Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy artwork

[Jonathan Motes]

I really like the Fela Kuti wallpaper. I think it would be wonderful for
Hardy, especially if it were also integrated with the GDM and splash.
Additionally, it would help bring in the black colors (I haven't seen much
black yet) for the proposed orange and black color scheme.

Jonathan

On Feb 4, 2008 4:53 PM, George Brooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Nice - I'd like to see an entire theme around this wallpaper
>
> solar.george
>
>
> François Degrave wrote:
>
> I really like this wallpaper too : modern, clean,... everything we could
> expect from a wallpaper! I think it would be nice if the login screen
> shared the same colors as the wallpaper, or even the same design.
>
> I quickly made a really rough mockup of it : 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti_Login
>
> Cheers,
>
> François
>
> Dylan McCall a écrit :
>
>
>  Going by the page's revision history, we can see that the Wiki page's
> author (and I would bet the talented artist here) is "nothlit".
> https://launchpad.net/~nothlit  
>  
>
> Bye,
> -Dylan McCall
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Sumit Chandra Agarwal
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> I really love everything about it. No other wallpaper quite says
> "Ubuntu
> is different" from Mac and Vista like this image does. Its
> gender-neutral, hip, and there's a certain wonderful whimsical
> forward-looking emotion captured in that upturned face.
> If Hardy does adopt this, and it is successful, it could also set a
> blueprint for future wallpapers as stylized paintings (with the
> stylization gradually changing to match current cultural styles)
> of the
> release-name-animal.
>
> I hope I'm not getting too excited here,
> -Sumit
> P.S. I wish we knew who the artist was so we could get them on the
> list!
>
> Sav vas wrote:
> > I love it (Fela Kuti). This could very much be the hip wallpaper of
> > hardy, to get away from those "default lines" in the background :)
> >
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] 2D updates

[Iacopo Masi]

In my opinion they looks like very great but what happends if the user
install in the try some application not ubuntu-standard like
glipper,music-applet etc.?

In this case we have two style: tango e that one. Some opinion about that?

On Feb 5, 2008 12:05 AM, Sumit Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Looking good. A bit aliased, but otherwise good. What is that upper
> right-hand icon for? Logout?
> -Sumit
>
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2008 2:57 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > For those who didn't notice it, I've updated the 2D icons in launchpad a
> bit.
> > Attached is a small png file which shows the current stage.
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] 2D updates

[Sumit Agarwal]

Looking good. A bit aliased, but otherwise good. What is that upper
right-hand icon for? Logout?
-Sumit

On Feb 4, 2008 2:57 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For those who didn't notice it, I've updated the 2D icons in launchpad a
> bit.
> Attached is a small png file which shows the current stage.
>
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[ubuntu-art] 2D updates

[Kenneth Wimer]

For those who didn't notice it, I've updated the 2D icons in launchpad a bit. 
Attached is a small png file which shows the current stage.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Quick user switching panel applet. OT?

[George Brooke]

I like the idea of a recently used applications applet which would show 
icons for say the last five programs you launched from the menu.


Andrew Laignel wrote:

I totally agree with this.

Only functions that are used on an extremely regular basis should have 
an icon on the desktop.  I do like the way Ubuntu has a 'places' menu 
along with 'applications' as if your going to do something then it's 
either going to involve a) opening a file or b) running a program 
though, but too many icons just leads to clutter and creates confusion.


I'd go as far as to say that I seriously doubt more than 80% of the 
general population, if exposed to Ubuntu, would ever use the button.  It 
really shouldn't be there as it doesn't deserve the prominence.  I also 
think the addition of the power off button on the main bar is also silly 
for the same reasons - your only ever going to use it max once per session.


I think the power button position is a response to the anti-MS trolling 
of 'You have to click Start to shut down, lol' which is a ridiculous 
complaint.  From a usability point of view calling the button 'Start' 
and making it an entirely different colour draws the attention of the 
users to it.  Metaphorically it means 'Start doing things here'.


Real attention I think should be paid to the Gnome UI layout.  As far as 
I know it is exactly the same as upstream Gnome and I have seen no 
significant changes or improvements since Warty.  There are many ways it 
can be improved upon to streamline workflow, save space and improve 
usability.  Since Ubuntu is 'Linux for human beings' I believe this 
should be given a top priority as user experience is key to retaining 
your userbase.


As an example from Windows XP, the 'new style' Start box has on the left 
hand side a list of your most commonly used applications.  I've set it 
to display 12 at once and you can pin items to it permanently.  As a 
result if you use an app more than a couple of times in future is never 
more than two clicks away with no need to scan a list for it.


Gnome at the moment still has functionality akin to Windows 98 and I 
feel virtually all the effort is on either dealing with bugs or adding 
new software with seemingly virtually no focus from the Ubuntu camp at 
improving Gnome significantly.


I am working on a few potential UI improvement mockups but I am rather 
busy these days.  I believe that the system GUI is one of the most 
important aspects of an OS, and if given sufficient love it would help 
pull Linux into the mainstream.  Users care about looks and usability 
far more than stability and freedom.


Although this is Ubuntu Artwork, I do think Usability should be given a 
top priority, or even it's own list (it deserves it!).


Sumit Chandra Agarwal wrote:
  
I'm not sure if this is quite on-topic for the art list, but it has to 
do with visual presentation so I thought I'd try here first:


As it is the top panel in Ubuntu is as cluttered or more cluttered than 
Windows or Mac desktops, with the addition of another panel at the 
bottom. One item that is significant taking up a lot of space on the 
upper panel is the fast user switching applet, which manifests itself as 
text showing the current user name.


This is a great feature. However, I would *guess* that for greater than 
50% of Ubuntu users this is unnecessary as they are using the machine as 
a *personal* computer and as such they are the only user registered on 
the system. This makes the applet pointless and it only adds to clutter 
and eating away at space.


Could Ubuntu be configured to intelligently only add the applet if there 
is more than one user registered to the system?


Sorry if this is off-topic,
-Sumit

  




  
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Here's my hacked version of clearlooks and 3 themes to go with it. (updated)

[jmak]

+1

On Feb 4, 2008 5:42 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 04/02/2008, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  So for whatever reason the new version of the UbuntuClearlooks theme didn't
> > upload to the wiki.  Didn't realize it until tonight.
> >
> > Here's the latest version with the nicer metacity.The gtk-engines link
> > below is the latest version of my hack.
> >
>
> Just a small pointer for interested parties... There are also
> screenshots at 
> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/SmoothMergedGradients.
> I am saying because it took me a while to realize this :-)
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy artwork

[George Brooke]

Nice - I'd like to see an entire theme around this wallpaper

solar.george

François Degrave wrote:
I really like this wallpaper too : modern, clean,... everything we could 
expect from a wallpaper! I think it would be nice if the login screen 
shared the same colors as the wallpaper, or even the same design.


I quickly made a really rough mockup of it : 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti_Login


Cheers,

François

Dylan McCall a écrit :
  
Going by the page's revision history, we can see that the Wiki page's 
author (and I would bet the talented artist here) is "nothlit".


https://launchpad.net/~nothlit 

Bye,
-Dylan McCall

On Sat, Feb 2, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Sumit Chandra Agarwal 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I really love everything about it. No other wallpaper quite says
"Ubuntu
is different" from Mac and Vista like this image does. Its
gender-neutral, hip, and there's a certain wonderful whimsical
forward-looking emotion captured in that upturned face.
If Hardy does adopt this, and it is successful, it could also set a
blueprint for future wallpapers as stylized paintings (with the
stylization gradually changing to match current cultural styles)
of the
release-name-animal.

I hope I'm not getting too excited here,
-Sumit
P.S. I wish we knew who the artist was so we could get them on the
list!

Sav vas wrote:
> I love it (Fela Kuti). This could very much be the hip wallpaper of
> hardy, to get away from those "default lines" in the background :)
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Parametrisable colors for window borders, system icons and controls

[xl cheese]

I think it's a good idea.  
 
I opened a similar bug a while back and it was also rejected.  
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497116



> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:30:48 +0100> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Parametrisable colors 
> for window borders, system icons and controls> > On 04/02/2008, Kenneth Wimer 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > On Friday 01 February 2008 16:04:53 François 
> Degrave wrote:> > > Hi everyone,> > >> > > I think a new theme which would 
> provide Ubuntu a fresher look would be> > > really useful. However, orange - 
> and brown - are not always the colors> > > people prefer, and even if it was 
> the case, most people like to change> > > the look of the system after a 
> while.> > >> > > I would suggest the whole theme should be parametrisable. 
> The user> > > should be able to choose (within 3 clicks...) not only the 
> color of the> > > window borders, but also the color of the system icons and 
> controls.> >> > I think that this is a very interesting idea but it would be 
> quite a feat to> > pull off, not to mention it being so late in the cycle. I 
> would suggest> > adding this as a blueprint for hardy+1. We'd need more than 
> artwork to> > accomplish this so having things well planned and defined will 
> make it much> > more likely to happen.> >> > > For the moment, the problem is 
> that in order to change the look of the> > > system, the user has to choose 
> another theme than Human (which is the> > > most clean one, but not 
> parametrisable), and then search the internet> > > for icon themes that would 
> match his desires, when parametrisable colors> > > for windows, system icons 
> and controls would make that task easy as can be.> > >> > Regarding changing 
> the colors of the window borders, I actually did a> patch to 
> gnome-appearance-applet to allow color parametrization of the> window frames, 
> see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=498854.> It is simple an 
> non-intrusive.> > It adds an extra "Window frame" button to the Colors tab in 
> the theme> customization dialog, and allows themes to control> 
> @window_{fg,bg}_color in their gtkrc files.> > The problem is that the colors 
> need also be respected in the metacity> themes, so it is not guaranteed to 
> work on all themes. Most will work> though.> > The patch was rejected because 
> it was "bloat". I fail to see how it is> more bloated than allowing to change 
> the colors of the tooltips. Go> figure.> > Maybe if people from ubuntu-art 
> start commenting on that bug... Some> good old lobbying :-)> > Cheers,> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Here's my hacked version of clearlooks and 3 themes to go with it. (updated)

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen]

On 04/02/2008, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  So for whatever reason the new version of the UbuntuClearlooks theme didn't
> upload to the wiki.  Didn't realize it until tonight.
>
> Here's the latest version with the nicer metacity.The gtk-engines link
> below is the latest version of my hack.
>

Just a small pointer for interested parties... There are also
screenshots at 
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/SmoothMergedGradients.
I am saying because it took me a while to realize this :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Parametrisable colors for window borders, system icons and controls

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen]

On 04/02/2008, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 01 February 2008 16:04:53 François Degrave wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I think a new theme which would provide Ubuntu a fresher look would be
> > really useful. However, orange - and brown - are not always the colors
> > people prefer, and even if it was the case, most people like to change
> > the look of the system after a while.
> >
> > I would suggest the whole theme should be parametrisable. The user
> > should be able to choose (within 3 clicks...) not only the color of the
> > window borders, but also the color of the system icons and controls.
>
> I think that this is a very interesting idea but it would be quite a feat to
> pull off, not to mention it being so late in the cycle. I would suggest
> adding this as a blueprint for hardy+1. We'd need more than artwork to
> accomplish this so having things well planned and defined will make it much
> more likely to happen.
>
> > For the moment, the problem is that in order to change the look of the
> > system, the user has to choose another theme than Human (which is the
> > most clean one, but not parametrisable), and then search the internet
> > for icon themes that would match his desires, when parametrisable colors
> > for windows, system icons and controls would make that task easy as can be.
> >

Regarding changing the colors of the window borders, I actually did a
patch to gnome-appearance-applet to allow color parametrization of the
window frames, see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=498854.
It is simple an non-intrusive.

It adds an extra "Window frame" button to the Colors tab in the theme
customization dialog, and allows themes to control
@window_{fg,bg}_color in their gtkrc files.

The problem is that the colors need also be respected in the metacity
themes, so it is not guaranteed to work on all themes. Most will work
though.

The patch was rejected because it was "bloat". I fail to see how it is
more bloated than allowing to change the colors of the tooltips. Go
figure.

Maybe if people from ubuntu-art start commenting on that bug... Some
good old lobbying :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy artwork

[sylvain marc]

VERRY GOOD !
I want it in the 8.04 !

2008/2/4, François Degrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I really like this wallpaper too : modern, clean,... everything we could
> expect from a wallpaper! I think it would be nice if the login screen
> shared the same colors as the wallpaper, or even the same design.
>
> I quickly made a really rough mockup of it :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti_Login
>
> Cheers,
>
> François
>
> Dylan McCall a écrit :
> > Going by the page's revision history, we can see that the Wiki page's
> > author (and I would bet the talented artist here) is "nothlit".
> >
> > https://launchpad.net/~nothlit 
> >
> > Bye,
> > -Dylan McCall
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 2, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Sumit Chandra Agarwal
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > I really love everything about it. No other wallpaper quite says
> > "Ubuntu
> > is different" from Mac and Vista like this image does. Its
> > gender-neutral, hip, and there's a certain wonderful whimsical
> > forward-looking emotion captured in that upturned face.
> > If Hardy does adopt this, and it is successful, it could also set a
> > blueprint for future wallpapers as stylized paintings (with the
> > stylization gradually changing to match current cultural styles)
> > of the
> > release-name-animal.
> >
> > I hope I'm not getting too excited here,
> > -Sumit
> > P.S. I wish we knew who the artist was so we could get them on the
> > list!
> >
> > Sav vas wrote:
> > > I love it (Fela Kuti). This could very much be the hip wallpaper
> of
> > > hardy, to get away from those "default lines" in the background :)
> > >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] How to find the right wallpaper...

[Kenneth Wimer]

I am looking into the possiblity of including a new wallpaper and will let 
everyone know what comes out of it. Personally, it does sound like a good 
idea to test things out  - I am sure that seeing a noticeable change might be 
interesting. I'll add this to the items for the next meeting as well.

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On Saturday 02 February 2008 18:25:29 Dylan McCall wrote:
> I thought Gutsy had a lot of wallpaper suggestions, but the response for
> Hardy is phenomenal! What's more? These are all great.
>
> Of course, Mark has the final pick here, but I think something should be in
> place to guage the community's interests - a lot of people running the
> Hardy alphas seem to pay little attention to the wiki or mailing lists. I
> think it would make sense to be trying a different potential wallpaper in
> the alpha every week or so, such that all the users can voice their
> thoughts and concerns. It would make a lot more sense to try these out
> early than to try picking one and see how it goes at the last minute.
> Note that I am not pondering a vote, but an efficient and straight-forward
> way that we could decide which wallpapers do and do not work well in
> action.
>
> Bye,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] wav instead of ogg - ATTN KEN (kwwii)

[Kenneth Wimer]

Hi all,

The problems with the flood of email with attachements was somewhat my fault. 
Coz had sent several emails trying to post to the list which got caught in 
the queue. When I went through the queue a few days later I mistakingly 
allowed all the emails through and not just one (as I thought I had done). I 
realized my mistakes minutes later when I opened my email client but by then 
it was too late.

I have no problems with people attaching some small files if it helps to 
explain the content of the email. In this case it would have been better to 
point to a website or put it on the wiki...a link would have been more than 
enough :-)

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P.S. I'll look at the list admin interface to see if I can limit the size of 
the attachments.

On Saturday 02 February 2008 09:24:09 Troy James Sobotka wrote:
> Carlos Moreno wrote:
> > If that's not the case in this list  (that is, if this list is intended
> > for people to send files as attachments), please guys let me
> > know, in which case I would be forced to unsubscribe from
> > the list.
>
> Ken - perhaps we should announce this as a rule for the list to abide by?
>
> I have been under the impression that smaller attachments were
> acceptable, but perhaps this view suffers from poor optics based on the
> varying levels of connection.
>
> I would forward a motion to ban all attachments from this list in the
> interest of keeping _everyone_ able to participate in the discussions.
> From this point onwards, no attachments would be considered acceptable
> with a link to the threads when someone 'violates' the conduct.
> Acceptable means of presenting work would then fall into the URL link
> format to an external source.  This could also be coupled with a file
> size / thumbnail warning etc.
>
> Trying desperately to not be too 'political' about this, but I feel
> losing list participants is far more detrimental than deterring
> attachments.
>
> Fair?
>
> Sincerely,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Quick user switching panel applet. OT?

[Miquel Tarazona Belenguer]

I Agree, I don0t like the fast user switching applet in my
one-user-system, but... I love the powweroff button since it also works
to lock the screen or close session... but it's on System's Menu. I
think it's prefereable to leave it in the main bar, user's can remove it
in an easy way, so I don't see any problem with the power off button in
the main bar.

About the fast program access, I agree. I'm testing KDE 4's new menu and
it seems very usefull, but... THERE's a better idea:
Automatically add the N (5, 7 or 12, what you want) most often used
programs into the main bar. Almost all of you add a quick launch icon to
your panel (I've got the terminal, firefox, evolution and liferea) so,
why not automatically add the most often used apps? I think it's the
best way to improve usability.

El dl 04 de 02 del 2008 a les 17:06 +, en/na Andrew Laignel va
escriure:
> I totally agree with this.
> 
> Only functions that are used on an extremely regular basis should have 
> an icon on the desktop.  I do like the way Ubuntu has a 'places' menu 
> along with 'applications' as if your going to do something then it's 
> either going to involve a) opening a file or b) running a program 
> though, but too many icons just leads to clutter and creates confusion.
> 
> I'd go as far as to say that I seriously doubt more than 80% of the 
> general population, if exposed to Ubuntu, would ever use the button.  It 
> really shouldn't be there as it doesn't deserve the prominence.  I also 
> think the addition of the power off button on the main bar is also silly 
> for the same reasons - your only ever going to use it max once per session.
> 
> I think the power button position is a response to the anti-MS trolling 
> of 'You have to click Start to shut down, lol' which is a ridiculous 
> complaint.  From a usability point of view calling the button 'Start' 
> and making it an entirely different colour draws the attention of the 
> users to it.  Metaphorically it means 'Start doing things here'.
> 
> Real attention I think should be paid to the Gnome UI layout.  As far as 
> I know it is exactly the same as upstream Gnome and I have seen no 
> significant changes or improvements since Warty.  There are many ways it 
> can be improved upon to streamline workflow, save space and improve 
> usability.  Since Ubuntu is 'Linux for human beings' I believe this 
> should be given a top priority as user experience is key to retaining 
> your userbase.
> 
> As an example from Windows XP, the 'new style' Start box has on the left 
> hand side a list of your most commonly used applications.  I've set it 
> to display 12 at once and you can pin items to it permanently.  As a 
> result if you use an app more than a couple of times in future is never 
> more than two clicks away with no need to scan a list for it.
> 
> Gnome at the moment still has functionality akin to Windows 98 and I 
> feel virtually all the effort is on either dealing with bugs or adding 
> new software with seemingly virtually no focus from the Ubuntu camp at 
> improving Gnome significantly.
> 
> I am working on a few potential UI improvement mockups but I am rather 
> busy these days.  I believe that the system GUI is one of the most 
> important aspects of an OS, and if given sufficient love it would help 
> pull Linux into the mainstream.  Users care about looks and usability 
> far more than stability and freedom.
> 
> Although this is Ubuntu Artwork, I do think Usability should be given a 
> top priority, or even it's own list (it deserves it!).
> 
> Sumit Chandra Agarwal wrote:
> > I'm not sure if this is quite on-topic for the art list, but it has to 
> > do with visual presentation so I thought I'd try here first:
> >
> > As it is the top panel in Ubuntu is as cluttered or more cluttered than 
> > Windows or Mac desktops, with the addition of another panel at the 
> > bottom. One item that is significant taking up a lot of space on the 
> > upper panel is the fast user switching applet, which manifests itself as 
> > text showing the current user name.
> >
> > This is a great feature. However, I would *guess* that for greater than 
> > 50% of Ubuntu users this is unnecessary as they are using the machine as 
> > a *personal* computer and as such they are the only user registered on 
> > the system. This makes the applet pointless and it only adds to clutter 
> > and eating away at space.
> >
> > Could Ubuntu be configured to intelligently only add the applet if there 
> > is more than one user registered to the system?
> >
> > Sorry if this is off-topic,
> > -Sumit
> >
> >   
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] wav instead of ogg

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Sunday 03 February 2008 21:21:20 Sumit Chandra Agarwal wrote:
>  Though I'm very new to all this, I couldn't see it being useful to take a
> defeatist view. You're probably right about the mailing lists, though. But
> I think it should be possible to assemble capable teams to push Ubuntu
> forward, as long as there is the a surrounding culture and framework that
> nurtures it. Have you seen KDE 4? Its pretty amazing what that team has
> accomplished and I'm looking forward to giving the next Kubuntu a spin
> because of it. It should be noted however that it seems KDE does also
> organize around mailing lists. -Sumit

I think that Troy is being a realist, actually :-)

In my honest opinion the infrastructure is there for everything to work but 
several elements are still missing. We are trying to build an effective team 
not just a large interested community lacking contributions but this takes 
time.

In case you didn't know I am one of the people who, about 3 years ago, began 
schemeing and planning on how to make kde4 artwork what it is today - we 
named it Oxygen much later :-). The process of moving from no-team to team 
is, in and of itself quite hard - even harder is moving and motivating people 
in an existing team (which happens to have a high amount of members but a 
smaller number of experienced, knowelgable contributors).

As far as infrastrucuture goes I think the wiki, mailing list and irc channel 
have proven to be the most effective channels of communication. I have no 
problem with someone wanting to disperse information in another manner but as 
the wiki and mailing list are the "official sources of information" anything 
else tends to be more a forum for knowlegable users than a place for artistic 
contribution and coordination.

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>  Troy James Sobotka wrote:
> Sumit Chandra Agarwal wrote:
>
> I agree with coz on some points below, except rather than his impressive
> several years on the team, I'm speaking from the vantage point of a
> newcomer.
>
> Coming into the community it was fairly surprising to see that art
> development in Ubuntu is chiefly handled through a poorly organized wiki
> (such is the nature of wikis, eh?) and an archaic mailing list.
>
> A proper forum with image posts, etc seems like the perfect plan. It
> would also make discussion and commenting far easier than the current
> wiki (which is why, I assume, most discussion ends up occurring on the
> mailing list instead).
>
>
> Try reading through the history of mailing list archives.
>
> 1) There isn't any real development.  There never has been.
>
> 2) The forum idea comes up again and again.  There has been an external
> site out there and it was neglected THREE times.  There is yet another
> one coming.  Matthew Nuzum could probably tell you when.  I believe it
> is in code review.
>
> 3) Mailing lists _work_.  If you don't agree, perhaps you should examine
> the manner in which about 99% of FOSS is developed.
>
> 4) For people with careers, less is more.  Fewer areas to scan makes it
> easier to engage the process.  This has been covered time and time
> again, and I believe Ken has officially stated something that rather
> echoes a similar idea.
>
> The 'problem' with Ubuntu art and design has nothing to do with any
> process, tool, etc.  It has to do entirely with larger issues at hand
> beyond the scope of any team.
>
> Sincerely,
> TJS

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Quick user switching panel applet. OT?

[Andrew Laignel]

I totally agree with this.

Only functions that are used on an extremely regular basis should have 
an icon on the desktop.  I do like the way Ubuntu has a 'places' menu 
along with 'applications' as if your going to do something then it's 
either going to involve a) opening a file or b) running a program 
though, but too many icons just leads to clutter and creates confusion.

I'd go as far as to say that I seriously doubt more than 80% of the 
general population, if exposed to Ubuntu, would ever use the button.  It 
really shouldn't be there as it doesn't deserve the prominence.  I also 
think the addition of the power off button on the main bar is also silly 
for the same reasons - your only ever going to use it max once per session.

I think the power button position is a response to the anti-MS trolling 
of 'You have to click Start to shut down, lol' which is a ridiculous 
complaint.  From a usability point of view calling the button 'Start' 
and making it an entirely different colour draws the attention of the 
users to it.  Metaphorically it means 'Start doing things here'.

Real attention I think should be paid to the Gnome UI layout.  As far as 
I know it is exactly the same as upstream Gnome and I have seen no 
significant changes or improvements since Warty.  There are many ways it 
can be improved upon to streamline workflow, save space and improve 
usability.  Since Ubuntu is 'Linux for human beings' I believe this 
should be given a top priority as user experience is key to retaining 
your userbase.

As an example from Windows XP, the 'new style' Start box has on the left 
hand side a list of your most commonly used applications.  I've set it 
to display 12 at once and you can pin items to it permanently.  As a 
result if you use an app more than a couple of times in future is never 
more than two clicks away with no need to scan a list for it.

Gnome at the moment still has functionality akin to Windows 98 and I 
feel virtually all the effort is on either dealing with bugs or adding 
new software with seemingly virtually no focus from the Ubuntu camp at 
improving Gnome significantly.

I am working on a few potential UI improvement mockups but I am rather 
busy these days.  I believe that the system GUI is one of the most 
important aspects of an OS, and if given sufficient love it would help 
pull Linux into the mainstream.  Users care about looks and usability 
far more than stability and freedom.

Although this is Ubuntu Artwork, I do think Usability should be given a 
top priority, or even it's own list (it deserves it!).

Sumit Chandra Agarwal wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is quite on-topic for the art list, but it has to 
> do with visual presentation so I thought I'd try here first:
>
> As it is the top panel in Ubuntu is as cluttered or more cluttered than 
> Windows or Mac desktops, with the addition of another panel at the 
> bottom. One item that is significant taking up a lot of space on the 
> upper panel is the fast user switching applet, which manifests itself as 
> text showing the current user name.
>
> This is a great feature. However, I would *guess* that for greater than 
> 50% of Ubuntu users this is unnecessary as they are using the machine as 
> a *personal* computer and as such they are the only user registered on 
> the system. This makes the applet pointless and it only adds to clutter 
> and eating away at space.
>
> Could Ubuntu be configured to intelligently only add the applet if there 
> is more than one user registered to the system?
>
> Sorry if this is off-topic,
> -Sumit
>
>   


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Parametrisable colors for window borders, system icons and controls

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Friday 01 February 2008 16:04:53 François Degrave wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I think a new theme which would provide Ubuntu a fresher look would be
> really useful. However, orange - and brown - are not always the colors
> people prefer, and even if it was the case, most people like to change
> the look of the system after a while.
>
> I would suggest the whole theme should be parametrisable. The user
> should be able to choose (within 3 clicks...) not only the color of the
> window borders, but also the color of the system icons and controls.

I think that this is a very interesting idea but it would be quite a feat to 
pull off, not to mention it being so late in the cycle. I would suggest 
adding this as a blueprint for hardy+1. We'd need more than artwork to 
accomplish this so having things well planned and defined will make it much 
more likely to happen.

> For the moment, the problem is that in order to change the look of the
> system, the user has to choose another theme than Human (which is the
> most clean one, but not parametrisable), and then search the internet
> for icon themes that would match his desires, when parametrisable colors
> for windows, system icons and controls would make that task easy as can be.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper: Brown and exciting

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Friday 01 February 2008 02:44:13 Who wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I spent a few hours just playing the other night as I wanted to relax
> and I ended up with the wallpaper that can be seen at
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/UbuntuExplosion
>
> Feedback would be much appreciated

Nice! It gives a nice spatial feel but is still quite simple. One thing I 
noted is that the yellow tones make it kinda hard to bear on the defualt 
desktop setup. Is there a possiblity of "brown-ifying" it a bit?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] away from my mail

[Iacopo Masi]

Happy birthday to you!

On Feb 3, 2008 11:26 PM, sylvain marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Happy birthday Ken
>
> 2008/2/2, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm spending today and part of tomorrow celebrating my birthday so all
> pending
> > artwork issues (and emails) might not be answered for a couple of days.
> Don't
> > take it personally, we all need a day off now and then :-)
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy artwork

[François Degrave]

I really like this wallpaper too : modern, clean,... everything we could 
expect from a wallpaper! I think it would be nice if the login screen 
shared the same colors as the wallpaper, or even the same design.

I quickly made a really rough mockup of it : 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti_Login

Cheers,

François

Dylan McCall a écrit :
> Going by the page's revision history, we can see that the Wiki page's 
> author (and I would bet the talented artist here) is "nothlit".
>
> https://launchpad.net/~nothlit 
>
> Bye,
> -Dylan McCall
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Sumit Chandra Agarwal 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> I really love everything about it. No other wallpaper quite says
> "Ubuntu
> is different" from Mac and Vista like this image does. Its
> gender-neutral, hip, and there's a certain wonderful whimsical
> forward-looking emotion captured in that upturned face.
> If Hardy does adopt this, and it is successful, it could also set a
> blueprint for future wallpapers as stylized paintings (with the
> stylization gradually changing to match current cultural styles)
> of the
> release-name-animal.
>
> I hope I'm not getting too excited here,
> -Sumit
> P.S. I wish we knew who the artist was so we could get them on the
> list!
>
> Sav vas wrote:
> > I love it (Fela Kuti). This could very much be the hip wallpaper of
> > hardy, to get away from those "default lines" in the background :)
> >
> >
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