Re: [ubuntu-art] .doc, .xls, etc icons in Humanity Update
The biggest reason it's better too recognize. If you got ten thousand icons for 1 sort of file it get's anoying and confusing. On 17 February 2010 16:38, Merk merkin...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm not asking why the OS X was directly copied instead of either Windows one. I'm asking why any existing Word icon was copied at all. Joeri Jungschlager wrote: It has too do with the law, Apple is much more of a social company then Microsoft. Think apple putted on a flexible license. (like CC/GPL/APSL) I think the last one is apple used. Microsoft I pretty sure they not. On 16 February 2010 20:39, Merk merkin...@hotmail.com wrote: So I see a lot of nice changes with the humanity icon update. However the icons for .doc, .xls etc are really bothersome. The icons are blatantly ripped off the OSX version of Office. Why? I can understand having a W be pronounced in the icon for .doc like all versions of word, but why make the W exactly like that in the OSX version? Most people coming to Ubuntu would be coming from Windows if anything. I removed the Mac OS X Word W and replaced it simply with the Ubuntu Title Font and already find it an improvement http://old.nabble.com/file/p27613841/humanity.png Current Humanity .doc file http://old.nabble.com/file/p27613841/humanity2.png Slight change to Humanity .doc file -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/.doc%2C-.xls%2C-etc-icons-in-Humanity-Update-tp27613841p27613841.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- J.D. Jungschlager Telephone: +31647843040 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/.doc%2C-.xls%2C-etc-icons-in-Humanity-Update-tp27613841p27625636.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- J.D. Jungschlager Telephone: +31647843040 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] .doc, .xls, etc icons in Humanity Update
Kenneth Wimer a écrit : On Wednesday 17 February 2010 06:17:12 pm Vishnoo wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:44 +0100, François Degrave wrote: Vishnoo a écrit : On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:18 +0100, François Degrave wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:04 +0100, François Degrave wrote: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 07:38:23 am Merk wrote: I'm not asking why the OS X was directly copied instead of either Windows one. I'm asking why any existing Word icon was copied at all. It is a mimetype and as such needs to visually represent a certain type of file. It goes without saying that when everyone associates a certain look/letter/number with something they don't search for other visual metaphors. People expect certain things to look certain ways ;) -- Ken Ok but it feels uncomfortable Thats really awesome. :) Then using those files types should be reduced rather than complaining about the icon ;) Those filetypes are supported by OOo. No need to associate them to icons referencing to Ms applications not supported under Linux. The icon is used only when someone is saving the file to be MS office complaint. Why cant we stop using that format , rather than nit-pick over what one has just chosen to continue to support? As far as I know, there is no reference to Adobe in the pdf files icons. I'd suggest you check again ;) Ok well, you are right. And that is basically... lame. Evince is the default PDF reader, why should the icon be related to Adobe? There is a difference between PDF and Adobe / Evince. :) PDF is an _open_ Portable Document Format. and the logo isnt even been used in full. ;) Adobe is a company with several apps and Reader , Acrobat is the pdf reader and editor respectively. Note the adobe logo isnt used. Their logo is different. Evince is an app too and not a format ... Even under MacOSX the pdf files icons have no reference to the Adobe brand, I think this is (mainly) due to the differences that Apple and Adobe have had. In the past I have had problems using Adobe's PDF logo in another icon set I worked on. They contacted us and told us to change it. It is a slippery slope, you want to make it recognizable but yet different enough to avoid legal problems. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Icon_Design has some valuable info, specifically http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/MimeType_Icons -- Ken I'd rather think this is because Adobe has nothing to do with pdf anymore; I still think that no reference to an app should appear in a file icon if this app is not installed and meant to deal with this kind of files. I truly think that a file icon containing a Adobe logo means to the user: if I open this, it will be launched in Adobe Reader. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] .doc, .xls, etc icons in Humanity Update
True but that can be depending on the PDF program wich your standard I use xPDF. But I don't know I use Linux too practilly edit everything in my own habbit so what is the use of the icons I have Office 2007 via Play On Linux.then it runs and you see difference in Icons cause it's a windows compablity layer. 2010/2/18 François Degrave fdegr...@gmail.com Kenneth Wimer a écrit : On Wednesday 17 February 2010 06:17:12 pm Vishnoo wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:44 +0100, François Degrave wrote: Vishnoo a écrit : On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:18 +0100, François Degrave wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:04 +0100, François Degrave wrote: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 07:38:23 am Merk wrote: I'm not asking why the OS X was directly copied instead of either Windows one. I'm asking why any existing Word icon was copied at all. It is a mimetype and as such needs to visually represent a certain type of file. It goes without saying that when everyone associates a certain look/letter/number with something they don't search for other visual metaphors. People expect certain things to look certain ways ;) -- Ken Ok but it feels uncomfortable Thats really awesome. :) Then using those files types should be reduced rather than complaining about the icon ;) Those filetypes are supported by OOo. No need to associate them to icons referencing to Ms applications not supported under Linux. The icon is used only when someone is saving the file to be MS office complaint. Why cant we stop using that format , rather than nit-pick over what one has just chosen to continue to support? As far as I know, there is no reference to Adobe in the pdf files icons. I'd suggest you check again ;) Ok well, you are right. And that is basically... lame. Evince is the default PDF reader, why should the icon be related to Adobe? There is a difference between PDF and Adobe / Evince. :) PDF is an _open_ Portable Document Format. and the logo isnt even been used in full. ;) Adobe is a company with several apps and Reader , Acrobat is the pdf reader and editor respectively. Note the adobe logo isnt used. Their logo is different. Evince is an app too and not a format ... Even under MacOSX the pdf files icons have no reference to the Adobe brand, I think this is (mainly) due to the differences that Apple and Adobe have had. In the past I have had problems using Adobe's PDF logo in another icon set I worked on. They contacted us and told us to change it. It is a slippery slope, you want to make it recognizable but yet different enough to avoid legal problems. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Icon_Design has some valuable info, specifically http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/MimeType_Icons -- Ken I'd rather think this is because Adobe has nothing to do with pdf anymore; I still think that no reference to an app should appear in a file icon if this app is not installed and meant to deal with this kind of files. I truly think that a file icon containing a Adobe logo means to the user: if I open this, it will be launched in Adobe Reader. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- J.D. Jungschlager Telephone: +31647843040 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] .doc, .xls, etc icons in Humanity Update
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 09:13 +0100, François Degrave wrote: I'd rather think this is because Adobe has nothing to do with pdf anymore; I still think that no reference to an app should appear in a file icon if this app is not installed and meant to deal with this kind of files. I truly think that a file icon containing a Adobe logo means to the user: if I open this, it will be launched in Adobe Reader. I agree. However, it shouldn't be about what is installed. I'd say: a mime-type icon should, or rather may, only include or refer to an application icon, if that application is the only one that deals with that file-type (ability to open files in a text-editor or hex-viewer or similar doesn't count, of course). -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] .doc, .xls, etc icons in Humanity Update
Thorsten Wilms a écrit : On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 09:13 +0100, François Degrave wrote: I'd rather think this is because Adobe has nothing to do with pdf anymore; I still think that no reference to an app should appear in a file icon if this app is not installed and meant to deal with this kind of files. I truly think that a file icon containing a Adobe logo means to the user: if I open this, it will be launched in Adobe Reader. I agree. However, it shouldn't be about what is installed. I'd say: a mime-type icon should, or rather may, only include or refer to an application icon, if that application is the only one that deals with that file-type (ability to open files in a text-editor or hex-viewer or similar doesn't count, of course). I totally agree. That means doc, xls, ppt files should not refer to Ms Office apps, neither should pdf refer to Adobe or psd to Photoshop -- ok the last one is the only that can entirely deal with psd, however some image viewers can render psd nicely and The Gimp can edit them to a certain extend (plus it seems strange to have a reference in Linux to an app that is not even available on this platform). -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] .doc, .xls, etc icons in Humanity Update
It would be aviable soon. EU rules practilly take care of that. 2010/2/18 François Degrave fdegr...@gmail.com Thorsten Wilms a écrit : On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 09:13 +0100, François Degrave wrote: I'd rather think this is because Adobe has nothing to do with pdf anymore; I still think that no reference to an app should appear in a file icon if this app is not installed and meant to deal with this kind of files. I truly think that a file icon containing a Adobe logo means to the user: if I open this, it will be launched in Adobe Reader. I agree. However, it shouldn't be about what is installed. I'd say: a mime-type icon should, or rather may, only include or refer to an application icon, if that application is the only one that deals with that file-type (ability to open files in a text-editor or hex-viewer or similar doesn't count, of course). I totally agree. That means doc, xls, ppt files should not refer to Ms Office apps, neither should pdf refer to Adobe or psd to Photoshop -- ok the last one is the only that can entirely deal with psd, however some image viewers can render psd nicely and The Gimp can edit them to a certain extend (plus it seems strange to have a reference in Linux to an app that is not even available on this platform). -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- J.D. Jungschlager Telephone: +31647843040 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
