Re: [ubuntu-art] intrepid update

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

I haven't seen the version in the PPA but Kenneth, is the Ibex on the left or
the right? They're on the right for this very reason, though I think I
remember showing a few studies where it's on the left.


vs-4 wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't like the Ibex from the left side. Firefox has as default saving
> files to Desktop, removeable medias show their icon also on desktop. Both
> starts from left side, so the ibex is immediately covered by icons.
> So I like the version where ibex is from the right side.
> DarkRoom theme looks little bit better, but still there are better dark
> theme with ubuntu feeling (like this
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Glow+Ibex?content=87514 )
> 
> Vit
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> Anyone running Intrepid can check out the newest stuff on my ppa. I
>> changed
>> the wallpaper, human-theme package (NewHuman is now called DarkRoom) as
>> well
>> as the ubuntu-artwork package itself, setting a panel bg for the Human
>> theme
>> as well as setting a key for it to stretch.
>>
>> Have Fun,
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> P.S. Let me know if you find any bugs!
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Wubi Website Artwork

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Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen-2 wrote:
> 
> 2008/10/8 Thomas L.G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:
>> > I have to say, I don't like the idea. One of the main wubi tasks is to
>> > show to the user that he can leave the world of windows. And normally,
>> you
>> > are leaving using doors, not windows. The picture of the window makes
>> me
>> > feel that I am somewhere where I can't leave the room, even if there is
>> > beautiful landscape outside.
>> > So exactly the oposite of that what wubi should actually do.
>> >
>> > Vit Svarc
>> >
>> >
>> That's your interpretation of it. My interpretation when I saw the image
>> was different. I saw a room with a window representing MS Windows. The
>> room itself creates limits with its walls, and your only glimpse at
>> freedom is through the window. I want to fly through the window, out of
>> the walls and limits, towards the free landscape, green grass, the world
>> of linux and open source/free software :)
>>
>> In that sense I think it's a bit sarcastic as well, in the terms that
>> WUBI is "linux inside a Windows box", like "limited freedom". In the
>> photo the viewer is positioned inside the walls, and only gets a glimpse
>> of the freedom.
> 
> 
> Yes :-) This is exactly why I actually love this illustration. This subtle
> sarcasm is spot on :-)
> 
> Perhaps removing the wall from the image to make a transparent bg will
> make
> it easier to integrate into websites. If one wanted to strengthen the
> sarcastic note subtle semi-transparent outlines of bricks could be added
> as
> a wall.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

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Smartboy wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Rico Sta. Cruz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>>
>> Okay, update. Here's a more sophisticated remix (at least I'd like to
>> think)
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper
>>
>> Direct link to image:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=earthenibex-full-text.png
>>
>>
>> Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
>> >
>> > If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
>> > http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
>> > ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
>> > (bummer!).
>> >
>> > SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
>> > isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
>> > http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
>> > (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> Wow! Thats fantastic! I think that if you got rid of the ubuntu logo, text
> and slogan, then it could seriously contend to be part of Ubuntu. I wonder
> if Ken is still watching this, because the current wallpaper in ibex is
> creating a storm of angry people, and since he said on his blog its a
> test,
> then I think he still may be open to wallpapers (we can always hope).
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Updated with some cleanups (getting rid of the too much scatter, and the
background texture was cleaned up to not be so dominant)
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=earthenibex-edit.png
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe - "Start-Here" image.

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Smartboy wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:25 AM, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> 2008/10/2 Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>> So we need a "start-here" image. It's the one used in the Applications
>>> menu.
>>>
>>> Here's the example of the one for Oxygen:
>>> http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/5602/startherebd7.png
>>>
>>> Ours obviously needs to be the Ubuntu logo. SVG:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=UbuntuCoF.svg
>>>
>>> So lets see what you crazy kids can com up with. :)
>>>
>>> -Cory K. 
>>>
>>
>> This is taken from the Clear_Intrepid submission on the wiki but I think
>> something
>> like this:
>> http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/Oak37_2006/clearintrepid_start.png
>>
>> would be really good. I don't know any of the technical limitations that
>> might
>> make this unfeasible but the idea of a three-dimensional logo is what I
>> was
>> getting at.
>>
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> The overlap isn't possible right now though, David. Gnome 3's panel might
> be
> able to do this when created but it can't be done now.
> 
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I fail to see why we would need anything more than what we already have.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

The textless version is available somewhere. It's the second version on
http://customize.org/wallpapers/60284 .
(Though personally I'd advise against including it in the distribution!)


Smartboy wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Rico Sta. Cruz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>>
>> Okay, update. Here's a more sophisticated remix (at least I'd like to
>> think)
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper
>>
>> Direct link to image:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=earthenibex-full-text.png
>>
>>
>> Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
>> >
>> > If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
>> > http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
>> > ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
>> > (bummer!).
>> >
>> > SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
>> > isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
>> > http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
>> > (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> Wow! Thats fantastic! I think that if you got rid of the ubuntu logo, text
> and slogan, then it could seriously contend to be part of Ubuntu. I wonder
> if Ken is still watching this, because the current wallpaper in ibex is
> creating a storm of angry people, and since he said on his blog its a
> test,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

1920x1200. Just resize/crop it down as needed.


Thomas L.G wrote:
> 
> Rico Sta. Cruz skrev:
>> Okay, update. Here's a more sophisticated remix (at least I'd like to
>> think)
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper
>>
>> Direct link to image:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=earthenibex-full-text.png
>>
>>   
> Holy cow, that looks great Rico! Absolutely wonderful. What sizes is it 
> available in?
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Okay, update. Here's a more sophisticated remix (at least I'd like to think)
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper

Direct link to image:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=earthenibex-full-text.png


Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
> 
> If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
> http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
> ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
> (bummer!).
> 
> SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
> isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
> http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
> (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
> 
> 
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[ubuntu-art] Inspiration mockups.

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Hi everyone.

Just want to show everyone a few things I've been working on. Note that
these aren't proposed Ubuntu mockups or anything, just more of a "let's see
if anything inspiring can come out of it" thing.

Just sharing. I hope one of these can inspire someone out there.

#1) Sin
I've always thought that something interesting can come out of using
textures. Here's a quick test.
http://customize.org/download/screenshots/57766/57576/Sin._(WIP).jpg

#2) Bamboo
What about taking that textures further (to the point of overkill)? Also,
what about thick borders?
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7209/bamboosk4.jpg

#3) Studio (!)
Here's a refinement of Bamboo to fit the Ubuntu Studio brand somehow. (_MMA_
are you listening? :)
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/263/studiomd0.jpg

#4) Spirit
How about excessive use of gradients?
http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/spirit-test-2.jpg
http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/spirit-test-3.jpg


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Wubi Website Artwork

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

This artwork is not even official. Consider it "Ubuntu fan art." :) Not to
mention that I think it clashes against the site!
Also, I think one of the requirements mentioned was that it should be
release-neutral and not be specific to Ibex.


Vincent Moulin wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 12:10 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Agostino Russo (xivulon) is in need of a replacement for the heron on
>> http://www.wubi-installer.org/
>> 
>> While an Ibex would be acceptable, it might be better to have something
>> more creative that doesn't need to be changed for every release.
>> 
>> 
>> Ideas for the website design to get away from the red which has been
>> regarded as being too aggressive are also welcome.
>> 
>> Please keep his address in the CC field, if you have something to offer
>> here :)
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I guess you can us this one :
> http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust menubar evolution

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Nah.
Let me explain my reason for going with the light-default, dark-exceptions
toolbar rule:

1) I can't be sure that third-party applications will like the dark
toolbars. Having light as default will ensure better compatibility with more
applications.

2) The dark toolbars can be overwhelming. I thought it'd be wise to limit
the # of apps that use it. I've limited it to applications that, like I
said, use everything below the toolbars as content area (Firefox, Evince PDF
viewer, Nautilus...) -- rationale being the toolbars (functions) are
separate from the main show (the content), which IMHO is quite intuitive and
addressess most people's complaints of "having both dark and light at the
same window."

I hope that clears things up!


Adam Gusztav Nagy wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 19:43 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
>> Hi everyone.
>> 
>> Just wanted to show you guys the recent unreleased developments on this
>> theme.
>> 
>> 1) Light toolbars
>> The toolbars are going to be light by default. The dark, menu-integrated
>> toolbars will still be used by browser- and viewer-type applications
>> where
>> the entire area below the toolbars is dedicated to content (i.e.:
>> Firefox,
>> Nautilus, Eye of Gnome, Evince...)
>> 
>> http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9896/dusttoolbarko0.png
>> 
>> Rationale: Aside from the fact that the dark toolbars cause problems on
>> certain apps, I wanted to create a distinction between types of
>> applications, while still staying visually coherent. If you look at OSX,
>> there are certain apps that use a different look (brushed metal) from the
>> rest, but the interface still manages to be solid.
> 
> 
> isnt it possible to make the opposite of it? and make the dark toolbar
> default, and than define the apps (for example with the ones with java
> interfaces, which cant handle the dark widget like openoffice, firefox,
> freemind, etc) that would use the light toolbar?
> maybe it is possible to set all the java interfaces at one place, like 
> widget "JAVAGtkWidget*Toolbar*"   style "murrine-default"
> just a guess.
> what do you think?
> 
>> 2) Light version.
>> Just tryin' it out. Here's "Sand":
>> 
>> http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4532/dustsand2ks2.png
>> 
>> 3) New scrollbars!
>> Okay, I'm sure there will be vehement reactions to this. Bear with me as
>> scrollbars are *hard* to design: you can never be sure they will look
>> good
>> everywhere! With that out of the way, here they are:
>> 
>>http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6352/dustnewscrollbarsfj4.png
>> 
>> 
>> Comments welcome.
>> 
>> 
>> PRGUY85 wrote:
>> > 
>> > *Hi all.
>> > 
>> > I've been testing Dust theme since its first release, very kind of it,
>> but
>> > I
>> > think we're getting away from the original mockup, sometimes it's good,
>> > but
>> > sometimes it's bad : looking at the menubars, the original mockup is
>> very
>> > clean. It's dark, compact, and the gradient is very soft, quite clean
>> in
>> > fact. Looking back at the actual version of Dust, there are gradients
>> > everywhere in the top of a window :). Three of them in a Nautilus
>> window,
>> > which is a little confusing I must say. Plus, the colors have gone
>> lighter
>> > and lighter, and we now have a dark _grey_ theme, instead of the
>> original
>> > dark one. Now Dust feels much glossier, I think, and less usable IMHO.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Screenshot : http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8178/dustmenubargv6.png .
>> > 
>> > And keep up the great work !
>> > 
>> > Steph.*
>> > 
>> > Totally agree.  Dust had me in the beginning but it has gone way off
>> > the first released mockup.  I think the 3 different gradient areas in
>> > Nautilus should be worked into one unison color gradient.
>> > Here is where I prefer New Wave, however Dust has a great metacity
>> > theme and the black is better than the gray at times in my opinion.
>> > Keep up the good work.
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust menubar evolution

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New release: Dust 0.2!
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/DustTheme

As for the round WM buttons, consider them as placeholders as I was too lazy
to port the Dust WM buttons onto the light one. :b

(kwwii: I think I'm too late here, but if this new releases could be pushed
for the community-themes that'd be awesome.)


Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 19:43 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
> 
>> 1) Light toolbars
>> http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9896/dusttoolbarko0.png
> 
> That's interesting. Although, conceptually, the menu-bar is much closer
> to the tool-bar than to the title-bar.
> 
> 
>> 2) Light version.
>> http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4532/dustsand2ks2.png
> 
> Promising. Round wm-buttons move it towards Apple, though, I'd say, as
> much as I dislike worrying about that :)
> 
> 
>> 3) New scrollbars!
>>http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6352/dustnewscrollbarsfj4.png
> 
> The shading of the trough looks a bit like an overdose of ambient
> occlusion. I think you would do better with thinner shadows on the
> sides. The idea of letting the bar run out on the ends is an interesting
> touch. The slider looks like it is offset to the left from the middle.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust menubar evolution

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Hi everyone.

Just wanted to show you guys the recent unreleased developments on this
theme.

1) Light toolbars
The toolbars are going to be light by default. The dark, menu-integrated
toolbars will still be used by browser- and viewer-type applications where
the entire area below the toolbars is dedicated to content (i.e.: Firefox,
Nautilus, Eye of Gnome, Evince...)

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9896/dusttoolbarko0.png

Rationale: Aside from the fact that the dark toolbars cause problems on
certain apps, I wanted to create a distinction between types of
applications, while still staying visually coherent. If you look at OSX,
there are certain apps that use a different look (brushed metal) from the
rest, but the interface still manages to be solid.

2) Light version.
Just tryin' it out. Here's "Sand":

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4532/dustsand2ks2.png

3) New scrollbars!
Okay, I'm sure there will be vehement reactions to this. Bear with me as
scrollbars are *hard* to design: you can never be sure they will look good
everywhere! With that out of the way, here they are:

   http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6352/dustnewscrollbarsfj4.png


Comments welcome.


PRGUY85 wrote:
> 
> *Hi all.
> 
> I've been testing Dust theme since its first release, very kind of it, but
> I
> think we're getting away from the original mockup, sometimes it's good,
> but
> sometimes it's bad : looking at the menubars, the original mockup is very
> clean. It's dark, compact, and the gradient is very soft, quite clean in
> fact. Looking back at the actual version of Dust, there are gradients
> everywhere in the top of a window :). Three of them in a Nautilus window,
> which is a little confusing I must say. Plus, the colors have gone lighter
> and lighter, and we now have a dark _grey_ theme, instead of the original
> dark one. Now Dust feels much glossier, I think, and less usable IMHO.
> 
> 
> Screenshot : http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8178/dustmenubargv6.png .
> 
> And keep up the great work !
> 
> Steph.*
> 
> Totally agree.  Dust had me in the beginning but it has gone way off
> the first released mockup.  I think the 3 different gradient areas in
> Nautilus should be worked into one unison color gradient.
> Here is where I prefer New Wave, however Dust has a great metacity
> theme and the black is better than the gray at times in my opinion.
> Keep up the good work.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

PS, dudes. Forgive me father for I have sinned.


Adam Gusztav Nagy wrote:
> 
> Rico!
> 
> what did u use to make that ibex? ps or gimp?
> 
> 
> On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 04:13 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
>> If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
>> http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
>> ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
>> (bummer!).
>> 
>> SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
>> isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
>> http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
>> (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
>> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Aw, bummer. Imageshack resized it down. Use this link instead:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/114190/2009%20Dust/bare.png


Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
> 
> If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
> http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
> ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
> (bummer!).
> 
> SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
> isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
> http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
> (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
> 
> 
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[ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
(bummer!).

SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
(Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Help Testing Dust Theme

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

I've a guideline document listing down common applications that the theme
would ideally work with. Others who are also developing themes may also be
interested in this list.

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/dusttheme/+spec/applications-compatibility



John Baer wrote:
> 
> I downloaded the "Dust-20080920.tar.gz" file from the Wiki and when I
> attempt to extract the contents I receive an error. :(
> 
> I was able to get some items from the archive by pulling them out
> one-by-one.
> 
> Placing the folder "Dust" into my ".themes" folder did permit me to
> choose the theme.
> 
> But I do not know what engine I'm using. I assume "Metacity"? If this is
> true, what about "Murrine"?
> 
> What would be helpful is a testing guide.
> 
> Test Dust "Metacity" engine
> 
> Step 1
> ... Do this
> 
> Step 2
> ... Do this
> 
> Test Dust "Murrine" engine
> 
> Step 1
> ... Do this
> 
> Test "Borderless" function
> 
> etc.
> 
> I apologize if I am making this too hard. I am using Intrepid Alpha 6 as
> my test OS.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Just a word of advice:
It's a bit of a moot point to decide on which to go with: a warm
(beige/orange) or neutral grey color scheme. Some will always prefer one
over the other.

IMHO, you don't have to adjust the colors of your theme just because
everyone clamored to have it as orange/yellow/grey/blue. Color schemes are
probably one of the most subjective things. Just stick to your vision and
make the nicest execution for what you have in mind. Anyway, the colors are
adjustable for a reason: those who prefer a grey scheme can always adjust
the colors themselves.


Cheers!
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Announcing Project Kyūdō

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Re: The Kyudo foundation document:
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/KyudoGuidelines/Foundation)

WOW! I think this is spot on. We need a vision to keep the contributors on
track, and I think this is just the right initiative to make that vision and
push it forward.

The "target audience" I think is particularly valuable. Whenever something
big comes along, people would voice out their distaste over brown/orange or
small buttons, which leads some artworks to a mediocre direction via
design-by-committee. What we instead need to do is keep a good *vision* and
work with a *target audience* in mind.

At any rate, this is a good 'brief' to steer the direction of the Ubuntu
brand. We have always worked with the guideline "make something kickass" --
which, IMHO, is not a very good brief.

So what's next for Kyudo? Here are some of my thoughts on where to go from
here:

 - Polish, distill, disseminate.
   The current 'Foundation' document has a good message to it. Perhaps it's
time to polish this, make it into something that can easily be communicated,
and spread the vision to those interested in contributing.

 - Involve people.
   I'll personally try to contribute whatever I can to this. Anyone else?

 - Make proposals into how to 'concretize' the vision.
   Once we got the vision down, it's time to make that into something
clearer. Define the constraints. What one-sentence statement do we want to
put across? What elements of the current Ubuntu brand should we retain? Do
we work with a dark palette? etc...

 - Define the short-term goals.
   The Kyudo project has quite an astronomic target ("optimize
presentation", which I guess can extend to branding, upstream projects,
etc). Not exactly a bad thing, we but gotta define the next steps. We can't
do all of these in one go, but what are we to do now? Do we work on themes?
Icons? etc...
   

* * *

Re: "Our current process may not be efficient, but it is very free in
allowing people to create what they would like to see Ubuntu use."
(--Smartboy)

The current process encourages participation alright, but this includes
serious and thoughtless participation alike. I've seen some contributions
that stray far from the vision of Ubuntu -- IMHO a protocol like the one
proposed will help guide these contributors to the right direction.

Participation may drop, but IMHO we're not after a large number of
participants contributing noise. "Signal" contributions would be much
better, even if in lesser quantity.


Thorsten Wilms wrote:
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> Hi!
> 
> While the theme team process seems to work very well now, I think we
> could do better. My allies and I would like to push things towards a
> solid design process.
> 
> One that starts with the question what it actually is what we want to
> achieve, what our message is and who we are addressing. Goals we can
> agree on and that will lead us through the design, helping us to
> collaborate in a larger team in a meaningful way.
> 
> A process that will lead us out of the shadows of purely personal
> opinion and hidden assumptions towards the light of reason.
> 
> A process where we will not jump unto the first idea, but develop and
> test several designs for each little part. Where we will not restart on
> the next cycle, but build upon the existing. Continuous refinement.
> 
> One that will offer anyone a chance to learn about design in a deeper
> way and that will show onlookers that we are damn serious while we enjoy
> the ride!
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/KyudoGuidelines
> 
> 
> Please read through it carefully. As you can see, it is by no means
> complete. That's where you come in! All content, all questions and
> suggestions can be discussed right here. Consider to start new threads
> for specifics. Tell us how you think and feel about this!
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Help Testing Dust Theme

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Dust has now been migrated to Launchpad.
I've set up bug trackers for the GTK and Firefox themes. Please use them for
any bug reports:

   https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme
   https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme-firefox

You can also check out the code over at https://launchpad.net/dusttheme and
https://launchpad.net/dusttheme-firefox.

(Btw, Dust Firefox is also out:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme)


John Baer wrote:
> 
> I downloaded the "Dust-20080920.tar.gz" file from the Wiki and when I
> attempt to extract the contents I receive an error. :(
> 
> I was able to get some items from the archive by pulling them out
> one-by-one.
> 
> Placing the folder "Dust" into my ".themes" folder did permit me to
> choose the theme.
> 
> But I do not know what engine I'm using. I assume "Metacity"? If this is
> true, what about "Murrine"?
> 
> What would be helpful is a testing guide.
> 
> Test Dust "Metacity" engine
> 
> Step 1
> ... Do this
> 
> Step 2
> ... Do this
> 
> Test Dust "Murrine" engine
> 
> Step 1
> ... Do this
> 
> Test "Borderless" function
> 
> etc.
> 
> I apologize if I am making this too hard. I am using Intrepid Alpha 6 as
> my test OS.
> 
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> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Help Testing Dust Theme

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Thanks. I've found this bug myself but I don't know how to fix it. If any GTK
gurus can help point us to the right direction, please do. :)

A similar bug exists with unison-gtk (not a standard app, but one that I use
a lot).

On a related note, Dust will soon be migrated to LP, so it'll be easier to
collaborate between me and Kido (the two main theme developers), and for the
others to file bugs and submit patches.


R


Michael Stephenson wrote:
> 
> Attached is a screenshot of gparted, the device selector needs a
> workaround. Also Banshee doesn't exactly show the theme off as it was
> intended, I don't know how much can be done about Banshee though.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Help Testing Dust Theme

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Dust is a theme (as with the other community themes), not a piece of software
with many functions. There's no need to put a testing framework in place.
Just test all the things included there (Dust, Dust Aurora, Dust Borderless)
and the Firefox theme (if you found it).

Also, I repackaged it -- I hope that gets rid of some of the tarball-related
errors.


-Rico


John Baer wrote:
> 
> I downloaded the "Dust-20080920.tar.gz" file from the Wiki and when I
> attempt to extract the contents I receive an error. :(
> 
> I was able to get some items from the archive by pulling them out
> one-by-one.
> 
> Placing the folder "Dust" into my ".themes" folder did permit me to
> choose the theme.
> 
> But I do not know what engine I'm using. I assume "Metacity"? If this is
> true, what about "Murrine"?
> 
> What would be helpful is a testing guide.
> 
> Test Dust "Metacity" engine
> 
> Step 1
> ... Do this
> 
> Step 2
> ... Do this
> 
> Test Dust "Murrine" engine
> 
> Step 1
> ... Do this
> 
> Test "Borderless" function
> 
> etc.
> 
> I apologize if I am making this too hard. I am using Intrepid Alpha 6 as
> my test OS.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> John
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] The WidescreenIbexSunset wallpaper

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Thats a very nice idea, but IMHO lacks a bit on the execution side of things.
But I think you're onto something :)


Bart Van Loy wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone ,
>  
> I've made some final changes to the wallpaper .
> Plz feel free to comment , i really wanna know if someone likes it .
>  
> Here you'll find it :
>  
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/IbexSunset-widescreen
>  
> Greetz to you all .
>  
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Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Silently uploaded to the wiki (consider this an alpha):
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Dust-firefox-20080919.xpi

Sorry about the upside-down tabs, they're a carry-over from the OSX Firefox
theme. And yes, the icons are stock GTK icons as per linux tradition (i.e.,
they change as you change your gnome icon theme).


Ken Vermette wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Rico Sta. Cruz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>>
>> Re: borderless borders:
>> They're staying at 1px for the reasons everyone's already pointed out. :)
>> If
>> you want to change them, just edit metacity-theme-1.xml and look at line
>> 19.
>>
>> Btw, I'm working on a Dust Firefox theme. Any thoughts?
>> http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8383/dust0919firefoxzo8.png
>>
>>
>> Nicholas Kraak wrote:
>> >
>> >> Looks almost better than the original mockup!
>> >> Although the scroll bars are a bit "blocky" or squared or maybe big,
>> but
>> >> don't fit (for me) the overall appearance of the theme.
>> >> Another point is the borderless version of the theme included in the
>> >> tar.gz . The border is 1 px wide while the older version of Dust has
>> no
>> >> border at all( real borderless)
>> >> Pic: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/177221/Pantallazo-1.png
>> >> --
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>> >> Jos? Luis Ric?n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >
>> >
>> > IMO, no-pixel boarders are horrible because they are such a pain to
>> resize
>> > and almost kill the usability of the theme. One pixel boarders (at
>> least)
>> > are great.
>> > Nicholas
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Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help

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Re: borderless borders:
They're staying at 1px for the reasons everyone's already pointed out. :) If
you want to change them, just edit metacity-theme-1.xml and look at line 19.

Btw, I'm working on a Dust Firefox theme. Any thoughts?
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8383/dust0919firefoxzo8.png


Nicholas Kraak wrote:
> 
>> Looks almost better than the original mockup!
>> Although the scroll bars are a bit "blocky" or squared or maybe big, but
>> don't fit (for me) the overall appearance of the theme.
>> Another point is the borderless version of the theme included in the
>> tar.gz . The border is 1 px wide while the older version of Dust has no
>> border at all( real borderless)
>> Pic: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/177221/Pantallazo-1.png
>> --
>>
>> Jos? Luis Ric?n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> IMO, no-pixel boarders are horrible because they are such a pain to resize
> and almost kill the usability of the theme. One pixel boarders (at least)
> are great.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

That was a development version. I think these will be the final toolbar
gradients for a long time:
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/610/dust0917scrollbarsgradikz5.png
[Nevermind the selected color -- I'm just trying out alternate colors to see
if they work with the theme's new changes ;)]

Let me try to dispute all the gradient discussions once and for all.
 - Yes, there will be gradients. They won't be flat.
 - The look that Dust is trying to achieve is (1) modern, (2) clean, (3)
sleek/slender, (4) neutral. The old Dust gradients (the round ones) achieve
the 1st, but fails a little on 2nd, but is horrible at the 3rd. I think
flats will only achieve (2). Even the original mockup will not look very
sleek, IMHO, on certain setups (it looks nice with the small toolbar shown,
but what about 2 fat toolbars?). The gradients shown in the latest
screenshot above, I think, finally achieves all of those points. I think it
looks fine even on a fat default nautilus setup (which the old Dust terribly
fails at).

Regarding colors:
It'll be very hard to change them. I am considering toning down the BG color
to be a bit darker, but I'm still deliberating on this.
 - I don't think it should get any darker than #D0D0D0 -- this is as
off-white as things can get without being "light gray".
 - The highlight color should ideally be not-so-saturated to keep the sleek,
subdued look.
 - I'd avoid a yellowish color for a highlight, too. I'd keep the default
selected color as something more universally-likeable: that'd be something
like blue, steel blue, or tan, or beige.

I'm sorry if some of the directions the theme is headed is not to everyone's
tastes. I hope you can imagine that having a big audience is quite hard. I'm
trying hard to stick with the vision of Dust (not necessarily the mockup),
and admittedly there's some bad judgement calls in there but I'm trying hard
to keep things in line.

An update will be out soon with these changes. For those still interested,
keep posted. And thank you everyone for all the feedback and the comments,
they really help! (Again it's a little hard to please everyone, but hey
that's why some of the colors are adjustable ya'know.)


Cheers!
Rico


Adam Gusztav Nagy wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> i checked out the latest release. i saw the toolbars have the gradients
> again. Do you insist to them? IMO the flat bars definitly look better
> and more professional.
> 
> and talking about the colors i changed the selected bg color to #FFBD61
> and the bg_color to #CCC8C1, maybe you would like to consider them.
> the selected color makes it more ubuntuish i think, and the background
> color is darker, better for the eyes, and doesnt make a big contrast
> with the toolbars wich makes it easier for the eyes. Please consider
> them!
> 
> http://m.blog.hu/os/osline/image/dustcolors.png
> 
> Keep in mind if you change the selected color to mine, than you will get
> big highlights on the metacity headers since it is a much lighter color.
> 
> On the picture I also changed the padding (2-2) and the roundness (2) of
> the selected menu items.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 19:32 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
>> Hi guys. First of all, I apologize for asking these here but I'm new to
>> the
>> community and I'm not sure on what the venue is for these sort of
>> questions.
>> 
>> I'm getting an error I can't explain:
>> /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: Invalid symbolic color
>> 'fg_color'
>> /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: error: invalid identifier
>> `fg_color', expected valid identifier
>> 
>> They show up when my colors in the appearance dialog are set to default.
>> However, when I change one a bit (say from #FF to #FE) just so
>> it's
>> not default, everything works fine. This is running Murrine, and the
>> theme
>> in question is in http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/Dust-20080917.tar.gz if
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Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Gotcha. I see it now: there's nothing wrong with the theme, it was a clash
with my ~/.gtkrc definitions. Thanks!


Anton Kerezov wrote:
> 
> В 19:32 -0700 на 16.09.2008 (вт), Rico Sta. Cruz написа:
>> Hi guys. First of all, I apologize for asking these here but I'm new to
>> the
>> community and I'm not sure on what the venue is for these sort of
>> questions.
>> 
>> I'm getting an error I can't explain:
>> /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: Invalid symbolic color
>> 'fg_color'
>> /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: error: invalid identifier
>> `fg_color', expected valid identifier
>> 
>> They show up when my colors in the appearance dialog are set to default.
>> However, when I change one a bit (say from #FF to #FE) just so
>> it's
>> not default, everything works fine. This is running Murrine, and the
>> theme
>> in question is in http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/Dust-20080917.tar.gz if
>> anyone wishes to debug.
> 
> Do you have separated your theme in two or more *.rc files? If so you
> should put everything
> together in the gtkrc. Sometimes it does not like many parts ;)
> 
> 
> Anton
> 
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[ubuntu-art] GTK theme help

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Hi guys. First of all, I apologize for asking these here but I'm new to the
community and I'm not sure on what the venue is for these sort of questions.

I'm getting an error I can't explain:
/home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: Invalid symbolic color 'fg_color'
/home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: error: invalid identifier
`fg_color', expected valid identifier

They show up when my colors in the appearance dialog are set to default.
However, when I change one a bit (say from #FF to #FE) just so it's
not default, everything works fine. This is running Murrine, and the theme
in question is in http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/Dust-20080917.tar.gz if
anyone wishes to debug.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Meeting IRC log - Wallpaper

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Hi everyone,

I'm the one who's produced this wallpaper, and I have my own criticisms on
it:

 - It's chaotic -- as an OS default, I was thinking it'd be nice to have
something a little more subtle.
 - It's not well polished -- as Thomas has pointed out, the wood background
would benefit from having a little less presence.
 - It's a little too dark -- As an OS default, I think something more
vibrant is in order.
 - It's trendy -- It's not a 'timeless' piece, it's something that looks
cool because it takes advantage of recent graphic art trends/cliches.

IMHO, I'd rather see a default wallpaper that's clean and subtle -- perhaps
even just a plain photograph, or something like dust/smoke as pointed out
earlier.

I'll try to see if I can give it more polish and be more worthy of the
Ubuntu brand, and also try to see if I can provide higher-resolutions of
this. What do you guys think would be ideal? 1680? 1920? :)


-Rico S.



Thomas L.G wrote:
> 
> Cory K. skrev:
>> Brian wrote:
>>   
>>> I personally really really really love the one on the dust wiki page
>>> (found here: http://tinyurl.com/ibexwall)
>>> I've gotten nothing but compliments on it. (:
>>> 
>>
>> Without the branding (not that I'm against branding. I just don't think
>> it works here) and a little less, presence, to the wooden background.
>>
>> But I love the Ibex made up of what looks to be lots of bits of organic
>> stuff and paint.
>>
>> -Cory K.
>>
>>   
> Anyone who knows whether this wallpaper is available in larger formats? 
> Like 1440x900?
> 
> I like it, the wooden background could have some less contrast, and the 
> logo could maybe have been incorporated in a better way, but I like the 
> sharpness, the wood, the abstract art of it...
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] dust is good

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

I did a quick fix to the borderless theme which should make it look more
elegant, while making it easier to resize. IMHO it'd be just as easy to
resize as the non-borderless version: the resize handles are just as big and
just as visible.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1547/dustborderbottomxa1.jpg
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme



Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen-2 wrote:
> 
> 2008/9/12 Matthew Nuzum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hi, I just installed dust from kwwii's community themes package and
>> have to say it is great. I still have a problem with invisible fonts
>> on the menu bar, but even with that minor glitch this is my favorite
>> theme from this development cycle so far.
>>
>> http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/menu-bar.png
> 
> I'll join the choir :-) I've been dog fooding it for a week now and I
> still love it. Clean, professional, and original.
> 
> There are a few items (nothing we can't fix though) which I would
> change...
> 
>  * A subtle border around menus. Menus have a bit much of "flat black
> square"-feel to it. Some subtle borders would alleviate this
> 
>  * The highlight on the menu items. Make it extend over the entire
> menu entry. Right now now there is a small border around the selected
> item
> 
>  * Maybe (_maybe_) a more visible gradient on the selected menu items
> (this might break the subtle simplicity of the theme though, so it
> should be checked...)
> 
>  * Window titles needs to be centered to look properly in RTL languages
> 
>  * I like the Borderless metacity theme the most, it looks lighter and
> more elegant in my eyes. It is darn hard to resize the windows with
> the borderless variant though. Perhaps adding a bottom border for
> easier resizing? I think someone played with adding a subtle gradient
> on the bottom border... Maybe it was New Wave, Anton?
> 
>  * The scrollbars colors... They somehow confuse my 33% of the times I
> use them. My mind tells me that the slider is in the most light part
> of the scroll bar. This is especially in windows where the slider
> length is bigger than the free space in the scroll bar
> 
>  * The scrollbar look... I feel that the scrollbars without the
> endcaps and flat slider does not live up to the professionalism I feel
> the rest of the theme. It is hard to put precise words on this.
> Sorry...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] dust is good

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Just a heads up to everyone: Dust breaks in the latest murrine. Instead of
compiling from SVN, try using the snapshop compiled here:
https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive


Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen-2 wrote:
> 
> Just installed the theme. I had to comment out the 'style = MURRINE'
> parts because it doesn't work with the latest murrine...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Done. Updated the wiki:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme


Ian McLean-2 wrote:
> 
> Rico Sta. Cruz  ambiescent.com> writes:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Also, some honest feedback on new min/max/close buttons will be
>> appreciated.
>> http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/dust-mmc.jpg
>> 
>> 
> 
> I think it looks fantastic, perhaps better than the button set the theme
> currently has. The min/max buttons were the only things on the theme I
> thought
> really looked like they needed work, this is a great improvement. It'd be
> nice
> to see it uploaded to the wiki, I'd love to use it. :D
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Also, some honest feedback on new min/max/close buttons will be appreciated.
http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/dust-mmc.jpg


Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
> 
> Hi Dylan!
> 
> Re: Menubar shadows:
> It was there to accentuate the toolbars. I'm not sure about "working the
> other direction," if you can expound on that (or do a paint-over mockup)
> that'd help a lot. I'm also aware of windows having no menus, but with (or
> without) toolbars and the gradient issue there. I anticipated this and
> thought it don't look so bad at all.
> http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3481/screenshot2wv3.png
> 
> Re: Nautilus status bar issue:
> I'm aware of this myself as one of the drawbacks of a dark statusbar.
> Similar behavior happens on other apps's statusbars (Gnumeric,
> File-roller, etc) and I don't think neither me nor Kido (the people
> working on the theme) know how to fix these at this point. Any help from
> GTK gurus would be appreciated!
> 
> Re: Status bar gradient:
> I also wanna see a gradient on the statusbar myself. Anyone know how to do
> this?
> 
> Re: Light grey text on Epiphany address bar:
> Similar behavior happens on Nautilus's address bar (press Ctrl+L). Again,
> any help on fixing this issue would be great.
> 
> Re: Recolorable dark area:
> Maybe in the future this can be something configurable via ~/.gtkrc (just
> throwing ideas here), but at this point, it's fixed to be a darker shade
> of the BG color for now. At the moment they're pixmap-based.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Hi Dylan!

Re: Menubar shadows:
It was there to accentuate the toolbars. I'm not sure about "working the
other direction," if you can expound on that (or do a paint-over mockup)
that'd help a lot. I'm also aware of windows having no menus, but with (or
without) toolbars and the gradient issue there. I anticipated this and
thought it don't look so bad at all.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3481/screenshot2wv3.png

Re: Nautilus status bar issue:
I'm aware of this myself as one of the drawbacks of a dark statusbar.
Similar behavior happens on other apps's statusbars (Gnumeric, File-roller,
etc) and I don't think neither me nor Kido (the people working on the theme)
know how to fix these at this point. Any help from GTK gurus would be
appreciated!

Re: Status bar gradient:
I also wanna see a gradient on the statusbar myself. Anyone know how to do
this?

Re: Light grey text on Epiphany address bar:
Similar behavior happens on Nautilus's address bar (press Ctrl+L). Again,
any help on fixing this issue would be great.

Re: Recolorable dark area:
Maybe in the future this can be something configurable via ~/.gtkrc (just
throwing ideas here), but at this point, it's fixed to be a darker shade of
the BG color for now. At the moment they're pixmap-based.


Dylan McCall wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys. Sorry to resurrect an almost-dying thread, but the Dust theme
>> just
>> got a few updates which might be interesting a few people. If anyone's
>> been
>> disappointed about it before, maybe now's a good time to give it another
>> chance. Will really appreciate some constructive feedback.
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
>> http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/dust-september-7.png
> 
> Sorry? I for one am delighted that you did! :)
> 
> The lighter colours definitely help here. It is less distracting and a
> bit smoother feeling as a result. Good to have highlights for all
> widgets when selected again (before there was no feedback when
> selecting checkboxes, buttons or the like). The highlights on the
> Murrine version are still the ugly dotted lines, though. Is it
> possible to get them more like in the Aurora theme?
> 
> Not sold on the shadows for the menu bar. For one thing, most shadows
> are working in the other direction, with a bit of shadow on the top
> but also much more shadow below and to the right. For another thing,
> the menu bar is not always there so we lose the shadow from time to
> time. I guess it could be argued that it is not a shadow, but then
> perhaps the gradient could be different so it doesn't feel like one.
> 
> This theme seems to play with spacing quite a bit, which is
> interesting. Noted here is a border area around the scrollbar, which
> you can see quite quickly in the Epiphany browser or gedit.
> I like the scroll bars in the Murrine theme. In particular, I love how
> it looks like a single object instead of having the buttons for arrows
> divided from the bar. This looks less distracting and a bit more
> logical. It would be less rough of a transition from this to that neat
> scrollbar concept where one drags from anywhere.
> 
> Speaking of borders, there is a glitch (and has been for a while) with
> the folder button at the bottom left with Nautilus in spatial mode.
> ("Always open in browser windows" unchecked in preferences).
> 
> Dark status bar is nice. Part of me wishes it would have a subtle
> gradient, but not so that it relies on being at the bottom of a
> window.
> 
> Address entry in Epiphany has a light grey text colour where it should
> be black. Perhaps this is Epiphany's fault, but may be worth looking
> into.
> 
> Suddenly I am wishing for colour choice with the dark areas. (Not just
> black to choose from). Can one of the theme colour choices possibly
> influence this?
> 
> Bye,
> -Dylan
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Well, that's the fault of some bad packaging on my end. ~/.themes/Dust
Aurora/metacity-1 is a symlink to ~/.themes/Dust/metacity-1 which is why it
breaks. Oops.


Peter Petrov-3 wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Rico Sta. Cruz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>>
>> Hey guys. Sorry to resurrect an almost-dying thread, but the Dust theme
>> just
>> got a few updates which might be interesting a few people. If anyone's
>> been
>> disappointed about it before, maybe now's a good time to give it another
>> chance. Will really appreciate some constructive feedback.
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
>> http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/dust-september-7.png
>>
> 
> 
> Thanks Rico. It really is more polished now. For the first time I'm going
> to
> keep it as default theme (at least for a while).
> 
> I seem to have some problem with the Metacity though. If I untar the
> package
> in ~/.themes/ (as Gnome-Appearance does), it works fine. However if I put
> it
> in /usr/share/themes/, for some reason it breaks (the GTK theme still
> works,
> just the Metacity is broken). Dust is the only theme which has this
> problem,
> all the others work fine for me.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Hey guys. Sorry to resurrect an almost-dying thread, but the Dust theme just
got a few updates which might be interesting a few people. If anyone's been
disappointed about it before, maybe now's a good time to give it another
chance. Will really appreciate some constructive feedback.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/dust-september-7.png


Ken Vermette wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Rico Sta. Cruz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>>
>> Is there any way we can get some GTK love on this theme? I'm currently
>> lost
>> at figuring out how to make the menubar have a gradient.
>>
>> The latest versions are always at:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
>>
>>
>> -Rico S.
>>
>>
>> Kido Mariano wrote:
>> >
>> > I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as
>> > base. Try it out:
>> >
>> > http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz
>> > (requires Aurora engine installed)
>> >
>> > It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most
>> > notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to
>> > help?
>> >
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> 
> I also read about your firefox issue. I found a fix in the SlickneSS theme
> involving "userchrome.css"; It should be in the Kin Dust theme, just
> replace
> the text colour in the file (bottom of file) with whatever colour you
> want.
> 
> For the menubar, if you use a pixmap, you can just use an image with any
> gradient you want. I reccoment SVG for excellent scaling.
> 
> I can get more detailed on these, but I really just reccomend downloading
> a
> could other themes with the sttributes you need, and then borrowing code.
> Kin Didymous has very similar features (It was inspired by Dust) so it has
> almost everythig you're already looking for. Mind you, it's kind of
> sloppily
> coded right now...
> 
> (GTK / Userchrome.css, I think)
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Human-Didymous.tar.gz
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

I think it's about time we set up a page or site where we can send in name
suggestions, and iconset concepts. ;)


-Rico S.


Mr.doob wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ken Vermette wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:18:41 Ken Vermette wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I liked Antons folder icons, so I've tooled my own to look more
>>> like his,
>>> > attached is yet another revision of the folders, with more minute
>>> > detailing. Also, this one has closed folders...
>>> >
>>> > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png
>>>
>>> Could you add a smaller version (something like 22x22)? It goes a
>>> long way to
>>> understanding the lines and dithering problems which can occur.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 22x22 us up! I had to post on Deviantart, I don't want to compress
>>> these images.
>>>
>>> http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Folder-Concept-mk5-96838710
>>>
>>> added examples of...
>>>  - 22x22
>>>  - dark outlines
>>>  - emblems
>>>
>>> and fixed a positioning problem that caused fuzzy borders.
>>
>> Kick ass! IMHO :P
>>
>> -Cory K.
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> I agree. Although I don't know which one is better (dark outline or not).
> Dark outline makes the small version easy to identify. But doesn't
> look too cool on the big icon.
> Maybe, having a bit of outline when small, but not that dark?
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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming)

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

I'm not sure on these names myself, they kinda remind me of KDE's Oxygen. Not
sure if that was the intended effect. Btw, where's the IRC server/channel?
:)


Cory K.-2 wrote:
> 
> Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 10:26 -0400, Cory K. wrote
>>> So. Name, thoughts?
>>> 
>>
>> Breath or Breeze would be ok. Inhale makes me think of certain
>> substances, but maybe that's ok, too :)
> 
> So we have:
> 
> * Breath
> * Breeze
> * Ozone (via kwwii on IRC)
> 
> Sorry to be stuck on my tagline. It just so rocks. :) And gives a nice
> nod to the KDE folks.
> 
> "Because humans need oxygen."
> 
> So far "Breath" is the one that best fits. Mind you, I don't think it
> needs to be an English word.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Tossing some Window decorations into the pot.

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Hey!

The things I'm not sure about here are:
 - The orange glow. I like the idea of a different-colored shadow, but if it
appears as a glow against certian backgrounds, it seems inconsistent and a
bit cheesy.
 - The min/max/close buttons. I'm not sure if it's too big or if the borders
tick me off...

But on the other hand, I do love the simplicity of it. Having that 1px
highlight was classy and spot-on.


Cheers,
-Rico


xl cheese wrote:
> 
> I created matching metacity and emerald themes.  Based on the Union
> concept for Hardy, but are taylored to be dark.  They may fit in well with
> all the dark/light hybird themes floating around.
> 
> Get 'em here:  (*Quality* feedback would be appreciated.  :)  )
> Screenshot of the Metacity: 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=xl_dark_alt_metacity.jpg
> 
> Metacity download:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=xl_cheeselooks_DarkAlt.tar.gz
> 
> Screenshot of Emerald: 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xl_darknew.jpg
> 
> Emerald download: 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=87877-xl_dark.emerald.tar.gz
> 
> 
> Now if someone can tell me how to make the close button in metacity wider
> than the other buttons I'd be a happy camper.
> 
> Also, this patch here may be extremely useful on a theme with merged
> menubar and window decoration.  Heck,  it'd be useful on any theme.  I
> haven't been able to make it work tho.  I'm hoping more of us will ask for
> it to be dumped into upstream.   So if you like the idea then comment on
> the bug please.
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500437
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] theme teams

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Hi Ken,

How useful!
Should be ping you in case of any updates to our themes? :)


-Rico


Kenneth Wimer-5 wrote:
> 
> On Monday 01 September 2008 18:40:42 Kenneth Wimer wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Today I put Kin, Dust, and New Wave into my PPA so that people can
>> install
>> and test them. Please, don't flip out if it is not the very latest
>> version
>> or such; I simply picked the latest stuff I could find on the wiki and
>> put
>> it in. I'll modify this as needed once we have discussed it a bit.
> 
> Perhaps I should explain what this really means :-)
> 
> https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive is the url for my PPA. A PPA
> (Personal 
> Package Archive) is a place in which I put source code and it gets 
> automatically compiled and is then available for others in an easy
> fashion.
> 
> What that means is that if you add these as sources in Synaptic Package 
> Manager...
> 
> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main
> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main
> 
> ...you'll be able to install the packages and see when they get updated.
> 
> 1) start synaptic (System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager)
> 2) enter password
> 3) Synaptic opens, add the repository in Settings->Repositories->Third
> Party 
> Software, click on the Add button at the bottom left
> 
> Naturally you can also just edit /etc/apt/sources.list with sudo rights
> and 
> then apt-get update to have it check for new packages on the command line.
> 
> If I have missed anything or anything is confusing feel free to ask for
> help.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] // wider opinion of Dust theme from Ubuntu users //

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Re: min-max-close buttons:
They're a bit fixed on the Dust-2 attachment in the wiki page. However,
they're still not proper min-max-close buttons. Gotta make better ones...
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme

Btw, I did the wallpaper (and the Dust concepts). I'm glad someone likes it
:) Any more feedback on how Dust can be improved?


Best regards,
Rico


Mr.doob wrote:
> 
>> i thought it's perhaps worth drawing attention to the 'public'
>> appreciation of the Dust theme mockups:
>>
>>http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12479/
>>
>>http://www.lunduke.com/?p=116
>>
>> both of the above URL's had around 1.5k diggs and no less than 200
>> comments.
>> there is some worthy criticism/commentary in those threads. clearly Dust
>> is a direction worth following.
>>
>> the first mockup didn't grab me all that much but this is certainly
>> going places, save perhaps the folder icons themselves (which look a
>> little stale, IMO. maybe it's that the grey in the 'dusty' window BG is
>> pulling in the grey from the folders too much, flattening them out):
>>
>>   
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ibexconcept.jpg
>>
>> cheers!
>> --
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>> http://julianoliver.com
>>
> 
> Hello hello!
> 
> New guy on the block, take it as my presentation email. I doubt I'll
> be able to start helping for this cycle, but I'll try to give it a
> hand wherever I can. I wonder if someone could point me in the right
> direction in order to get started on this? Like an app to build your
> own theme? Btw... I'll try to don't top-post, but I think you guys
> should consider if it's really worth the rule (I'm not aware of the
> logic behind it, I guess it's because it's "easier" to follow the
> conversation, which is something arguable).
> 
> Ok, neither I know how can I reply to an email that was sent to the
> list BEFORE I subscribed to it, so I'll try faking it, hope it
> works
> 
> Julian, first of all, it's great to see guys like you (amazing
> projects) around here, and second... that wallpaper is brilliant! I
> would really like to see something along those lines on the default
> wallpaper, did you do it?
> 
> Also, whoever is working on this Dust theme, maybe you should be
> careful on how much margin/padding the top/right panel has. I'll put
> two links to illustrate my point:
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntudust.jpg
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=dust-color-1b.png
> 
> The original mock-up had the close button nicely aligned with the
> corner of the window. The working theme didn't follow that and it
> looks a bit "messy". Apart from that, I think it can work very well.
> 
> Just for the laughs (or hates), I'm right now using this theme:
> http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Oxygen+new+port+for+GNOME?content=86653
> 
> Which I guess I'll keep using until something like Dust is available.
> 
> That's it by now.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Is there any way we can get some GTK love on this theme? I'm currently lost
at figuring out how to make the menubar have a gradient.

The latest versions are always at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme


-Rico S.


Kido Mariano wrote:
> 
> I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as
> base. Try it out:
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz
> (requires Aurora engine installed)
> 
> It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most
> notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to
> help?
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

Here:
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9104/dusticonsez0.png

Perhaps not a direct answer here, as I was thinking more of my Dust theme
while making this ;) But the idea is to mix:

 - Human's orange
 - The subtleness of the Oxygen icon
 - The sly translucency of both

...while donning a new a more subdued palette, and simply making the orange
a highlight more than a main color. Anyway, I hope you guys like it. :)

-Rico S.


P.S. Sorry Cory, I sent this email to you (and not the list) by mistake.


Cory K.-2 wrote:
> 
> I'm at the beginning stages of a new icon set effort for Ubuntu. But I
> have a little question in the meantime.
> 
> Answer this: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8752/dreamfolderyu0.png
> 
> Consider it an exercise. :)
> 
> And please no wise-cracks. Please show that there are some talented,
> mature people on this list. ;)
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

I was drafting that mockup with a "dust lite" or "dust metal" in mind.
There's much more to be done 'till we get there, but IMHO it'd be
unacceptable to ship it without a light version--I'll definitely work on a
brighter variant of Dust.

-Rico


julian-60 wrote:
> 
> screenshot for the benefit of the record? maybe you could propose a
> 'Bright Dust'?
> 
> what i sincerely like about the direction of Dust is just how much it
> gets out of the way. i would be wary of adding too much colour, too many
> highlights. i don't want to be noticing my DE all the time so much as
> using it. moreso, the contents of windows should be given graphic
> prevalence, rather than the design that hosts them. this implies an
> somewhat 'muted' colour palette IMHO.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] current status of intrepid theme (Dust?)

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

The latest work-in-progress of Dust is based off Murrine. Aside from a review
of the themes design and usability, is there any other criteria that we
should be aware of to be considered for inclusion?

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Kenneth Wimer-5 wrote:
> 
> Correction: No community themes will be installed in the default CD image 
> unless they pass the bar design and usability wise. This of course
> requires 
> them to be based on an engine which is included and to actually be
> finished 
> and packaged.
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