Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
2008/7/8 Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Brian Fleeger wrote: Actually, since it would be hosted by Canonical as opposed to Gnome, this would not be a fork. Gnome gets used by many distros, but only Canonical would want to control their unique user experience. Therefore it would only be appropriate for such a feature to be Ubuntu-specific, i.e. down-stream. Incorrect. If the idea is to add things (a button or what have you) to an app for users to click on that's a code fork. Staying as close to upstream is always the name of the game. Have you perhaps heard about patching? Patches can even be applied upstream if you engage the maintainers with patches and beers. So; write a generic interface for a webservice in a stand-alone app (or tweak an existing one) and have an integration patch included in gnome-appearance-applet upstream. While not done in an hour it should not be rocket science. Perhaps one ought to look at what Capuchin could bring to the equation: http://capuchin.k-d-w.org/ Cheers, Mikkel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
another way could be an application developed by canonical itself. already exist a software called 'gnome-art', not more manteined, that uses art.gnome.org archives, and a new application, called 'gnome-art NG', that is a work on progress, still lacking some features but already usable. note that those software not only mangage backgrounds but can also browse and install themes and gnome splash screen (i know that ubuntu removed the gnome splash screen, but it should be useful to provide the users a way to simply re-enabling it). if such an application could be installed by default, also grand-mothers will be informed that an application called, for example,'download wallpapers and themes' exist, simply opening the settings menu(or preferences, i don't remember the english definition for that menu, sorry ;-) ). canonical could create an 'ubuntu-look.org' or 'art.ubuntu.com' site as proposed in this thread simply duplicating the art.gnome.org site and slightly modifing the 'gnome-art' app. may be too much efforts for the results, but i think this way there will be no fork from gnome apps and all the user will know about it. ciao :) Max -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:04 AM, Brian Fleeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This is an idea I had to provide users with more alternate wallpapers without influencing the install CD's footprint. If this is too off-topic for an art-team posting, please let me know and direct me to where this idea does belong. At least it is tangentially related to Ubuntu's art experience. In addition to providing a couple extra default alternate wallpapers, Canonical could host a special wallpaper repository the same way it does with synaptic and install/uninstall. Scenario: Grandma May is using her Ubuntu for the first time and wants to change the wallpaper. She right clicks the desktop, sees change wallpaper, and clicks through. After seeing there are only 4 or 5 alternates (I am still optimistic), she notices the Get More Ubuntu Wallpapers button in the bottom right-hand corner of the nautilus window. (if granny didn't have an internet connection, the box would be grayed out and unclickable) She clicks it and is connected to a repository of pre-selected Ubuntu art works. In the repo, she sees small icons, and can mouse-over/single click to see larger previews. After checking the boxes for the wallpapers she wants, Grammy clicks Install Wallpapers and is done. Users could happily choose from hundreds of specially chosen backgrounds which have been selected for their color/composition to go well with the new Ubuntu default theme, instead of googling for hours for free wallpapers. Backgrounds could be arranged by topic, with options like Select All Nature Wallpapers, etc. Canonical could thereby 1) redefine the user experience, 2) gain more control over Ubuntu's aesthetic appeal, and 3) streamline the CD install image all in one swoop. Is this a good idea/something that could be passed on to relevent parties? -Brian Fleeger A very similar tool used to exist in universe - it gave nice friendly access to all themes, wallpapers, lsplashes etc on art.gnome.org - maybe it still does? http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/ Not maintained, but there is a potential successor. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
Who wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:04 AM, Brian Fleeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This is an idea I had to provide users with more alternate wallpapers without influencing the install CD's footprint. If this is too off-topic for an art-team posting, please let me know and direct me to where this idea does belong. At least it is tangentially related to Ubuntu's art experience. In addition to providing a couple extra default alternate wallpapers, Canonical could host a special wallpaper repository the same way it does with synaptic and install/uninstall. Scenario: Grandma May is using her Ubuntu for the first time and wants to change the wallpaper. She right clicks the desktop, sees change wallpaper, and clicks through. After seeing there are only 4 or 5 alternates (I am still optimistic), she notices the Get More Ubuntu Wallpapers button in the bottom right-hand corner of the nautilus window. (if granny didn't have an internet connection, the box would be grayed out and unclickable) She clicks it and is connected to a repository of pre-selected Ubuntu art works. In the repo, she sees small icons, and can mouse-over/single click to see larger previews. After checking the boxes for the wallpapers she wants, Grammy clicks Install Wallpapers and is done. Users could happily choose from hundreds of specially chosen backgrounds which have been selected for their color/composition to go well with the new Ubuntu default theme, instead of googling for hours for free wallpapers. Backgrounds could be arranged by topic, with options like Select All Nature Wallpapers, etc. Canonical could thereby 1) redefine the user experience, 2) gain more control over Ubuntu's aesthetic appeal, and 3) streamline the CD install image all in one swoop. Is this a good idea/something that could be passed on to relevent parties? -Brian Fleeger A very similar tool used to exist in universe - it gave nice friendly access to all themes, wallpapers, lsplashes etc on art.gnome.org - maybe it still does? http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/ Not maintained, but there is a potential successor. Potential if it can be made to use GNOME/Ubuntu-look. GNOME-Art is just about dead. :( -Cory -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
Potential if it can be made to use GNOME/Ubuntu-look. GNOME-Art is just about dead. :( -Cory Gnome Art is not dead. It is incredibly active. I dont know for wallpapers, but its one of the best places for everything else. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
Salane Ashcraft wrote: Potential if it can be made to use GNOME/Ubuntu-look. GNOME-Art is just about dead. :( -Cory Gnome Art is not dead. It is incredibly active. I dont know for wallpapers, but its one of the best places for everything else. Really? * Last Metacity theme: 10 October 2007 * Last Icon set: 6 November 2007 * Last GTK: 22 December 2007 * Last GDM: 6 November 2007 Wallpapers are actually the latest thing. GNOME-Art is dead. -Cory -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip A very similar tool used to exist in universe - it gave nice friendly access to all themes, wallpapers, lsplashes etc on art.gnome.org - maybe it still does? http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/ Not maintained, but there is a potential successor. Potential if it can be made to use GNOME/Ubuntu-look. GNOME-Art is just about dead. :( Wouldn't this rather bring it back from the brink? Also, it is true that there's a lot of nice stuff already there - the 'signal to noise' ratio on Gnome Art always seemed higher than on Gnome Look... But yea, I see your point - would be better if it worked somehow else... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
Really? * Last Metacity theme: 10 October 2007 * Last Icon set: 6 November 2007 * Last GTK: 22 December 2007 * Last GDM: 6 November 2007 Wallpapers are actually the latest thing. GNOME-Art is dead. Oh you meant Gnome-art- I for some reason thought you were talking about Gnome-look. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
From: Max [EMAIL PROTECTED] canonical could create an 'ubuntu-look.org' or 'art.ubuntu.com' site as proposed in this thread simply duplicating the art.gnome.org site and slightly modifing the 'gnome-art' app. _ From: Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.comSent: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 There's no reason this would have to be an Ubuntu specific feature. I would suggest contributing the idea to upstream and make it easy to dictate how it downloads additional themes and wallpapers. Therefore it would not be a fork, it would be an Ubuntu community contribution. Suse users would benefit because suse could reconfigure it to download themes from their selected list. Likewise if a cross-desktop initiative worked with the system (like gnome look) then multiple locations could be incorporated. By the way, there is a program like this already, it's just not integrated with the appearance applet. I downloaded it from synaptic and used it to install themes directly from some central place (art.gnome). It's not very easy to use though. It's called gnome-art 0.2. With some polish and a little integration with the appearance applet it could be a nice solution. _ That's a great idea! Further, if it can be done in the nautilus wallpapers window, the same tool could be used in the nautilus themes/icons/fonts/etc windows to download other related content directly from the web w/o having to go searching. It would be great for all GNOME-based distributions, and only the wallpaper part might download from a special Ubuntu-defined sub-category of the main gnome site. To any Canonical employees on this list-serve -- is this something that you would be willing/able to push upstream for inclusion into GNOME? Thank you, Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
I LOVE the idea...Awesome!!! On 7/7/08, Brian Fleeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This is an idea I had to provide users with more alternate wallpapers without influencing the install CD's footprint. If this is too off-topic for an art-team posting, please let me know and direct me to where this idea does belong. At least it is tangentially related to Ubuntu's art experience. In addition to providing a couple extra default alternate wallpapers, Canonical could host a special wallpaper repository the same way it does with synaptic and install/uninstall. Scenario: Grandma May is using her Ubuntu for the first time and wants to change the wallpaper. She right clicks the desktop, sees change wallpaper, and clicks through. After seeing there are only 4 or 5 alternates (I am still optimistic), she notices the Get More Ubuntu Wallpapers button in the bottom right-hand corner of the nautilus window. (if granny didn't have an internet connection, the box would be grayed out and unclickable) She clicks it and is connected to a repository of pre-selected Ubuntu art works. In the repo, she sees small icons, and can mouse-over/single click to see larger previews. After checking the boxes for the wallpapers she wants, Grammy clicks Install Wallpapers and is done. Users could happily choose from hundreds of specially chosen backgrounds which have been selected for their color/composition to go well with the new Ubuntu default theme, instead of googling for hours for free wallpapers. Backgrounds could be arranged by topic, with options like Select All Nature Wallpapers, etc. Canonical could thereby 1) redefine the user experience, 2) gain more control over Ubuntu's aesthetic appeal, and 3) streamline the CD install image all in one swoop. Is this a good idea/something that could be passed on to relevent parties? -Brian Fleeger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
Sent from my iPod On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Brian Fleeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This is an idea I had to provide users with more alternate wallpapers without influencing the install CD's footprint. If this is too off-topic for an art-team posting, please let me know and direct me to where this idea does belong. At least it is tangentially related to Ubuntu's art experience. In addition to providing a couple extra default alternate wallpapers, Canonical could host a special wallpaper repository the same way it does with synaptic and install/uninstall. Scenario: Grandma May is using her Ubuntu for the first time and wants to change the wallpaper. She right clicks the desktop, sees change wallpaper, and clicks through. After seeing there are only 4 or 5 alternates (I am still optimistic), she notices the Get More Ubuntu Wallpapers button in the bottom right-hand corner of the nautilus window. (if granny didn't have an internet connection, the box would be grayed out and unclickable) She clicks it and is connected to a repository of pre-selected Ubuntu art works. In the repo, she sees small icons, and can mouse-over/single click to see larger previews. After checking the boxes for the wallpapers she wants, Grammy clicks Install Wallpapers and is done. Users could happily choose from hundreds of specially chosen backgrounds which have been selected for their color/composition to go well with the new Ubuntu default theme, instead of googling for hours for free wallpapers. Backgrounds could be arranged by topic, with options like Select All Nature Wallpapers, etc. Canonical could thereby 1) redefine the user experience, 2) gain more control over Ubuntu's aesthetic appeal, and 3) streamline the CD install image all in one swoop. Is this a good idea/something that could be passed on to relevent parties? -Brian Fleeger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Yes! Yes! Yes! There needs to be a button for themes as well though Shadowh511-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
What everyone doesn't think about is that this is forking app X that you want to put this feature in. Further adding to technical maintenance. Best to change the wallpapers in the current package and/or provide another add-on package that can be grabbed through the repos. -Cory -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
- Original Message From: Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 11:27:43 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements What everyone doesn't think about is that this is forking app X that you want to put this feature in. Further adding to technical maintenance. Best to change the wallpapers in the current package and/or provide another add-on package that can be grabbed through the repos. -Cory Actually, since it would be hosted by Canonical as opposed to Gnome, this would not be a fork. Gnome gets used by many distros, but only Canonical would want to control their unique user experience. Therefore it would only be appropriate for such a feature to be Ubuntu-specific, i.e. down-stream. -Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
Actually, since it would be hosted by Canonical as opposed to Gnome, this would not be a fork. Gnome gets used by many distros, but only Canonical would want to control their unique user experience. Therefore it would only be appropriate for such a feature to be Ubuntu-specific, i.e. down-stream. -Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Ubuntu usually doesn't like to do things like this. This is a bad thing to focus on. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
Sent from my iPod On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:58 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Fleeger wrote: Actually, since it would be hosted by Canonical as opposed to Gnome, this would not be a fork. Gnome gets used by many distros, but only Canonical would want to control their unique user experience. Therefore it would only be appropriate for such a feature to be Ubuntu-specific, i.e. down-stream. Incorrect. If the idea is to add things (a button or what have you) to an app for users to click on that's a code fork. Staying as close to upstream is always the name of the game. A add-om package in the repos is the way to go. Trick is, letting people know about it. -Cory -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Which is why we need a first boot wizard -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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Shadowh511 wrote: Which is why we need a first boot wizard. haha. There's more chance of Mark giving me all his money than that happening. Search around on this topic. There's alot of info. -Cory -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
- Original Message From: Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] A add-om package in the repos is the way to go. Trick is, letting people know about it. Doesn't the add-on pack route expect users to have a-priori knowledge of how to use Ubuntu and Linux in general? Further, add-on packs make it sound a little too close to Ubuntu SP1. It also defeats the whole idea of user selected content (since it would be an all or nothing pack) -- and the user would not know what he/she is getting in advance, even if they did know to look for it. The interesting part of my idea is that it would really enhance the user experience to be able to browse and choose exactly what you want from a selection where EVERYTHING is guaranteed to look beautiful. It would be an opportunity to win user mindshare. Its just an idea though, and I don't take it personally if you like it or not -- just something for you to consider. If anyone does think it is worth passing along, please do so. Regards, Brian Fleeger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Brian Fleeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The interesting part of my idea is that it would really enhance the user experience to be able to browse and choose exactly what you want from a selection where EVERYTHING is guaranteed to look beautiful. It would be an opportunity to win user mindshare. Its just an idea though, and I don't take it personally if you like it or not -- just something for you to consider. If anyone does think it is worth passing along, please do so. Regards, Brian Fleeger I think Grandma May is going to want pics of her grand-kids, weirdly stretched out or tiled across her screen. :) As for the rest of the users, there's a whole everlasting gobstopper of imagery out there which they've been using for a long time: DeviantArt, Flickr, Wikimedia, National Geographic, Sports Illustrated, endless numbers of high-quality graphic design sites like pixelgirlpresents.com, image search engines ...the entire internet is a gallery. I think it is always going to be easier to grab some art that way, than a button linking to more art or an add-on pack, and I think most people *want* to find things their own way. They enjoy the process. A few good solid images, a default to introduce/celebrate the release, and I think Ubuntu is good to go. I understand the appeal of the idea, but I don't think it will be a good use of resources spending time maintaining a reservoir of beautiful art...it'd take a long time just to get people to agree on what beautiful is...which would be going in the direction of letting users vote for art...which is just the same as allowing everything...which gets you back to using the internet as a resource to begin with. I don't think Ubuntu's payoff would be worth the effort. People like what they like. They know where to get it or how to look for it. Whether it is pics of the kids, their favorite celebrity, or some swirly gradient grunge design. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
