[ubuntu-art] LAUNCHPAD: HowTo
Ok, despite being horribly short on time tonight, I straggled a little bit of info together for those of you out there who need to know how polls and such work on Launchpad. Revise this page if you feel you can add more. Launchpad information needs documentation, and it currently isn't too easy to find. ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadHowTo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Icon request
Hello! I am currently developing a GNOME front-end for the FCE Ultra NES Emulator: gfceu [1+2]. I am hoping to see this program pushed into universe. One aspect that is missing however, is an icon for the desktop file. I am by no means an artist, and am asking for a contribution. I'm looking for an icon that fits in with the Ubuntu desktop, and resembles an NES controller [3]. If anyone is up to the challenge, please let me know. I will be more than happy to accept any artwork for this project. Thank you for your time, and I hope someone is up to the challenge! God bless, Lukas [1] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1131340 [2] http://punkrockguy318.no-ip.org/gfceu/ [3] http://www.jplt.com/~jake/gameunder/NES_controller.jpg -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Re: A Request
Okay. So. This is my first time posting here, and I've only been subscribed to this for a few days in the hopes that I may contribute something (as a friend, a loyal Ubuntu user, suggested that Ubuntu may need more designers for their next cycle release). That being said, I think it needs to also be said that the infighting amongst the teams and characters is severely disappointing and is a severe detriment to both the progress of Ubuntu, the organization of the team, the team's mandate and its priorities. Ideologies aside, the entire few days I've been subscribed have appeared to be bickering and ideological ranting. and both have their place, but is this it? The first question should be, in this discussion, not WHAT software is used, but how the team can use it effectively. Unless you are sticking stickers on Ubuntu packaging assuring that everything was made in programs used in the OS itself, the argument may not be worthwhile persuing. That being said, the issue is not about proprietary software. The issues are: 1) Can all of the teams use their own software effectively, and share formats amongst members in a productive manner? 2) Do these tools, on a personal and team level, meet the objectives of the design and artwork, both in workflow, output, and efficiency? I feel I must stress item number one, as that is the BOTTOM line for all Ubuntu projects. Ubuntu, as an OS, has a mandate of being for People. This mandate is the bottom, core expression of all graphical and interface elements of the ubuntu operating system. The tools used is of little importance, as long as the team can work together (in file formats, coordination and goals) to fufil the objectives of the Ubuntu operating system. Additionally, as Ubuntu seeks to be "for people" -- and, that brings about the important question -- how many users are going to become indignant because their interface (assuming it meets their usage and aesthetic desires) was created in a mish-mash of programs? how many users will know, or care, unless we make it a point? At this point, I severely hope that this is not the sum and total of my experience in the Ubuntu Art Team (maybe I joined at the wrong time?) but I believe that these arguments belong on a personal level, and not on a team and professional level. The choice is yours, but keep in mind that potential additions to the team may not be so inspired by the activites on this mailing list. ~ Joel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Artwork team meeting
On 6/11/06, Pascal Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Fair enough. And because we really need to go underway I'm just going topropose a time and see what people think. Just say yes or no if youcan't make it.Saturday June 17, 16:00 UTC. I don't think I'm working this Saturday - my timetable isn't in front of me right now, though. If I'm not working, 1600UTC is 0900 local, which works for me. In #ubuntu-meeting, I assume, so it gets logged properly? Brian/Madpilot -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A request
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 10:01 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote: Op 12-jun-2006, om 9:43 heeft Billy het volgende geschreven: > On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 07:41 +0100, Joao Inacio wrote: >> I have no clue what you're talking about that but if i'm correct >> (english isn't my first language) thats called zealotry? > condemnation? zealotry? it's all the same name calling by those > that claim we shouldn't do such ;) >> Keep it up, and use whatever you think it's better. Freedom is >> also about not forcing anyone to use free software. > Oh that freedom word can be a lot of things. Including and not > limited to supporting the other os's. How can someone say 'we are > up against Vista' and use its software to improve its own os? > Freedom? No! Lack of vision and principle! To me, it's productivity. Not that I use Vista or ever plan on doing so. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your mail, which seems to be almost solely to provoke a heated debate. Michiel On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 10:02 +0200, Manu Cornet wrote: Hi ! There's a difference between having your own opinion and not letting other people have another one. Please understand that I don't go out of my way to pad things or attempt to be politically correct. I simply state my opinion, and that is all I have done. It was not intended to be offensive, but based on the topic, the reason for the original post, and the world we live in, I knew it would be assumed to be a flame. That's the norm these days, and I'm used to that. On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 22:36 +0800, Jerome Gotangco wrote: as long as the team works in an open format, why not? While I have, in the past, used psd's in gimp and not noticed any loss, that is not the case for svg between Inkscape and AI. Unless this has changed in the last year or so, working between these 2 apps is pointless and cripling at best. That's why. While the winds of change have swept the artteam, I will remind everyone that the use of oss apps was a requirement not long ago. Now that people have excused themselves because they say those apps are not worthy, things have changed. I simply disagree with both of the previous statements, and can, and have, proved it (as others have) so that all are without excuse, regardless of your opinion which I have not denied anyone the right of. It seems to be ok to say it is wrong to think only oss apps should be used, but if you take the other side and your opinion differs, you cross the line and have denied others the right to an opinion, which is absurd. That's very typical these days and hypocritical. So who provoked the heated debate? I didn't start the post on a loaded topic. ;) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A request
Hi Michiel,You can use every tool you prefer in my opinion. BTW for icons in tangerine I'd like to have the "source file" in bzr as well (like we do for tango-icon-theme and for g-i-t upstream) and those source file should be either in xcf (gimp format) or svg, since you cannot force people to use proprietary tools (which costs money, and usually lots of) while you can "force" them to use oss since it's free. So my take is that you can work with whatever tool you like but if you need to concurrently work on something you should provide the files in an oss friendly format. CiaoLapo -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A request
as long as the team works in an open format, why not? I also contribute on TheOpenCD project (a FOSS for Windows CD) and we do have some art apps for win32. I work on both Linux and XP for it, and as long as I use a standard format that both platforms can work on, we're in good company. So yeah, standard formats = good company. -- Jerome Gotangco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +639196555242 GPG: 0xA97B69A0 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A request
Manu Cornet wrote:
but what some guys are doing here looks very much like some kind of
"holy crusade" to me ("dude, believe in my god or I'll cut your head
off)".
Please chill, the main point of this team (if I understand it
correctly) is to made great artwork for Ubuntu, no matter what tools
you're using, isn't it ?
Cheers,
Manu
I agree with you Manu, and I can't believe this is happening. Michael
was merely making a request to stop the bitching, quite frankly a rather
reasonable request, one which I back, and to just get on with good art.
These holy crusaders you speak of are just taking it as an invite to
bitch themselves.
Billy wrote:
It won't make my art any better.
yes it does
Billy. Has anything you said in this discussion been backed up by any
real evidence? No. You're just preaching contradictions expecting
everyone to fall into place and believe you. Maybe if you showed us a
few pictures of art produced with proprietary software compared to art
produced by free and open software and show us some real infallible
evidence that open source is better, we might.
Thanks,
Tom Moitie
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Re: [ubuntu-art] A request
Michiel Sikma wrote: I've been on the Ubuntu Artwork team for a little while now. It was fun talking to everybody on the mailing list here and exciting to see my proposal for usplash used in Dapper. I can't wait to begin seriously contributing to Edgy and discussing how we should make it look great. There is one thing, however, that makes me a bit sour. On IRC in particular, I've noticed that there is a sort of detrimental attitude towards people who use proprietary software to contribute to Ubuntu. While I find it logical that one would promote dogfooding when possible, such as using GIMP to create graphics for open source software, but that shouldn't imply that it's okay to actively discourage the use of tried and tested software people like using. Michiel, thank you for your contributions so far, and I want to urge you to continue to contribute, using whatever tools work best for you right now. As others have written, the use of an open format like SVG or PNG makes collaboration easier and results in content that does not force other artists to make the same choices that you did. But I see that you understand that. It would also be great if you could, for example, once a year evaluate the best free software art tools, and blog about the features you think they need before someone like yourself will switch to them. That helps guide the development of free software and would be another valuable contribution. Ubuntu is not about limiting others to your choices. Ubuntu is also about freedom of choice, and I feel that Ubuntu Artwork development should be the same. Very well said. Folks, Michiel's feelings must have taken some courage to express. I expect this team and this list to be as passionate about the Ubuntu Code of Conduct as I am. We are here to collaborate and to help build a better software platform for everybody. Some people will choose to use proprietary software. That does not make them bad, or stupid, people. Value their contributions, perhaps even more for the fact that they our stepping "outside" their comfortable toolset to help us change their world. Our goal is to ensure that there exists a complete free software stack for any professional purpose. To do that, we need to draw on expertise which might not yet be ready to live in a free software-only world. Michiel is an example of that, and a great contributor to Ubuntu. Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] DEV CYCLE: Targets
Voice off on the targets and flesh them out folks. Consider it a shortlisting for a breakdown of deadlines. If you have other areas that need addressing, they need to be brought up BEFORE the Edgy cycle begins. Paris is coming rapidly... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Artwork team meeting
Pascal Klein wrote: Fair enough. And because we really need to go underway I'm just going to propose a time and see what people think. Just say yes or no if you can't make it. Saturday June 17, 16:00 UTC. Sounds good to me. Let´s do it! - Andreas -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Our wiki organisation
On Fri, 2006-09-06 at 21:04 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > It would be nice to have a space for each theme, which has a > "standardised" top page. So you could have: > > Artwork/Themes/Human -> top-level theme page with thumbnails of > desktop, splash etc > Artwork/Themes/Outdoors -> as above for Outdoors This is the plan, but our default art contents should demand the most focus. As per Frank's document etc. If we can get our base camp in order, I think we will have a fighting chance. Everyone else get your noise in on the wiki. Et's time is scarce and he will start ploughing through it shortly. You can't complain if you don't contribute. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Artwork team meeting
Fair enough. And because we really need to go underway I'm just going to propose a time and see what people think. Just say yes or no if you can't make it. Saturday June 17, 16:00 UTC. Looks good to me. Can Mark make it (Claire...)? And let's make sure the meeting happens this time! I thought there was one scheduled for two weekends ago (I was totally unable to make it, as I stated in planning - so I don't know if anything happened...) but very little seems to have come out of it... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A request
On 6/12/06, Billy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Freedom is also about not forcing anyone to use free software. Oh that freedom word can be a lot of things. Including and not limited to supporting the other os's. I have no clue what you are talking about. How can someone say 'we are up against Vista' and use its software to improve its own os? Freedom? No! Lack of vision and principle! Next you'll be saying emails written from windows boxes don't belong in this list. Freedom is about using what i want, not what anyone else thinks i should use. Stick to your opinion, you are entitled to it. but don't be surprised when people use the "z" word to describe it. -- João Inácio http://www.jcinacio.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A request
It's more important to use open formats than open software, I would have concerns if the files were saved in .ai or .cdr rather than svg and that the components of the design where some how withheld from other artists and developers preventing the maintenance of the art. Why should I care what the program you used to make it was? use what you work best in and produce some great art. Best Regards, Martin Owens On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:22:42 +0200 , Michiel Sikma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I don't think that it "doesn't belong" in Linux. It's not a sin to use >proprietary software, nor is it a sin to work on Linux with different >operating systems. It's not like icons made on a Mac or Windows PC are >stolen wares or negatively connotated in any way. They're just icons. > >Myself, I'm simply a designer who's used to using Adobe's products, like >most others in this profession. I contribute to Ubuntu in my spare time, >and if I had to try and learn GIMP or Inkscape, I wouldn't have any time >left to contribute. And what are the real advantages of switching to >either of those programs? It won't make my art any better, but it will >make some people feel better, even though the users of the software >largely will not care or even know. > >I'm thankful, however, that a lot of people have responded to this by >saying that they're okay with the usage of proprietary software. I just >wanted to make sure that this list won't actively discourage users to >contribute if they do. It's actually this reason why I haven't started >contributing to Ubuntu since around the Hoary cycle. I just didn't feel >like I belonged in what seemed to be a small and strict community. > >Michiel > >-- >ubuntu-art mailing list >ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > -- ## #::.. http://www.doctormo.co.uk/ ..::# ## -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A request
Op 12-jun-2006, om 9:43 heeft Billy het volgende geschreven: On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 07:41 +0100, Joao Inacio wrote: I have no clue what you're talking about that but if i'm correct (english isn't my first language) thats called zealotry? condemnation? zealotry? it's all the same name calling by those that claim we shouldn't do such ;) Keep it up, and use whatever you think it's better. Freedom is also about not forcing anyone to use free software. Oh that freedom word can be a lot of things. Including and not limited to supporting the other os's. How can someone say 'we are up against Vista' and use its software to improve its own os? Freedom? No! Lack of vision and principle! To me, it's productivity. Not that I use Vista or ever plan on doing so. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your mail, which seems to be almost solely to provoke a heated debate. I realize that I can't expect everybody to be sympathetic to my usage of proprietary software, but I'm glad most people are. Michiel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A request
Hi !
There's a difference between having your own opinion and not letting
other people have another one.
Someone mentionned religion (the Pope and Islam) : I think it's
perfectly right to defend what you believe in, and to let other people
know that their opinion is not the only one out there ("hey dude, come
and see about my religion, it's nice, and very different from yours"),
but what some guys are doing here looks very much like some kind of
"holy crusade" to me ("dude, believe in my god or I'll cut your head
off)".
Please chill, the main point of this team (if I understand it
correctly) is to made great artwork for Ubuntu, no matter what tools
you're using, isn't it ?
Cheers,
Manu
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Re: [ubuntu-art] A request
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 08:22 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote: Billy wrote: > That pretty much sums it up for me. Doesn't matter if you make it in PS > or AI in a particular format. Doesn't belong in linux, and it's a shame > if it ends up here. I have AI, PS, and many others, but I won't buy them > anymore and I do not use them to make anything that ends up on your > linux desktop, heck I don't even use them anymore. I don't care if you > use it, as long as the art stays on the other platform. You call it > condemnation, but I call it common sense. If money was pumped into > Human, it would have gone a lot farther if put into inkscape and the > gimp while allowing tangerine to be the default ;) "Hey those icons look > great!"..."but they were made with PS on a mac", is absolutely silly. > Keep it in the family or take it somewhere else :D Wha?...ashamed of > your great OS? Myself, I'm simply a designer who's used to using Adobe's products, like most others in this profession. not an excuse I contribute to Ubuntu in my spare time, and if I had to try and learn GIMP or Inkscape, I wouldn't have any time left to contribute. oh well, it takes very little timeI did itagain, it is just an excuse. Add up all the times you have rebooted to get to the other and you would have already learned our own ;) Common sense! And what are the real advantages of switching to either of those programs? art from the OS the art is supporting? It won't make my art any better. yes it does but it will make some people feel better, no it won't even though the users of the software largely will not care or even know. that's why I'm thankful, however, that a lot of people have responded to this by saying that they're okay with the usage of proprietary software. this politically correct world is very sad indeed I just wanted to make sure that this list won't actively discourage users to contribute if they do. It's actually this reason why I haven't started contributing to Ubuntu since around the Hoary cycle. I just didn't feel like I belonged in what seemed to be a small and strict community. that was good Michiel On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 07:41 +0100, Joao Inacio wrote: I have no clue what you're talking about that but if i'm correct (english isn't my first language) thats called zealotry? condemnation? zealotry? it's all the same name calling by those that claim we shouldn't do such ;) Keep it up, and use whatever you think it's better. Freedom is also about not forcing anyone to use free software. Oh that freedom word can be a lot of things. Including and not limited to supporting the other os's. How can someone say 'we are up against Vista' and use its software to improve its own os? Freedom? No! Lack of vision and principle! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
