Re: [ubuntu-art] LibreOffice - An Open Apology

[Vishnoo]

On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 04:44 +0800, David Nelson wrote: 
> 
> As regards any apology, well, anyone who puts forward a controversial
> idea in an Open Source project had better be thick-skinned, and had
> better be ready with good arguments! I know how these things go, so no
> worries there. ;-)

In open source we have traditionally ran such contests, so in reality
Thorsten is putting forward the controversial idea.. ;-)

> Meanwhile, for the moment, seeing the other messages incoming to this
> thread, I think we'd better both just duck and run, mate! :-D

I dont see anyone here trying to block on anything regarding LibO,
Nor should a single person's contact/reply/action/message/apology be
considered as the from the representative of the whole Ubuntu artwork
community, especially when they are just contacting because of their own
enthusiasm.
Team Lead is still Kenneth Wimer, who has been busy atm..

And all the replies so far are from members of the artwork community out
of their own personal enthusiasm.
I think we should have been clearer on that part.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] LibreOffice - An Open Apology

[David Nelson]

Hi John, :-)

Thank you for the very kind words. And great thanks, too, for the
support you've offered to TDF and the LibreOffice project. :-)

As regards any apology, well, anyone who puts forward a controversial
idea in an Open Source project had better be thick-skinned, and had
better be ready with good arguments! I know how these things go, so no
worries there. ;-)

Also, in the LibO list thread, Thorsten did examine both sides of the
issue, so I can't fault his constructive discussion, even though I'm
aware that - on balance - he doesn't support the idea I'm advancing.

I'm not sure what the ultimate decision will be regarding a
logo/mascot contest. But I am certain that it was a very positive
thing to have established contact between TDF/LibO and Ubuntu - both
for LibO and as a general initiative between FOSS projects. I'm sure
this is just the start of what will turn out to be a longstanding
communication and collaboration.

So a big thanks to you, John, for having been so receptive, positive
and proactively helpful about it.

Meanwhile, for the moment, seeing the other messages incoming to this
thread, I think we'd better both just duck and run, mate! :-D

See you soon in another thread! ;-)

David Nelson

"The light shineth in the darkness, and the darkness shall not overcome it."

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Re: [ubuntu-art] LibreOffice - An Open Apology

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 10:52 -0800, j_baer wrote:

> The desire of the Ubuntu community is to assist the LibreOffice community as
> best as we can. The negative comments expressed by some do not represent the
> community at large. 

John, I really don't think it's appropriate for you to write an apology
for someone else or to speak for the entire team or even the whole
community.

Furthermore, I don't think it's fair to take issue without clearly
defining what it is you have a problem with, enabling others to make
sense of this and to judge for themselves.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] LibreOffice - An Open Apology

[Vishnoo]

On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 10:52 -0800, j_baer wrote:
> 
> For the members who participate on this team may I remind you that your
> actions are to always reflect the Ubuntu code of conduct and to represent
> the community in the best possible manner. 

Hi John,

Lets *not* blow things out of proportion here.
Nothing in the Code of Conduct mentions that nobody is entitled to have
an opinion.
Kindly try to attend the meeting Martin mention in the previous thread
"Nucleous Meeting", do doodle your available time
 so that we can all get on the same
page and move forward.

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[ubuntu-art] LibreOffice - An Open Apology

[j_baer]

David, 

The desire of the Ubuntu community is to assist the LibreOffice community as
best as we can. The negative comments expressed by some do not represent the
community at large. 

Although frustrating to some, in the world of open source you do the best
you can with the resources available. Surprisingly it works out very well.
:-)

If the desire of the LibreOffice community is to engage artistic submissions
as a contest I am willing to offer my submissions and encourage others to do
the same.

The spec on the wiki is draft waiting your review and comment and as I
stated earlier to your list, folks will need direction on how to post
submissions. The desired tool is your call.

For the members who participate on this team may I remind you that your
actions are to always reflect the Ubuntu code of conduct and to represent
the community in the best possible manner. Anything less is unacceptable.

Best regards,

John
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