Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Question

2008-11-29 Thread bit7
On 26.11.2008 18:50, Anton Kerezov wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I haven't been writing in the mailing list for some long time but now I
> have PC and Internet connection so I can continue my work on New Wave
> theme. I may not be able to spare as much time as before but the work on
> the theme will continue.

I am glad to read, that you will work on your great theme.

> Now I'm working on newer version that is going to have some enchanters
> such as animation-like behaviour of check and option buttons as well as
> better focus system (images). One thing that bothers me and other people
> though is the menubar+titlebar looking too flat or strange. So I'd like
> you to help me with some ideas. I'm thinking of adding some kind of
> texture but I don't know what. Plese share your opinion freely. Every
> word could be the key to some inspiration!

The flat style titlebar with the nice techy close, minimize and maximize 
looks great in my opinion. What i think is that this flat style doesn't 
really fit with the gradient scrollbar and gui styles. The titlebar 
could looks like the texture/gradient of the scrollbar.
Or everything has the same flat darkstyle like the titlebar.

If you want look like os x window style, decent dark metallic texture 
would be nice too.

Personally i like flat styles.

bit7


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Yukai theme ( Metacity )

2008-11-29 Thread David Z
hm, I think you should try to darken the orange and change the text
colour to white. Also the text should be boldened

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Yukai theme ( Metacity )

2008-11-29 Thread Joshua Booth
Looks rather 70s, actually. The third one with the lines disrupts the
readability and just looks rather "out there." I prefer the second because
having the orange polygon in the middle looks out of place.

The curve of the minimize button is rather grainy, either from the
resolution or the way it was made. I suggest making it smoother.

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Bart Van Loy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone ,
>
> I'm working on a new theme as i told before .
> I did some more work on the buttons , giving it a smoother look .
>
> Here you'll find it :
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Auticoder
>
> Feel free to comment
>
> Greetings ,
>
> Bart
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Re: [ubuntu-art] How should an Ubuntu button widget look like?

2008-11-29 Thread Anton Kerezov
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Robert Staudinger <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Right, and I'm not sure how to best do that. The problem is that gtk
> draws the focus indicator in a separate operation.
>
> Something like this may work though, assume "rect(t, r, b, l)" gives
> the position of the button image without `aura':
>
> /* Draw the button itself, from the image that includes the `aura'. */
> GtkButton[has-default=true][has-focus=true] {
>border-image: url(theme.svg#button-default-focused) 8 9 6 9;
>-moz-image-region: rect(t, r, b, l);
> }
>
> /* Draw the `aura' (aka focus indicator). */
> GtkButton[has-default=true][has-focus=true] > gtk-focus-indicator {
>border-image: url(theme.svg#button-default-focused) 8 9 6 9;
>clip: rect(t, r, b, l);
> }
>
> Need to try and find out how it works out. Also `-moz-image-region'
> [1] and `clip' are not yet supported in libccss.
>
> [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/-moz-image-region
>
> - Rob
>
>
I wish I knew CSS so that I can make a theme using the new engine. It seems
to handle these default things good as well as it may turn out to be very
feature rich after some months of theme experiments.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] How should an Ubuntu button widget look like?

2008-11-29 Thread Robert Staudinger
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 10:55 +0100, Robert Staudinger wrote:

[...]

>> The concept of `focus auras' is very well supported in Gtk+, look at
>> [1] for more info.
>>
>> [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes/GtkButton
>
> Oh, that's good :)
>
> However, the css-engine will need to support that, then.
> The SVG template doesn't take this possibility into account at all
> (yet) ;)

Right, and I'm not sure how to best do that. The problem is that gtk
draws the focus indicator in a separate operation.

Something like this may work though, assume "rect(t, r, b, l)" gives
the position of the button image without `aura':

/* Draw the button itself, from the image that includes the `aura'. */
GtkButton[has-default=true][has-focus=true] {
border-image: url(theme.svg#button-default-focused) 8 9 6 9;
-moz-image-region: rect(t, r, b, l);
}

/* Draw the `aura' (aka focus indicator). */
GtkButton[has-default=true][has-focus=true] > gtk-focus-indicator {
border-image: url(theme.svg#button-default-focused) 8 9 6 9;
clip: rect(t, r, b, l);
}

Need to try and find out how it works out. Also `-moz-image-region'
[1] and `clip' are not yet supported in libccss.

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/-moz-image-region

- Rob

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Re: [ubuntu-art] How should an Ubuntu button widget look like?

2008-11-29 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 10:55 +0100, Robert Staudinger wrote:

> > It's a good start. Sadly the "auras" for the focused states extend to
> > outside the button area. This will not work without special support.
> 
> The concept of `focus auras' is very well supported in Gtk+, look at
> [1] for more info.
> 
> [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes/GtkButton

Oh, that's good :)

However, the css-engine will need to support that, then.
The SVG template doesn't take this possibility into account at all
(yet) ;)


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Re: [ubuntu-art] How should an Ubuntu button widget look like?

2008-11-29 Thread Robert Staudinger
Hello,

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 14:59 -0300, spg76 wrote:

[...]

>> You can look them at
>> http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5617/buttonsetvs9.png.
>> They are a little raw, but it's my first attempt :)
>
> It's a good start. Sadly the "auras" for the focused states extend to
> outside the button area. This will not work without special support.

The concept of `focus auras' is very well supported in Gtk+, look at
[1] for more info.

[1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes/GtkButton

- Rob
(gtk-css-engine maintainer)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] How should an Ubuntu button widget look like?

2008-11-29 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 10:03 +0200, Anton Kerezov wrote:
> 
> I have one more question though: When is this Default button state
> used?

Have a look at the Open dialog of any application using the GTK/Gnome
standard, e.g. Gedit. Default is on Open. Focus is on the file list.

If you hit the Tab key several times, you will see the Open key can also
have both Default and Focus and that the Cancel key will have Default
and Focus indication at once.

It's very clear with the Human theme. Of course other themes and engines
could ignore the Default state.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] How should an Ubuntu button widget look like?

2008-11-29 Thread Anton Kerezov
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Generally, the template is prepared for the css-engine. It can already
> use the template SVG file, but things are still in flux and will remain
> so since there are many widgets to add ;)


The rest of the widgets are easy. We just need to define the form of buttons
and entries (textboxes) and almost all of the other widgets are some
variations of these two and can be created fast.

I have one more question though: When is this Default button state used? At
first I thought it was when you open an app and the button responding to
pressing Enter is the default. But then (with the pixmap engine) I realised
that this kind of buttons just get focus and the default image is not
displayed. What do you think?



>
> Regarding such auras, graphics that extend beyond the initial size of a
> widget: I don't know if any current engine can do it or if the
> css-engine will support it in the future.


I haven't heard of one either. Probably some attempts for this are being
made with the aurora engie but it has not been updated for a very  long
time.


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