Re: [ubuntu-art] Art council/open team
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 13:18 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote: > I think that having a seperate moderated list with a few selected > community members who have proven their dedication by their helpful > contributions and support over a longer time not only has the benefit > of strengthening the community it also allows for a channel of > discussion with the canonical design team. The infrastructure is > available, perhaps it is time to look into having monthly meetings > again to have a forum for voting for this stuff. If we have meetings again, I'll try to be there, of course :) >From the design team, I would just like to have briefings and guidelines. There's actually not much need for discussion if you can't participate, anyway. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Art council/open team
On Sunday 12 April 2009 11:06:29 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 19:48 -0700, Smartboy wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Cory K. wrote: > > > We are a listless bunch. Very little direction and nothing to hold us > > > together. (sorry to be critical. I think we need more of it) > > > > > > I was rolling around the idea of an art council to set rules and > > > guidelines. Define what we are and what we hope to achieve. A 4 member > > > group or so. > > > > > > But besides that, what would it do? > > > > > > Hell, I even question if this "team" of ours should be open and is a > > > moderated team of old-timers and knowledgeable folks something we > > > should have? All very tricky. Should anyone be on the art team? Might > > > hurt somebody's feelings but I often wonder "How are you and why is > > > your opinion important?" Now this is not something I think of when > > > someone takes the time to detail out *why* they have their opinion. > > > It's the crazy 1-liners like "That's ugly." or "I don't like brown." > > > So!? Ok. Bit of a rant that one. :P > > > > > > So who are we? What's our future? > > > > > > I'm just kinda throwing this out there. Maybe I'm nuts. > > > > > > > > > -Cory K. > > > > > > -- > > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > > Well, a page to define what we are not might be nice. IE, a page that > > explains that we do not develop for the default Ubuntu artwork (that > > is Canonical's art team's job), but for the community package. > > > >From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork: > > == About the Artwork Team == > The goal of the "Artwork Team" is to produce artwork for the community > side of Ubuntu. > > The Artwork Team aims to enrich Ubuntu by designing high quality, > original and beautiful themes to be available in the repo as an > *alternative* to the default look. > > > I think > > that giving the impression that the 'team' (if you would call it that) > > was open is actually in line with Ubuntu's philosophy, rather than it > > giving the impression that you have to be some Picasso in order to > > join the team. Yes, we do get the bad, but what is the good without > > the bad? > > I think we could have avoided a lot of hot air if we had a single > moderated or outright closed list from the start. Where people are only > granted membership after showing that they know what they will talk > about by submitting artwork that is deemed to be of reasonable quality. > Judged by the current members. > > It would be great if we could have a way of helping people to improve > their skills, even starting from an outright beginner level. Another > kind of being open to everyone. I think that having a seperate moderated list with a few selected community members who have proven their dedication by their helpful contributions and support over a longer time not only has the benefit of strengthening the community it also allows for a channel of discussion with the canonical design team. The infrastructure is available, perhaps it is time to look into having monthly meetings again to have a forum for voting for this stuff. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Art council/open team
On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 19:48 -0700, Smartboy wrote: > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Cory K. wrote: > > We are a listless bunch. Very little direction and nothing to hold us > > together. (sorry to be critical. I think we need more of it) > > > > I was rolling around the idea of an art council to set rules and > > guidelines. Define what we are and what we hope to achieve. A 4 member > > group or so. > > > > But besides that, what would it do? > > > > Hell, I even question if this "team" of ours should be open and is a > > moderated team of old-timers and knowledgeable folks something we should > > have? All very tricky. Should anyone be on the art team? Might hurt > > somebody's feelings but I often wonder "How are you and why is your > > opinion important?" Now this is not something I think of when someone > > takes the time to detail out *why* they have their opinion. It's the > > crazy 1-liners like "That's ugly." or "I don't like brown." So!? Ok. Bit > > of a rant that one. :P > > > > So who are we? What's our future? > > > > I'm just kinda throwing this out there. Maybe I'm nuts. > > > > > > -Cory K. > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > > Well, a page to define what we are not might be nice. IE, a page that > explains that we do not develop for the default Ubuntu artwork (that > is Canonical's art team's job), but for the community package. >From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork: == About the Artwork Team == The goal of the "Artwork Team" is to produce artwork for the community side of Ubuntu. The Artwork Team aims to enrich Ubuntu by designing high quality, original and beautiful themes to be available in the repo as an *alternative* to the default look. > I think > that giving the impression that the 'team' (if you would call it that) > was open is actually in line with Ubuntu's philosophy, rather than it > giving the impression that you have to be some Picasso in order to > join the team. Yes, we do get the bad, but what is the good without > the bad? I think we could have avoided a lot of hot air if we had a single moderated or outright closed list from the start. Where people are only granted membership after showing that they know what they will talk about by submitting artwork that is deemed to be of reasonable quality. Judged by the current members. It would be great if we could have a way of helping people to improve their skills, even starting from an outright beginner level. Another kind of being open to everyone. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Art council/open team
On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 23:39 -0400, Cory K. wrote: > Yo! Murat! How are you? :) Just moved a new house and poorer than ever.. > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork#About%20the%20Artwork%20Team > > "The goal of the "Artwork Team" is to produce artwork for the > /community/ side of Ubuntu." I'm aware of the change in that description; however, the team is still titled "Ubuntu Artwork Team", which will inevitably keep reinforcing the age-old misconception that this "team" is responsible from Ubuntu's default appearance. Renaming the existing free-for-all-to-join team to "Ubuntu Community Artwork/Design Team" (I'd prefer "Design"), or a better name to be decided upon which would emphasize the fact you quoted above and go further in defining what we are not, and loudly, repeatedly announcing the redefinition of the the team's focus, as well as the possible new structure on the Fridge, related mailing lists, the forums and other relevant places would be good ideas. m. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Art council/open team
Murat Gunes wrote: > On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 23:01 -0400, Cory K. wrote: > >> This is pretty much done now AFAIK. >> > > Do you have a link? Yo! Murat! How are you? :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork#About%20the%20Artwork%20Team "The goal of the "Artwork Team" is to produce artwork for the /community/ side of Ubuntu." -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Art council/open team
On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 23:01 -0400, Cory K. wrote: > This is pretty much done now AFAIK. Do you have a link? > I think to some degree, being a bit exclusionary might be a good thing. > Why can't someone's inclusion on the team be based on some merit/metric. > Not something I've really worked out a solid opinion on. Just a thought. A tiered approach can be considered, with cascaded teams, each with different areas and amounts of responsibility. This is how the development and QA communities work. m. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Art council/open team
Smartboy wrote: > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Cory K. wrote: > >> We are a listless bunch. Very little direction and nothing to hold us >> together. (sorry to be critical. I think we need more of it) >> >> I was rolling around the idea of an art council to set rules and >> guidelines. Define what we are and what we hope to achieve. A 4 member >> group or so. >> >> But besides that, what would it do? >> >> Hell, I even question if this "team" of ours should be open and is a >> moderated team of old-timers and knowledgeable folks something we should >> have? All very tricky. Should anyone be on the art team? Might hurt >> somebody's feelings but I often wonder "Who are you and why is your >> opinion important?" Now this is not something I think of when someone >> takes the time to detail out *why* they have their opinion. It's the >> crazy 1-liners like "That's ugly." or "I don't like brown." So!? Ok. Bit >> of a rant that one. :P >> >> So who are we? What's our future? >> >> I'm just kinda throwing this out there. Maybe I'm nuts. >> > > Well, a page to define what we are not might be nice. IE, a page that > explains that we do not develop for the default Ubuntu artwork (that > is Canonical's art team's job) This is pretty much done now AFAIK. > but for the community package. I think > that giving the impression that the 'team' (if you would call it that) > was open is actually in line with Ubuntu's philosophy, rather than it > giving the impression that you have to be some Picasso in order to > join the team. Yes, we do get the bad, but what is the good without > the bad? > I think to some degree, being a bit exclusionary might be a good thing. Why can't someone's inclusion on the team be based on some merit/metric. Not something I've really worked out a solid opinion on. Just a thought. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Art council/open team
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Cory K. wrote: > We are a listless bunch. Very little direction and nothing to hold us > together. (sorry to be critical. I think we need more of it) > > I was rolling around the idea of an art council to set rules and > guidelines. Define what we are and what we hope to achieve. A 4 member > group or so. > > But besides that, what would it do? > > Hell, I even question if this "team" of ours should be open and is a > moderated team of old-timers and knowledgeable folks something we should > have? All very tricky. Should anyone be on the art team? Might hurt > somebody's feelings but I often wonder "How are you and why is your > opinion important?" Now this is not something I think of when someone > takes the time to detail out *why* they have their opinion. It's the > crazy 1-liners like "That's ugly." or "I don't like brown." So!? Ok. Bit > of a rant that one. :P > > So who are we? What's our future? > > I'm just kinda throwing this out there. Maybe I'm nuts. > > > -Cory K. > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > Well, a page to define what we are not might be nice. IE, a page that explains that we do not develop for the default Ubuntu artwork (that is Canonical's art team's job), but for the community package. I think that giving the impression that the 'team' (if you would call it that) was open is actually in line with Ubuntu's philosophy, rather than it giving the impression that you have to be some Picasso in order to join the team. Yes, we do get the bad, but what is the good without the bad? Smartboy -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Art council/open team
We are a listless bunch. Very little direction and nothing to hold us together. (sorry to be critical. I think we need more of it) I was rolling around the idea of an art council to set rules and guidelines. Define what we are and what we hope to achieve. A 4 member group or so. But besides that, what would it do? Hell, I even question if this "team" of ours should be open and is a moderated team of old-timers and knowledgeable folks something we should have? All very tricky. Should anyone be on the art team? Might hurt somebody's feelings but I often wonder "How are you and why is your opinion important?" Now this is not something I think of when someone takes the time to detail out *why* they have their opinion. It's the crazy 1-liners like "That's ugly." or "I don't like brown." So!? Ok. Bit of a rant that one. :P So who are we? What's our future? I'm just kinda throwing this out there. Maybe I'm nuts. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
