Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines

2008-05-23 Thread Giuseppe Pennisi
Étienne Bersac ha scritto:
> > Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more
> > clear.
> > 
> > http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png
> 
> I agree, but please use orange rather than pink.
> 
Yes, I agree with you.

Giuseppe P.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines

2008-05-23 Thread Étienne Bersac
Hi,

> In this regard, about consistency of the theme, I have made some
> proposal of consistency between metacity-frame-menubar and application
> active in taskbar.
> 
> http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw1uu0.png
> 
> http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw2gc9.png

Very good !

> Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more
> clear.
> 
> http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png

I agree, but please use orange rather than pink.

Regards,
Étienne.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines

2008-05-23 Thread Valentin Steinwandter
What about this?

At the moment: 
http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11ye5.png

Nicer?
http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22lz7.png

Valentin


Am Freitag, den 23.05.2008, 15:41 +0200 schrieb Giuseppe Pennisi:
> François Degrave ha scritto:
> > Anton Kerezov a écrit :
> > > В 15:38 +0200 на 22.05.2008 (чт), François Degrave написа:
> > >   
> > >> Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without
> > >> losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and
> > >> yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave.
> > >>
> > >> Could you please read them carefully? Here they are:
> > >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=graphical_guidelines.pdf
> > >> 
> > >
> > > I agree that we need such king of guidelines but they need to me more
> > > definite. Although I generally like the text I do not agree with some
> > > points:
> > >
> > >   1. Taskbar/Windows consistency - That is not true. The taskbar is
> > > really different from the title bar and the menus of an application
> > > because there you have program shortcuts and status icons that change
> > > over time.
> > >   
> > Ok, but currently the windows and the taskbar do not seem to be part of 
> > a whole. They look too different to have a nice visual effect. And it is 
> > true that the taskbar has more functionalities than a menubar, but the 
> > "menu part" of the taskbar should certainly have the same look as a menubar.
> > 
> I agree with Fracnois. IMHO, in this way (like write Francois) the theme
> looks more uniform and a good impact for user. Use many shades of color
> on the same theme make this pleasant little for user and little
> consistency in its entirety.
> 
> In this regard, about consistency of the theme, I have made some
> proposal of consistency between metacity-frame-menubar and application
> active in taskbar.
> 
> http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw1uu0.png
> 
> http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw2gc9.png
> 
> 
> Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more
> clear.
> 
> http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png
> 
> Giuseppe P.
> 
> ps: I think if we use a color more white for menu-active-item and
> menu-bg we might get more consistency between they.
> 
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines

2008-05-23 Thread Giuseppe Pennisi
François Degrave ha scritto:
> Anton Kerezov a écrit :
> > В 15:38 +0200 на 22.05.2008 (чт), François Degrave написа:
> >   
> >> Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without
> >> losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and
> >> yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave.
> >>
> >> Could you please read them carefully? Here they are:
> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=graphical_guidelines.pdf
> >> 
> >
> > I agree that we need such king of guidelines but they need to me more
> > definite. Although I generally like the text I do not agree with some
> > points:
> >
> > 1. Taskbar/Windows consistency - That is not true. The taskbar is
> > really different from the title bar and the menus of an application
> > because there you have program shortcuts and status icons that change
> > over time.
> >   
> Ok, but currently the windows and the taskbar do not seem to be part of 
> a whole. They look too different to have a nice visual effect. And it is 
> true that the taskbar has more functionalities than a menubar, but the 
> "menu part" of the taskbar should certainly have the same look as a menubar.
> 
I agree with Fracnois. IMHO, in this way (like write Francois) the theme
looks more uniform and a good impact for user. Use many shades of color
on the same theme make this pleasant little for user and little
consistency in its entirety.

In this regard, about consistency of the theme, I have made some
proposal of consistency between metacity-frame-menubar and application
active in taskbar.

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw1uu0.png

http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw2gc9.png


Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more
clear.

http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png

Giuseppe P.

ps: I think if we use a color more white for menu-active-item and
menu-bg we might get more consistency between they.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines

2008-05-23 Thread François Degrave
Anton Kerezov a écrit :
> В 15:38 +0200 на 22.05.2008 (чт), François Degrave написа:
>   
>> Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without
>> losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and
>> yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave.
>>
>> Could you please read them carefully? Here they are:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=graphical_guidelines.pdf
>> 
>
> I agree that we need such king of guidelines but they need to me more
> definite. Although I generally like the text I do not agree with some
> points:
>
>   1. Taskbar/Windows consistency - That is not true. The taskbar is
> really different from the title bar and the menus of an application
> because there you have program shortcuts and status icons that change
> over time.
>   
Ok, but currently the windows and the taskbar do not seem to be part of 
a whole. They look too different to have a nice visual effect. And it is 
true that the taskbar has more functionalities than a menubar, but the 
"menu part" of the taskbar should certainly have the same look as a menubar.

>   5. Selected Menu Items - The colors you picked are a bit brighter thank
> they should be IMO. I know that you want to make the theme look more
> orange but this is not the way to do it. We should rather do the widgets
> more orangish.
>   
You are right. We can try different things, it was just a proposition.
> One more thing about 7. Buttons. Could you make the mockups of selected
> and hovered buttons so that I can make a pixmap privew.
>   
I'll do that asap.

Cheers,

François

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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines

2008-05-23 Thread Anton Kerezov
В 15:38 +0200 на 22.05.2008 (чт), François Degrave написа:
> Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without
> losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and
> yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave.
> 
> Could you please read them carefully? Here they are:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=graphical_guidelines.pdf

I agree that we need such king of guidelines but they need to me more
definite. Although I generally like the text I do not agree with some
points:

1. Taskbar/Windows consistency - That is not true. The taskbar is
really different from the title bar and the menus of an application
because there you have program shortcuts and status icons that change
over time.

5. Selected Menu Items - The colors you picked are a bit brighter thank
they should be IMO. I know that you want to make the theme look more
orange but this is not the way to do it. We should rather do the widgets
more orangish.

One more thing about 7. Buttons. Could you make the mockups of selected
and hovered buttons so that I can make a pixmap privew.

Anton








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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines

2008-05-23 Thread François Degrave
2008/5/22 Étienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Salut François,
>
> The document is very good, but looks more like an exposé than a set of
> guidelines. For example, the choice of colour is "hardcoded" in
> guidelines. You should provide a complete palette, but let us choose the
> color during the design process. For example, i find the orange of
> highlighted item too bright so that it's not easy to read the text.
>
> Keep up the good work, we definitely needs direction :)
>
> Regards,
> Étienne.
>

You are right. I'll add a general remark about the fact that this choice of
colors is not mandatory but just a proposition.

Cheers,

François
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines

2008-05-23 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
2008/5/22 Étienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Salut François,
>
> The document is very good, but looks more like an exposé than a set of
> guidelines. For example, the choice of colour is "hardcoded" in
> guidelines. You should provide a complete palette, but let us choose the
> color during the design process. For example, i find the orange of
> highlighted item too bright so that it's not easy to read the text.
>
> Keep up the good work, we definitely needs direction :)
>

I just want to salute you for writing this document, it is really important
to have such a reference point. One thing I miss as a developer is a clear
list of items that need actual code change (not just theming (this has been
brought up before). Maybe even a list with links to the relevant bug reports
on bugzilla.gnome.org.

Cheers,
Mikkel
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