Re: [ubuntu-art] Workflow management
Michiel Sikma wrote: MediaWiki keeps revision histories of _everything_, including images. You can jump back to old revisions of images for comparison. Not that this makes it a perfect CMS for artwork collaboration, though... I've looked into this quite a bit in the past. It's a very difficult thing to find. Most DMS (document management systems) target very high-end users who need to manage documents/media for 50 years. Popular with the likes of Boeing and NASA and Phizor etc. There was a brief conversation on the matter in IRC. A product was suggested a while back which used Drupal with the Gallery2 plugin. For our needs, this is fundamentally no different than gallery2 on its own, since we don't need CMS features (just image colaboration because wiki provides avenue for content). The Gallery2 project is foss, mature and very active. The only thing it doesn't provide is versioning for images, but its plugin system is very powerful and this could be added. The installation is easy, and I've got it setup. However the server is having a problem because of a reverse DNS issue (e-mails are being selective ignored by strict mail servers). Here's the gallery2 main website: http://gallery.menalto.com Here's where I've placed my quick test: http://art-staging.ubuntu.com/gallery2 I've used and hacked gallery for years, but I'll admit, this newer version has added a lot of stuff and I've not got it all figured out yet. If there are a few enterprising souls out there who want to try it out, please, be my guest. I'm working on the rdns/mailserver issue now. If it turns out gallery2 isn't suitable, we'll trash it and find something better. But since its free and we have the server all ready, might as well give it a try. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Workflow management
Would a branch or a fork be the same thing as starting a new thread? Perhaps then there can be an adaptation in the site's presentation that groups all threads for the same app together, and if there is a thread that is derivative from another then that could be presented sequentially. On Saturday 09 September 2006 15:57, Jan Claeys wrote: Op do, 07-09-2006 te 08:15 -0400, schreef Nathan Eckenrode: There is some interesting work happening over here at http://kollabor8.toegristle.com/ I am not certain of the software which is being used , but I think that this is the sort of idea that you are looking for. It seems like this site doesn't support branches (or forks) ? Wouldn't that be needed? -- Jan Claeys pgpE5L1QZiX1m.pgp Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Workflow management
Jan, I'm resending this. I meant to cc the group yesterday... On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 21:57 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: Op do, 07-09-2006 te 08:15 -0400, schreef Nathan Eckenrode: There is some interesting work happening over here at http://kollabor8.toegristle.com/ I am not certain of the software which is being used , but I think that this is the sort of idea that you are looking for. It seems like this site doesn't support branches (or forks) ? Wouldn't that be needed? -- Jan Claeys Yeah, I think Mark has some ideas that he'd like to see implemented before it's considered optimal. Kollabor8 just seems like a good starting point. Ideally it would be a cvs, svn, or bzr backend with an image gallery interface and wiki style content management system. It's the backend where I see problems arising. Since the image data is entirely binary and not text based, there is probably no way to just save changes like cvs would do. Because of this the database is going to grow large quickly and will ultimately slow down. Now it may not be realistic in the near term but if the tool could read certain file formats we could get around some of this bloat. Say it understood xcf files... new versions of those files would be based on the original xcf, with only information for missing layers and edited layers uploaded. Then we would be getting close to a true version control system for images. Over time, the system could be expanded to understand and use many of the more open image formats. That would be awesome. Just think how popular cvs is... -- Chuck Huber [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Workflow management
Op do, 07-09-2006 te 08:15 -0400, schreef Nathan Eckenrode: There is some interesting work happening over here at http://kollabor8.toegristle.com/ I am not certain of the software which is being used , but I think that this is the sort of idea that you are looking for. It seems like this site doesn't support branches (or forks) ? Wouldn't that be needed? -- Jan Claeys -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Workflow management
On 9/8/06, Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-07-09 at 12:43 -0400, Nathan Eckenrode wrote: Perhaps this is not what people are looking for to streamline the process, but it makes sense to me that if the developers of code base have a cvs to maintain code, then the developers of the distribution's artwork needs a system which allows the artists to compare the changes to a piece of art in a visual manner and make decisions on which to make collaborative contributions. I think you are on the money. This is exactly the kind of tool we require. The process needs to show a more evolutionary progression. Diverse artwork in a plethora of different styles / looks isn't that useful to a product that seeks a more polished look. I believe imbrandon has something mocked up with a Drupal based CMS, but perhaps he could chime in here and offer up what he has done. I agree too - I am forever making huge contact sheets of my work for posting to the wiki so that the evolution is clear and peopel can comment on different stages of the process. A usefull system for me would be the ability to sumit many versions of a specific piece of work, have it tile them, make a slideshow, order them and allow each individual one to be commented on and discussed... Jono Bacon had some thoughts about making it easier for creative people to contribute: http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=740 Who -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Workflow management
Op 7-sep-2006, om 18:43 heeft Nathan Eckenrode het volgende geschreven: I am not certain I see how Mediawiki is better at allowing one to see the progression of work that has been done on artwork. It appears to be the same solution that is currently in place, a wiki. i certainly can be wrong in this aspect, it will not be the first time nor the last time. MediaWiki keeps revision histories of _everything_, including images. You can jump back to old revisions of images for comparison. Not that this makes it a perfect CMS for artwork collaboration, though... Michiel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Workflow management
On Thursday 07 September 2006 12:08, PingunZ wrote: ubuntuguide.org I am not certain I see how Mediawiki is better at allowing one to see the progression of work that has been done on artwork. It appears to be the same solution that is currently in place, a wiki. i certainly can be wrong in this aspect, it will not be the first time nor the last time. The solution which is demonstrated at kollabor8 has images which you check out and alter and then upload the new version, very similiar to version control for code except demonstrates the visual changes in the item. Perhaps this is not what people are looking for to streamline the process, but it makes sense to me that if the developers of code base have a cvs to maintain code, then the developers of the distribution's artwork needs a system which allows the artists to compare the changes to a piece of art in a visual manner and make decisions on which to make collaborative contributions. Still, I retain the right to be wrong and will try to accept it if I am. pgp7zR19PIKBT.pgp Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Workflow management
Nathan Eckenrode wrote: There is some interesting work happening over here at http://kollabor8.toegristle.com/ I am not certain of the software which is being used , but I think that this is the sort of idea that you are looking for. Yes, this is very close to what I want! I tihnk we need a couple more features. I'll contact these guys and see if they are interested in helping out. Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
