Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A site using the same fonts for both elements: > > http://maddox.xmission.com/ > Alright, so it isn't using the same font. Bad example. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] GTK-theme proposal
> > Hi folks, > > I spoke with salane about creating a gtk-theme. As a result I created a > wiki page for that: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_GTK_proposal > > What do you think about using the pixmap engine? > > Maybe this approach at creating a theme works and we get a good theme > at the end, maybe then it could be used as default theme or at least be > included as an alternative to the old theme. > > ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) Your theme is a good start Kimmik, but it really is too similar to Human, and looks a little clunky as well, which is one of the main problems with Human in my opinion. Also, the orange colour isn't orange enough IMO, try something similar more deep and rich. Cheers, -Nicholas (LostOverThere) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Justin Dugger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, this is more Advertising discussion, but while it might dilute > the significance, it also broadens it's meaning. You can't have the > tag line be a different font, that's ugly and stupid. It's the rule eh? More often than not, tag lines are separated out from the logo/title...using fonts. http://consumerist.com/ http://www.dooce.com/ http://www.amplesanity.com/ http://waiterrant.net/ http://gofugyourself.celebuzz.com/ http://www.boingboing.net/ http://lifehacker.com/ A site using the same fonts for both elements: http://maddox.xmission.com/ Also, it can't dilute /while/ broadening right? It would have to be one or the other. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Op woensdag 16-07-2008 om 22:37 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Justin > Dugger: >> I'm not saying that we should necessarily override these, but we >> should at least understand them, accept that which is good and improve >> that which can be improved. > > Some of your remarks might be caused by rendering issues, some might be > because he thinks they make the font better. I guess only he can answer > that though... :) > > (He's a professional typeface designer, so his reasons for these changes > might be sound--except for 0 & O looking the same maybe). Here's the thing -- we don't have to worry about stepping on artist's toes or hurting feelings. I'm sure the narrowing strokes and others are intentional. But are they better? But as things stand, he has his font and Ubuntu ships something else. The license should mean anyone who disagrees is free to walk away, and anyone who likes it is free to borrow some or all of it. (I should mention the ambiguous nature of font design rights, but I'm hardly an IP lawyer). I'm honored that a professional took the time to demonstrate his talents with this font; the mark of a professional in any field is being open to review. More productively, does anyone else get blanks when loading the current font into FontForge? Steps I take to reproduce: 1. Install FontForge from universe: "sudo apt-get install fontforge" 2. Download the source package to ttf-ubuntu-title "apt-get source ttf-ubuntu-title" 3. Open the FontForge .sfd: "fontforge ttf-ubuntu-title-0.3/Ubuntu-Title.sfd" 4. Note the lack of glyphs. 5. Open the .ttf instead and see wonderous glyphs ready for editing. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:59 AM, Justin Dugger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The font is used in other promotional materials and lettering. Just a >> quick listing off the top of my head: >> * the tag line "Linux for human beings" >> * The Full Circle Magazine >> * Ubuntu Brainstorm logo >> * Anywhere you'd like to convey an association with Ubuntu >> * Tons of other promotional materials > > I'd argue that all these other uses, aside from the obvious "kubuntu", > "edubuntu", etc, dilute the brand significance, and are a mis-use of what > should be thought of as part of the circle of friends logo. Not something > meant to ubuntu-i-fize other ordinary text. Even the tag line. Obviously, > what is done is done, and it is too late now. > Well, this is more Advertising discussion, but while it might dilute the significance, it also broadens it's meaning. You can't have the tag line be a different font, that's ugly and stupid. You could do without the tag line, but then you're not really saying anything at all, which might be fine for a boot screen, but for anything more you probably want to avoid mixing fonts if the logo is central to the work. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:59 AM, Justin Dugger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The font is used in other promotional materials and lettering. Just a > quick listing off the top of my head: > * the tag line "Linux for human beings" > * The Full Circle Magazine > * Ubuntu Brainstorm logo > * Anywhere you'd like to convey an association with Ubuntu > * Tons of other promotional materials I'd argue that all these other uses, aside from the obvious "kubuntu", "edubuntu", etc, dilute the brand significance, and are a mis-use of what should be thought of as part of the circle of friends logo. Not something meant to ubuntu-i-fize other ordinary text. Even the tag line. Obviously, what is done is done, and it is too late now. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK-theme proposal
Hey, I updated the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_GTK_proposal Please take a look at it and tell me your opinions. ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
Op woensdag 16-07-2008 om 22:37 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Justin Dugger: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think we (= Ubuntu) should still try to work with him... > > I'm saying that we should exclude anyone; but if you look at the font > in detail there's significant changes: > > * Many of the strokes have been tapered; take a look at b for example > * the t ascender was shortened > * the s and k shapes were significantly tweaked > * the font seems to render bigger in Inkscape than what's in hardy. > * 0 and O are indistinguishable > > I'm not saying that we should necessarily override these, but we > should at least understand them, accept that which is good and improve > that which can be improved. Some of your remarks might be caused by rendering issues, some might be because he thinks they make the font better. I guess only he can answer that though... :) (He's a professional typeface designer, so his reasons for these changes might be sound--except for 0 & O looking the same maybe). -- Jan Claeys -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy Heron style Ibex wallpaper
I agree it shouldn't be default, but couldn't it be considered for inclusion amongst the other wallpapers available? Sorry for discussing useless things... But Salane, you were the one saying we need getting started on wallpapers... I'm sorry I can't come up with anything more constructive, but I keep seing great artworks on this list for some years, and nothing come up from this thing, they just disapear or we forget about them... By the way, why don't we have any news about New Wave? Is it also forgotten or are they working on their own on lauchpad until it's finished (which would be great)? Concerning discussions about fonts, icons, and the theme: I'm all for it, but what should be discussed? For the fonts, it's a rather technical subject, so people with knowledge about it should specificaly list attributes for a good default font, and we should discuss the possibilities. As I understand it, as we need a free international font, that leaves us with a very limited choice, so we should explicitly compare them and come up with a choice. *Yann Dìnendal* -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy Heron style Ibex wallpaper
I like how there is discussion about a wallpaper we cannot even see when there could be discussion about fonts, icons, and the theme. Cory has a good point though. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy Heron style Ibex wallpaper
Not that I don't love the style, but do we really want to repeat ourselves? That's if we're considering this idea for default. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Hardy Heron style Ibex wallpaper
> > It is my attempt at duplicating the style I used with the heron (fela kuti) > for hardy. > > It's up at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/AbstractIbexas a > 1280x800 png. > > I can make some bigger if needed. I was waiting for feedback, but seeing > someone else use it is good feedback! :) > > It allows for choosing which colors you want from the appearance menu, or a > gradient. That way you can make it darker or lighter to match your > preference. I think I need to tweak the transparent parts though. > > Ashton > This wiki page is no longer available. :-/ Have you deleted your wallpaper or moved it somewhere else? It is great, so I hope you havn't gave it up! *Yann Dìnendal* -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // Ken's Kin (was "Kith Intrepid") //
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Julian Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ..on or around Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:31:31PM -0400 Ken Vermette wrote: > > >I've put together > > Kin, which is somewhere between Kith and Union and even (going back on > this > > one) Basic Ideals. Link below. Should I build the Emerald theme and give > it > > a real whirl? > > > > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin.png > > a friendly prod: i'm sure there are more than a few of us looking > forward to updates along this line.. > > any inclination to make a wiki page for Kin, Ken? > > -- > julian oliver > http://julianoliver.com > http://selectparks.net > messages containing HTML will not be read. > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > good timing on the post; I have like 5 minutes before I have to go! I was just going to dump Kin inside the Kith page, but I can create a separate page for the theme, I'll do so later tonight when I get a free moment. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] // Ken's Kin (was "Kith Intrepid") //
..on or around Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:31:31PM -0400 Ken Vermette wrote: >I've put together > Kin, which is somewhere between Kith and Union and even (going back on this > one) Basic Ideals. Link below. Should I build the Emerald theme and give it > a real whirl? > > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin.png a friendly prod: i'm sure there are more than a few of us looking forward to updates along this line.. any inclination to make a wiki page for Kin, Ken? -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Wiki Art Initiative - Lets Work Together! Deadlines Also
Ubuntu Art Team- I started the wiki organization scheme a few weeks ago, and some progress has been made. here are the 3 pages: * Fonts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_Font_-_Art_Team * Icons: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_Icons_-_Art_Team * Theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Ubuntu_8.10_Theme_-_Art_Team Fonts- This is going well. Google has not replied to our inquiries, so Android is still not Open Source. As of know we have Liberation and Deja Vu Condensed. Lets discuss this more. I would like to have the new font in the Alpha 4 of Intrepid Ibex, so our aim to choose a font should be by August 7th. Icons - No work has commenced here. I personally love the Oxygen icon set - Icons like that are very good looking. I dont think that current icon sets will work, as we need one tailored to this new look for Ubuntu. Therefore we pretty much need to create one. Since nothing has happened with this so far, no deadline for this. We need more people to work on this. Theme - Make sure you post guidelines in a wiki then link it on the main art team theme wiki. Mockups will be created using these guidelines within the next 2 weeks - and the theme should be out based on these guidelines soon. Gtk/metacity programmers- be ready to help on this community created theme. We have some very talented programmers already on board, but many many more are needed. Wallpaper - We need wallpaper suggestions. I haven't seen discussion on this in a while, so lets get started on that. There is a wiki page for this already- so lets use that. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Desktop_Background_Submissions How about a deadline for the Alpha 4 as well on this one. I see plenty of options here. August 7th! Lets get this going people. This is a good way to work on things- ask people you know, find talented artists on the internet- we need to prove the Art Team can do something useful. Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] GTK-theme proposal
Hi folks, I spoke with salane about creating a gtk-theme. As a result I created a wiki page for that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_GTK_proposal What do you think about using the pixmap engine? Maybe this approach at creating a theme works and we get a good theme at the end, maybe then it could be used as default theme or at least be included as an alternative to the old theme. ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Justin Dugger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I'm not saying that we should necessarily override these, but we >> should at least understand them, accept that which is good and improve >> that which can be improved. > > I always assumed it (the font) to be a convenience in order to display the > brand consistently. I've never really thought of using it for anything other > than "ubuntu". Are there any examples where it is used for other purposes? I > understand the original post was attempting to use it in a biz card, and I > suppose I can see the use there, thought not the necessity. Does FedEx, for > example have their logo dual-purposed as a font? > > Not trying to negate the effort to fix or otherwise improve the ubuntu-title > font. The thread just got me thinking and thought I'd share. > > Ashton > The font is used in other promotional materials and lettering. Just a quick listing off the top of my head: * the tag line "Linux for human beings" * The Full Circle Magazine * Ubuntu Brainstorm logo * Anywhere you'd like to convey an association with Ubuntu * Tons of other promotional materials Additionally, I thought it'd be nice for Ubuntu business cards. I've also been looking for a handwritten font style suitable for the training mode of CellWriter for better prompting, maybe it's a bit too stylized, but I thought I'd give it a shot. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
