Re: [ubuntu-art] Linework (WAS creamlooks-gtk)
While they're at it, we could use some other hacks too that are in a somewhat similar vein. Most of all the hack I would love (and think is fairly crucial) is the ability to specify different scrollbars/titlebar widgets with active and inactive windows. How many times have you tried to scroll a window but accidentally scrolled an underlying window instead? Even worse, how many times have you tried to close an active window and accidentally closed and underlying window instead? Thanks for changing the subject heading! -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Troy James Sobotka wrote: > George Brooke wrote: >> Is is not possible to have a wider window border appear when your >> mouse >> hovers near the edge of the window or would this not be possible with >> current GTK/Meatacity themes? > > Not possible. > > The ubuntu-art crowd has grown to include a few coders however. > Perhaps > one of them might be able to kludge a hack together as a proof of > principle. > > Sincerely, > TJS > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Linework (WAS creamlooks-gtk)
George Brooke wrote: > Is is not possible to have a wider window border appear when your mouse > hovers near the edge of the window or would this not be possible with > current GTK/Meatacity themes? Not possible. The ubuntu-art crowd has grown to include a few coders however. Perhaps one of them might be able to kludge a hack together as a proof of principle. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Is is not possible to have a wider window border appear when your mouse hovers near the edge of the window or would this not be possible with current GTK/Meatacity themes? solar.george On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:36:44 -0700 Sumit Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, this is somewhat true, but wouldn't at least the titlebar edges > remain grab-able? It also begs a question I personally have been > wondering for some time: is it possible to force GNOME to draw a > resizer in the corner on all windows, including those lacking a > status- bar? > -Sumit > > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Cory K. wrote: > > > Sumit Agarwal wrote: > >> I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course > >> that necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. > >> > >> I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to > >> professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see > >> it right > >> now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME > >> style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating > >> for no > >> good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux > >> set? > >> Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). > >> > >> -Sumit > > > > Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows > > properly. > > A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being > > able to grab the corners. > > > > -Cory K. > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Hrm, I'm not sure I'm following your first point. Precisely what I was arguing was that most users are *not* aware that ALT-TAB cycles through windows, and that such behavior is not intuitive (though useful). ALT-LMB grabbing a window is news even to me ;) But your TabletPC suggestion is interesting, possibly even for other input devices as well. What it amounts to is a sort of 'invisible' multi-pixel window border. The best of both worlds? Maybe. I worry about a situation in which a user needs to manipulate pixels at the edge of a window, but the solution is simply to have it only switch to resize behavior *outside* of the application window, exactly like a window border. This might be perceived as interfering with underlying windows, but how many people select an underlying window by clicking it within 3 pixels of an overlaying window? This solution would also eliminate the need for a corner resize grip. Overall, I think it would be an exceptionally intuitive, naturalistic, and space-efficient solution. We still need single-pixel borders for non-compositing window managers, but with compositing window managers that border can be eliminated entirely in favor of a drop shadow. -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: > ..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 04:35:34PM -0700, Sumit Agarwal > said: >> It doesn't fall under K.I.S.S. because 90+% of users would never >> dream >> that a keyboard button would function as a toggle upon the cursor. > > then how does it somehow occur to them that ALT-LMB will grab a > window? > that ALT-TAB cycles though windows? > >> >> If you can't get around just fine without a keyboard plugged in, you >> haven't succeeded in your interface design. You wouldn't believe how >> many Windows users are stunned when I use CTRL+C, CTRL+V, ALT+ESC, >> and >> ALT+TAB. Despite these functions being present since time immemorial, >> most people are still completely unaware of it. >> >> Oh, and I have a TabletPC, so while I like keyboard shortcuts, I >> don't >> like to be forced to use them ;) > > the TabletPC is a case i hadn't considered. a solution may be to have > the cursor change to a resize graphic when the pointer is within 3 > pixels of the window edge. this would also make it more apparent for > those transitioning from other windowing environments. > > cheers, > > -- > julian oliver > http://julianoliver.com > http://selectparks.net > messages containing HTML will not be read. >> >> >> On Mar 21, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: >> >>> ..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 01:00:22PM -0500, xl cheese >>> said: There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully transparent? >>> >>> it seems strange to me that the borders of windows would be made >>> thicker >>> /all the time/ just so they could make better click targets when >>> someone >>> needs to resize. >>> >>> why not just use a keyboard bind? hold down ALT when near an edge or >>> corner to resize. if within range (4 pixels) the cursor changes to a >>> resize cursor. >>> >>> it works with my current window manager just fine. GNOME should do >>> it >>> too and free up those precious pixels - a lesson in K.I.S.S. >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> -- >>> julian oliver >>> http://julianoliver.com >>> http://selectparks.net >>> messages containing HTML will not be read. >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-art mailing list >>> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 04:35:34PM -0700, Sumit Agarwal said: > It doesn't fall under K.I.S.S. because 90+% of users would never dream > that a keyboard button would function as a toggle upon the cursor. then how does it somehow occur to them that ALT-LMB will grab a window? that ALT-TAB cycles though windows? > > If you can't get around just fine without a keyboard plugged in, you > haven't succeeded in your interface design. You wouldn't believe how > many Windows users are stunned when I use CTRL+C, CTRL+V, ALT+ESC, and > ALT+TAB. Despite these functions being present since time immemorial, > most people are still completely unaware of it. > > Oh, and I have a TabletPC, so while I like keyboard shortcuts, I don't > like to be forced to use them ;) the TabletPC is a case i hadn't considered. a solution may be to have the cursor change to a resize graphic when the pointer is within 3 pixels of the window edge. this would also make it more apparent for those transitioning from other windowing environments. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. > > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: > > > ..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 01:00:22PM -0500, xl cheese said: > >> > >> There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize > >> the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to > >> make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. > >> I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. > >> > >> With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would > >> be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully > >> transparent? > > > > it seems strange to me that the borders of windows would be made > > thicker > > /all the time/ just so they could make better click targets when > > someone > > needs to resize. > > > > why not just use a keyboard bind? hold down ALT when near an edge or > > corner to resize. if within range (4 pixels) the cursor changes to a > > resize cursor. > > > > it works with my current window manager just fine. GNOME should do it > > too and free up those precious pixels - a lesson in K.I.S.S. > > > > cheers, > > > > -- > > julian oliver > > http://julianoliver.com > > http://selectparks.net > > messages containing HTML will not be read. > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
It doesn't fall under K.I.S.S. because 90+% of users would never dream that a keyboard button would function as a toggle upon the cursor. If you can't get around just fine without a keyboard plugged in, you haven't succeeded in your interface design. You wouldn't believe how many Windows users are stunned when I use CTRL+C, CTRL+V, ALT+ESC, and ALT+TAB. Despite these functions being present since time immemorial, most people are still completely unaware of it. Oh, and I have a TabletPC, so while I like keyboard shortcuts, I don't like to be forced to use them ;) -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: > ..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 01:00:22PM -0500, xl cheese said: >> >> There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize >> the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to >> make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. >> I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. >> >> With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would >> be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully >> transparent? > > it seems strange to me that the borders of windows would be made > thicker > /all the time/ just so they could make better click targets when > someone > needs to resize. > > why not just use a keyboard bind? hold down ALT when near an edge or > corner to resize. if within range (4 pixels) the cursor changes to a > resize cursor. > > it works with my current window manager just fine. GNOME should do it > too and free up those precious pixels - a lesson in K.I.S.S. > > cheers, > > -- > julian oliver > http://julianoliver.com > http://selectparks.net > messages containing HTML will not be read. > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Simple Hardy theme proposal: Orange Glossy (or Clearlooks)
Good choice of colors ! 2008/3/21, Greg K Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Try this: in System → Preferences → Appearance → Theme → Customise: > > 1. set your Controls to Glossy (or alternatively, Clearlooks) > 2. set your Window Border to Glossy (alternatively, Clearlooks; for the > extra-conservative, Human) > 3. change all the text colours to black > 4. change selected items' background colour to #D98F34 > 5. change windows' background colour to #EDE7E1 > 6. leave input boxes' backgrounds white, and tooltips at their default > colour > 7. use whatever icon theme you like (Human will do) > 8. imagine this as the default theme for Hardy > > (Step 8 is very important.) > > This theme complements Hardy's default wallpaper (and its simple > variant) very nicely; it's a complete stylistic refresh from previous > releases, but based on a mature engine; and it's doable *now* (you just > did it, assuming you were playing along). > > (One minor downside: Ubuntu hardcodes an accent colour in system tray > bubble notifications; its dark yellow clashes slightly with Glossy's > orange tooltips. So either that bug would need to be fixed (the > hardcoding part – the visual style needn't change) or Clearlooks > controls would have to be used instead of Glossy.) > -- > Greg K Nicholson > > > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:35:26PM +0100, Julian Oliver said: > > personally, i prefer to use DWM as my primary work WM. in my setup i > have 1 pixel thin border for all windows. when near the corner of any > window i can simply hit ALT-LMB and the cursor changes to the resize > cursor. it's simple. i really like it. > oops, i meant ALT-RMB for resizing windows. ALT-LMB works just as it does in GNOME. chars, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 01:00:22PM -0500, xl cheese said: > > There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize the window > as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to make a transparent > border that was thicker so it would be easier. I think that bug was closed > and labeled not a bug. > > With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would be > possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully transparent? it seems strange to me that the borders of windows would be made thicker /all the time/ just so they could make better click targets when someone needs to resize. why not just use a keyboard bind? hold down ALT when near an edge or corner to resize. if within range (4 pixels) the cursor changes to a resize cursor. it works with my current window manager just fine. GNOME should do it too and free up those precious pixels - a lesson in K.I.S.S. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:46:03PM -0400, Cory K. said: > Sumit Agarwal wrote: > > I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that > > necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. > > > > I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to > > professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right > > now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME > > style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no > > good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? > > Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). > > > > -Sumit > > Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows properly. > A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being > able to grab the corners. personally, i prefer to use DWM as my primary work WM. in my setup i have 1 pixel thin border for all windows. when near the corner of any window i can simply hit ALT-LMB and the cursor changes to the resize cursor. it's simple. i really like it. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I think that John Hicks' design is a perfect target goal for Ubuntu art. One of the strongest strengths of his design is that it does not attempt to be 'Windowsish', 'Macish', or 'Vistaish'. Its an independent highly-effective attractive and usable style. One of the main goals in Firefox 3 is to better visually integrate the application into its host OS's. Some have complained that this is resulting in a dilution in the Mozilla 'brand'. Overall I agree with this goal because most users spend the majority of their day inside their web browser. However, it poses a specific problem with the Linux version because, obviously, there is no standard Linux look. So the Firefox team seems to have settled on a Tango/GTK look. I think this is a huge mistake. Firstly, it ignores KDE users (who should switch from Konqueror to Firefox!) and anyone with even a vague sense of style who is likely to have already changed from the default GTK theme. So, I really think the Firefox team should take advantage of Firefox 3 on Linux as an opportunity to 'define the Firefox brand'. Away from the preset styles of Windows and Mac, Linux is a chance to build a whole identity for Mozilla around the base concepts introduced by John Hicks' work. And being that even within Linux most users spend so much of their time within Firefox and Thunderbird, maybe we could have a faint glimmer of hope that stylistic changes in Firefox/Thunderbird will cascade through the rest of the open-source community. It seems to me that the GNOME/GTK attitude to updating the visual style really comes down to 1) it works 2) the million+ of us can't agree on a new look and 3) who are YOU to decide what MY desktop looks like?! This is stupid. As it stands, despite the 'open' nature of GNOME/GTK, the power to decide what it looks like is in the hands of a few people. The people who created the original style a decade ago. These same people in all likelihood have moved on to favoring more modern looks, but even they can't decide what mine and your desktops look like, although they did exactly that at one point. Maybe GNOME/GTK needs a Linus Torvalds or Steve Jobs? Somebody who ultimately approves what gets added and what gets changed, and, more importantly, sets the vision for the future? The problem with this idea of course is 1) who picks this person? 2) HOW do those people pick this person and 3) even if we had a leader like that, there are few leaders in the world with the skills and intuition of Linus Torvalds or Steve Jobs. I'm not sure what your point is about Western art ;) afterall, Asian sumi-e painting is particularly effective at using rich textures without gaudy colors or unnecessary outlines. -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Troy James Sobotka wrote: > Sumit Agarwal wrote: >> As I see it right >> now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME >> style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for >> no >> good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux >> set? >> Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). > > Julian Oliver wrote: >> i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent >> border around the windows. > > Agree 100% with these two comments. > > The main issue here is that both Tango and the resultant 'style' is an > extremely far cry from communicating anything close to ideas such as > "elegant" or "graceful". > > The resultant look, with its reliance on heavy, thick, rounded border > lines -- including the insistence on GTK control border lines -- would > probably have descriptive words such as "bulbous" and "clunky" chosen > when offered up on a multiple choice poll. > > I have long been extremely vocal about this facet of Ubuntu, but alas, > the inevitable fallacy of the usability factor is brought up, and the > status quo keeps marching along - as opposed to actually examining the > issue at hand. > > To compare, have a peek at the beautiful John Hicks work for the > Thunderbird and Firefox icons ( > http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/work/mozilla-logos ) against just about > any > of the Crayola inspired elements Gnome has. > > Again, this is about associations, and thick outlines / borders / > control lines have no place if one is trying to communicate an element > of grace or elegance in westernized art. What are we saying to our > audience? > > > Sincerely, > TJS > > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Sumit Agarwal wrote: > As I see it right > now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME > style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no > good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? > Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). Julian Oliver wrote: > i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent > border around the windows. Agree 100% with these two comments. The main issue here is that both Tango and the resultant 'style' is an extremely far cry from communicating anything close to ideas such as "elegant" or "graceful". The resultant look, with its reliance on heavy, thick, rounded border lines -- including the insistence on GTK control border lines -- would probably have descriptive words such as "bulbous" and "clunky" chosen when offered up on a multiple choice poll. I have long been extremely vocal about this facet of Ubuntu, but alas, the inevitable fallacy of the usability factor is brought up, and the status quo keeps marching along - as opposed to actually examining the issue at hand. To compare, have a peek at the beautiful John Hicks work for the Thunderbird and Firefox icons ( http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/work/mozilla-logos ) against just about any of the Crayola inspired elements Gnome has. Again, this is about associations, and thick outlines / borders / control lines have no place if one is trying to communicate an element of grace or elegance in westernized art. What are we saying to our audience? Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
For basic interface issues I strongly believe we should not rely on graphic/processing-intense features (which is part of why I think the drop shadows should also not be relied upon). Ubuntu needs to maintain identical usability on powerful or legacy systems, with the addition that on a powerful system there is essentially a 'make pretty' button (which there is!). That said, I find myself stunned by how responsive Mac OS 10.4 is on a Pentium M 1.4Ghz machine with absolutely no graphic acceleration (just make sure v-sync is disabled!). To summarize: the borders need to be sufficient to distinguish one window from another (otherwise the white space of one document may bleed into an underlying white window), but preferably the borders should not be any larger than required for this (again, drop shadows essentially negate this need, or replace this need). If it were my call, I'd ask for 1-pixel borders and a forced resize grip in the bottom-right corner of every window. This, along with gripable title- bars, I think would be a good solution, but every taste differs and it should be noted that the Vista team, with its broad mainstream target, seemed to think huge bloated borders were best. I think Vista's large borders were just included to show off Aeroglass, not for functionality or usability. However, they keep those huge ugly borders even when Aero is switched off or unavailable. -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 11:00 AM, xl cheese wrote: There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully transparent? > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:46:03 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk > > Sumit Agarwal wrote: > > I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that > > necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. > > > > I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to > > professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right > > now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME > > style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no > > good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? > > Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). > > > > -Sumit > > Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows properly. > A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being > able to grab the corners. > > -Cory K. > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully transparent? > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:46:03 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk > > Sumit Agarwal wrote: > > I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that > > necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. > > > > I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to > > professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right > > now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME > > style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no > > good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? > > Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). > > > > -Sumit > > Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows properly. > A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being > able to grab the corners. > > -Cory K. > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Yes, this is somewhat true, but wouldn't at least the titlebar edges remain grab-able? It also begs a question I personally have been wondering for some time: is it possible to force GNOME to draw a resizer in the corner on all windows, including those lacking a status- bar? -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Cory K. wrote: > Sumit Agarwal wrote: >> I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that >> necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. >> >> I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to >> professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it >> right >> now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME >> style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for >> no >> good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux >> set? >> Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). >> >> -Sumit > > Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows > properly. > A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being > able to grab the corners. > > -Cory K. > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Sumit Agarwal wrote: > I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that > necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. > > I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to > professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right > now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME > style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no > good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? > Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). > > -Sumit Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows properly. A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being able to grab the corners. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Your absolutely right! Unfortunately I can't upload a screenshot of the new look, because I'm connected via modem;-( Am Freitag, den 21.03.2008, 09:14 -0700 schrieb Sumit Agarwal: > I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that > necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. > > I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to > professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right > now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME > style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no > good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? > Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). > > -Sumit > > Julian Oliver wrote: > > i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent > > border around the windows. on laptops (which increasingly average at > > 1024x768 pixels) this would be especially impractical. > > > > why not just do away with the strange exaggerated border? it's like the > > theme attempts minimalism but gets self-conscious about it along the > > way. > > > > my 2 bytes. > > > > > > signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). -Sumit Julian Oliver wrote: > i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent > border around the windows. on laptops (which increasingly average at > 1024x768 pixels) this would be especially impractical. > > why not just do away with the strange exaggerated border? it's like the > theme attempts minimalism but gets self-conscious about it along the > way. > > my 2 bytes. > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I didn't found a good theme. But it doesn't belong to creamlooks. See the last post from xl_cheese! I'm using that now (Thank you, xl_cheese!)... I'll update the wiki... cheers stein Am Freitag, den 21.03.2008, 15:03 +0100 schrieb Julian Oliver: > i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent > border around the windows. on laptops (which increasingly average at > 1024x768 pixels) this would be especially impractical. > > why not just do away with the strange exaggerated border? it's like the > theme attempts minimalism but gets self-conscious about it along the > way. > > my 2 bytes. > > -- > julian oliver > http://julianoliver.com > http://selectparks.net > messages containing HTML will not be read. > > > ..on or around Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 01:17:52AM +0100, Sebastian Billaudelle > said: > > Oops... sorry.! > > Here with the right subject! > > _ > > > > Hi there! > > > > Here is my "official" announcement of my interpretation of the > > clearlooks-engine. > > My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, > > but has some advantages: > > I. Bugfixes: > > In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but > > without toolbar. It was very ugly. > > > > II. New "features": > > 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one > > single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. > > 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think > > some parts looks very close to this... > > 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. > > 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. > > > > You can download the stuff here: > > http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz > > > > You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks > > > > cheers Sebastian > > > > P. S.: My modem is working now again... > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent border around the windows. on laptops (which increasingly average at 1024x768 pixels) this would be especially impractical. why not just do away with the strange exaggerated border? it's like the theme attempts minimalism but gets self-conscious about it along the way. my 2 bytes. -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. ..on or around Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 01:17:52AM +0100, Sebastian Billaudelle said: > Oops... sorry.! > Here with the right subject! > _ > > Hi there! > > Here is my "official" announcement of my interpretation of the > clearlooks-engine. > My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, > but has some advantages: > I. Bugfixes: > In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but > without toolbar. It was very ugly. > > II. New "features": > 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one > single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. > 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think > some parts looks very close to this... > 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. > 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. > > You can download the stuff here: > http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz > > You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks > > cheers Sebastian > > P. S.: My modem is working now again... > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Simple Hardy theme proposal: Orange Glossy (or Clearlooks)
Try this: in System → Preferences → Appearance → Theme → Customise: 1. set your Controls to Glossy (or alternatively, Clearlooks) 2. set your Window Border to Glossy (alternatively, Clearlooks; for the extra-conservative, Human) 3. change all the text colours to black 4. change selected items' background colour to #D98F34 5. change windows' background colour to #EDE7E1 6. leave input boxes' backgrounds white, and tooltips at their default colour 7. use whatever icon theme you like (Human will do) 8. imagine this as the default theme for Hardy (Step 8 is very important.) This theme complements Hardy's default wallpaper (and its simple variant) very nicely; it's a complete stylistic refresh from previous releases, but based on a mature engine; and it's doable *now* (you just did it, assuming you were playing along). (One minor downside: Ubuntu hardcodes an accent colour in system tray bubble notifications; its dark yellow clashes slightly with Glossy's orange tooltips. So either that bug would need to be fixed (the hardcoding part – the visual style needn't change) or Clearlooks controls would have to be used instead of Glossy.) -- Greg K Nicholson -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
