On Sunday 03 February 2008 21:21:20 Sumit Chandra Agarwal wrote: > Though I'm very new to all this, I couldn't see it being useful to take a > defeatist view. You're probably right about the mailing lists, though. But > I think it should be possible to assemble capable teams to push Ubuntu > forward, as long as there is the a surrounding culture and framework that > nurtures it. Have you seen KDE 4? Its pretty amazing what that team has > accomplished and I'm looking forward to giving the next Kubuntu a spin > because of it. It should be noted however that it seems KDE does also > organize around mailing lists. -Sumit
I think that Troy is being a realist, actually :-) In my honest opinion the infrastructure is there for everything to work but several elements are still missing. We are trying to build an effective team not just a large interested community lacking contributions but this takes time. In case you didn't know I am one of the people who, about 3 years ago, began schemeing and planning on how to make kde4 artwork what it is today - we named it Oxygen much later :-). The process of moving from no-team to team is, in and of itself quite hard - even harder is moving and motivating people in an existing team (which happens to have a high amount of members but a smaller number of experienced, knowelgable contributors). As far as infrastrucuture goes I think the wiki, mailing list and irc channel have proven to be the most effective channels of communication. I have no problem with someone wanting to disperse information in another manner but as the wiki and mailing list are the "official sources of information" anything else tends to be more a forum for knowlegable users than a place for artistic contribution and coordination. -- Ken > Troy James Sobotka wrote: > Sumit Chandra Agarwal wrote: > > I agree with coz on some points below, except rather than his impressive > several years on the team, I'm speaking from the vantage point of a > newcomer. > > Coming into the community it was fairly surprising to see that art > development in Ubuntu is chiefly handled through a poorly organized wiki > (such is the nature of wikis, eh?) and an archaic mailing list. > > A proper forum with image posts, etc seems like the perfect plan. It > would also make discussion and commenting far easier than the current > wiki (which is why, I assume, most discussion ends up occurring on the > mailing list instead). > > > Try reading through the history of mailing list archives. > > 1) There isn't any real development. There never has been. > > 2) The forum idea comes up again and again. There has been an external > site out there and it was neglected THREE times. There is yet another > one coming. Matthew Nuzum could probably tell you when. I believe it > is in code review. > > 3) Mailing lists _work_. If you don't agree, perhaps you should examine > the manner in which about 99% of FOSS is developed. > > 4) For people with careers, less is more. Fewer areas to scan makes it > easier to engage the process. This has been covered time and time > again, and I believe Ken has officially stated something that rather > echoes a similar idea. > > The 'problem' with Ubuntu art and design has nothing to do with any > process, tool, etc. It has to do entirely with larger issues at hand > beyond the scope of any team. > > Sincerely, > TJS -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
