicators, similar with Ubuntu Natty classic GNOME session. This modifications resulted me a very confortable desktop environment. Be carefuly, when you possible first time logged in in GNOME3 fallback session, I am not sure default shortcuts are awailable (ALT+F1, ALT+F2, etc. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions
Hy, I only recompiled at-spi2-core gnome-3-4 branch source. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions
Well, that at-spi thing actually ixed my libreoffice problem, thanks alot. And I love that QT accessibility - I have tried just skype or a while and qstardict, but its very good step forward. But I am woried about thunderbird - when you open a thread, I found that messae list is not updated properly, just try it: a) find a collapsed thread in the middle of the list and take note of following messages b) expand thread and go through messages - htey are still the same, but when you open them, they are messages belonging to that thread. And echoing by word doesn't work in thunderbird at all, in terminal it works only if you type for example something, then dash or dot (will announce word). And I have a question - can I conigure espeak to use libsonic as it is in Vinux? Because othervise its quite slow for me. Libsonic0 is installed. And is there any way of reordering items or adding items to unity launcher? I have install gnome-session-fallback, but I like the way how unity searches my files. Thank you very much, Vojta On 19.4.2012 08:26, Hammer Attila wrote: Hy, I only recompiled at-spi2-core gnome-3-4 branch source. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions
Everyone else seems to get proper reading once they've updated the at-spi2-core, I'm doing something wrong. Regarding the Unity launcher, the easiest way to add an item is to start the app in question, locate its name in the list, use the right arrow to move to the context menu, and select the 'lock to launcher' option. Similarly, if you want to remove something, locate it, and use the 'unlock from launcher'. Regarding the threading issues you have in t-bird, since I don't thread, I haven't noticed. Cheers, Dave On 04/19/2012 11:59 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: Well, that at-spi thing actually ixed my libreoffice problem, thanks alot. And I love that QT accessibility - I have tried just skype or a while and qstardict, but its very good step forward. But I am woried about thunderbird - when you open a thread, I found that messae list is not updated properly, just try it: a) find a collapsed thread in the middle of the list and take note of following messages b) expand thread and go through messages - htey are still the same, but when you open them, they are messages belonging to that thread. And echoing by word doesn't work in thunderbird at all, in terminal it works only if you type for example something, then dash or dot (will announce word). And I have a question - can I conigure espeak to use libsonic as it is in Vinux? Because othervise its quite slow for me. Libsonic0 is installed. And is there any way of reordering items or adding items to unity launcher? I have install gnome-session-fallback, but I like the way how unity searches my files. Thank you very much, Vojta On 19.4.2012 08:26, Hammer Attila wrote: Hy, I only recompiled at-spi2-core gnome-3-4 branch source. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions
Hi, Yesterday, I have successfully installed ubuntu 12.04 daily (probably version from April 17th. I am very satisfied with the way, in which the accessibility was done, I haven't encountered any glitches during installation, I used external harddrive, bootloader has been installed correctly. I am using ubuntu 2D session, I suppose this is Unity 2D. It seems fairly accessible to me, but I need some things to be clarified. I have encountered only one crash of unity 2D, and installed all available updates, even tried Skype and was able to read EULA and login screen without any problems. I have downloaded latest orca master (3.5.X), compiled and installed using checkinstall. I have tried firefox without any visible problems, gedit, totem, rhythm box. I have encountered these problems: 1. Orca has problems with tabs in windows like orca preferences. To reproduce: a) open orca preferences b) move with tab several controls forward c) using shift+tab move backward, untill you reach general tab. d) press left or right arrow - you will skip to some control, but the tab won't change. e) use tab to cycle through all controls and find general tab again. f) press arrow and now it works. Try this on any dialog with tabs. 2. I had some problems when setting up manual IPv4 configuration for my wireless network. When I typed IP address, i couldn't move to any other fields, I had to use flat rewiev to get out of it and finish my configuration. 3. I have a suspicion, that orca doesn't read refreshing text in gnome terminal - during installation of packages or whatever, but I don't have reliable way of reproducing it. 4. In Libreoffice, Orca reads always the previous line and then two times current line. However, when I changed verbosity for soffice to brief, it stopped. When I changed it back to verbose, it was normal as well, so for now I can't reproduce it. 5. This is not a bug but just warning - the shortcut for showing desktop has been changed after full upgrade to ctrl+super+d. 6. Whe I tried to run gedit as root in gnome terminal, it showed - no display could be found. Whats this? Now I would like you to help me to clarify some misunderstandings: 1. What are those dash, HUD, menu etc... I am confused. When I press Super key, i can search applications, files etc. good. Is there any way of dislpaying applications in categories like in gnome? When i press alt+F1, i have some menu with applications and there are mounted file systems shown towards the bottom of it. When I press alt+F2, it is something like run dialog, ok. When I press alt, HUD is not speaking. The menu using alt-f10 is working nicely. I am quite confused. 2. Should I try latest gnome (3.4) on this system? It is system for pure testing, so no problem. Is it worth trying? -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions
Hy Vojtěch, With you experienced Orca tabs related issues is a GTK3 bug, already reported but not fixed yet. Unfortunately now I not found the bugreport link. With Libreoffice related problems will be resolve I think the at-spi2-core package upgrade with upstream 2.4.1 release. I using at-spi2-core 3.4.1 release in gnome-3-4 branch, and my machine Libreoffice works fine. You wrote: Now I would like you to help me to clarify some misunderstandings: 1. What are those dash, HUD, menu etc... I am confused. When I press Super key, i can search applications, files etc. good. Is there any way of dislpaying applications in categories like in gnome? If you would like a similar experience with oldest GNOME interface, but not want replace Unity 2d environment, I suggest you try Classic Menu Indicator. http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/use-classic-menu-in-unity-classicmenu.html I not tested this indicator under Precise, hopefuly will be work. Hud unfortunately realy silent in unity-2d 0.10.0-0ubuntu1 version, with oldest 0.8.0-0ubuntu1 version prewious works fine. Already reopened following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/949445 Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 06:14:45AM -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: Hi. Related to your problem running gedit as sudo, try rename the file /etc/sudoers.d/a11y-sudo to /etc/sudoers.d/a11y-sudo.bak. On 04/18/2012 04:15 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: Hi, Yesterday, I have successfully installed ubuntu 12.04 daily (probably version from April 17th. I am very satisfied with the way, in which the accessibility was done, I haven't encountered any glitches during installation, I used external harddrive, bootloader has been installed correctly. I am using ubuntu 2D session, I suppose this is Unity 2D. It seems fairly accessible to me, but I need some things to be clarified. I have encountered only one crash of unity 2D, and installed all available updates, even tried Skype and was able to read EULA and login screen without any problems. I have downloaded latest orca master (3.5.X), compiled and installed using checkinstall. I have tried firefox without any visible problems, gedit, totem, rhythm box. I have encountered these problems: 1. Orca has problems with tabs in windows like orca preferences. To reproduce: a) open orca preferences b) move with tab several controls forward c) using shift+tab move backward, untill you reach general tab. d) press left or right arrow - you will skip to some control, but the tab won't change. e) use tab to cycle through all controls and find general tab again. f) press arrow and now it works. Try this on any dialog with tabs. 2. I had some problems when setting up manual IPv4 configuration for my wireless network. When I typed IP address, i couldn't move to any other fields, I had to use flat rewiev to get out of it and finish my configuration. 3. I have a suspicion, that orca doesn't read refreshing text in gnome terminal - during installation of packages or whatever, but I don't have reliable way of reproducing it. 4. In Libreoffice, Orca reads always the previous line and then two times current line. However, when I changed verbosity for soffice to brief, it stopped. When I changed it back to verbose, it was normal as well, so for now I can't reproduce it. 5. This is not a bug but just warning - the shortcut for showing desktop has been changed after full upgrade to ctrl+super+d. 6. Whe I tried to run gedit as root in gnome terminal, it showed - no display could be found. Whats this? Now I would like you to help me to clarify some misunderstandings: 1. What are those dash, HUD, menu etc... I am confused. When I press Super key, i can search applications, files etc. good. Is there any way of dislpaying applications in categories like in gnome? When i press alt+F1, i have some menu with applications and there are mounted file systems shown towards the bottom of it. When I press alt+F2, it is something like run dialog, ok. When I press alt, HUD is not speaking. The menu using alt-f10 is working nicely. I am quite confused. 2. Should I try latest gnome (3.4) on this system? It is system for pure testing, so no problem. Is it worth trying? -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
