Re: [ubuntu-art] Branching Feisty Artwork

[Daniel Holbach]

Hello Troy,

Am Mittwoch, den 22.11.2006, 21:19 -0800 schrieb Troy James Sobotka:
> I believe we discussed this in Paris -- the problem you raised was a
> technological migration issue.  Is this still an issue?  

I'm not quite sure which migration issue you're referring to.


> I am 100% for dumping the legacy themes.  In fact, default artwork
> should probably only consist of the single elements for the default
> looks.  Everything else should be repository based.

We're not dumping them completely, but will shove them to Universe,
where people can still easily install them from.

Have a nice day,
 Daniel



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Consideration on Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Theme

[Troy James Sobotka]

On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 19:15 +0100, Gianluca Sartori wrote:
> Style and Coherency 
>   * panel icons have all a different style. Would be good, at
> least for the default icons to create a coherent set. I
> suggest a flat style like the MacOS has adopted for his
> menubar  (pic1) 

Consistency is a well praised element in the artwork team camp.  That
said, we are dealing with very complicated circumstances.  As you can
imagine, the icons take a good deal of effort.  Currently, the bulk of
the icons were contracted by sabdfl and built by the IconFactory.  If
someone were to construct a set of panel icons that met sabdfl's
approval, it is possible they could be included.  This is not an easy
endeavor however.  ;)

> Colors
>   * I gave a look to the palette on the wiky
> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/sabdflAesthetic) is
> it the approved one? I think we should create a richer palette
> like the one used by the gnome guys
> (http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/design.html#Palette) 
> so that we can create coherent icons

The palette has never been used to the best of my knowledge.  There is
currently _no_ official palette for Ubuntu.

> Beryl
>   * I installed Beryl. Don't know if the new Feisty Fawn will have
> the 3DWM by default, but anyway I think that the default
> settings are a bit too much confusing for the common user. I
> have a less hard approch to visual effects. You can found my
> beryl settings attached ( soft-beryl-settings.Profile)

I believe if you read the last UWN you will see some information on the
newest Feisty related Compiz elements.

> Window Manager
>   * The actual theme is very good. The only thing I don't like is
> the border around the three control buttons. What about
> leaving them without border and put a sort of transparent
> highlight on mouse hover? I also like the color to be a little
> bit darker like the color of that Ubuntu Smooth Chocolate
> background you can find installed by default. Probably also a
> little bit of antialias/smooth on the rounded corners and a
> darker line to mark the separation between the caption and the
> application menu more sharpen. 

I believe some of the limitations are inherent in GNOME.  You would
either need to address them with code or formalize a bug report for
change.  

Hope this helps,
TJS


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Branching Feisty Artwork

[Troy James Sobotka]

On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 19:09 +0100, Daniel Holbach wrote:
> Apart from that, I'd like to drop the individual themes from
> ubuntu-artwork. gray-theme, industrialtango-theme, legacyhuman-theme,
> outdoors-theme, resilience-theme, silicon-theme have been part of
> Ubuntu's default for 2 releases now and I think with feisty we should
> add something fresh. This is not my call, but I'd like to discuss it
> here.

I believe we discussed this in Paris -- the problem you raised was a
technological migration issue.  Is this still an issue?  

I am 100% for dumping the legacy themes.  In fact, default artwork
should probably only consist of the single elements for the default
looks.  Everything else should be repository based.

Sincerely,
TJS



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[ubuntu-art] Plea for a choice of themes having subtle gentle colours?

[alan c]

I hope I have not missed something, I am new to this list and I 
appreciate visual appearances.

I frequently find that for my taste, most themes are a bit full-on, in 
the face, strong colour. This is great for a refreshing change, but 
can be a little tiresome when I want the 'content' to rule, and the 
theme to 'fade into the background'.

I make a plea for a theme/s which includes a gentle perhaps pastel 
shades, minimal colour, accepted that it must be seen(!)

For example I generally have to make up a custom one, light brown, 
sandy, etc, as far as I can see, lighter in colour than themes usually 
offered.
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[ubuntu-art] Branching Feisty Artwork

[Daniel Holbach]

Hello everybody,

Just a quick heads-up: I'm going to branch the edgy-* art packages in a
bit. Meaning that you'll be able to bring freshness into Ubuntu quite
soon.

  * feisty-community-wallpapers,
  * feisty-gdm-themes,
  * feisty-session-splashes,
  * feisty-wallpapers.

will soon turn up in Launchpad (and be translatable, and get bugs,
etc.), so please subscribe the ubuntu-art team to them.


Apart from that, I'd like to drop the individual themes from
ubuntu-artwork. gray-theme, industrialtango-theme, legacyhuman-theme,
outdoors-theme, resilience-theme, silicon-theme have been part of
Ubuntu's default for 2 releases now and I think with feisty we should
add something fresh. This is not my call, but I'd like to discuss it
here.

Thanks for your input.

Have a nice day,
 Daniel



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Re: [ubuntu-art] OrnSoda, new feisty theme

[sittisal]

Il giorno mar, 21/11/2006 alle 20.13 +0100, iacopo masi ha scritto:
> Hello ubunu artworker,
> with the release of edgy we are going through the next major release.
> Like Blubuntu, Tropic and Peace, I have developed/combined a separted
> theme called OranSoda that I hope well be in the 7.04 next release.
> 
> Here at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/OranSoda the new
> spec.

In my opinion this is how OranSoda (great name) shuold look:

http://taimila.com/orange-look.php

OranSoda: less-human, more-orange :-P

Turi


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Re: [ubuntu-art] OrnSoda, new feisty theme

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Il giorno mer, 22/11/2006 alle 13.08 +0100, Iacopo Masi ha scritto:
> >With that kind of stripes, menu become less readable.
> >Something like this is better:
> >http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=48447
> >It's the "fancy" version of Human Murrina.
> >Great look and good taskbar background (it clear icons and font
> >appearence).
> 
> I don't approve the Murrine Fancy Human. Yes it is quite good, but for
> me the striped menu in the menubar do the same as the striped button:
> make things not readable.

Yes, you're right. menubar items should only be higlighted.

> Another disadvantage it that the concave style of FancyHuman does not
> support rounded widget that are more smooth that squared one. 
> Feel free to combine FancyHuman with my gtkrc files and edit the wiki
> with you proposal!

I don't like roundness as they are implemented in murrine. 
It's a kind of rounded square than rounded buttons, that i prefear.

I have to try your gtkrc with FancyHuman

Anyway had you seen the panel background of FancyHuman? I like it very
much, its style is similar to the os x menu bar.

Turi


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Re: [ubuntu-art] OrnSoda, new feisty theme

[Iacopo Masi]

With that kind of stripes, menu become less readable.
Something like this is better:
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=48447
It's the "fancy" version of Human Murrina.
Great look and good taskbar background (it clear icons and font
appearence).


I don't approve the Murrine Fancy Human. Yes it is quite good, but for me
the striped menu in the menubar do the same as the striped button: make
things not readable.
Another disadvantage it that the concave style of FancyHuman does not
support rounded widget that are more smooth that squared one.
Feel free to combine FancyHuman with my gtkrc files and edit the wiki with
you proposal!

Regards,
lizardking

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Re: [ubuntu-art] OrnSoda, new feisty theme

[Iacopo Masi]

Il 22/11/06, Étienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:


Very nice work !
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Re: [ubuntu-art] OrnSoda, new feisty theme

[Étienne Bersac]

Very nice work !
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Re: [ubuntu-art] OrnSoda, new feisty theme

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Il giorno mer, 22/11/2006 alle 09.32 +0100, iacopo masi ha scritto:
> 
> i love it. i'm not a designer, so i feel a bit of apprehension
> about
> criticizing... but i, personally, don't like the stripes in
> the 
> menu-select and the status bars. also, the scroll bars bother
> me. but
> details details.
> 
> what about the replacement of stripes in the menu and scrollbar? if
> you don't like it we can think to mix the engines  in the gtkrc files.
> To have as base the murrine one, but some details that in murrina are
> not good (for you) render by another engines, i.e. ubuntulooks.

With that kind of stripes, menu become less readable.
Something like this is better:
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=48447
It's the "fancy" version of Human Murrina.
Great look and good taskbar background (it clear icons and font
appearence).

Turi.




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Re: [ubuntu-art] OrnSoda, new feisty theme

[iacopo masi]

i love it. i'm not a designer, so i feel a bit of apprehension about
criticizing... but i, personally, don't like the stripes in the
menu-select and the status bars. also, the scroll bars bother me. but
details details.



what about the replacement of stripes in the menu and scrollbar? if you
don't like it we can think to mix the engines  in the gtkrc files. To have
as base the murrine one, but some details that in murrina are not good (for
you) render by another engines, i.e. ubuntulooks.

this is still, overall, a fantastic submission.




thnx ;)


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