Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:28 PM, François Degrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/20 Nick Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think its much better like this, especially the white. That's exactly what I proposed in the very beginning (see mockup), and I re-proposed in my screenshot with all the comments (see http://img174.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04028_Capture_122_1178lo.jpg) but apparently it is a problem for the firefox menu (since the color of the font cannot change when the menu item is selected, the white font on a white bg is unreadable). Maybe that's something we can correct because it looks really important to me. I agree with Francisco. Having a greyish GTK makes the theme a bit depressing for general audience. They wouldn't care if it is a technical issue. Would a slight orangish hue instead of pure white help ? Also, one doubt. Is this problem there with FF 3.0 ? IIRC, FF 3.0 is supposed to be better in terms of playing well with the platform it is installed on w.r.t theming. I didn't notice if the screenshots were of FF 2.x or 3.0. I have 3.0 at home and I didn't notice anything bad. But then, I don't usually use the FF menu, so that could be the reason. May be Cimi or Kenneth can shed some light. Bharat Varma d-_-b -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
Bharat Varma a écrit : On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:28 PM, François Degrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/20 Nick Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think its much better like this, especially the white. That's exactly what I proposed in the very beginning (see mockup), and I re-proposed in my screenshot with all the comments (see http://img174.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04028_Capture_122_1178lo.jpg) but apparently it is a problem for the firefox menu (since the color of the font cannot change when the menu item is selected, the white font on a white bg is unreadable). Maybe that's something we can correct because it looks really important to me. I agree with Francisco. Having a greyish GTK makes the theme a bit depressing for general audience. They wouldn't care if it is a technical issue. Would a slight orangish hue instead of pure white help ? I'm not sure adding orange there is a good idea... Well, we can try but I don't feel it. However, the proposition for a New Wave mailing list is not bad at all -- but in that case we should try keeping posting sometimes on this one to show we are still alive, and to give interest to other people. Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
Hi, Could you make the selected item gradient less pinkish and more orange/yellow ? Anyway, good work on the color. That's truly a good idea since black over white is more readable for most people. However, i guess we can't merge menubar and menu color due to the shadow. Regards, Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] UDS Notes: Artwork
Sorry, I think an enter somewhere went through:: this is just an incomplete draft. I should be finished with this sometime today. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave: Revisions
Il giorno mar, 20/05/2008 alle 15.38 +0300, Anton Kerezov ha scritto: Hi Giuseppe, I want to ask you why don't you make new revisions but overwrite mine's. For example I created rev 7 and today I see rev 7 and 8 on your name. Did you first update you repository (bzr update)? That is necessary to take all the changes others have made. Or maybe you do commit and then update? If that is the case you should do update before you start any work on the theme and then after you finished commit the changes. Anton Hi Anton, I think my problem is Olive. It crashing and not work correctly in my system (don't tell me why because I don't know). I'm come back to use terminal...simple and rock. Giuseppe P. ps: what you think about menu proposal? I think we might move in this way and insert it in branch. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave: Revisions
Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : Il giorno mar, 20/05/2008 alle 15.38 +0300, Anton Kerezov ha scritto: Hi Giuseppe, I want to ask you why don't you make new revisions but overwrite mine's. For example I created rev 7 and today I see rev 7 and 8 on your name. Did you first update you repository (bzr update)? That is necessary to take all the changes others have made. Or maybe you do commit and then update? If that is the case you should do update before you start any work on the theme and then after you finished commit the changes. Anton Hi Anton, I think my problem is Olive. It crashing and not work correctly in my system (don't tell me why because I don't know). I'm come back to use terminal...simple and rock. Giuseppe P. ps: what you think about menu proposal? I think we might move in this way and insert it in branch. This white menu item is definitely better. We should use it, even if that means we have to file bugs to Mozilla and harass them to correct them quick. We have to use a minimum of different colors for the taskbars, that's also why we use monochromatic status icons. The shadow of the menu is not a problem to me, it adds a gradient on the white (so it looks like the menu item is still a part of the taskbar). Now if you don't mind, it would also be nice to have a look to the gradients inside the windows, as it was depicted on the last mockups I made. Anton is right, it will need to be computed at runtime because we ignore the size of the toolbar -- so my last proposition wasn't a solution. Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave: Revisions, murrine
В 14:54 +0200 на 20.05.2008 (вт), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: I think my problem is Olive. It crashing and not work correctly in my system (don't tell me why because I don't know). I'm come back to use terminal...simple and rock. I use the terminal as olive is not there yet (not good enough). ps: what you think about menu proposal? I think we might move in this way and insert it in branch. It is good but we have a firefox bug that stops us from doing it. If the bug is fixed and the shadows under menus disabled (and the gray border around menus removed) then we can talk about continuity. Right now we have a more important task: to set up the theme engine (we don't know if murrine can support buttons without glossy effect) so we should develop two themes - one for clearlooks and one for murinne-svn (with rgba support). As I said your are free to make a different folder (newwave-theme-murrine) and refine the gtkrc to fit the new engine. I've pushed a revision (I make mistakes too) and now is rev 10 :) It may take a while to reflect on the servers. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
2008/5/20 Nick Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think its much better like this, especially the white. Btw, is it possible to have a special mailing list (on launchpad?) just for New Wave? I feel we might be clogging up the art mailing list a little? On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 23:50 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: While I was working I thought this: http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menuproposalsh9.png http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menuproposal2lz0.png I like this. For me in this way we get a sense of continuity with menu. Giuseppe P. That's exactly what I proposed in the very beginning (see mockup), and I re-proposed in my screenshot with all the comments (see http://img174.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04028_Capture_122_1178lo.jpg) but apparently it is a problem for the firefox menu (since the color of the font cannot change when the menu item is selected, the white font on a white bg is unreadable). Maybe that's something we can correct because it looks really important to me. A few suggestions on that regard: First, I think it would make a lot of sense to avoid compromisey workarounds at the present time; it would be forward-thinking to get the theme to look exactly how it should in real GTK applications and see about having these problems fixed at their source. We have 6 months for that to happen. By contrast, Evolution has a horribly ugly problem with its Preferences dialog, and I don't see that being given a workaround in the theme either. (I do see the Evolution developers being given a stern talking to by the GTK people, though). Same deal with OpenOffice. Speaking of which, has anyone tested this with OpenOffice 3? I understand it has less horrendous theming. Secondly, this is definitely not a theme-specific problem but a problem with the programs. A bug should be filed if it hasn't been done already; with these issues Firefox and OpenOffice.org are inconveniencing things for everyone. Thirdly, Firefox 3 is still a release candidate so has quite some room for bug fixes. I say leave the workarounds for that time when all other hope is lost and people are still set on packaging the offending (enemy of consistency) programs as defaults. Bye, -Dylan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
Dylan McCall ha scritto: A few suggestions on that regard: First, I think it would make a lot of sense to avoid compromisey workarounds at the present time; it would be forward-thinking to get the theme to look exactly how it should in real GTK applications and see about having these problems fixed at their source. We have 6 months for that to happen. By contrast, Evolution has a horribly ugly problem with its Preferences dialog, and I don't see that being given a workaround in the theme either. (I do see the Evolution developers being given a stern talking to by the GTK people, though). Same deal with OpenOffice. Speaking of which, has anyone tested this with OpenOffice 3? I understand it has less horrendous theming. Secondly, this is definitely not a theme-specific problem but a problem with the programs. A bug should be filed if it hasn't been done already; with these issues Firefox and OpenOffice.org are inconveniencing things for everyone. Thirdly, Firefox 3 is still a release candidate so has quite some room for bug fixes. I say leave the workarounds for that time when all other hope is lost and people are still set on packaging the offending (enemy of consistency) programs as defaults. I agree totally with you. Use many workaround is not a good way, we must make a theme in real GTK applications and push to solve bug, for example we might report this in bugzilla, launchpad, etc... . We must choose a way and follow it. We must fix some item and follow it with what we have available (murrine or clearlooks). I think murrine is better because is more flexible and a new versione (svn) can be released to improve the theme (please...if Cimy read this, can he say when he may release a stable version of murrine?). I think it is wrong to look beyond what we have or to see other way. IMHO, we must choose and improve. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave: Revisions, murrine
Il giorno mar, 20/05/2008 alle 16.33 +0300, Anton Kerezov ha scritto: В 14:54 +0200 на 20.05.2008 (вт), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: I think my problem is Olive. It crashing and not work correctly in my system (don't tell me why because I don't know). I'm come back to use terminal...simple and rock. I use the terminal as olive is not there yet (not good enough). ps: what you think about menu proposal? I think we might move in this way and insert it in branch. It is good but we have a firefox bug that stops us from doing it. If the bug is fixed and the shadows under menus disabled (and the gray border around menus removed) then we can talk about continuity. Sure but (about shadows under menus), IMHO, I think is better in every case. Obviously in my opinion. However if we choose this, we must not think now FF but in a secondary moment when the theme is ok in real GTK applications. Because they are bug and must be fixed not in theme but in their source. We must report bug in LP, bugzilla, etc... . Right now we have a more important task: to set up the theme engine (we don't know if murrine can support buttons without glossy effect) so we should develop two themes - one for clearlooks and one for murinne-svn (with rgba support). As I said your are free to make a different folder (newwave-theme-murrine) and refine the gtkrc to fit the new engine. Murrine can support buttons without glossy...and murrine-svn has new effects and style. We can develop the theme with murrine and when the svn versione will be released we could emprove the theme with it. IMHO, not look beyond...but look what we have and we can really. Otherwise the theme has not chance. IMHO. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
2008/5/20 Giuseppe Pennisi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dylan McCall ha scritto: A few suggestions on that regard: First, I think it would make a lot of sense to avoid compromisey workarounds at the present time; it would be forward-thinking to get the theme to look exactly how it should in real GTK applications and see about having these problems fixed at their source. We have 6 months for that to happen. By contrast, Evolution has a horribly ugly problem with its Preferences dialog, and I don't see that being given a workaround in the theme either. (I do see the Evolution developers being given a stern talking to by the GTK people, though). Same deal with OpenOffice. Speaking of which, has anyone tested this with OpenOffice 3? I understand it has less horrendous theming. Secondly, this is definitely not a theme-specific problem but a problem with the programs. A bug should be filed if it hasn't been done already; with these issues Firefox and OpenOffice.org are inconveniencing things for everyone. Thirdly, Firefox 3 is still a release candidate so has quite some room for bug fixes. I say leave the workarounds for that time when all other hope is lost and people are still set on packaging the offending (enemy of consistency) programs as defaults. I agree totally with you. Use many workaround is not a good way, we must make a theme in real GTK applications and push to solve bug, for example we might report this in bugzilla, launchpad, etc... . We must choose a way and follow it. We must fix some item and follow it with what we have available (murrine or clearlooks). I think murrine is better because is more flexible and a new versione (svn) can be released to improve the theme (please...if Cimy read this, can he say when he may release a stable version of murrine?). A snapshot is planned in middle August. I think it is wrong to look beyond what we have or to see other way. IMHO, we must choose and improve. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Andrea Cimi Cimitan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave: Nautilus sidebar and Icons
2008/5/20, fruchtschwert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Montag, den 19.05.2008, 22:21 +0300 schrieb Anton Kerezov: I attach some icons that I've modified to make a better visual separation between different actions. What do you think? We should really integrate the missing icons for the Gnome exit manager (reboot, userswich, logout the same stile as the rest as was proposed earlier). Anton Hey, I incorporated the icons changed by Anton and me into bzr .. Turned out quite nice. I like the logout screen, or do you propose color changes? But I think the reload button is worse than before .. Maybe we could make reload yellow and the stop-button red again? Cheers Martin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hi, The new icons looks great. I'm working on the icons that were missing in the Elementary theme. I already committed icons for File Roller, Alacarte, System User, Users and Groups, and I made a new one for F-Spot that I going to upload later. Do you think that I should continue making the missing icons? Or it's better to focus on some other stuff first? -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal
However, the proposition for a New Wave mailing list is not bad at all -- but in that case we should try keeping posting sometimes on this one to show we are still alive, and to give interest to other people. Yes, I think if possible we should have a separate list and keep ubuntu art list postings to occasional status updates. Hi, The new icons looks great. I'm working on the icons that were missing in the Elementary theme. I already committed icons for File Roller, Alacarte, System User, Users and Groups, and I made a new one for F-Spot that I going to upload later. Do you think that I should continue making the missing icons? Or it's better to focus on some other stuff first? Do people think there should be monochromatic status icons for every major app which is installed by default and which puts itself in the taskbar, even things which aren't system services (e.g. Pidgin, Tracker, Rhythmbox etc)? I vote probably. Keep up the good work. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] I Need a Great Icon Set for Clear Intrepid!
Hey Ubuntu Artists! I am really close to finalizing my mockup in preparation for coding this summer! I just need a good icon set. I prefer PNG's to use in the mockup, but SVG's I will need of course for the actual theme. Thanks! Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Clear_Intrepid http://salane89.deviantart.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Murrine
Some screenshot of New Wave Murrine + actual Wallpaper in branch + latest Icons in branch. http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9541/newwavemurrine1ij0.png http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8074/newwavemurrine2ao8.png http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2152/newwavemurrine3nb8.png Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Murrine
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Giuseppe Pennisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some screenshot of New Wave Murrine + actual Wallpaper in branch + latest Icons in branch. http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9541/newwavemurrine1ij0.png http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8074/newwavemurrine2ao8.png http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2152/newwavemurrine3nb8.png Giuseppe P. Some general comments: 1. Perhaps the brightness of buttons relative to the background colour is too high, and the hilight_ratio seems a bit extreme. It's just my personal opinion, but I think the glaze style works better when it's somewhat subtle or subdued. 2. The pinkish-orange colour for selected menu items seems pretty dark; if that will be the final colour, would it not be a good idea to have the selected text colour set to white? 3. Again regarding the selected menu items, it seems the selected item background glaze has too low a hilight_ratio. Perhaps find a way to make it more consistent with the buttons. 4. I haven't been following NewWave developments closely, so perhaps this is intentional, but... what happened to the toolbar separator lines in Nautilus? It looks pretty awful in the first and second screenshots, as though part of the interface is missing. Keep up the good work! Conn -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Ciao
Just wanted to drop you all a note that I'm going to be disconnecting from the mailing list. If someone out there feels the need to contact me, all of my information is on Launchpad. It has a been a long wonderful ride. Thanks to everyone. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
