[ubuntu-art] Wall-light
Hi, I'd just like to show my support, as many other people positively had, for this theme: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Intrepid_Ibex_Mockup_Designs Cheers. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
Hello, On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, I'd just like to show my support, as many other people positively had, for this theme: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Intrepid_Ibex_Mockup_Designs Cheers. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Matt Taylor -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
This theme is a closer to what I think Ubuntu should be working towards for Intrepid. I don't think there should be as many rounded corners as in the mock-ups. On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd just like to show my support, as many other people positively had, for this theme: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Intrepid_Ibex_Mockup_Designs Cheers. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
Alexi Helligar wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd just like to show my support, as many other people positively had, for this theme: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Intrepid_Ibex_Mockup_Designs Cheers. This theme is a closer to what I think Ubuntu should be working towards for Intrepid. I don't think there should be as many rounded corners as in the mock-ups. Please don't top-post. Outright copying another OS's design is a crappy idea. If our target audience is OSX/Windows users there's nothing wrong with taking design cues but this example here is just bad on so many levels. Another issue I see is it requires compositing. Now I'm fine with cutting off a particular set of users because of HW requirements but I don't control Ubuntu. So until compositing is standard, or we cut off certain users, we're unfortunately stuck. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
Ill Try and see if g-mail would like to work this time :P Hello, Although nice, I'm not sure this is the best way forward for the ubuntu look feel. Its some sort of a OS X , Vista love child. Ubuntu must offer something more out there, beautiful but yet 180o from what is deemed to be the GUI of an operating system. I my view its much better for people to be original and create there own themes that suite there needs. This can be achieved by overhauling the way you manipulate icon's, colour schems etc. Including a vast array of tools, options and the ability to link in more seamlessly with 3rd party providers that program apps for Last.fm, MySpace, Twitter etc. Will help forge people into creating a desktop experience that's right for there needs. Most importantly the art of ubuntu must not been seen to keep up with OSX and Vista. But to offer something truly amazing that redefines how users interact with their machine On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Alexi Helligar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This theme is a closer to what I think Ubuntu should be working towards for Intrepid. I don't think there should be as many rounded corners as in the mock-ups. On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd just like to show my support, as many other people positively had, for this theme: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Intrepid_Ibex_Mockup_Designs Cheers. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Matt Taylor -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
Sorry for the top post, I'm new to mailing list etiquette. Yeah, I noticed the OSX influence on it, but does that mean we should avoid it? Look at AWN, it's popular because it's functional, yet it was derived from OSX. I was just posting this as inspiration. I'm not suggesting ubuntu ships with AWN or OSX icons, but I like the colors of the borders, the backgrounds, and even the warning box. Gnome theme's don't make it to the front page of digg. This design is very eye catchy, and I don't see why we would be opposed to giving Ubuntu a breathe of fresh air. On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexi Helligar wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd just like to show my support, as many other people positively had, for this theme: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Intrepid_Ibex_Mockup_Designs Cheers. This theme is a closer to what I think Ubuntu should be working towards for Intrepid. I don't think there should be as many rounded corners as in the mock-ups. Please don't top-post. Outright copying another OS's design is a crappy idea. If our target audience is OSX/Windows users there's nothing wrong with taking design cues but this example here is just bad on so many levels. Another issue I see is it requires compositing. Now I'm fine with cutting off a particular set of users because of HW requirements but I don't control Ubuntu. So until compositing is standard, or we cut off certain users, we're unfortunately stuck. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- - Mike -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
I suspect part of the issue is that people are associating new and fresh themes with OS X or Vista, since those both were there 'first'. Like... *is* there a nice, new, theme that's not associated with them by anyone? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
Michael wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexi Helligar wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd just like to show my support, as many other people positively had, for this theme: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Intrepid_Ibex_Mockup_Designs Cheers. This theme is a closer to what I think Ubuntu should be working towards for Intrepid. I don't think there should be as many rounded corners as in the mock-ups. Please don't top-post. Outright copying another OS's design is a crappy idea. If our target audience is OSX/Windows users there's nothing wrong with taking design cues but this example here is just bad on so many levels. Another issue I see is it requires compositing. Now I'm fine with cutting off a particular set of users because of HW requirements but I don't control Ubuntu. So until compositing is standard, or we cut off certain users, we're unfortunately stuck. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Sorry for the top post, I'm new to mailing list etiquette. Yeah, I noticed the OSX influence on it, but does that mean we should avoid it? Look at AWN, it's popular because it's functional, yet it was derived from OSX. I was just posting this as inspiration. I'm not suggesting ubuntu ships with AWN or OSX icons, but I like the colors of the borders, the backgrounds, and even the warning box. Gnome theme's don't make it to the front page of digg. This design is very eye catchy, and I don't see why we would be opposed to giving Ubuntu a breathe of fresh air. -- - Mike Still didn't get it. There's a setting in Gmail somewhere or simply start typing at the bottom. ;) We should try to avoid it to a point yes. Take that same UI layout and remove all the glossy OSX/Windows bits and the floor wallpaper that is just everywhere and do something original. I don't give a sh*t about Digg. It's the lowest common denominator and I personally wouldn't cater to them. There are much more original ideas out there. ;) -Cory. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexi Helligar wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd just like to show my support, as many other people positively had, for this theme: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Intrepid_Ibex_Mockup_Designs Cheers. This theme is a closer to what I think Ubuntu should be working towards for Intrepid. I don't think there should be as many rounded corners as in the mock-ups. Please don't top-post. Outright copying another OS's design is a crappy idea. If our target audience is OSX/Windows users there's nothing wrong with taking design cues but this example here is just bad on so many levels. Another issue I see is it requires compositing. Now I'm fine with cutting off a particular set of users because of HW requirements but I don't control Ubuntu. So until compositing is standard, or we cut off certain users, we're unfortunately stuck. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Sorry for the top post, I'm new to mailing list etiquette. Yeah, I noticed the OSX influence on it, but does that mean we should avoid it? Look at AWN, it's popular because it's functional, yet it was derived from OSX. I was just posting this as inspiration. I'm not suggesting ubuntu ships with AWN or OSX icons, but I like the colors of the borders, the backgrounds, and even the warning box. Gnome theme's don't make it to the front page of digg. This design is very eye catchy, and I don't see why we would be opposed to giving Ubuntu a breathe of fresh air. -- - Mike Still didn't get it. There's a setting in Gmail somewhere or simply start typing at the bottom. ;) We should try to avoid it to a point yes. Take that same UI layout and remove all the glossy OSX/Windows bits and the floor wallpaper that is just everywhere and do something original. I don't give a sh*t about Digg. It's the lowest common denominator and I personally wouldn't cater to them. There are much more original ideas out there. ;) -Cory. I do hope you read then any of the Ars Technica, Softpedia comments in regards to the current them. This isn't high-end artwork, this is artwork for the layman to understand and appreciate here... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
Still didn't get it. There's a setting in Gmail somewhere or simply start typing at the bottom. ;) There isn't a setting, but you can simply hit Ctrl+End once you opened the reply window. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Klaus Bitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still didn't get it. There's a setting in Gmail somewhere or simply start typing at the bottom. ;) There isn't a setting, but you can simply hit Ctrl+End once you opened the reply window. Related question, are we supposed to keep to delete the mailing list footer? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Klaus Bitto [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Still didn't get it. There's a setting in Gmail somewhere or simply start typing at the bottom. ;) There isn't a setting, but you can simply hit Ctrl+End once you opened the reply window. Related question, are we supposed to keep to delete the mailing list footer? Just delete everything not related to your response, I think, then post below what you have kept. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Klaus Bitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still didn't get it. There's a setting in Gmail somewhere or simply start typing at the bottom. ;) There isn't a setting, but you can simply hit Ctrl+End once you opened the reply window. Related question, are we supposed to keep to delete the mailing list footer? Just delete everything not related to your response, I think, then post below what you have kept. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Alas, another concept that will never happen. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering, why do the concepts never happen? Does no one make them, or do they just get rejected by the community? On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Klaus Bitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still didn't get it. There's a setting in Gmail somewhere or simply start typing at the bottom. ;) There isn't a setting, but you can simply hit Ctrl+End once you opened the reply window. Related question, are we supposed to keep to delete the mailing list footer? Just delete everything not related to your response, I think, then post below what you have kept. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Alas, another concept that will never happen. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- - Mike -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Mostly no one makes them. Very few people make the most important themes in Gnome and KDE... that and the good themes and such are not packaged nor put together properly. A lot of people also get mad and jsut dont want to work with community art teams. Also, this team lacks organization of any sort. I have attempted to do something but it hasnt gotten anywhere no one wants to follow it and people just quit. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Klaus Bitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still didn't get it. There's a setting in Gmail somewhere or simply start typing at the bottom. ;) There isn't a setting, but you can simply hit Ctrl+End once you opened the reply window. Related question, are we supposed to keep to delete the mailing list footer? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Don't know about the top-posting business. I use Gmail and I just reply to messages I receive. Mark Shuttleworth has expressed that Ubuntu should surpass the experience offered by the OSX. Perhaps before OSX can be surpassed it must be equaled. The current usability of Ubuntu does not equal OSX. I see there are members of the community who think Ubuntu should offer a UI that is different from other offerings but this is a very difficult to do and still meet the expectations of the general computing public who we recognize as an important audience. What is it that makes the OSX such a great UI? * consistent widgets across all applications; * extremely smooth, stable and polished visual behavior from startup to shutdown; * sophisticated use do color, contrast, texture and placement of widgets and decorations; * attention to detail (seems that they have thought about the sizing and placement of every element and every mimetype); * seamless integration of visual and aural elements (for example, in Ubuntu the very long default logon sound is often over before the desktop is ready for use); * visually strong wallpapers; This attention to detail is what draws users to OSX. I think Ubuntu has to do the same. I don't know if the current UI toolkits like QT and GTK are up to the task. Ubuntu designers need to get over their aversion to looking like Vista or OSX until they have mastered the best those UI's have to offer. Ubuntu is not going to re-invent the usability wheel any time soon. Vista. Office 2007 and the Novell slab have shown how disastrous this mindset can be. Modern GUI users expect toolbars, icons, menus, form fields, etc. They expect them to be in places where they are used to finding them. You cannot simply do something different just for the sake of being different. Keep in mind, Apple and Microsoft are leveraging years of UI development research. Apple does a far better job and is the horse to beat. OSX is not perfect; for example, Finder is a clumsy file manager. This lack of usability is not the fault of the UI artists, however. They do a miraculous job. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
Michael wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Klaus Bitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still didn't get it. There's a setting in Gmail somewhere or simply start typing at the bottom. ;) There isn't a setting, but you can simply hit Ctrl+End once you opened the reply window. Related question, are we supposed to keep to delete the mailing list footer? Just delete everything not related to your response, I think, then post below what you have kept. Ashton https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Alas, another concept that will never happen. Just wondering, why do the concepts never happen? Does no one make them, or do they just get rejected by the community? -- - Mike Again. Top posting. *Most* of the time, my experience is that concepts rarely go anywhere. It reallt takes a strong person to go from concept to reality. Most people just don't put in the effort. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wall-light
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Klaus Bitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still didn't get it. There's a setting in Gmail somewhere or simply start typing at the bottom. ;) There isn't a setting, but you can simply hit Ctrl+End once you opened the reply window. Related question, are we supposed to keep to delete the mailing list footer? Just delete everything not related to your response, I think, then post below what you have kept. Ashton https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Alas, another concept that will never happen. Just wondering, why do the concepts never happen? Does no one make them, or do they just get rejected by the community? -- - Mike Again. Top posting. *Most* of the time, my experience is that concepts rarely go anywhere. It reallt takes a strong person to go from concept to reality. Most people just don't put in the effort. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Good article on usability: http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2008/08/01/free-software-usability -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
