Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[Travis Watkins]

On Jan 8, 2008 12:43 PM, Corey Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What if we eliminate the menu's transparency and somehow force the panel to
> be drawn at a higher z-index than the menu? Is that possible? That would
> make the panel  cover up the shadow we need to eliminate.
>
> Either way this effect is money, and I really hope we can figure it out.
>
> Corey
>

Can't do that, popup windows are always on top of everything else, no
matter what.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[Corey Woodworth]

What if we eliminate the menu's transparency and somehow force the panel to
be drawn at a higher z-index than the menu? Is that possible? That would
make the panel  cover up the shadow we need to eliminate.

Either way this effect is money, and I really hope we can figure it out.

Corey

On Jan 8, 2008 12:31 PM, Jan Niklas Hasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A menu is a new XWindow. Compiz draws a shadow around it, because it does
> this with all windows. I think it will be difficult to tell Compiz the
> position of the menubaritem. Unfortunately this is a completely different
> case then a GtkNotebook.
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 6:06 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps we can reuse the code that draws the gtkNotebook.
> >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=C__Documents+and+Settings_whayslip_My+Documents_My+Pictures_twf.png
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:40:56 +0100
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.
> >
> > >
> > > On 08/01/2008, xl cheese < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's actually the way clearlooks comes out of the box. I just
> > adjusted
> > > > the color inside the engine to highlight the apps/places/system with
> > the
> > > > normal bg color instead of orange.
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if the engine could draw the tab/menu combo as one widget
> > and
> > > > compiz would recognize it and draw the shadow the way we want?
> > > >
> > >
> > > If I understand correctly you suggest using some kind of shaped window
> > > for menu+tab_header and then overlay that the normal menu button. That
> > > might work if done correctly, but it is quite tricky I think.
> > >
> > > While it might be technically possibly for the theme to rewrite the
> > > window position for the popup (to have it north-east corner match that
> > > of the panel button), I think it is a can of worms. This might trigger
> >
> > > all kinds of unknown position and focus bugs (which are notoriously
> > > hard to right).
> > >
> > > And alternative solution is to patch gtk+ itself, but that will
> > > probably break all theme not using this trick...
> > >
> > > Sorry, if I sound negative. I shall twist my brain to try and come up
> > > with more constructive response...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mikkel
> > >
> > >
> > > > Looking at the potential dropdown problem of one item flowing into
> > the next,
> > > > plus the shadow at the same intersection, why not go the opposite
> > direction?
> > > >
> > > > Where the music selection has the solid orange highlight, why not
> > copy it
> > > > onto the places button? That way the highlight has continuity with
> > the
> > > > button, and it eliminates both the shadow and the border issue. So
> > really,
> > > > just make places the solid orange too.
> > > >
> > > > Amazing work!
> > > > -- Ken V
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 7, 2008 6:25 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem
> > > > combination.
> > > >
> > > > Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the menu.
> > > >
> > > >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=menu.png
> > > >
> > > > It may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around
> > the menu
> > > > except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem. I'm sure
> > the right
> > > > programmer could make it happen tho.
> > > > 
> > > > > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > Subject: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.
> > > > >
> > > > > Updates to the union mock ups and sources are officially ending.
> > While
> > > > working on

Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[Jan Niklas Hasse]

A menu is a new XWindow. Compiz draws a shadow around it, because it does
this with all windows. I think it will be difficult to tell Compiz the
position of the menubaritem. Unfortunately this is a completely different
case then a GtkNotebook.

On Jan 8, 2008 6:06 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Perhaps we can reuse the code that draws the gtkNotebook.
>
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=C__Documents+and+Settings_whayslip_My+Documents_My+Pictures_twf.png
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:40:56 +0100
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.
>
> >
> > On 08/01/2008, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's actually the way clearlooks comes out of the box. I just
> adjusted
> > > the color inside the engine to highlight the apps/places/system with
> the
> > > normal bg color instead of orange.
> > >
> > > I wonder if the engine could draw the tab/menu combo as one widget and
> > > compiz would recognize it and draw the shadow the way we want?
> > >
> >
> > If I understand correctly you suggest using some kind of shaped window
> > for menu+tab_header and then overlay that the normal menu button. That
> > might work if done correctly, but it is quite tricky I think.
> >
> > While it might be technically possibly for the theme to rewrite the
> > window position for the popup (to have it north-east corner match that
> > of the panel button), I think it is a can of worms. This might trigger
> > all kinds of unknown position and focus bugs (which are notoriously
> > hard to right).
> >
> > And alternative solution is to patch gtk+ itself, but that will
> > probably break all theme not using this trick...
> >
> > Sorry, if I sound negative. I shall twist my brain to try and come up
> > with more constructive response...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mikkel
> >
> >
> > > Looking at the potential dropdown problem of one item flowing into the
> next,
> > > plus the shadow at the same intersection, why not go the opposite
> direction?
> > >
> > > Where the music selection has the solid orange highlight, why not copy
> it
> > > onto the places button? That way the highlight has continuity with the
> > > button, and it eliminates both the shadow and the border issue. So
> really,
> > > just make places the solid orange too.
> > >
> > > Amazing work!
> > > -- Ken V
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 7, 2008 6:25 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I think compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem
> > > combination.
> > >
> > > Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the menu.
> > >
> > >
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=menu.png
> > >
> > > It may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around
> the menu
> > > except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem. I'm sure the
> right
> > > programmer could make it happen tho.
> > > 
> > > > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > Subject: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.
> > > >
> > > > Updates to the union mock ups and sources are officially ending.
> While
> > > working on the most recent update, my laptop froze completely, and now
> it
> > > appears to be completely dead. Because I'm beginning military training
> on
> > > the 13th, there's no point in fixing the 6-year old beast of a laptop.
> > > >
> > > > The data might be fine (I think it's the graphics card), and I'm
> going to
> > > plug my hard-drive into a desktop computer to see if I still have my
> work;
> > > depending on how this goes, I might get one more update loaded into
> the
> > > wiki, after that I'll make the most of my time with the family before
> I
> > > leave. If my data is corrupt or irretrievable, then I'll be forced to
> forget
> > > any more updates.
> > > >
> > > > The 0.4 update was the second last planned before calling th

Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[xl cheese]

Perhaps we can reuse the code that draws the gtkNotebook.
 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=C__Documents+and+Settings_whayslip_My+Documents_My+Pictures_twf.png
 
 



> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:40:56 +0100> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz 
> problem.> > On 08/01/2008, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > That's 
> actually the way clearlooks comes out of the box. I just adjusted> > the 
> color inside the engine to highlight the apps/places/system with the> > 
> normal bg color instead of orange.> >> > I wonder if the engine could draw 
> the tab/menu combo as one widget and> > compiz would recognize it and draw 
> the shadow the way we want?> >> > If I understand correctly you suggest using 
> some kind of shaped window> for menu+tab_header and then overlay that the 
> normal menu button. That> might work if done correctly, but it is quite 
> tricky I think.> > While it might be technically possibly for the theme to 
> rewrite the> window position for the popup (to have it north-east corner 
> match that> of the panel button), I think it is a can of worms. This might 
> trigger> all kinds of unknown position and focus bugs (which are notoriously> 
> hard to right).> > And alternative solution is to patch gtk+ itself, but that 
> will> probably break all theme not using this trick...> > Sorry, if I sound 
> negative. I shall twist my brain to try and come up> with more constructive 
> response...> > Cheers,> Mikkel> > > > Looking at the potential dropdown 
> problem of one item flowing into the next,> > plus the shadow at the same 
> intersection, why not go the opposite direction?> >> > Where the music 
> selection has the solid orange highlight, why not copy it> > onto the places 
> button? That way the highlight has continuity with the> > button, and it 
> eliminates both the shadow and the border issue. So really,> > just make 
> places the solid orange too.> >> > Amazing work!> > -- Ken V> >> >> >> >> > 
> On Jan 7, 2008 6:25 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> >> > I think 
> compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem> > combination.> 
> >> > Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the menu.> >> > 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=menu.png>
>  >> > It may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around the 
> menu> > except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem. I'm sure the 
> right> > programmer could make it happen tho.> > 
> > > > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500> > 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> > > Subject: 
> [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.> > >> > > Updates to the union 
> mock ups and sources are officially ending. While> > working on the most 
> recent update, my laptop froze completely, and now it> > appears to be 
> completely dead. Because I'm beginning military training on> > the 13th, 
> there's no point in fixing the 6-year old beast of a laptop.> > >> > > The 
> data might be fine (I think it's the graphics card), and I'm going to> > plug 
> my hard-drive into a desktop computer to see if I still have my work;> > 
> depending on how this goes, I might get one more update loaded into the> > 
> wiki, after that I'll make the most of my time with the family before I> > 
> leave. If my data is corrupt or irretrievable, then I'll be forced to forget> 
> > any more updates.> > >> > > The 0.4 update was the second last planned 
> before calling the theme design> > "final". It unified outlines throughout 
> the theme, added an additional> > button to the bottom of the windows, and 
> overall had some colour balancing.> > If anyone wants to get a step closer to 
> the planned design, follow the steps> > below:> > >> > > - Brown lines 
> throughout the chrome receive 35% opacity, including drag> > circles.> > > - 
> Window frame button outlines receive converted tab outlines, becoming> > more 
> square and sharp.> > > - Close button no longer fades to the right, instead 
> going into the edge> > of the window and only 

Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[xl cheese]

Just to make sure we're all on the same page.  We are looking to find a way to 
draw the menubarItem and menu as one object.  See pic in the link
 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=C__Documents+and+Settings_whayslip_My+Documents_My+Pictures_UnifiedMenu.jpg



> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:40:56 +0100> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz 
> problem.> > On 08/01/2008, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > That's 
> actually the way clearlooks comes out of the box. I just adjusted> > the 
> color inside the engine to highlight the apps/places/system with the> > 
> normal bg color instead of orange.> >> > I wonder if the engine could draw 
> the tab/menu combo as one widget and> > compiz would recognize it and draw 
> the shadow the way we want?> >> > If I understand correctly you suggest using 
> some kind of shaped window> for menu+tab_header and then overlay that the 
> normal menu button. That> might work if done correctly, but it is quite 
> tricky I think.> > While it might be technically possibly for the theme to 
> rewrite the> window position for the popup (to have it north-east corner 
> match that> of the panel button), I think it is a can of worms. This might 
> trigger> all kinds of unknown position and focus bugs (which are notoriously> 
> hard to right).> > And alternative solution is to patch gtk+ itself, but that 
> will> probably break all theme not using this trick...> > Sorry, if I sound 
> negative. I shall twist my brain to try and come up> with more constructive 
> response...> > Cheers,> Mikkel> > > > Looking at the potential dropdown 
> problem of one item flowing into the next,> > plus the shadow at the same 
> intersection, why not go the opposite direction?> >> > Where the music 
> selection has the solid orange highlight, why not copy it> > onto the places 
> button? That way the highlight has continuity with the> > button, and it 
> eliminates both the shadow and the border issue. So really,> > just make 
> places the solid orange too.> >> > Amazing work!> > -- Ken V> >> >> >> >> > 
> On Jan 7, 2008 6:25 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> >> > I think 
> compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem> > combination.> 
> >> > Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the menu.> >> > 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=menu.png>
>  >> > It may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around the 
> menu> > except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem. I'm sure the 
> right> > programmer could make it happen tho.> > 
> > > > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500> > 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> > > Subject: 
> [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.> > >> > > Updates to the union 
> mock ups and sources are officially ending. While> > working on the most 
> recent update, my laptop froze completely, and now it> > appears to be 
> completely dead. Because I'm beginning military training on> > the 13th, 
> there's no point in fixing the 6-year old beast of a laptop.> > >> > > The 
> data might be fine (I think it's the graphics card), and I'm going to> > plug 
> my hard-drive into a desktop computer to see if I still have my work;> > 
> depending on how this goes, I might get one more update loaded into the> > 
> wiki, after that I'll make the most of my time with the family before I> > 
> leave. If my data is corrupt or irretrievable, then I'll be forced to forget> 
> > any more updates.> > >> > > The 0.4 update was the second last planned 
> before calling the theme design> > "final". It unified outlines throughout 
> the theme, added an additional> > button to the bottom of the windows, and 
> overall had some colour balancing.> > If anyone wants to get a step closer to 
> the planned design, follow the steps> > below:> > >> > > - Brown lines 
> throughout the chrome receive 35% opacity, including drag> > circles.> > > - 
> Window frame button outlines receive converted tab outlines, becoming> > more 
&

Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen]

On 08/01/2008, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That's actually the way clearlooks comes out of the box.  I just adjusted
> the color inside the engine to highlight the apps/places/system with the
> normal bg color instead of orange.
>
>  I wonder if the engine could draw the tab/menu combo as one widget and
> compiz would recognize it and draw the shadow the way we want?
>

If I understand correctly you suggest using some kind of shaped window
for menu+tab_header and then overlay that the normal menu button. That
might work if done correctly, but it is quite tricky I think.

While it might be technically possibly for the theme to rewrite the
window position for the popup (to have it north-east corner match that
of the panel button), I think it is a can of worms. This might trigger
all kinds of unknown position and focus bugs (which are notoriously
hard to right).

And alternative solution is to patch gtk+ itself, but that will
probably break all theme not using this trick...

Sorry, if I sound negative. I shall twist my brain to try and come up
with more constructive response...

Cheers,
Mikkel


> Looking at the potential dropdown problem of one item flowing into the next,
> plus the shadow at the same intersection, why not go the opposite direction?
>
> Where the music selection has the solid orange highlight, why not copy it
> onto the places button? That way the highlight has continuity with the
> button, and it eliminates both the shadow and the border issue. So really,
> just make places the solid orange too.
>
> Amazing work!
>  -- Ken V
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2008 6:25 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I think compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem
> combination.
>
> Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the menu.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=menu.png
>
> It may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around the menu
> except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem.  I'm sure the right
> programmer could make it happen tho.
> 
> > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.
> >
> > Updates to the union mock ups and sources are officially ending. While
> working on the most recent update, my laptop froze completely, and now it
> appears to be completely dead. Because I'm beginning military training on
> the 13th, there's no point in fixing the 6-year old beast of a laptop.
> >
> > The data might be fine (I think it's the graphics card), and I'm going to
> plug my hard-drive into a desktop computer to see if I still have my work;
> depending on how this goes, I might get one more update loaded into the
> wiki, after that I'll make the most of my time with the family before I
> leave. If my data is corrupt or irretrievable, then I'll be forced to forget
> any more updates.
> >
> > The 0.4 update was the second last planned before calling the theme design
> "final". It unified outlines throughout the theme, added an additional
> button to the bottom of the windows, and overall had some colour balancing.
> If anyone wants to get a step closer to the planned design, follow the steps
> below:
> >
> >  - Brown lines throughout the chrome receive 35% opacity, including drag
> circles.
> >  - Window frame button outlines receive converted tab outlines, becoming
> more square and sharp.
> >  - Close button no longer fades to the right, instead going into the edge
> of the window and only fading at the top.
> >
> > From here on out, I'm a useless bag of opinions until I leave (sucks to be
> this mailing list now, eh?). I'll try to keep up, and my email will always
> be open. If I do manage the update, a tar.gz will be available with all of
> my materials, including wallpapers, all versions of the theme, experiments,
> notes, personal instructions and my Formulae Tru design shown in my
> deviantart account, below.
> >
> > http://raraken.deviantart.com/
> >
> > Thank you, extreme apologies for any and all trouble this may cause.
> > -Ken Vermette
>
> _
> Watch "Cause Effect," a show about real people making a real difference.
> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause
> --
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>
>
>
> --
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> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[Dylan McCall]

Rats, I went and used an already-taken term! I mean to say that Compiz
shouldn't be blindly drawing shadows, when they are in its preferences.
Details like that should be controlled by the theme.

Bye,
-Dylan

On Jan 8, 2008 6:31 AM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's actually the way clearlooks comes out of the box.  I just adjusted
> the color inside the engine to highlight the apps/places/system with the
> normal bg color instead of orange.
>
> I wonder if the engine could draw the tab/menu combo as one widget and
> compiz would recognize it and draw the shadow the way we want?
>
>
> Looking at the potential dropdown problem of one item flowing into the
> next, plus the shadow at the same intersection, why not go the opposite
> direction?
>
> Where the music selection has the solid orange highlight, why not copy it
> onto the places button? That way the highlight has continuity with the
> button, and it eliminates both the shadow and the border issue. So really,
> just make places the solid orange too.
>
> Amazing work!
>  -- Ken V
>
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2008 6:25 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I think compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem
> combination.
>
> Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the menu.
>
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=menu.png
>
> It may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around the
> menu except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem.  I'm sure the
> right programmer could make it happen tho.
> 
> > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.
> >
> > Updates to the union mock ups and sources are officially ending. While
> working on the most recent update, my laptop froze completely, and now it
> appears to be completely dead. Because I'm beginning military training on
> the 13th, there's no point in fixing the 6-year old beast of a laptop.
> >
> > The data might be fine (I think it's the graphics card), and I'm going
> to plug my hard-drive into a desktop computer to see if I still have my
> work; depending on how this goes, I might get one more update loaded into
> the wiki, after that I'll make the most of my time with the family before I
> leave. If my data is corrupt or irretrievable, then I'll be forced to forget
> any more updates.
> >
> > The 0.4 update was the second last planned before calling the theme
> design "final". It unified outlines throughout the theme, added an
> additional button to the bottom of the windows, and overall had some colour
> balancing. If anyone wants to get a step closer to the planned design,
> follow the steps below:
> >
> >  - Brown lines throughout the chrome receive 35% opacity, including drag
> circles.
> >  - Window frame button outlines receive converted tab outlines, becoming
> more square and sharp.
> >  - Close button no longer fades to the right, instead going into the
> edge of the window and only fading at the top.
> >
> > From here on out, I'm a useless bag of opinions until I leave (sucks to
> be this mailing list now, eh?). I'll try to keep up, and my email will
> always be open. If I do manage the update, a tar.gz will be available with
> all of my materials, including wallpapers, all versions of the theme,
> experiments, notes, personal instructions and my Formulae Tru design shown
> in my deviantart account, below.
> >
> > http://raraken.deviantart.com/
> >
> > Thank you, extreme apologies for any and all trouble this may cause.
> > -Ken Vermette
>
> _
> Watch "Cause Effect," a show about real people making a real difference.
> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause
> --
> ubuntu-art mailing list
> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
>
>
>
>
> --
> -Ken Vermette
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[xl cheese]

That's actually the way clearlooks comes out of the box.  I just adjusted the 
color inside the engine to highlight the apps/places/system with the normal bg 
color instead of orange.  
 
I wonder if the engine could draw the tab/menu combo as one widget and compiz 
would recognize it and draw the shadow the way we want?

Looking at the potential dropdown problem of one item flowing into the next, 
plus the shadow at the same intersection, why not go the opposite 
direction?Where the music selection has the solid orange highlight, why not 
copy it onto the places button? That way the highlight has continuity with the 
button, and it eliminates both the shadow and the border issue. So really, just 
make places the solid orange too. Amazing work! -- Ken V
 
On Jan 7, 2008 6:25 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem 
combination.Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the 
menu.https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=menu.pngIt
 may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around the menu 
except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem.  I'm sure the right 
programmer could make it happen tho. > Date: 
Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates 
ending.>> Updates to the union mock ups and sources are officially ending. 
While working on the most recent update, my laptop froze completely, and now it 
appears to be completely dead. Because I'm beginning military training on the 
13th, there's no point in fixing the 6-year old beast of a laptop. >> The data 
might be fine (I think it's the graphics card), and I'm going to plug my 
hard-drive into a desktop computer to see if I still have my work; depending on 
how this goes, I might get one more update loaded into the wiki, after that 
I'll make the most of my time with the family before I leave. If my data is 
corrupt or irretrievable, then I'll be forced to forget any more updates. >> 
The 0.4 update was the second last planned before calling the theme design 
"final". It unified outlines throughout the theme, added an additional button 
to the bottom of the windows, and overall had some colour balancing. If anyone 
wants to get a step closer to the planned design, follow the steps below: >>  - 
Brown lines throughout the chrome receive 35% opacity, including drag circles.> 
 - Window frame button outlines receive converted tab outlines, becoming more 
square and sharp.>  - Close button no longer fades to the right, instead going 
into the edge of the window and only fading at the top. >> From here on out, 
I'm a useless bag of opinions until I leave (sucks to be this mailing list now, 
eh?). I'll try to keep up, and my email will always be open. If I do manage the 
update, a tar.gz will be available with all of my materials, including 
wallpapers, all versions of the theme, experiments, notes, personal 
instructions and my Formulae Tru design shown in my deviantart account, below. 
>> http://raraken.deviantart.com/>> Thank you, extreme apologies for any and 
all trouble this may cause.> -Ken 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[Travis Watkins]

On Jan 8, 2008 1:37 AM, Dylan McCall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That doesn't stop people from enabling the shadow themselves, unfortunately,
> but window decorations shouldn't be Compiz's business anyway.
>

What, if not the Window Manager, do you think should be repsonsible
for window decorations? I bet metacity with compositing enabled has
the same problem because (like all other WMs) it controls the window
decorations too.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[Dylan McCall]

The shadow could be disabled entirely for the menu in Compiz's
configuration. If anything, this would be a good opportunity to play with
that suggestion of the art team dealing with default Compiz settings.
Personally, I don't think it would be missed since the menu is already
transparent anyway...

That doesn't stop people from enabling the shadow themselves, unfortunately,
but window decorations shouldn't be Compiz's business anyway.

Bye,
-Dylan McCall

On Jan 7, 2008 10:15 PM, Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Looking at the screenshot, I need to say good work! Somewhat freaky seeing
> a live rendition of the mockup... If I wouldn't be murdered in my sleep, I'd
> install Ubuntu on this computer so I could see it in action!
>
> Looking at the potential dropdown problem of one item flowing into the
> next, plus the shadow at the same intersection, why not go the opposite
> direction?
>
> Where the music selection has the solid orange highlight, why not copy it
> onto the places button? That way the highlight has continuity with the
> button, and it eliminates both the shadow and the border issue. So really,
> just make places the solid orange too.
>
> The only other way I could see it being done would be to eliminate the
> line at the top completely (don't know if it's feasible), decreasing the
> depth of the shadow, and lowering it to the point where it no longer meets
> the border. This solution is horribly sloppy, and would hit the bottom menu
> hard.
>
> Aside from the dropdown, if you would like the Emerald theme I've
> developed, I can't send you the file directly, but I can attach a .zip file
> with all the images and instructions necessary to piece it together. I'll
> try to have it ready for tomorrow.
>
> Amazing work!
>  -- Ken V
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2008 6:25 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I think compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem
> > combination.
> >
> > Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the menu.
> >
> >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=menu.png
> >
> > It may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around the
> > menu except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem.  I'm sure the
> > right programmer could make it happen tho.
> > 
> > > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.
> > >
> > > Updates to the union mock ups and sources are officially ending. While
> > working on the most recent update, my laptop froze completely, and now it
> > appears to be completely dead. Because I'm beginning military training on
> > the 13th, there's no point in fixing the 6-year old beast of a laptop.
> > >
> > > The data might be fine (I think it's the graphics card), and I'm going
> > to plug my hard-drive into a desktop computer to see if I still have my
> > work; depending on how this goes, I might get one more update loaded into
> > the wiki, after that I'll make the most of my time with the family before I
> > leave. If my data is corrupt or irretrievable, then I'll be forced to forget
> > any more updates.
> > >
> > > The 0.4 update was the second last planned before calling the theme
> > design "final". It unified outlines throughout the theme, added an
> > additional button to the bottom of the windows, and overall had some colour
> > balancing. If anyone wants to get a step closer to the planned design,
> > follow the steps below:
> > >
> > >  - Brown lines throughout the chrome receive 35% opacity, including
> > drag circles.
> > >  - Window frame button outlines receive converted tab outlines,
> > becoming more square and sharp.
> > >  - Close button no longer fades to the right, instead going into the
> > edge of the window and only fading at the top.
> > >
> > > From here on out, I'm a useless bag of opinions until I leave (sucks
> > to be this mailing list now, eh?). I'll try to keep up, and my email will
> > always be open. If I do manage the update, a tar.gz will be available
> > with all of my materials, including wallpapers, all versions of the theme,
> > experiments, notes, personal instructions and my Formulae Tru design shown
> > in my deviantart account, below.
> > >
> > > http://raraken.deviantart.com/
> > >
> > > Thank you, extreme apologies for any and all trouble this may cause.
> > > -Ken Vermette
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[Ken Vermette]

Looking at the screenshot, I need to say good work! Somewhat freaky seeing a
live rendition of the mockup... If I wouldn't be murdered in my sleep, I'd
install Ubuntu on this computer so I could see it in action!

Looking at the potential dropdown problem of one item flowing into the next,
plus the shadow at the same intersection, why not go the opposite direction?

Where the music selection has the solid orange highlight, why not copy it
onto the places button? That way the highlight has continuity with the
button, and it eliminates both the shadow and the border issue. So really,
just make places the solid orange too.

The only other way I could see it being done would be to eliminate the line
at the top completely (don't know if it's feasible), decreasing the depth of
the shadow, and lowering it to the point where it no longer meets the
border. This solution is horribly sloppy, and would hit the bottom menu
hard.

Aside from the dropdown, if you would like the Emerald theme I've developed,
I can't send you the file directly, but I can attach a .zip file with all
the images and instructions necessary to piece it together. I'll try to have
it ready for tomorrow.

Amazing work!
 -- Ken V

On Jan 7, 2008 6:25 PM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I think compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem
> combination.
>
> Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the menu.
>
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=menu.png
>
> It may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around the
> menu except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem.  I'm sure the
> right programmer could make it happen tho.
> 
> > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.
> >
> > Updates to the union mock ups and sources are officially ending. While
> working on the most recent update, my laptop froze completely, and now it
> appears to be completely dead. Because I'm beginning military training on
> the 13th, there's no point in fixing the 6-year old beast of a laptop.
> >
> > The data might be fine (I think it's the graphics card), and I'm going
> to plug my hard-drive into a desktop computer to see if I still have my
> work; depending on how this goes, I might get one more update loaded into
> the wiki, after that I'll make the most of my time with the family before I
> leave. If my data is corrupt or irretrievable, then I'll be forced to forget
> any more updates.
> >
> > The 0.4 update was the second last planned before calling the theme
> design "final". It unified outlines throughout the theme, added an
> additional button to the bottom of the windows, and overall had some colour
> balancing. If anyone wants to get a step closer to the planned design,
> follow the steps below:
> >
> >  - Brown lines throughout the chrome receive 35% opacity, including drag
> circles.
> >  - Window frame button outlines receive converted tab outlines, becoming
> more square and sharp.
> >  - Close button no longer fades to the right, instead going into the
> edge of the window and only fading at the top.
> >
> > From here on out, I'm a useless bag of opinions until I leave (sucks to
> be this mailing list now, eh?). I'll try to keep up, and my email will
> always be open. If I do manage the update, a tar.gz will be available with
> all of my materials, including wallpapers, all versions of the theme,
> experiments, notes, personal instructions and my Formulae Tru design shown
> in my deviantart account, below.
> >
> > http://raraken.deviantart.com/
> >
> > Thank you, extreme apologies for any and all trouble this may cause.
> > -Ken Vermette
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.

[xl cheese]

I think compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem combination.

Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the menu.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=menu.png

It may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around the menu 
except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem.  I'm sure the right 
programmer could make it happen tho.

> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.
> 
> Updates to the union mock ups and sources are officially ending. While 
> working on the most recent update, my laptop froze completely, and now it 
> appears to be completely dead. Because I'm beginning military training on the 
> 13th, there's no point in fixing the 6-year old beast of a laptop.
> 
> The data might be fine (I think it's the graphics card), and I'm going to 
> plug my hard-drive into a desktop computer to see if I still have my work; 
> depending on how this goes, I might get one more update loaded into the wiki, 
> after that I'll make the most of my time with the family before I leave. If 
> my data is corrupt or irretrievable, then I'll be forced to forget any more 
> updates.
> 
> The 0.4 update was the second last planned before calling the theme design 
> "final". It unified outlines throughout the theme, added an additional button 
> to the bottom of the windows, and overall had some colour balancing. If 
> anyone wants to get a step closer to the planned design, follow the steps 
> below:
> 
>  - Brown lines throughout the chrome receive 35% opacity, including drag 
> circles.
>  - Window frame button outlines receive converted tab outlines, becoming more 
> square and sharp.
>  - Close button no longer fades to the right, instead going into the edge of 
> the window and only fading at the top.
> 
> From here on out, I'm a useless bag of opinions until I leave (sucks to be 
> this mailing list now, eh?). I'll try to keep up, and my email will always be 
> open. If I do manage the update, a tar.gz will be available with all of my 
> materials, including wallpapers, all versions of the theme, experiments, 
> notes, personal instructions and my Formulae Tru design shown in my 
> deviantart account, below.
> 
> http://raraken.deviantart.com/
> 
> Thank you, extreme apologies for any and all trouble this may cause.
> -Ken Vermette

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