Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
2008/7/26 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not entirely sure about the direction Kin and Kith are taking, especially with the whole OSX smackdown - so I'm trying something new with the themes, posting mockups of the new directions the theme could go flailing into. When I hit something half-decent, I'm going to develop it similarly to Kith/Kin, but I'd like to know I'm getting warmer first. If you post links to other themes, I'll try to incorperate what you like, wether I personally like it or not! Below are with different backgrounds... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_grass.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_leaf.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks.png With buttons... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_btns.png The main difference is that I've broken the slab, and made the outer rim outline protrude even farther from the block while making it more subtle. I've also switched to gray for the window contents. -- -Ken Vermette brilliant. This is well on the way to challenging Mac, IMO. And it's not a copycat. If we go in this direction then the first words I say when showing someone Ubuntu for the first time will no longer have to be don't worry, it doesn't have to look like this Duncan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
Now THIS is what I've been looking for in a new Ubuntu theme. Beautiful work, keep it up, and let's hope it's noticed! On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Duncan Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/7/26 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not entirely sure about the direction Kin and Kith are taking, especially with the whole OSX smackdown - so I'm trying something new with the themes, posting mockups of the new directions the theme could go flailing into. When I hit something half-decent, I'm going to develop it similarly to Kith/Kin, but I'd like to know I'm getting warmer first. If you post links to other themes, I'll try to incorperate what you like, wether I personally like it or not! Below are with different backgrounds... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_grass.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_leaf.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks.png With buttons... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_btns.png The main difference is that I've broken the slab, and made the outer rim outline protrude even farther from the block while making it more subtle. I've also switched to gray for the window contents. -- -Ken Vermette brilliant. This is well on the way to challenging Mac, IMO. And it's not a copycat. If we go in this direction then the first words I say when showing someone Ubuntu for the first time will no longer have to be don't worry, it doesn't have to look like this Duncan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
Il giorno dom, 27/07/2008 alle 15.42 +0200, Nicholas Ipsen(Sephiroth_VII) ha scritto: Now THIS is what I've been looking for in a new Ubuntu theme. Beautiful work, keep it up, and let's hope it's noticed! On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Duncan Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/26 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not entirely sure about the direction Kin and Kith are taking, especially with the whole OSX smackdown - so I'm trying something new with the themes, posting mockups of the new directions the theme could go flailing into. When I hit something half-decent, I'm going to develop it similarly to Kith/Kin, but I'd like to know I'm getting warmer first. If you post links to other themes, I'll try to incorperate what you like, wether I personally like it or not! Below are with different backgrounds... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_grass.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_leaf.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks.png With buttons... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_btns.png The main difference is that I've broken the slab, and made the outer rim outline protrude even farther from the block while making it more subtle. I've also switched to gray for the window contents. -- -Ken Vermette brilliant. This is well on the way to challenging Mac, IMO. And it's not a copycat. If we go in this direction then the first words I say when showing someone Ubuntu for the first time will no longer have to be don't worry, it doesn't have to look like this Duncan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art It would be great if Ken can make available the svg's or the png's that he used making his mockup. Thay can be used starting developing some candidates GTK made using different engines like Murrine, Clearlooks or Aurora.. It's almoust August so I think we can focus on coding somethig... However, great mockups, it's original and different from OSX and Windows, we can give Ubuntu a real unique appearance! Mario -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Human 2 .deb
this might sound like a stupid question, but why have we switched to emerald? -- Ubuntu FTW! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
fight coporate designs with home-brewed eye-candy :) On 7/27/08, Mario Viviani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Il giorno dom, 27/07/2008 alle 15.42 +0200, Nicholas Ipsen(Sephiroth_VII) ha scritto: Now THIS is what I've been looking for in a new Ubuntu theme. Beautiful work, keep it up, and let's hope it's noticed! On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Duncan Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/26 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not entirely sure about the direction Kin and Kith are taking, especially with the whole OSX smackdown - so I'm trying something new with the themes, posting mockups of the new directions the theme could go flailing into. When I hit something half-decent, I'm going to develop it similarly to Kith/Kin, but I'd like to know I'm getting warmer first. If you post links to other themes, I'll try to incorperate what you like, wether I personally like it or not! Below are with different backgrounds... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_grass.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_leaf.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks.png With buttons... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_btns.png The main difference is that I've broken the slab, and made the outer rim outline protrude even farther from the block while making it more subtle. I've also switched to gray for the window contents. -- -Ken Vermette brilliant. This is well on the way to challenging Mac, IMO. And it's not a copycat. If we go in this direction then the first words I say when showing someone Ubuntu for the first time will no longer have to be don't worry, it doesn't have to look like this Duncan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art It would be great if Ken can make available the svg's or the png's that he used making his mockup. Thay can be used starting developing some candidates GTK made using different engines like Murrine, Clearlooks or Aurora.. It's almoust August so I think we can focus on coding somethig... However, great mockups, it's original and different from OSX and Windows, we can give Ubuntu a real unique appearance! Mario -- Ubuntu FTW! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
sorry, basic html gmail is very bad about top-posting -- Ubuntu FTW! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Human 2 .deb
Well, you don't have to use it, but emerald certainly is somewhat more powerful than GDM . On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 7:05 PM, shadowh511 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this might sound like a stupid question, but why have we switched to emerald? -- Ubuntu FTW! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
Am 26.07.2008 22:50:03 schrieb(en) Ken Vermette: I'm not entirely sure about the direction Kin and Kith are taking, especially with the whole OSX smackdown - so I'm trying something new with the themes, posting mockups of the new directions the theme could go flailing into. When I hit something half-decent, I'm going to develop it similarly to Kith/Kin, but I'd like to know I'm getting warmer first. If you post links to other themes, I'll try to incorperate what you like, wether I personally like it or not! Below are with different backgrounds... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_grass.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_leaf.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks.png With buttons... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_btns.png The main difference is that I've broken the slab, and made the outer rim outline protrude even farther from the block while making it more subtle. I've also switched to gray for the window contents. -- -Ken Vermette --quoted attachment-- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The mockups lock nice, but this won't work. Dark toolbars with bright text combined with bright window-content with dark text won't work together because it is not possible with non- native-gtk applications (like Firefox and OpenOffice). Sure, one could modify the userChrome.css for Firefox but there is no workaround for OpenOffice and others. ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Using the Emerald window decorator (was Re: Human 2 .deb)
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 10:05 -0700, shadowh511 wrote: this might sound like a stupid question, but why have we switched to emerald? Adding to that question: /When/ did we switch to Emerald? Are the developers with capacity to implement this change aware that we want to switch window decorators? Will there be a fix for the resulting confusion with Metacity themes in Appearance preferences changing nothing right now? There is a distro these need to be deployed on, and I don't see that happening with Emerald unless there is a solid plan well in advance. In that regard, I have found one blueprint on Launchpad for Ubuntu, named emerald-integration. The compiz-integration spec also touches on this lightly. Assuming I have not missed anything, I am concerned that building themes to Emerald instead of to Metacity will have an unsatisfying conclusion. Emerald is not the default right now, it is in flux and its accepted theme manager is not nice to use. Metacity has changed a lot in terms of capability, so I think right now is a good time to look into using it for powerful themes. If the appropriate theming features that should be available with a composited window decorator are indeed not present, we need to file bugs and see to getting them implemented for GNOME 2.24 so they can be used. We must keep in mind that 'most users' will use Metacity themes, be it via Metacity or gwd, so that is what needs to look right. Having said that, I love that Emerald is so easy to work with so people can come up with themes and have working examples instead of just mockups. It would be nice if Metacity didn't use such a bizarre system itself. Perhaps it should split out window decorating to another application like Compiz can... Just checking in that nobody has lost sight of the target. -Dylan McCall signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Using the Emerald window decorator (was Re: Human 2 .deb)
The development of emerald is discontinued since some time now. (more than a year I think) I see that it's ridiculously easy to make fancy themes with emerald, but you just shouldn't do it. There isn't a replacement for emerald yet and nobody knows when this successor will be ready and if it will support the old emerald themes format. A short-term solution could be to convert emerald themes to metacity themes. But that's really a lot of work, since you would need to reimplement every emerald 'engine' in a metacity theme. Regards, Patrick -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Using the Emerald window decorator (was Re: Human2 .deb)
The compiz guys are working on a new decorator called Jasper i think. Url: http://jbosveld.blogspot.com/2008/05/i-have-seen-couple-posts-on-forums.html -- José Luis Ricón [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Emerald Decorator Usage
A short-term solution could be to convert emerald themes to metacity themes. But that's really a lot of work, since you would need to reimplement every emerald 'engine' in a metacity theme. Emerald is easy to use to create themes. It is a fantastic tool for prototyping and testing an idea quickly. However, people really need to start putting themes into a form usable by metacity and the gtk-window-decorator when they finish with their design. tonic -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Kim Kahns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 26.07.2008 22:50:03 schrieb(en) Ken Vermette: I'm not entirely sure about the direction Kin and Kith are taking, especially with the whole OSX smackdown - so I'm trying something new with the themes, posting mockups of the new directions the theme could go flailing into. When I hit something half-decent, I'm going to develop it similarly to Kith/Kin, but I'd like to know I'm getting warmer first. If you post links to other themes, I'll try to incorperate what you like, wether I personally like it or not! Below are with different backgrounds... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_grass.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_leaf.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks.png With buttons... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_btns.png The main difference is that I've broken the slab, and made the outer rim outline protrude even farther from the block while making it more subtle. I've also switched to gray for the window contents. -- -Ken Vermette --quoted attachment-- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The mockups lock nice, but this won't work. Dark toolbars with bright text combined with bright window-content with dark text won't work together because it is not possible with non- native-gtk applications (like Firefox and OpenOffice). Sure, one could modify the userChrome.css for Firefox but there is no workaround for OpenOffice and others. ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Aside from firefox (because you can create themes for it) Openoffice could simply not have a dark toolbar, simply looking like any window that doesn't have one of its own. Bigger, more in-depth stuff coming later when I have more time. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
Am 28.07.2008 02:31:11 schrieb(en) Ken Vermette: Aside from firefox (because you can create themes for it) Openoffice could simply not have a dark toolbar, simply looking like any window that doesn't have one of its own. There is no way to do that other than launching openoffice with env GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/ALTERNATETHEME/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ooffice But I don't think that this would be an option. ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Kim Kahns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 28.07.2008 02:31:11 schrieb(en) Ken Vermette: Aside from firefox (because you can create themes for it) Openoffice could simply not have a dark toolbar, simply looking like any window that doesn't have one of its own. There is no way to do that other than launching openoffice with env GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/ALTERNATETHEME/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ooffice But I don't think that this would be an option. ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art New batch, I tried to get everyones ideas in here. The only thing I did differently from the suggestions was the buttons, the gray background to them just made it all feel more solid. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_clouds_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_trnthtfrnupsddwn_r2.png aaand... The development SVG. One thing about the SVG is that it's -very- rough. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin_Intrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=kin_piano_rev2.svg As a thought, please tell me if you like the idea; but what if we create an all-brown dark theme for the root account? With the root set as a matching all-brown theme, users will still see when they're using the root account, and the windows will look half-decent (as opposed to using the most generic theme settings) Again, any suggestions will be implemented one way or another! Also, I'm thinking of getting a team together to work on a complete version of this style, from login screens to avant colour schemes aswell assuming thingskeep going in the right direction. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
