Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Probably you are a bad guy? I've to go now... Sorry, but I'm loading it up next weekend... Sebastian Am Mittwoch, den 16.04.2008, 02:04 +0300 schrieb Nemes Ioan Sorin: Sebastian - how I can get Creamlooks ? the archive you put on the web is still forbidden ...at least for me ;) Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: Hi there... I found out a simple workaround for the emerald/compiz-problem with the menus... Just replace the Draw shadow on these windows-entry: (any) !(type=Menu | DropdownMenu) cheers Sebastian Am Sonntag, den 23.03.2008, 00:13 +0200 schrieb SorinN: OK, Sebastian, thanks 2008/3/22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes of course... The only thing I was doing is, that I get the localtion of the widgets of the GdkWindow, compare them and draw a line on the border of the menu frame from the x coordinate of the menubaritemwidget to the x + width of the menubatritem. I think it's al little bit less cde than in the eXperience-engine... Wouldn't it be great, if cimi could do that on Murrine? And the menubar/toolbar-stuff? I think it's something many users want... Let's ask him (I'm doing so now;-)) Unfortunaltely I'm not at home this weekend... I'm writing from a friends XP... (1h using, 4 times down;-) Sorry, sometimes I need something like this...) I'll upload it on monday... cheers Sebastian Billaudelle Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0200 Von: SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden. So : 1. Please let us download this file ;) .. 2. Can we do this hack for other engines ? cheers, Sorin 2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin Ich aktzeptiere keine MS Office Dokumente, weil sie 1. kein ISO Standard sind, 2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und 3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind! Benutze bitte das Open Document Format - jeder kann es kostenlos öffnen - auch noch in tausenden von Jahren! Please do not send me any Microsoft Office documents - I won't accept them! See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for more information! Sorry! signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Sebastian - how I can get Creamlooks ?
the archive you put on the web is still forbidden ...at least for me ;)
Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:
Hi there...
I found out a simple workaround for the emerald/compiz-problem with the
menus...
Just replace the Draw shadow on these windows-entry: (any)
!(type=Menu | DropdownMenu)
cheers
Sebastian
Am Sonntag, den 23.03.2008, 00:13 +0200 schrieb SorinN:
OK, Sebastian, thanks
2008/3/22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yes of course...
The only thing I was doing is, that I get the localtion of the widgets of
the GdkWindow, compare them and draw a line on the border of the menu
frame from the x coordinate of the menubaritemwidget to the x + width of
the menubatritem.
I think it's al little bit less cde than in the eXperience-engine...
Wouldn't it be great, if cimi could do that on Murrine? And the
menubar/toolbar-stuff?
I think it's something many users want... Let's ask him (I'm doing so
now;-))
Unfortunaltely I'm not at home this weekend... I'm writing from a friends
XP... (1h using, 4 times down;-) Sorry, sometimes I need something like
this...)
I'll upload it on monday...
cheers
Sebastian Billaudelle
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0200
Von: SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz
don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden.
So :
1. Please let us download this file ;) ..
2. Can we do this hack for other engines ?
cheers,
Sorin
2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL
PROTECTED]:
Oops... sorry.!
Here with the right subject!
_
Hi there!
Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the
clearlooks-engine.
My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on
clear-/xl_cheeselooks,
but
has some advantages:
I. Bugfixes:
In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but
without
toolbar. It was very ugly.
II. New features:
1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like
one
single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now.
2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think
some
parts looks very close to this...
3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed.
4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded.
You can download the stuff here:
http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz
You can read more about it (screenshot...) here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks
cheers Sebastian
P. S.: My modem is working now again...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
OK...
Try http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz...
cheers Sebastian
Am Sonntag, den 23.03.2008, 00:13 +0200 schrieb SorinN:
OK, Sebastian, thanks
2008/3/22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yes of course...
The only thing I was doing is, that I get the localtion of the widgets of
the GdkWindow, compare them and draw a line on the border of the menu frame
from the x coordinate of the menubaritemwidget to the x + width of the
menubatritem.
I think it's al little bit less cde than in the eXperience-engine...
Wouldn't it be great, if cimi could do that on Murrine? And the
menubar/toolbar-stuff?
I think it's something many users want... Let's ask him (I'm doing so
now;-))
Unfortunaltely I'm not at home this weekend... I'm writing from a friends
XP... (1h using, 4 times down;-) Sorry, sometimes I need something like
this...)
I'll upload it on monday...
cheers
Sebastian Billaudelle
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0200
Von: SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz
don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden.
So :
1. Please let us download this file ;) ..
2. Can we do this hack for other engines ?
cheers,
Sorin
2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Oops... sorry.!
Here with the right subject!
_
Hi there!
Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the
clearlooks-engine.
My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks,
but
has some advantages:
I. Bugfixes:
In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but
without
toolbar. It was very ugly.
II. New features:
1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like
one
single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now.
2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think
some
parts looks very close to this...
3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed.
4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded.
You can download the stuff here:
http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz
You can read more about it (screenshot...) here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks
cheers Sebastian
P. S.: My modem is working now again...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Hi there! I hacked again a little bit... I added on the left and right sides of the toolbar a line. I think that looks better with the window border I choosed now. Unfortunately I wasn't able to load the engine up, because my connection is very slow... But here is a screenshot (You can see the new window decoration, too): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=creamlooks-2.png The code will come tomorrow! cheers Sebastian Am Montag, den 24.03.2008, 15:21 +0100 schrieb Sebastian Billaudelle: OK... Try http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz... cheers Sebastian Am Sonntag, den 23.03.2008, 00:13 +0200 schrieb SorinN: OK, Sebastian, thanks 2008/3/22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes of course... The only thing I was doing is, that I get the localtion of the widgets of the GdkWindow, compare them and draw a line on the border of the menu frame from the x coordinate of the menubaritemwidget to the x + width of the menubatritem. I think it's al little bit less cde than in the eXperience-engine... Wouldn't it be great, if cimi could do that on Murrine? And the menubar/toolbar-stuff? I think it's something many users want... Let's ask him (I'm doing so now;-)) Unfortunaltely I'm not at home this weekend... I'm writing from a friends XP... (1h using, 4 times down;-) Sorry, sometimes I need something like this...) I'll upload it on monday... cheers Sebastian Billaudelle Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0200 Von: SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden. So : 1. Please let us download this file ;) .. 2. Can we do this hack for other engines ? cheers, Sorin 2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden. So : 1. Please let us download this file ;) .. 2. Can we do this hack for other engines ? cheers, Sorin 2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Yes of course... The only thing I was doing is, that I get the localtion of the widgets of the GdkWindow, compare them and draw a line on the border of the menu frame from the x coordinate of the menubaritemwidget to the x + width of the menubatritem. I think it's al little bit less cde than in the eXperience-engine... Wouldn't it be great, if cimi could do that on Murrine? And the menubar/toolbar-stuff? I think it's something many users want... Let's ask him (I'm doing so now;-)) Unfortunaltely I'm not at home this weekend... I'm writing from a friends XP... (1h using, 4 times down;-) Sorry, sometimes I need something like this...) I'll upload it on monday... cheers Sebastian Billaudelle Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0200 Von: SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden. So : 1. Please let us download this file ;) .. 2. Can we do this hack for other engines ? cheers, Sorin 2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
OK, Sebastian, thanks 2008/3/22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes of course... The only thing I was doing is, that I get the localtion of the widgets of the GdkWindow, compare them and draw a line on the border of the menu frame from the x coordinate of the menubaritemwidget to the x + width of the menubatritem. I think it's al little bit less cde than in the eXperience-engine... Wouldn't it be great, if cimi could do that on Murrine? And the menubar/toolbar-stuff? I think it's something many users want... Let's ask him (I'm doing so now;-)) Unfortunaltely I'm not at home this weekend... I'm writing from a friends XP... (1h using, 4 times down;-) Sorry, sometimes I need something like this...) I'll upload it on monday... cheers Sebastian Billaudelle Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0200 Von: SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden. So : 1. Please let us download this file ;) .. 2. Can we do this hack for other engines ? cheers, Sorin 2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent border around the windows. on laptops (which increasingly average at 1024x768 pixels) this would be especially impractical. why not just do away with the strange exaggerated border? it's like the theme attempts minimalism but gets self-conscious about it along the way. my 2 bytes. -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. ..on or around Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 01:17:52AM +0100, Sebastian Billaudelle said: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I didn't found a good theme. But it doesn't belong to creamlooks. See the last post from xl_cheese! I'm using that now (Thank you, xl_cheese!)... I'll update the wiki... cheers stein Am Freitag, den 21.03.2008, 15:03 +0100 schrieb Julian Oliver: i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent border around the windows. on laptops (which increasingly average at 1024x768 pixels) this would be especially impractical. why not just do away with the strange exaggerated border? it's like the theme attempts minimalism but gets self-conscious about it along the way. my 2 bytes. -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. ..on or around Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 01:17:52AM +0100, Sebastian Billaudelle said: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). -Sumit Julian Oliver wrote: i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent border around the windows. on laptops (which increasingly average at 1024x768 pixels) this would be especially impractical. why not just do away with the strange exaggerated border? it's like the theme attempts minimalism but gets self-conscious about it along the way. my 2 bytes. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Sumit Agarwal wrote: I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). -Sumit Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows properly. A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being able to grab the corners. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Yes, this is somewhat true, but wouldn't at least the titlebar edges remain grab-able? It also begs a question I personally have been wondering for some time: is it possible to force GNOME to draw a resizer in the corner on all windows, including those lacking a status- bar? -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Cory K. wrote: Sumit Agarwal wrote: I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). -Sumit Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows properly. A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being able to grab the corners. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully transparent? Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:46:03 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk Sumit Agarwal wrote: I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). -Sumit Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows properly. A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being able to grab the corners. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-USocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
For basic interface issues I strongly believe we should not rely on graphic/processing-intense features (which is part of why I think the drop shadows should also not be relied upon). Ubuntu needs to maintain identical usability on powerful or legacy systems, with the addition that on a powerful system there is essentially a 'make pretty' button (which there is!). That said, I find myself stunned by how responsive Mac OS 10.4 is on a Pentium M 1.4Ghz machine with absolutely no graphic acceleration (just make sure v-sync is disabled!). To summarize: the borders need to be sufficient to distinguish one window from another (otherwise the white space of one document may bleed into an underlying white window), but preferably the borders should not be any larger than required for this (again, drop shadows essentially negate this need, or replace this need). If it were my call, I'd ask for 1-pixel borders and a forced resize grip in the bottom-right corner of every window. This, along with gripable title- bars, I think would be a good solution, but every taste differs and it should be noted that the Vista team, with its broad mainstream target, seemed to think huge bloated borders were best. I think Vista's large borders were just included to show off Aeroglass, not for functionality or usability. However, they keep those huge ugly borders even when Aero is switched off or unavailable. -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 11:00 AM, xl cheese wrote: There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully transparent? Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:46:03 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk Sumit Agarwal wrote: I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). -Sumit Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows properly. A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being able to grab the corners. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Sumit Agarwal wrote: As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). Julian Oliver wrote: i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent border around the windows. Agree 100% with these two comments. The main issue here is that both Tango and the resultant 'style' is an extremely far cry from communicating anything close to ideas such as elegant or graceful. The resultant look, with its reliance on heavy, thick, rounded border lines -- including the insistence on GTK control border lines -- would probably have descriptive words such as bulbous and clunky chosen when offered up on a multiple choice poll. I have long been extremely vocal about this facet of Ubuntu, but alas, the inevitable fallacy of the usability factor is brought up, and the status quo keeps marching along - as opposed to actually examining the issue at hand. To compare, have a peek at the beautiful John Hicks work for the Thunderbird and Firefox icons ( http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/work/mozilla-logos ) against just about any of the Crayola inspired elements Gnome has. Again, this is about associations, and thick outlines / borders / control lines have no place if one is trying to communicate an element of grace or elegance in westernized art. What are we saying to our audience? Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I think that John Hicks' design is a perfect target goal for Ubuntu art. One of the strongest strengths of his design is that it does not attempt to be 'Windowsish', 'Macish', or 'Vistaish'. Its an independent highly-effective attractive and usable style. One of the main goals in Firefox 3 is to better visually integrate the application into its host OS's. Some have complained that this is resulting in a dilution in the Mozilla 'brand'. Overall I agree with this goal because most users spend the majority of their day inside their web browser. However, it poses a specific problem with the Linux version because, obviously, there is no standard Linux look. So the Firefox team seems to have settled on a Tango/GTK look. I think this is a huge mistake. Firstly, it ignores KDE users (who should switch from Konqueror to Firefox!) and anyone with even a vague sense of style who is likely to have already changed from the default GTK theme. So, I really think the Firefox team should take advantage of Firefox 3 on Linux as an opportunity to 'define the Firefox brand'. Away from the preset styles of Windows and Mac, Linux is a chance to build a whole identity for Mozilla around the base concepts introduced by John Hicks' work. And being that even within Linux most users spend so much of their time within Firefox and Thunderbird, maybe we could have a faint glimmer of hope that stylistic changes in Firefox/Thunderbird will cascade through the rest of the open-source community. It seems to me that the GNOME/GTK attitude to updating the visual style really comes down to 1) it works 2) the million+ of us can't agree on a new look and 3) who are YOU to decide what MY desktop looks like?! This is stupid. As it stands, despite the 'open' nature of GNOME/GTK, the power to decide what it looks like is in the hands of a few people. The people who created the original style a decade ago. These same people in all likelihood have moved on to favoring more modern looks, but even they can't decide what mine and your desktops look like, although they did exactly that at one point. Maybe GNOME/GTK needs a Linus Torvalds or Steve Jobs? Somebody who ultimately approves what gets added and what gets changed, and, more importantly, sets the vision for the future? The problem with this idea of course is 1) who picks this person? 2) HOW do those people pick this person and 3) even if we had a leader like that, there are few leaders in the world with the skills and intuition of Linus Torvalds or Steve Jobs. I'm not sure what your point is about Western art ;) afterall, Asian sumi-e painting is particularly effective at using rich textures without gaudy colors or unnecessary outlines. -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Troy James Sobotka wrote: Sumit Agarwal wrote: As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). Julian Oliver wrote: i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent border around the windows. Agree 100% with these two comments. The main issue here is that both Tango and the resultant 'style' is an extremely far cry from communicating anything close to ideas such as elegant or graceful. The resultant look, with its reliance on heavy, thick, rounded border lines -- including the insistence on GTK control border lines -- would probably have descriptive words such as bulbous and clunky chosen when offered up on a multiple choice poll. I have long been extremely vocal about this facet of Ubuntu, but alas, the inevitable fallacy of the usability factor is brought up, and the status quo keeps marching along - as opposed to actually examining the issue at hand. To compare, have a peek at the beautiful John Hicks work for the Thunderbird and Firefox icons ( http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/work/mozilla-logos ) against just about any of the Crayola inspired elements Gnome has. Again, this is about associations, and thick outlines / borders / control lines have no place if one is trying to communicate an element of grace or elegance in westernized art. What are we saying to our audience? Sincerely, TJS -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:46:03PM -0400, Cory K. said: Sumit Agarwal wrote: I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). -Sumit Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows properly. A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being able to grab the corners. personally, i prefer to use DWM as my primary work WM. in my setup i have 1 pixel thin border for all windows. when near the corner of any window i can simply hit ALT-LMB and the cursor changes to the resize cursor. it's simple. i really like it. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 01:00:22PM -0500, xl cheese said: There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully transparent? it seems strange to me that the borders of windows would be made thicker /all the time/ just so they could make better click targets when someone needs to resize. why not just use a keyboard bind? hold down ALT when near an edge or corner to resize. if within range (4 pixels) the cursor changes to a resize cursor. it works with my current window manager just fine. GNOME should do it too and free up those precious pixels - a lesson in K.I.S.S. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:35:26PM +0100, Julian Oliver said: personally, i prefer to use DWM as my primary work WM. in my setup i have 1 pixel thin border for all windows. when near the corner of any window i can simply hit ALT-LMB and the cursor changes to the resize cursor. it's simple. i really like it. oops, i meant ALT-RMB for resizing windows. ALT-LMB works just as it does in GNOME. chars, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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It doesn't fall under K.I.S.S. because 90+% of users would never dream that a keyboard button would function as a toggle upon the cursor. If you can't get around just fine without a keyboard plugged in, you haven't succeeded in your interface design. You wouldn't believe how many Windows users are stunned when I use CTRL+C, CTRL+V, ALT+ESC, and ALT+TAB. Despite these functions being present since time immemorial, most people are still completely unaware of it. Oh, and I have a TabletPC, so while I like keyboard shortcuts, I don't like to be forced to use them ;) -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: ..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 01:00:22PM -0500, xl cheese said: There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully transparent? it seems strange to me that the borders of windows would be made thicker /all the time/ just so they could make better click targets when someone needs to resize. why not just use a keyboard bind? hold down ALT when near an edge or corner to resize. if within range (4 pixels) the cursor changes to a resize cursor. it works with my current window manager just fine. GNOME should do it too and free up those precious pixels - a lesson in K.I.S.S. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 04:35:34PM -0700, Sumit Agarwal said: It doesn't fall under K.I.S.S. because 90+% of users would never dream that a keyboard button would function as a toggle upon the cursor. then how does it somehow occur to them that ALT-LMB will grab a window? that ALT-TAB cycles though windows? If you can't get around just fine without a keyboard plugged in, you haven't succeeded in your interface design. You wouldn't believe how many Windows users are stunned when I use CTRL+C, CTRL+V, ALT+ESC, and ALT+TAB. Despite these functions being present since time immemorial, most people are still completely unaware of it. Oh, and I have a TabletPC, so while I like keyboard shortcuts, I don't like to be forced to use them ;) the TabletPC is a case i hadn't considered. a solution may be to have the cursor change to a resize graphic when the pointer is within 3 pixels of the window edge. this would also make it more apparent for those transitioning from other windowing environments. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. On Mar 21, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: ..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 01:00:22PM -0500, xl cheese said: There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully transparent? it seems strange to me that the borders of windows would be made thicker /all the time/ just so they could make better click targets when someone needs to resize. why not just use a keyboard bind? hold down ALT when near an edge or corner to resize. if within range (4 pixels) the cursor changes to a resize cursor. it works with my current window manager just fine. GNOME should do it too and free up those precious pixels - a lesson in K.I.S.S. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Hrm, I'm not sure I'm following your first point. Precisely what I was arguing was that most users are *not* aware that ALT-TAB cycles through windows, and that such behavior is not intuitive (though useful). ALT-LMB grabbing a window is news even to me ;) But your TabletPC suggestion is interesting, possibly even for other input devices as well. What it amounts to is a sort of 'invisible' multi-pixel window border. The best of both worlds? Maybe. I worry about a situation in which a user needs to manipulate pixels at the edge of a window, but the solution is simply to have it only switch to resize behavior *outside* of the application window, exactly like a window border. This might be perceived as interfering with underlying windows, but how many people select an underlying window by clicking it within 3 pixels of an overlaying window? This solution would also eliminate the need for a corner resize grip. Overall, I think it would be an exceptionally intuitive, naturalistic, and space-efficient solution. We still need single-pixel borders for non-compositing window managers, but with compositing window managers that border can be eliminated entirely in favor of a drop shadow. -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: ..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 04:35:34PM -0700, Sumit Agarwal said: It doesn't fall under K.I.S.S. because 90+% of users would never dream that a keyboard button would function as a toggle upon the cursor. then how does it somehow occur to them that ALT-LMB will grab a window? that ALT-TAB cycles though windows? If you can't get around just fine without a keyboard plugged in, you haven't succeeded in your interface design. You wouldn't believe how many Windows users are stunned when I use CTRL+C, CTRL+V, ALT+ESC, and ALT+TAB. Despite these functions being present since time immemorial, most people are still completely unaware of it. Oh, and I have a TabletPC, so while I like keyboard shortcuts, I don't like to be forced to use them ;) the TabletPC is a case i hadn't considered. a solution may be to have the cursor change to a resize graphic when the pointer is within 3 pixels of the window edge. this would also make it more apparent for those transitioning from other windowing environments. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. On Mar 21, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: ..on or around Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 01:00:22PM -0500, xl cheese said: There was a bug opened a while back about it being hard to resize the window as it currently is design. There was a suggestion to make a transparent border that was thicker so it would be easier. I think that bug was closed and labeled not a bug. With the new metacity supporting transparancy I wonder it it would be possible to create a metacity with a thicker edge that was fully transparent? it seems strange to me that the borders of windows would be made thicker /all the time/ just so they could make better click targets when someone needs to resize. why not just use a keyboard bind? hold down ALT when near an edge or corner to resize. if within range (4 pixels) the cursor changes to a resize cursor. it works with my current window manager just fine. GNOME should do it too and free up those precious pixels - a lesson in K.I.S.S. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Is is not possible to have a wider window border appear when your mouse hovers near the edge of the window or would this not be possible with current GTK/Meatacity themes? solar.george On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:36:44 -0700 Sumit Agarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is somewhat true, but wouldn't at least the titlebar edges remain grab-able? It also begs a question I personally have been wondering for some time: is it possible to force GNOME to draw a resizer in the corner on all windows, including those lacking a status- bar? -Sumit On Mar 21, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Cory K. wrote: Sumit Agarwal wrote: I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course that necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows. I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). -Sumit Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows properly. A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being able to grab the corners. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Thanks... I'll change the style of the scrollbars... The only problem is, that I'm working very hard at some other projects now... And the problem with non-gtk apps... I really don't know how to fix it... I'll contact the devels of the projects... Sebastian Am Dienstag, den 18.03.2008, 09:50 -0500 schrieb Daniel Sargeant: Thanks for the help; gtk_compile.sh worked. I neglected to run configure the first try, just ran make and make install. I really like how the menus and tabs have a consistent look. I also like that the scrollbars have good visibility and that gtk color choosing is integrated into the theme. The subtle gradients in the buttons and progress bars are nice as well, but don't match the glossy look of the scrollbar. You're probably aware of this, but the menus aren't unified in non-gtk apps like Firefox, and the top-left pixel is missing. Also, default shadows in Compiz and Metacity's compositor create a shodow across the top of the menu, spoiling the unified look. I noticed in the screen shot you configured compiz to render the shadow below the top of windows, which works well. Metacity's compositing doesn't allow for that configuration, however. Thanks for the hard work! Daniel On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:27 AM, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try using the gtk_compile.sh... I really don't know... Absolute paths? I didn't change any paths. And they should be overwritten when running configure... Are you shure that it exited without errors? cheers Sebastian Am Montag, den 17.03.2008, 21:46 -0500 schrieb Daniel Sargeant: I like the menus in the screenshot. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to install it. Your Makefile seems to contain absolute paths to /home/stein/Desktop. Have you thought about trying to use Launchpad's PPA to package the engine? -Daniel On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I saw this on gnome look a while back. Would be a nice finishing touch to your theme! http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Union+Limited?content=74770 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:36:38 +0100Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk Thanks...I'll change the style of the scrollbars... The only problem is, that I'm working very hard at some other projects now...And the problem with non-gtk apps... I really don't know how to fix it... I'll contact the devels of the projects...SebastianAm Dienstag, den 18.03.2008, 09:50 -0500 schrieb Daniel Sargeant: Thanks for the help; gtk_compile.sh worked. I neglected to run configure the first try, just ran make and make install. I really like how the menus and tabs have a consistent look. I also like that the scrollbars have good visibility and that gtk color choosing is integrated into the theme. The subtle gradients in the buttons and progress bars are nice as well, but don't match the glossy look of the scrollbar. You're probably aware of this, but the menus aren't unified in non-gtk apps like Firefox, and the top-left pixel is missing. Also, default shadows in Compiz and Metacity's compositor create a shodow across the top of the menu, spoiling the unified look. I noticed in the screen shot you configured compiz to render the shadow below the top of windows, which works well. Metacity's compositing doesn't allow for that configuration, however. Thanks for the hard work!Daniel On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:27 AM, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try using the gtk_compile.sh...I really don't know... Absolute paths? I didn't change any paths.And they should be overwritten when running configure...Are you shure that it exited without errors?cheers SebastianAm Montag, den 17.03.2008, 21:46 -0500 schrieb Daniel Sargeant: I like the menus in the screenshot. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to install it. Your Makefile seems to contain absolute paths to /home/stein/Desktop. Have you thought about trying to use Launchpad's PPA to package the engine?-DanielOn Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops... sorry.!Here with the right subject!_Hi there!Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine.My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages:I. Bugfixes:In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly.II. New features:1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now.2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this...3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed.4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded.You can download the stuff here:http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gzYou can read more about it (screenshot...) here:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlookscheers SebastianP. S.: My modem is working now again... --ubuntu-art mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art --ubuntu-art mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I like the menus in the screenshot. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to install it. Your Makefile seems to contain absolute paths to /home/stein/Desktop. Have you thought about trying to use Launchpad's PPAhttps://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStartto package the engine? -Daniel On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
