Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-20 Thread Saleel Velankar 
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Martin Owens  wrote:

> I'd be happy to have xcf for certain cases, for instance wallpapers and
> paint designs etc. Less happy with raster images for designs, materials
> and publishing bits etc.
>
> I'd rather not accept ai files, they're hard to build previews for and
> should be converted to svg before uploading.
>
> Martin,
>
>
Well xcf's for other non wallpaper materials, can still be helpful. (no
guessing at the colors/ gradients and so on). I can live without ai files.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-20 Thread Martin Owens 


On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 11:15 -0400, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> Would it be possible to share .xcf component files as well? And I
> suppose .ai files since inkscape does a decent job of opening those.
> I'll throw something up there in relation to the xubuntu wallpaper
> (which I suppose should be splintered into another thread.)

I'd be happy to have xcf for certain cases, for instance wallpapers and
paint designs etc. Less happy with raster images for designs, materials
and publishing bits etc.

I'd rather not accept ai files, they're hard to build previews for and
should be converted to svg before uploading.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-20 Thread Saleel Velankar 
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Martin Owens  wrote:

> we wanted to see if it could be used to gather together useful svgs for
> making learning materials, marketing and other
> creative properties.
>
> Martin,


Would it be possible to share .xcf component files as well? And I suppose
.ai files since inkscape does a decent job of opening those. I'll throw
something up there in relation to the xubuntu wallpaper (which I suppose
should be splintered into another thread.)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-20 Thread Martin Owens 
Hey all,

On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 10:55 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> The Deviantart group is best left to those who are there already. We
> should not encourage use of yet another proprietary site. Especially
> one
> that lacks email notifications, making it a no-go for anyone on a
> tight
> schedule. 

As the manager of the devientArt group, I would say that it's not a good
system for organising collaborative work with free culture licenses.
Everything about it would mean organising ourselves. Plus their indexing
is fairly unreliable. It good for a users community, but is immature
technically for the kinds of tools we need I think.

On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 04:39 -0700, j_baer wrote:
> More explanation about the art.ubuntu-owl.org site may be in order.
> One of
> the process breaks IMO we need to fix is just having things show up.
> That
> has not worked well in the past. 

Ubuntu-owl is our ubuntu-learning-materials website, a small website for
the learning group to focus on and hang our coat. We had some
experimentation with ccHost and put some effort into making
art.ubuntu-owl.org, we wanted to see if it could be used to gather
together useful svgs for making learning materials, marketing and other
creative properties.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-20 Thread Saleel Velankar 
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:54 AM, j_baer  wrote:

>
>  Coming up with a resource list is a good idea but the question becomes who
> is going to maintain it and how will the information be used?
>

Well I was thinking that since we have a lots of artists introduce
themselves, followed historically by Thorsten asking if they have any
portfolio or examples of their work. Instead we ask them to reply to an
email thread, stating:
1. what they want to help with
2. what they have experience with.

So when a project does need help with say making a gtk theme or something,
we could specfically bug a few people that said they wanted to help with
gtk, to judge interest. I suppose as the number of active contributors
rises, we will need to put in some time to making this a bit more organized.
but starting something like this will let us see who is active and looking
to contribute.

Changing names is also a slippery path. Should we seek ways to further
> separate us from the Canonical design team or find ways to bring us
> together?
>
> My preference is to work more closely.
>
> John
>
> The canonical design team has no need for us as far as I can see. I see
this group as making artwork for ourselves, i.e. ubuntu users, that we feel
adds value to ubuntu even if it doesnt align to what the design team is
doing 100% of the time. Blubuntu for example.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-20 Thread j_baer 



Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> 
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> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:16:08 +0530
> Vishnoo  wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 12:12 -0400, Saleel Velankar wrote:
>> > I am glad to see that others also seem to think that the death of this
>> > list is a problem. This thread is for discussing how to get back on
>> > track.
>> > 
>> 
>> Another problem is that if we discuss just here , then the
>> replies/solutions get lost in the archives.
>> 
>> Lets also summarize here : 
>> 
>> > Problem #1
>> > There are far too many people on this list that never seem to post.
>> > Solution:
>> > Trim the list to contributors only, only those that post and
>> > contribute regularly.
>> > 
>> 
>> I have also had the same idea but I dont think this is a feasible idea.
>> People will want to ask questions, like how the installer question was
>> asked a few days ago.
>> 
>> We can leave this mailing list as it is? maybe?
>> 
>> What we could do is to make the lp team moderated
>> 
>> 
>> And people can get added there once they state their intent.
>> 
>> Any work in Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu will only be included from
>> Launchpad. So its better if the lp team was restricted to contributors.
>> 
>> 
>> > Problem #6
>> > We no longer have any direction of what to do.
>> > Solution:
>> > This entirely depends on #4 and the skillsets we can tap on this list.
>> > At the very least, we start off small and create a community set of
>> > wallpapers, as well as alpha and beta wallpapers. Lets find out who to
>> > annoy to get this done. How would you feel if community artwork had an
>> > overarching loose theme, say “Humanity” or “Narwhals”?
>> 
>> We can get this done , i dint want to push this too much since i wanted
>> to test the waters here first.. ;)
>> 
>> As I mentioned, I had been planning this for a while now, and
>>  is a consolidate of my
>> interaction with other teams. I had nearly given up because there seemed
>> to be lack of interest from others. And I was being told it might be
>> just in vain.
>> 
>> Its not just Ubuntu. There are other derivatives we can help too! 
>> 
>> Xubuntu *for sure* wants help with their artwork!
>> I believe the Xubuntu team has now subscribed to this mailing list too..
>> Let's hear a reply from them directly as well.. :)
>> 
> 
> I have been silent because it seemed the list only wants to hear from
> the artists themselves. I requested help with Xubuntu artwork, and we
> still want and need help. Unfortunately, the call for artwork to both
> the Ubuntu community and DeviantArt resulted in few replies from
> artists. 
> 
> If the list became "active contributors" only, how would you expect
> anyone else to ever become active? To maintain an active list, you need
> new contributors that can actually become a part of the community. If
> Ubuntu is not accepting artwork, the derivatives certainly are. Ubuntu
> Studio, Edubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu will all accept help with
> artwork, if you are willing to help us. Xubuntu, at least, does not
> have it's own artwork team at this time, and would accept a team leader
> as well as members to work with that leader. 
> 
> 
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Charlie,

Too easily we see Ubuntu as a single product and for that I apologize. What
ever the out-come here that needs to be fixed.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-20 Thread Saleel Velankar 
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Martin Owens  wrote:

> Part of the problem with art from a packaging side is that very few
> artists know how to package themes, wallpapers and other things, should
> we have an education project based around that?
>
Yes. Yes. A thousand times yes, I am one of those artists that is learning
things as they come. For example only recently I started using a git repo. I
have just relatively recently started building things from source to get the
benefits of the newer version (do you know what my life was like before I
realized what apt-file was for?).


>
> There is no reason for that limitation other than coding and
> having ways to see online art in context would be a big boon for many
> customisation artists.
> Thoughts?
>
> Martin
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-20 Thread j_baer 



Saleel Velankar wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Cory K.  wrote:
> 
>>
>> Do most folks on the list know this? Should more be done? Maybe change
>> the list name to: "ubuntu-community-art"?
>>
>>
>> -Cory K.
>>
>>
> Hey Cory! I agree that name needs to change, especially now that canonical
> has an official team. Also do you guys agree with doing #4, a sort of
> unofficial census of who we have on this list?
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Saleel & Cory,

Coming up with a resource list is a good idea but the question becomes who
is going to maintain it and how will the information be used?

Changing names is also a slippery path. Should we seek ways to further
separate us from the Canonical design team or find ways to bring us
together?

My preference is to work more closely. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-20 Thread j_baer 



DoctorMO wrote:
> 
> Hey Art Team,
> 
> On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 23:16 +0530, Vishnoo wrote:
>> Trim the list to contributors only, only those that post and
>> > contribute regularly. 
> 
> I would _highly_ advise against trimming a community, so long as the
> silent majority are doing no harm to the work, it's better that they be
> informed and able to jump into giving their 0.1% at the right time, then
> shunned and never able to.
> 
> Don't cut off the long tail.
> 
> The problem with most communities being inactive is that there are not
> the two kinds of projects which motivate people:
> 
>  1) Fun and very passive contribution which comes at random from
> contributors. You can see this sort of project on the dA group where we
> don't instruct or organise art to be made using ubuntu, we just
> passively let people contribute to the galleries which have a simple and
> light framework of rules.
> 
> 2) Structured and focused projects. You'll need time limits, methods of
> contribution which are split up effectively into chunks, you need some
> education and most importantly you'll need about 3 people who will
> contribute the majority of the work. You'll get about 100 people
> contribution 45% in drabs, but they won't do anything without that %55
> from the dedicated few.
> 
> These are just some thoughts based on my own experiences with
> communities.
> 
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
> 
> P.S. We have a testbed ccHost for artworks and media pieces which might
> be worth some attention as a location to upload content.
> http://art.ubuntu-owl.org/ which has been experimented with.
> 
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Martin,

More explanation about the art.ubuntu-owl.org site may be in order. One of
the process breaks IMO we need to fix is just having things show up. That
has not worked well in the past.

Thanks,

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-20 Thread Thorsten Wilms 
On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 12:12 -0400, Saleel Velankar wrote:

> Problem #1
> There are far too many people on this list that never seem to post.

People that never post are not a problem. Posts that fail to meat
certain standards are.

> Problem #3
> The wiki may be falling apart.
> Solution:
> Good let it die. No seriously the wiki in my opinion is cumbersome,
> and difficult to edit. I say we move our discussion to this mailing
> list and our postings to the deviantart group (see #7). We can use the
> wiki as an archive to for our results.

Yes, the wiki lacks WYSIWYG editing and better image handling, including
thumbnail generation.

The Deviantart group is best left to those who are there already. We
should not encourage use of yet another proprietary site. Especially one
that lacks email notifications, making it a no-go for anyone on a tight
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Martin Owens 
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 11:46 +0530, Vishnoo wrote:
> 
> Who else thinks this?! 
> There is no competition with Mark or Canonical Design team and
> considering this official artwork team as a competition is a *very*
> bad
> labeling. And it is highly regretful that people have considered this
> as
> the intent for my initial mail. 

I should have worded that better. I meant to say that i don't think the
group should be in competition but I could easily see how people could
want to have some process into input into official art (and not design).

Sorry about the wording again, that isn't what I meant.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Vishnoo 
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 01:47 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> 
> Well this group competes against Mark's own thoughts and preferences, 

Who else thinks this?! 
There is no competition with Mark or Canonical Design team and
considering this official artwork team as a competition is a *very* bad
labeling. And it is highly regretful that people have considered this as
the intent for my initial mail.

If this were a competition, this team would not and *should not* be
listed in the community section on the ubuntu.com site.

We *are* listed as an official community, hence *my* interest in seeing
something purposeful emerge out of here. 
That was my intent/interest in sending the initial mail.

What we need is clarity in what we can do , find the purpose for this
team to exist. And why we are listed as an official community.

Let get this out of the way , afaik, we are *not* competing with the
Canonical Design team nor are we intending to.
If people on this list want to take this as a competition , then that is
something *I* want no part of! 
I have nothing to prove and if this team is to be considered as a
competition , I will *not* continue to push for a revival of this team. 

If people want do want to take this as a competition, they very well can
continue to do so... I dont want to stop them, its just i dont want to
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Martin Owens 
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 00:32 -0500, Jake Tolbert wrote:
> Doing design in a open source sort of way is really, really difficult
> (I haven't yet seen a successful model--it may exist, but I haven't
> seen it), which, I assume, is why it's not happening here.

I'd point to games for both successes to emulate and lessons from
failures. Take Battle for Wesnoth, wonderful graphics, very unified and
everything has a good feeling.

> Unfortunately, until this community has a way to meaningful way to
> actually contribute to Ubuntu, I think it'll continue to languish. I'm
> not trying to be negative--on the contrary, I think there's a LOT of
> potential here (I really think Ubuntu has the potential to break
> through the outlandishly difficult problem of open source design). I'm
> just not smart enough to solve the problem itself.

Well this group competes against Mark's own thoughts and preferences, so
it's not hard to see who would win when one has employees and a direct
line into implementation and everyone else has been relegated to
sub-meteoritic discussion (although it's very slowly getting better).

For design I'd stick with Ayatana, for art, some marketing, some ubuntu
studio work, working with the art community on their needs and generally
working on arty things like themes, icons, sound themes and so on which
we _know_ won't be in the release, but at least could be made very
easily available.

Part of the problem with art from a packaging side is that very few
artists know how to package themes, wallpapers and other things, should
we have an education project based around that?

I could see us doing a bit of research too in how to make customising
the desktop with our artwork easier. Right now including wallpapers on
the CD is the only way to get them listed in the wallpaper choosing
dialog. There is no reason for that limitation other than coding and
having ways to see online art in context would be a big boon for many
customisation artists.

Thoughts?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Jake Tolbert 
I've been a lurker on this list for at least a year, and will probably
continue to lurk--I enjoy design but suck at it myself :).

That said, as a bit of an outsider, I think the overwhelming problem with
this list is that there's no apparent purpose to it: Canonical has its own
design team which has little to no involvement and takes little to no input
from the community (namely this list).

I don't necessarily mean that in a mean-spirited way--it's simply what I've
seen repeatedly. Artists come in, and introduce themselves saying, "I'd love
to contribute to Ubuntu!" and they're consistently greeted with the
motivation-killing "this list doesn't actually contribute to Ubuntu--we just
make art that generally relates to Ubuntu."

Doing design in a open source sort of way is really, really difficult (I
haven't yet seen a successful model--it may exist, but I haven't seen it),
which, I assume, is why it's not happening here.

Unfortunately, until this community has a way to meaningful way to actually
contribute to Ubuntu, I think it'll continue to languish. I'm not trying to
be negative--on the contrary, I think there's a LOT of potential here (I
really think Ubuntu has the potential to break through the outlandishly
difficult problem of open source design). I'm just not smart enough to solve
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Saleel Velankar 
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Charlie Kravetz  wrote:

> I have been silent because it seemed the list only wants to hear from
> the artists themselves. I requested help with Xubuntu artwork, and we
> still want and need help. Unfortunately, the call for artwork to both
> the Ubuntu community and DeviantArt resulted in few replies from
> artists.
>
> Would you be willing to start a new topic with the requirements of what
kinds of stuff is needed? Seeing as how this is a solid target, lets try to
drum up people to help out with this.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Saleel Velankar 
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Cory K.  wrote:

>
> Do most folks on the list know this? Should more be done? Maybe change
> the list name to: "ubuntu-community-art"?
>
>
> -Cory K.
>
>
Hey Cory! I agree that name needs to change, especially now that canonical
has an official team. Also do you guys agree with doing #4, a sort of
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Cory K. 
For those of you who might not know my name is Cory. I'm former 
lead/creator of Ubuntu Studio. I've also coordinated various Ubuntu art 
projects through this list.

That said, some steps were taken a while ago to let people know that 
this list was for *community* art efforts and had little impact on the 
published looked of Ubuntu.

Do most folks on the list know this? Should more be done? Maybe change 
the list name to: "ubuntu-community-art"?


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Saleel Velankar 
So basically the majority opinion is that this list is left alone
essentially as it is, and used for discussion and questions? Possibly for
the first type of projects. Possibly for these types of projects to get
organized. When organized they move to lp which will be moderated.

This seems fine to me, as long as there is some place for organized projects
to work.

art.ubuntu-owl.org will be used to showcase the art produced from both types
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Martin Owens 
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 02:33 +0530, Vishnoo wrote:
>  We can leave this mailing list as it is! i.e. Open
> 
> - Since it is easier for people to ask questions here
> 
> And what we could do is to make the lp team moderated
> 
> 
> - Since a lp account is needed to make changes/uploads to the
> concerned repos. 

That makes more sense, but I would make a new team called
~ubuntu-art-curators and use that as your restricted group to attach
projects and branches to.

That way you can keep ~ubuntu-art open to people who are interested but
don't want the responsibility yet.

Apologies for the misunderstanding, got lost in translation.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Vishnoo 
On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 20:28 +, Martin Owens wrote:
> Hey Art Team,
> 
> On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 23:16 +0530, Vishnoo wrote:
> > Trim the list to contributors only, only those that post and
> > > contribute regularly. 
> 
> I would _highly_ advise against trimming a community, so long as the
> silent majority are doing no harm to the work,

Hrm!! Where did i suggest that! That is not my quote.. ;)

Just to be clear, what I suggested in 
 is :

 We can leave this mailing list as it is! i.e. Open

- Since it is easier for people to ask questions here

And what we could do is to make the lp team moderated


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Martin Owens 
Hey Art Team,

On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 23:16 +0530, Vishnoo wrote:
> Trim the list to contributors only, only those that post and
> > contribute regularly. 

I would _highly_ advise against trimming a community, so long as the
silent majority are doing no harm to the work, it's better that they be
informed and able to jump into giving their 0.1% at the right time, then
shunned and never able to.

Don't cut off the long tail.

The problem with most communities being inactive is that there are not
the two kinds of projects which motivate people:

 1) Fun and very passive contribution which comes at random from
contributors. You can see this sort of project on the dA group where we
don't instruct or organise art to be made using ubuntu, we just
passively let people contribute to the galleries which have a simple and
light framework of rules.

2) Structured and focused projects. You'll need time limits, methods of
contribution which are split up effectively into chunks, you need some
education and most importantly you'll need about 3 people who will
contribute the majority of the work. You'll get about 100 people
contribution 45% in drabs, but they won't do anything without that %55
from the dedicated few.

These are just some thoughts based on my own experiences with
communities.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

P.S. We have a testbed ccHost for artworks and media pieces which might
be worth some attention as a location to upload content.
http://art.ubuntu-owl.org/ which has been experimented with.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread André Pereira 
I agree with Charlie: I can't see why it wouldn't be good to have more
members in this list, even if some will not contribute much for a while.
People need time to learn. And I think everyone is welcome at Ubuntu.

Regards.
desgua.


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 15:15, Charlie Kravetz
wrote:

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> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:16:08 +0530
> Vishnoo  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 12:12 -0400, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> > > I am glad to see that others also seem to think that the death of this
> > > list is a problem. This thread is for discussing how to get back on
> > > track.
> > >
> >
> > Another problem is that if we discuss just here , then the
> > replies/solutions get lost in the archives.
> >
> > Lets also summarize here : 
> >
> > > Problem #1
> > > There are far too many people on this list that never seem to post.
> > > Solution:
> > > Trim the list to contributors only, only those that post and
> > > contribute regularly.
> > >
> >
> > I have also had the same idea but I dont think this is a feasible idea.
> > People will want to ask questions, like how the installer question was
> > asked a few days ago.
> >
> > We can leave this mailing list as it is? maybe?
> >
> > What we could do is to make the lp team moderated
> > 
> >
> > And people can get added there once they state their intent.
> >
> > Any work in Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu will only be included from
> > Launchpad. So its better if the lp team was restricted to contributors.
> >
> >
> > > Problem #6
> > > We no longer have any direction of what to do.
> > > Solution:
> > > This entirely depends on #4 and the skillsets we can tap on this list.
> > > At the very least, we start off small and create a community set of
> > > wallpapers, as well as alpha and beta wallpapers. Lets find out who to
> > > annoy to get this done. How would you feel if community artwork had an
> > > overarching loose theme, say “Humanity” or “Narwhals”?
> >
> > We can get this done , i dint want to push this too much since i wanted
> > to test the waters here first.. ;)
> >
> > As I mentioned, I had been planning this for a while now, and
> >  is a consolidate of my
> > interaction with other teams. I had nearly given up because there seemed
> > to be lack of interest from others. And I was being told it might be
> > just in vain.
> >
> > Its not just Ubuntu. There are other derivatives we can help too!
> >
> > Xubuntu *for sure* wants help with their artwork!
> > I believe the Xubuntu team has now subscribed to this mailing list too..
> > Let's hear a reply from them directly as well.. :)
> >
>
> I have been silent because it seemed the list only wants to hear from
> the artists themselves. I requested help with Xubuntu artwork, and we
> still want and need help. Unfortunately, the call for artwork to both
> the Ubuntu community and DeviantArt resulted in few replies from
> artists.
>
> If the list became "active contributors" only, how would you expect
> anyone else to ever become active? To maintain an active list, you need
> new contributors that can actually become a part of the community. If
> Ubuntu is not accepting artwork, the derivatives certainly are. Ubuntu
> Studio, Edubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu will all accept help with
> artwork, if you are willing to help us. Xubuntu, at least, does not
> have it's own artwork team at this time, and would accept a team leader
> as well as members to work with that leader.
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:16:08 +0530
Vishnoo  wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 12:12 -0400, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> > I am glad to see that others also seem to think that the death of this
> > list is a problem. This thread is for discussing how to get back on
> > track.
> > 
> 
> Another problem is that if we discuss just here , then the
> replies/solutions get lost in the archives.
> 
> Lets also summarize here : 
> 
> > Problem #1
> > There are far too many people on this list that never seem to post.
> > Solution:
> > Trim the list to contributors only, only those that post and
> > contribute regularly.
> > 
> 
> I have also had the same idea but I dont think this is a feasible idea.
> People will want to ask questions, like how the installer question was
> asked a few days ago.
> 
> We can leave this mailing list as it is? maybe?
> 
> What we could do is to make the lp team moderated
> 
> 
> And people can get added there once they state their intent.
> 
> Any work in Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu will only be included from
> Launchpad. So its better if the lp team was restricted to contributors.
> 
> 
> > Problem #6
> > We no longer have any direction of what to do.
> > Solution:
> > This entirely depends on #4 and the skillsets we can tap on this list.
> > At the very least, we start off small and create a community set of
> > wallpapers, as well as alpha and beta wallpapers. Lets find out who to
> > annoy to get this done. How would you feel if community artwork had an
> > overarching loose theme, say “Humanity” or “Narwhals”?
> 
> We can get this done , i dint want to push this too much since i wanted
> to test the waters here first.. ;)
> 
> As I mentioned, I had been planning this for a while now, and
>  is a consolidate of my
> interaction with other teams. I had nearly given up because there seemed
> to be lack of interest from others. And I was being told it might be
> just in vain.
> 
> Its not just Ubuntu. There are other derivatives we can help too! 
> 
> Xubuntu *for sure* wants help with their artwork!
> I believe the Xubuntu team has now subscribed to this mailing list too..
> Let's hear a reply from them directly as well.. :)
> 

I have been silent because it seemed the list only wants to hear from
the artists themselves. I requested help with Xubuntu artwork, and we
still want and need help. Unfortunately, the call for artwork to both
the Ubuntu community and DeviantArt resulted in few replies from
artists. 

If the list became "active contributors" only, how would you expect
anyone else to ever become active? To maintain an active list, you need
new contributors that can actually become a part of the community. If
Ubuntu is not accepting artwork, the derivatives certainly are. Ubuntu
Studio, Edubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu will all accept help with
artwork, if you are willing to help us. Xubuntu, at least, does not
have it's own artwork team at this time, and would accept a team leader
as well as members to work with that leader. 


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Linux Registered User Number 425914  [http://counter.li.org/]
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Vishnoo 
On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 12:12 -0400, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> I am glad to see that others also seem to think that the death of this
> list is a problem. This thread is for discussing how to get back on
> track.
> 

Another problem is that if we discuss just here , then the
replies/solutions get lost in the archives.

Lets also summarize here : 

> Problem #1
> There are far too many people on this list that never seem to post.
> Solution:
> Trim the list to contributors only, only those that post and
> contribute regularly.
> 

I have also had the same idea but I dont think this is a feasible idea.
People will want to ask questions, like how the installer question was
asked a few days ago.

We can leave this mailing list as it is? maybe?

What we could do is to make the lp team moderated


And people can get added there once they state their intent.

Any work in Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu will only be included from
Launchpad. So its better if the lp team was restricted to contributors.


> Problem #6
> We no longer have any direction of what to do.
> Solution:
> This entirely depends on #4 and the skillsets we can tap on this list.
> At the very least, we start off small and create a community set of
> wallpapers, as well as alpha and beta wallpapers. Lets find out who to
> annoy to get this done. How would you feel if community artwork had an
> overarching loose theme, say “Humanity” or “Narwhals”?

We can get this done , i dint want to push this too much since i wanted
to test the waters here first.. ;)

As I mentioned, I had been planning this for a while now, and
 is a consolidate of my
interaction with other teams. I had nearly given up because there seemed
to be lack of interest from others. And I was being told it might be
just in vain.

Its not just Ubuntu. There are other derivatives we can help too! 

Xubuntu *for sure* wants help with their artwork!
I believe the Xubuntu team has now subscribed to this mailing list too..
Let's hear a reply from them directly as well.. :)


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[ubuntu-art] Solutions

2010-09-19 Thread Saleel Velankar 
I am glad to see that others also seem to think that the death of this list
is a problem. This thread is for discussing how to get back on track.

Problem #1
There are far too many people on this list that never seem to post.
Solution:
Trim the list to contributors only, only those that post and contribute
regularly.

Problem #2
This list is no longer wanted by Canonical for feedback and ideas.
Solution:
This is mostly because of our track record. As we start publishing and
getting things done they will come back (hopefully.)

Problem #3
The wiki may be falling apart.
Solution:
Good let it die. No seriously the wiki in my opinion is cumbersome, and
difficult to edit. I say we move our discussion to this mailing list and our
postings to the deviantart group (see #7). We can use the wiki as an archive
to for our results.

Problem #4
We no longer know what people on this list can do.
Solution:
Start a thread, and ask people to post examples of their artwork, along with
what they might have experience doing (theming/websites/flash)

Problem #5
We are constrained by time.
Solution:
To hell with that. This is 2010, and most people are connected to the web,
we should make our own ppa if we feel the need for packages, otherwise we
will publish our products directly on the web. We *need* to stress quality
over quantity and time.

Problem #6
We no longer have any direction of what to do.
Solution:
This entirely depends on #4 and the skillsets we can tap on this list. At
the very least, we start off small and create a community set of wallpapers,
as well as alpha and beta wallpapers. Lets find out who to annoy to get this
done. How would you feel if community artwork had an overarching loose
theme, say “Humanity” or “Narwhals”?

Problem #7
Deviantart
Solution:
Is docmo on this list? he has done a fantastic job of running the
#ubuntu-artists group. however I note that most of the people in the group
are artists that use ubuntu, and might not be neccesarily interested in
creating community artwork. Lets create a new ubuntu-communityart group on
DA. DA is a heck of a lot better place to comment on and version control
artwork.
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