Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 17:49 +0200, François Degrave wrote: > Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : > > I upgraded Metacity to fix the active\inactive window. > > > > With compiz not enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: > > > > http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityzoomjm5.png > > > > http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityfullscrexk5.png > > > > > > With compiz enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: > > > > http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizzoyi5.png > > > > http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizfumr1.png > > > > The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the > > compiz setup. > > IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the > > people can to use Emarald, right? > > Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. > > (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) > That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this > "all-in-one" effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. > We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have > different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this "solid" > feeling. > > But except that, I'm everyday a little more confident in this theme, it > looks really nice and clean. > > François > > PS: I'll finish the monochromic icons for the taskbar tomorrow (no time > for yesterday neither today). > Hey, just chiming in to tell y'all that it is possible to have the transparency fade to opaque. Run gconf-editor, then edit the gconf entry /apps/gwd/metacity_theme_shade_opacity: check the checkbox, or set it to true with the command line tool (not sure how to do this). kido -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
fruchtschwert ha scritto: > Hey, > > first of all I think you're doing a great job with the NewWave theme .. > It's very good, that you don't consider all people being able to run emerald > and there are window decorations for metacity available too. > > To help a bit, I wanted to report the bugs I noticed. > > I tried the NewWave_AlphaPack.0.4 with emerald and metacity with and without > compiz. > The metacity 0.2 has a small bug, when having a maximized inactive window > behind an unmaximized active one: > Then, on the left and right side of the inactive window bar, 1px wide grey > strips appear, which shouldn't be there. > Thank you for your report. I will fix the bug. > Except of that the theme seems to have incompatibilities with firefox / > thunderbird (menubar corrupted) and the processor-speed gnome-panel-applet > (black font). > Certainly these are things you'll want to fix at a later point of time, I > just wanted to point them out. > Sure, thanks. The theme is work in progress. We will try to fix all bugs. > I don't like the dark version (alpha6), it's too heavy / depressing. Hope it > won't be considered.. > Another question: are you planning to change the buttons in the metacity > theme to look like the ones of the emerald one, or is the space on the window > bar unsufficient ? > It's also very beautiful like it is, but it would be more consistent .. > Various options are under consideration for to be choose in a second time. But for this anton or francois may respond better. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] New Wave
Hey, first of all I think you're doing a great job with the NewWave theme .. It's very good, that you don't consider all people being able to run emerald and there are window decorations for metacity available too. To help a bit, I wanted to report the bugs I noticed. I tried the NewWave_AlphaPack.0.4 with emerald and metacity with and without compiz. The metacity 0.2 has a small bug, when having a maximized inactive window behind an unmaximized active one: Then, on the left and right side of the inactive window bar, 1px wide grey strips appear, which shouldn't be there. Except of that the theme seems to have incompatibilities with firefox / thunderbird (menubar corrupted) and the processor-speed gnome-panel-applet (black font). Certainly these are things you'll want to fix at a later point of time, I just wanted to point them out. I don't like the dark version (alpha6), it's too heavy / depressing. Hope it won't be considered.. Another question: are you planning to change the buttons in the metacity theme to look like the ones of the emerald one, or is the space on the window bar unsufficient ? It's also very beautiful like it is, but it would be more consistent .. Cheers Martin Nicht vergessen! Am Sonntag, den 11. Mai ist Muttertag Geschenkideen, Gedichte & mehr: www.yahoo.de/muttertag -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno ven, 09/05/2008 alle 23.11 +0300, Anton Kerezov ha scritto:
> >
> > ps: I upgraded the wiki.
> >
> >
>
> Giuseppe can you please remove the close up screenshot version of the
> wiki, because if you want to see it closer you can click FullSize on the
> others and see it.
>
Ok. I removed it. I had inserted it because it was more defined.
But no matter, I think you are right. ;-)
> I propose you to only include your Metacity folder in archive and have
> different version such as 0.2 (lower than the theme because started
> later) and We (You , Francois, and I) will pack it together in the
> section for the Emerald+Compiz (that is because the user is confised
> what to downlaod now (newwer version only for metacity ? in metacity
> section)
>
Ok. You are right. I modified the archive. I renamed the metacity with a
number versione (0.2). But I changed also (few) the gtkrc theme (style
"metacity-frame" { ... }) to make consistent titlebar with menubar.
:-)
Giuseppe P.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 21:55 +0200 на 09.05.2008 (пт), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: > Yes, I agree with you. It can be very nice. But the engine must be > modified. > However I think that this theme is becoming increasingly pleasant. :-) > > Giuseppe P. > > ps: I upgraded the wiki. > > Giuseppe can you please remove the close up screenshot version of the wiki, because if you want to see it closer you can click FullSize on the others and see it. I propose you to only include your Metacity folder in archive and have different version such as 0.2 (lower than the theme because started later) and We (You , Francois, and I) will pack it together in the section for the Emerald+Compiz (that is because the user is confised what to downlaod now (newwer version only for metacity ? in metacity section) Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Hello, Good news everyone. I've managed to compile and link the code successfully. I made a simple test by increasing some property of cairo to 5.0 width and - it worked :). I managed to create a new style that is called NEWWAVE (like GUMMY and CLASSIC). From now on please use it instead of GUMMY in the gtkrc file: http://img128.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=62639_NewWave_test_08_122_800lo.jpg So we can start making new widgets design. Do you have any propositions? Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: > For insert the gtkrc+metacity in wiki, wich version number should I > use? > 0.3? > I modified only 'style "metacity-frame"' in the gtkrc file, because > the > bg[SELECTED] color of metacity-frame style must be the same of > bg[NORMAL] of menubar. As it is defferent code I suppose you start from where you want 0.1 or 1.0. As for the gtkrc file I will make the changes in it (they don't have effect on the emerald+compiz theme). Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
François Degrave ha scritto: > >> That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this > >> "all-in-one" effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. > >> We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have > >> different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this "solid" > >> feeling. > >> > >> > > Yes, is true. It is disappointing but I don't know if it's only a > > Metacity problem, indeed (as you can see) if Compiz not enabled the > > problem is not present. > > Perhaps changing (some) the compiz settings the problem can be fixed. > > If that's possible it cane be a workaround. > > > > I will try to solve the problem or with compiz (if this is possible) or > > writing (or asking :D )a patch for metacity. > > > Btw, it is better to try to make the menu bar the same color as the > window bar rather than removing the transparency of the window bar. The > transparency can stay if the menu bar is the continuation of the window bar. > Yes, I agree with you. It can be very nice. But the engine must be modified. However I think that this theme is becoming increasingly pleasant. :-) Giuseppe P. ps: I upgraded the wiki. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : > François Degrave ha scritto: > >>> The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the >>> compiz setup. >>> IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the >>> people can to use Emarald, right? >>> Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. >>> (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) >>> >> That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this >> "all-in-one" effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. >> We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have >> different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this "solid" >> feeling. >> >> > Yes, is true. It is disappointing but I don't know if it's only a > Metacity problem, indeed (as you can see) if Compiz not enabled the > problem is not present. > Perhaps changing (some) the compiz settings the problem can be fixed. > If that's possible it cane be a workaround. > > I will try to solve the problem or with compiz (if this is possible) or > writing (or asking :D )a patch for metacity. > Btw, it is better to try to make the menu bar the same color as the window bar rather than removing the transparency of the window bar. The transparency can stay if the menu bar is the continuation of the window bar. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
> ps: Can I insert the metacity + gtkrc theme in wiki? I applied only > little patch to the style of metacity-frame because it (the color) must > be the same of the style of menubar. Mark the gtkrc file as > NewWave_Alpha6? I don't touch AUTHORS, Compiz, etc.. files!!! No problem, that's fine for me! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
François Degrave ha scritto: > > > > The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the > > compiz setup. > > IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the > > people can to use Emarald, right? > > Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. > > (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) > That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this > "all-in-one" effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. > We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have > different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this "solid" > feeling. > Yes, is true. It is disappointing but I don't know if it's only a Metacity problem, indeed (as you can see) if Compiz not enabled the problem is not present. Perhaps changing (some) the compiz settings the problem can be fixed. If that's possible it cane be a workaround. I will try to solve the problem or with compiz (if this is possible) or writing (or asking :D )a patch for metacity. > But except that, I'm everyday a little more confident in this theme, it > looks really nice and clean. > Yeah. I'm loving this theme every day more...nice and clean. > François > > PS: I'll finish the monochromic icons for the taskbar tomorrow (no time > for yesterday neither today). > I look forward to seeing. :-) Giuseppe P. ps: Can I insert the metacity + gtkrc theme in wiki? I applied only little patch to the style of metacity-frame because it (the color) must be the same of the style of menubar. Mark the gtkrc file as NewWave_Alpha6? I don't touch AUTHORS, Compiz, etc.. files!!! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : > I upgraded Metacity to fix the active\inactive window. > > With compiz not enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: > > http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityzoomjm5.png > > http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityfullscrexk5.png > > > With compiz enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: > > http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizzoyi5.png > > http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizfumr1.png > > The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the > compiz setup. > IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the > people can to use Emarald, right? > Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. > (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this "all-in-one" effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this "solid" feeling. But except that, I'm everyday a little more confident in this theme, it looks really nice and clean. François PS: I'll finish the monochromic icons for the taskbar tomorrow (no time for yesterday neither today). -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Windows? Mac? Gnome? KDE?
I completely agree. We should pick an idea/concept and use that for the basis of all specific design decisions. Whether that idea is to work with specific visual elements (glass effects, gradients, window borders) or to pursue an overall visual idea, we need something to guide our work besides "this needs to be more macish" or "this looks like windows vista." We need to build our own ideas, from the ground up, instead of defining ourselves by the arbitrary and often unimaginative interfaces present on closed operating systems. Seth Rattan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
I upgraded Metacity to fix the active\inactive window. With compiz not enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityzoomjm5.png http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityfullscrexk5.png With compiz enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizzoyi5.png http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizfumr1.png The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the compiz setup. IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the people can to use Emarald, right? Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) For insert the gtkrc+metacity in wiki, wich version number should I use? 0.3? I modified only 'style "metacity-frame"' in the gtkrc file, because the bg[SELECTED] color of metacity-frame style must be the same of bg[NORMAL] of menubar. I continue to work on it... :-) gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Who's Vague Direction (WAS mac-unt-ista?)
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Troy James Sobotka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Who wrote: >> Specifically the awesome Rueben theme >> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Reuben?content=55876 >> >> Anyone wanting to work in this vague direction? > > Reuben has many elements to like. In no particular order: > > 1) The linework is much closer to some notion of elegant. In > particular, the patented Tango heavy outlines are avoided. It is easy > to suggest that the technique lends itself to words such as 'elegant', > 'delicate', and 'sophisticated'. Contrast that with the other interface > elements that are prevalent in nearly every GTK theme -- which are far > closer to 'heavy' and 'clunky'. > Really? Where I come from we call things like Reuben 'pixel art' and it went out of style around the time video game consoles got 3D accelerators. -- Travis Watkins http://www.realistanew.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 22:58 +0200 на 08.05.2008 (чт), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: > Anton wrote: > > > I think you can (if François doesn't have anything against it) and > > I've > > separated place for it under 'Metacity and gtkrc' section in the > > wiki :). > > > Ok, perfect, if you don't have anything against it. > First I fix the bug, after I will insert the theme in wiki. > > > Please provide both active and inactive windows for the > > screenshot. They may have bugs but we will fix them, right? > > > The bug can be fixed. > The only problem is that I don't know as better to fix it. > Let me explain better: > the menubar in gtkcr can't be set separately for active window and inactive, > the engine don't admit it (if I'm wrong, please you correct me...if i'm not > wrong it, can be it implemented in engine?). If I change the color in the > titlebar of metacity, the color not result consistent with menubar. > I have two solution: > 1. change lightly the gradient only in the top of titlebar (of metacity > frame); > 2. use the same color for active and inactive windows as in the emerald theme. > > To explain better and choose the best solution, I will post here the two > solution. > And we will choose the best solution. > Ok? > I think that you should use the second solution for now. Who said: > Sorry - not me - I don't know these things! No problem. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Who's Vague Direction (WAS mac-unt-ista?)
Who wrote: > Specifically the awesome Rueben theme > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Reuben?content=55876 > > Anyone wanting to work in this vague direction? Reuben has many elements to like. In no particular order: 1) The linework is much closer to some notion of elegant. In particular, the patented Tango heavy outlines are avoided. It is easy to suggest that the technique lends itself to words such as 'elegant', 'delicate', and 'sophisticated'. Contrast that with the other interface elements that are prevalent in nearly every GTK theme -- which are far closer to 'heavy' and 'clunky'. 2) Patterned window top border can be quite classy as well as extremely un-Vista and un-OSX. Plus one for originality and effectiveness. 3) Reuben actually gives attention to a palette, albeit yet again dwelling in the monochromatic. Given the name, it wouldn't be pure speculation that the tonal range is working to evoke a sense of high art. The filigree furthers that. Probably reminiscent of Victorian sensibilities. 4) The typography works wonderfully. Both the font and weight fit within the direction of the styling. It would be wonderful to see something fleshed out further with an Ubuntu-centric feel. In terms of 'cons' maybe: 1) Background image is monotonous. 2) Palette needs to be strengthened away from monochromatic feel. The still image in the screenshot certainly helps to balance the feel, but alas, the hues aren't a part of the basic theme. 3) Harmonize the window decoration grabber bar with the thematics of the theme. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
