Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex and 4th Anniversary ideas for a t-shirt

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Monday 13 October 2008 05:08:00 Mauricio Hernandez Z. wrote:
> > Cool. Did you get Canonical permission to use the logo/name? Do you plan
> > on selling these? If you didn't, I would drop them a line.
> > http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy As this is a "community
> > effort" there shouldn't be an issue, but it's still not license to do
> > whatever with the logo.
> >
> > -Cory K.
>
> good point, Cory, thanks for reminding me of that policy.
>
> It was my mistake. By default, I thought that being an Ubuntu Member
> it was permitted to use Ubuntu logo and name in order to better
> achieve "evangelizing"  and spreading the word. Everywhere I give a
> talk, or go training people about Ubuntu takes effort and money -as
> you already know :). So printing CDs, DVDs, Flyers, prints-outs, and
> T-shirts is also something expensive but also useful because I can
> give some of them away and sell the rest. Of course, I use the
> "earnings" (if any...most of the time there is almost little to cover
> the expenses only) to keep on the road, evangelizing.
>
> I will write Canonical about this, of course.

I'll try to find out what I can from my colleagues and get back to you on 
this.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex and 4th Anniversary ideas for a t-shirt

[Mauricio Hernandez Z.]

>
> Sure. Like I said, I don't think it will be an issue. It's just good to
> give them a heads up on stuff like this. Mostly if you're going to sell
> them.

right, roger that, Captain :) I think it will all be ok but it's lot
better to double check.

there's now a happy email on trademarks at ubuntu dot com inbox

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex and 4th Anniversary ideas for a t-shirt

[Cory K.]

Mauricio Hernandez Z. wrote:
> good point, Cory, thanks for reminding me of that policy.
>
> It was my mistake. By default, I thought that being an Ubuntu Member
> it was permitted to use Ubuntu logo and name in order to better
> achieve "evangelizing"  and spreading the word. Everywhere I give a
> talk, or go training people about Ubuntu takes effort and money -as
> you already know :). So printing CDs, DVDs, Flyers, prints-outs, and
> T-shirts is also something expensive but also useful because I can
> give some of them away and sell the rest. Of course, I use the
> "earnings" (if any...most of the time there is almost little to cover
> the expenses only) to keep on the road, evangelizing.
>
> I will write Canonical about this, of course.
>   

Sure. Like I said, I don't think it will be an issue. It's just good to
give them a heads up on stuff like this. Mostly if you're going to sell
them.

-Cory K.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex and 4th Anniversary ideas for a t-shirt

[Mauricio Hernandez Z.]

> Cool. Did you get Canonical permission to use the logo/name? Do you plan
> on selling these? If you didn't, I would drop them a line.
> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy As this is a "community
> effort" there shouldn't be an issue, but it's still not license to do
> whatever with the logo.
>
> -Cory K.

good point, Cory, thanks for reminding me of that policy.

It was my mistake. By default, I thought that being an Ubuntu Member
it was permitted to use Ubuntu logo and name in order to better
achieve "evangelizing"  and spreading the word. Everywhere I give a
talk, or go training people about Ubuntu takes effort and money -as
you already know :). So printing CDs, DVDs, Flyers, prints-outs, and
T-shirts is also something expensive but also useful because I can
give some of them away and sell the rest. Of course, I use the
"earnings" (if any...most of the time there is almost little to cover
the expenses only) to keep on the road, evangelizing.

I will write Canonical about this, of course.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex and 4th Anniversary ideas for a t-shirt

[Cory K.]

Mauricio Hernandez Z. wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Mauricio Hernandez Z. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   
>> I have decided to go printing some t-shirts. I wish I had better
>> abilities using Inkscape and/or Gimp but I guess this will work for
>> t-shirt purposes, since "transfer" only works with plain colors, no
>> effects.
>> 
>
> So, I got my t-shirts printed and here's a pic:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MauricioHernandez/SomeIdeas/IntrepidAnniversaryTshirts
>   

Cool. Did you get Canonical permission to use the logo/name? Do you plan
on selling these? If you didn't, I would drop them a line.
http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy As this is a "community
effort" there shouldn't be an issue, but it's still not license to do
whatever with the logo.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex and 4th Anniversary ideas for a t-shirt

[Mauricio Hernandez Z.]

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Mauricio Hernandez Z. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have decided to go printing some t-shirts. I wish I had better
> abilities using Inkscape and/or Gimp but I guess this will work for
> t-shirt purposes, since "transfer" only works with plain colors, no
> effects.
>

So, I got my t-shirts printed and here's a pic:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MauricioHernandez/SomeIdeas/IntrepidAnniversaryTshirts

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[George Kendros]

I think more widgets need to be shown. I can't judge a GTK theme that shows
no GTK widgets.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Vadim Peretokin]

I kind of missed this discussion on rounded windows.. why aren't they
possible? I have such a theme that does them right now.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Conor Schaefer]

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Julian Oliver wrote:
> ..on or around Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:38:30PM -0400 Joshua Booth wrote:
>> This is the kind of thing Ubuntu needs to start making. The new Ibex theme
>> is hideous and almost unusable for non-native applications, and and I
>> disliked the last theme too.
>>
>>
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/215/e/1/Interpid_Ibex_Mockup_Part_1_by_willwill100.png
>
> IMO the panel in the above mockup looks quite washed-out. who agrees
> translucent panels look a little milky somehow? what material is the
> panel and the window title supposed to be made of, polyethylene? why are
> they transparent, what use does it serve other than proving it's
> possible?
>
> that said i think the yellow tabs and notifiers are better in the above
> mockup than seen elsewhere, offset nicely by the grey-brown.
>
> overall, where that Ibex mockup lacks in vibrance it makes up in class,
> save the dock at the bottom, which is simply unimaginative.
>
> my 2 bytes,
I agree that it's washed out, yes. But personally I have my top panel
100% transparent. I do this because I like to have striking background
images and I don't want a top panel to disrupt that. Perhaps that's
probably more of a KDE-appropriate mentality, but hey, I have a thing
for GNOME!

I will throw in my vote that I find this mockup gorgeous. The rounded
corners might have technical limitations but that's going to be a hard
sell with newbies. This groundbreaking OS Linux doesn't have a window
manager that can round corners on windows? Right-angle corners will
look pretty Redmond, era 98.

Conor
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Julian Oliver]

..on or around Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:38:30PM -0400 Joshua Booth wrote: 
> This is the kind of thing Ubuntu needs to start making. The new Ibex theme
> is hideous and almost unusable for non-native applications, and and I
> disliked the last theme too.
> 
> http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/215/e/1/Interpid_Ibex_Mockup_Part_1_by_willwill100.png

IMO the panel in the above mockup looks quite washed-out. who agrees
translucent panels look a little milky somehow? what material is the
panel and the window title supposed to be made of, polyethylene? why are
they transparent, what use does it serve other than proving it's
possible? 

that said i think the yellow tabs and notifiers are better in the above
mockup than seen elsewhere, offset nicely by the grey-brown. 

overall, where that Ibex mockup lacks in vibrance it makes up in class,
save the dock at the bottom, which is simply unimaginative. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Joshua Booth]

To me the rounded edges aren't an issue at all in the long run. If the
developers could get something remotely like that theme it would be a vast
improvement.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Vadim Peretokin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Joshua Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Someone made a flesh-and-bone GDM theme based off of the mock-up, and it
>> has a rounded corner, too:
>> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Intrepid+Ibex+GDM?content=86712
>>
>
>
> Now that is a totally different story!
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Vadim Peretokin]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Joshua Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Someone made a flesh-and-bone GDM theme based off of the mock-up, and it
> has a rounded corner, too:
> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Intrepid+Ibex+GDM?content=86712
>


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Dylan McCall]

> Someone made a flesh-and-bone GDM theme based off of the mock-up, and it has
> a rounded corner, too:
> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Intrepid+Ibex+GDM?content=86712
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Dylan McCall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> The GDM mockup that guy made has a striking resemblance to New Wave,
>> so this may not be as far off as we assume. One issue with the mockup
>> is that it is hoping for rounded corners at the bottom of windows, but
>> there is no border to acomodate this. That can be overcome by having a
>> thicker bottom border, which is a good idea anyway for easily resizing
>> the window.
>>
>> Forcing a round corner without adding a Metacity window border to
>> accommodate it (if it was possible within today's infrastructure,
>> which I do not believe is so) would need to cut off actual content. We
>> don't want that. MPlayer users, for example, would kill us.
>>
>> Ideally, I think window decoration themes should be superceded by GTK
>> container widgets, which may afford us some interesting control along
>> these lines. Until then - if that is even possible or remotely
>> desirable, which is iffy - ... it wouldn't be looking like the mockup.
>>
>> I think the colour scheme is pretty decent, though, and I appreciate
>> that this mockup keeps the actual software intact. There are some nice
>> ideas in here :)
>> Oh, cool background, too. And that wifi icon is actually useful; it
>> takes the extra step of actually using an antenna to describe what the
>> signal strength bars represent, which is Really Important yet
>> strangely never done. (Even in those operating systems that spend
>> millions on usability testing).
>>
>> Bye,
>> -Dylan
>>
>> PS: *Sniff* *Sniff* I smell HTML!

Oops, I totally misorganized my thoughts there. When I mention "the
mockup" with rounded borders, I mean the one with a full desktop, not
the GDM mockup. In fact, I only meant the GDM mockup when I was
mentioning New Wave, then completely forgot about it :/

Sorry!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Joshua Booth]

Someone made a flesh-and-bone GDM theme based off of the mock-up, and it has
a rounded corner, too:
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Intrepid+Ibex+GDM?content=86712

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Dylan McCall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The GDM mockup that guy made has a striking resemblance to New Wave,
> so this may not be as far off as we assume. One issue with the mockup
> is that it is hoping for rounded corners at the bottom of windows, but
> there is no border to acomodate this. That can be overcome by having a
> thicker bottom border, which is a good idea anyway for easily resizing
> the window.
>
> Forcing a round corner without adding a Metacity window border to
> accommodate it (if it was possible within today's infrastructure,
> which I do not believe is so) would need to cut off actual content. We
> don't want that. MPlayer users, for example, would kill us.
>
> Ideally, I think window decoration themes should be superceded by GTK
> container widgets, which may afford us some interesting control along
> these lines. Until then - if that is even possible or remotely
> desirable, which is iffy - ... it wouldn't be looking like the mockup.
>
> I think the colour scheme is pretty decent, though, and I appreciate
> that this mockup keeps the actual software intact. There are some nice
> ideas in here :)
> Oh, cool background, too. And that wifi icon is actually useful; it
> takes the extra step of actually using an antenna to describe what the
> signal strength bars represent, which is Really Important yet
> strangely never done. (Even in those operating systems that spend
> millions on usability testing).
>
> Bye,
> -Dylan
>
> PS: *Sniff* *Sniff* I smell HTML!
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Dylan McCall]

The GDM mockup that guy made has a striking resemblance to New Wave,
so this may not be as far off as we assume. One issue with the mockup
is that it is hoping for rounded corners at the bottom of windows, but
there is no border to acomodate this. That can be overcome by having a
thicker bottom border, which is a good idea anyway for easily resizing
the window.

Forcing a round corner without adding a Metacity window border to
accommodate it (if it was possible within today's infrastructure,
which I do not believe is so) would need to cut off actual content. We
don't want that. MPlayer users, for example, would kill us.

Ideally, I think window decoration themes should be superceded by GTK
container widgets, which may afford us some interesting control along
these lines. Until then - if that is even possible or remotely
desirable, which is iffy - ... it wouldn't be looking like the mockup.

I think the colour scheme is pretty decent, though, and I appreciate
that this mockup keeps the actual software intact. There are some nice
ideas in here :)
Oh, cool background, too. And that wifi icon is actually useful; it
takes the extra step of actually using an antenna to describe what the
signal strength bars represent, which is Really Important yet
strangely never done. (Even in those operating systems that spend
millions on usability testing).

Bye,
-Dylan

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Vadim Peretokin]

I like it too. Now just to have the real thing to test, not a mockup :)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Joshua Booth]

To me this looks much more modern and usable than the current Ibex theme in
the making. So I like it.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Caputo, Luke A SPC RES USAR <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Joshua Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008 14:39
> Subject: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme
> To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
>
> > This is
> the kind of thing Ubuntu needs to start making. The new Ibex theme is
> hideous and almost unusable for non-native applications, and and I disliked
> the last theme too.
>  
> http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/215/e/1/Interpid_Ibex_Mockup_Part_1_by_willwill100.png";
> target="1">> 
> http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/215/e/1/Interpid_Ibex_Mockup_Part_1_by_willwill100.png
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> that classy wooden theme is extremely beautiful... im not sure if you
> disapprove of it or love it, but this theme definitely takes the cake for me
> :)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Caputo, Luke A SPC RES USAR]

- Original Message -
From: Joshua Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008 14:39
Subject: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme
To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com

> This is the 
kind of thing Ubuntu needs to start making. The new Ibex theme is hideous and 
almost unusable for non-native applications, and and I disliked the last theme 
too.
 
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/215/e/1/Interpid_Ibex_Mockup_Part_1_by_willwill100.png";
 target="1">> 
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/215/e/1/Interpid_Ibex_Mockup_Part_1_by_willwill100.png
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that classy wooden theme is extremely beautiful... im not sure if you 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Theme

[Vadim Peretokin]

It's known, thanks. That is just a mockup, so unless there's a real thing
that the author can show, it doesn't help much...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Art Wiki Pages

[Salane Ashcraft]

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:24 PM, AA Boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM, AA Boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> With regards to icons, Shuttleworth wanted us to start with the folder
>> >> icon, and create a new look based off of the human theme. So yes, we
>> >> are staying with the orange/brown look.
>> >>  Icons:
>> >>
>> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_Icons_-_Art_Team
>> >
>> > So are we keeping just the human folder icon and building off of that,
>> > or
>> > keeping the orange/brown color scheme and building a new theme from
>> > that? If
>> > the former, I think it would be hard to make new icons since the current
>> > ones are so ingrained in ubuntu that they would only look like mods of
>> > the
>> > current one. If the latter, then I think that the Discovery icons would
>> > be a
>> > good base to go off of.
>> >
>> > Smartboy
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>>
>> Mark was pretty insistent that we build off of the current ones. I
>> think that if you replace colors with more brown, but still some
>> orange, and with less gloss and more smooth gradients, we can retain
>> the look while updating it enough so it looks modern.
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> Since that is the case, I think an update to the wiki would be in order, as
> you don't explain in the wiki that you should use the current Human icons.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Art Wiki Pages

[AA Boy]

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM, AA Boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> With regards to icons, Shuttleworth wanted us to start with the folder
> >> icon, and create a new look based off of the human theme. So yes, we
> >> are staying with the orange/brown look.
> >>  Icons:
> >>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_Icons_-_Art_Team
> >
> > So are we keeping just the human folder icon and building off of that, or
> > keeping the orange/brown color scheme and building a new theme from that?
> If
> > the former, I think it would be hard to make new icons since the current
> > ones are so ingrained in ubuntu that they would only look like mods of
> the
> > current one. If the latter, then I think that the Discovery icons would
> be a
> > good base to go off of.
> >
> > Smartboy
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>
> Mark was pretty insistent that we build off of the current ones. I
> think that if you replace colors with more brown, but still some
> orange, and with less gloss and more smooth gradients, we can retain
> the look while updating it enough so it looks modern.
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Since that is the case, I think an update to the wiki would be in order, as
you don't explain in the wiki that you should use the current Human icons.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Art Wiki Pages

[Salane Ashcraft]

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM, AA Boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> With regards to icons, Shuttleworth wanted us to start with the folder
>> icon, and create a new look based off of the human theme. So yes, we
>> are staying with the orange/brown look.
>>  Icons:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_Icons_-_Art_Team
>
> So are we keeping just the human folder icon and building off of that, or
> keeping the orange/brown color scheme and building a new theme from that? If
> the former, I think it would be hard to make new icons since the current
> ones are so ingrained in ubuntu that they would only look like mods of the
> current one. If the latter, then I think that the Discovery icons would be a
> good base to go off of.
>
> Smartboy
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex Art Wiki Pages

[AA Boy]

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> With regards to icons, Shuttleworth wanted us to start with the folder
> icon, and create a new look based off of the human theme. So yes, we
> are staying with the orange/brown look.
>  Icons:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_Icons_-_Art_Team
>

So are we keeping just the human folder icon and building off of that, or
keeping the orange/brown color scheme and building a new theme from that? If
the former, I think it would be hard to make new icons since the current
ones are so ingrained in ubuntu that they would only look like mods of the
current one. If the latter, then I think that the Discovery icons would be a
good base to go off of.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[shadowh511]

ok, i agree, we need to move ahead

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Sumit Agarwal <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Cory K. wrote:
>
> > shadowh511 wrote:
> >> but on low-power systems, SVG takes a long time to render
> >
> > We really need to move somewhat away from catering to the lowest
> > common
> > denominator. Let Xubuntu and or Fluxbuntu worry more about these
> > things.
> >
>
> Agreed!
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Sumit Agarwal]

On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Cory K. wrote:

> shadowh511 wrote:
>> but on low-power systems, SVG takes a long time to render
>
> We really need to move somewhat away from catering to the lowest  
> common
> denominator. Let Xubuntu and or Fluxbuntu worry more about these  
> things.
>

Agreed!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Dylan McCall]

Okay, really sorry to do this folks, but I am going to nearly duplicate
something I have just written; I managed to write to the wrong thread...

Here is a Wikipedia article on the classical elements, which may feed
some ideas...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element

Personally, I think the Chinese Wu Xing stuff would be the most
interesting here, since it feels more tactile. It is suggested to poke
at elements of human life, and I think the Chinese system works great
for that. The Greek elements seem to explain inanimate objects in an
effort to "understand the universe", while the Chinese phases are
focused more on philosophy, life and interaction at the human level.

That, and the Greek elements are plain over-used ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Xing

Some thoughts:

-Wu Xing has some interesting description of how certain phases interact
with each other. Perhaps the wallpapers corresponding to those phases
could have others quietly blended in. For example, I can picture a
forest scene for wood (nature) with a metal scene (a city) in the
background...
-Simply drawing pictures of the elements or phases as they literally
appear seems rather simplistic to me. Look at, for example, how fire
interacts with all the other elements! I bet some neat stuff could be
created out of that.
-It could be cool to mix artistic styles. Fire, again, could be
interesting with a more abstract brush than what Metal may immediately
inspire. (Although I keep linking metal to electricity over here...)


Regarding time lapsed backgrounds: Is there a particular reason why
these can't just define a little Python script that chooses when to
change the wallpaper? The current thing seems rather inflexible, which
would make sense if the time control stuff was exposed to the user, but
does not make an awful lot of sense here.

Anyway, I think I would sooner die than see a window manager handle a
wallpaper slideshow on its own. Compiz plugins have their place, and it
is not there; fancy accelerated graphics can happen wherever they
please, and a window manager should do just that: Manage windows. Having
said that, it could maybe be done more smoothly by stacking windows and
changing their opacity, but that still sounds quite ugly. The "Pictures
folder" screensaver seems to do transitions pretty well on even my
rather weak computers, so maybe stuff could be borrowed from there...

Bye,
-Dylan

On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 23:40 +0200, Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
> I've updated the wiki page. Now there is a section where we should  
> post everything that can be inspiring.
> 
> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Elements
> 
> 
> El 28/04/2008, a las 23:27, Cory K. escribió:
> 
> > shadowh511 wrote:
> >> Cory K. wrote:
> >>
> >>shadowh511 wrote:
> >>> take a look, and be sure to post comments.
> >>>
> >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Elements
> >>
> >>I'd put on the page that this is being done independent or
> >>regardless of
> >>what Ubuntu does by default. Just so others who visit the page are
> >>clear
> >>about it.
> >>
> >>I'm sure as things move on the "powers that be" will look at  
> >> them and
> >>will tell kwwii "Hey. We like that." or not. Then it's up to you  
> >> guys
> >>whether or not you want to continue to take suggestions to  
> >> refine for
> >>Ubuntu or continue on your own direction.
> >>
> >>I'll gladly package up what comes out of this if enough parts are
> >>there.
> >>
> >>
> >> can i have a link to how to make gtk themes (windows borders and  
> >> whatnot)
> >
> > Only if you remember to bottom post next time. :P It *really* makes
> > things hard to follow. Especially in active threads.
> >
> > But seriously, do anything you want to the page. I just thought it  
> > would
> > be good to put the note about working "independent". I ain't nobody in
> > the end. Do what ya like. :P
> >
> > -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Peter Mayhew]

I see. I'm working on putting some of my things there right now.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

I've updated the wiki page. Now there is a section where we should  
post everything that can be inspiring.

http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Elements


El 28/04/2008, a las 23:27, Cory K. escribió:

> shadowh511 wrote:
>> Cory K. wrote:
>>
>>shadowh511 wrote:
>>> take a look, and be sure to post comments.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Elements
>>
>>I'd put on the page that this is being done independent or
>>regardless of
>>what Ubuntu does by default. Just so others who visit the page are
>>clear
>>about it.
>>
>>I'm sure as things move on the "powers that be" will look at  
>> them and
>>will tell kwwii "Hey. We like that." or not. Then it's up to you  
>> guys
>>whether or not you want to continue to take suggestions to  
>> refine for
>>Ubuntu or continue on your own direction.
>>
>>I'll gladly package up what comes out of this if enough parts are
>>there.
>>
>>
>> can i have a link to how to make gtk themes (windows borders and  
>> whatnot)
>
> Only if you remember to bottom post next time. :P It *really* makes
> things hard to follow. Especially in active threads.
>
> But seriously, do anything you want to the page. I just thought it  
> would
> be good to put the note about working "independent". I ain't nobody in
> the end. Do what ya like. :P
>
> -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Cory K.]

shadowh511 wrote:
> Cory K. wrote:
>
> shadowh511 wrote:
> > take a look, and be sure to post comments.
> >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Elements
>
> I'd put on the page that this is being done independent or
> regardless of
> what Ubuntu does by default. Just so others who visit the page are
> clear
> about it.
>
> I'm sure as things move on the "powers that be" will look at them and
> will tell kwwii "Hey. We like that." or not. Then it's up to you guys
> whether or not you want to continue to take suggestions to refine for
> Ubuntu or continue on your own direction.
>
> I'll gladly package up what comes out of this if enough parts are
> there.
>
>  
> can i have a link to how to make gtk themes (windows borders and whatnot)

Only if you remember to bottom post next time. :P It *really* makes
things hard to follow. Especially in active threads.

But seriously, do anything you want to the page. I just thought it would
be good to put the note about working "independent". I ain't nobody in
the end. Do what ya like. :P

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

Great idea!! I will create a "inspiration" section, if you're not  
agree, feel free to remove it ;)

El 28/04/2008, a las 23:16, shadowh511 escribió:

can i have a link to how to make gtk themes (windows borders and  
whatnot)


On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
shadowh511 wrote:
> take a look, and be sure to post comments.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Elements

I'd put on the page that this is being done independent or  
regardless of
what Ubuntu does by default. Just so others who visit the page are  
clear

about it.

I'm sure as things move on the "powers that be" will look at them and
will tell kwwii "Hey. We like that." or not. Then it's up to you guys
whether or not you want to continue to take suggestions to refine for
Ubuntu or continue on your own direction.

I'll gladly package up what comes out of this if enough parts are  
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[shadowh511]

can i have a link to how to make gtk themes (windows borders and whatnot)

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> shadowh511 wrote:
> > take a look, and be sure to post comments.
> >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Elements
>
> I'd put on the page that this is being done independent or regardless of
> what Ubuntu does by default. Just so others who visit the page are clear
> about it.
>
> I'm sure as things move on the "powers that be" will look at them and
> will tell kwwii "Hey. We like that." or not. Then it's up to you guys
> whether or not you want to continue to take suggestions to refine for
> Ubuntu or continue on your own direction.
>
> I'll gladly package up what comes out of this if enough parts are there.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Cory K.]

shadowh511 wrote:
> take a look, and be sure to post comments.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Elements

I'd put on the page that this is being done independent or regardless of
what Ubuntu does by default. Just so others who visit the page are clear
about it.

I'm sure as things move on the "powers that be" will look at them and
will tell kwwii "Hey. We like that." or not. Then it's up to you guys
whether or not you want to continue to take suggestions to refine for
Ubuntu or continue on your own direction.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[shadowh511]

take a look, and be sure to post comments.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Elements

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:37 PM, sylvain marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Werry good proposition... I hope it was possible to do that.
>
> 2008/4/28 François Degrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > It think this is a good idea to start with:
> >
> >  Attached: 444K sized zip file with PNGs included.
> > >
> > > The visual style I have mentioned is called 'Elements' and it has 4
> > > variations - Fire (the one you can see in the link), Water, Air and Earth.
> > >
> > > Fire - Orange, the default visual style
> > > Water - Blue
> > > Air - Grey
> > > Earth - Green
> > >
> > > We have Human Looks now. Imagine from Intrepid, we call our theme
> > > "Human Elements". From the different themes I have seen based on Murrine 
> > > and
> > > Clearlooks, this appears possible.
> > >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > François
> >
> >
> >
> >  Hi all !
> > >
> > > While everybody is enjoying the new Hardy Heron, I'd like to remember
> > > the list what we set previously, the new theme for Intrepid Ibex. It's 
> > > been
> > > two releases since we don't produce anything, lot of talk, no actions, and
> > > now it's time to realize something solid, consistent, to fit the hope of a
> > > beautiful new theme. Now where should we start ? For the moment, as the 
> > > list
> > > hasn't been very active, there's nothing really defined, so what I suggest
> > > is a meeting very soon on IRC, to discuss about this hard task.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Steph.
> > >
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[sylvain marc]

Werry good proposition... I hope it was possible to do that.

2008/4/28 François Degrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi!
>
> It think this is a good idea to start with:
>
>  Attached: 444K sized zip file with PNGs included.
> >
> > The visual style I have mentioned is called 'Elements' and it has 4
> > variations - Fire (the one you can see in the link), Water, Air and Earth.
> >
> > Fire - Orange, the default visual style
> > Water - Blue
> > Air - Grey
> > Earth - Green
> >
> > We have Human Looks now. Imagine from Intrepid, we call our theme "Human
> > Elements". From the different themes I have seen based on Murrine and
> > Clearlooks, this appears possible.
> >
> Cheers,
>
> François
>
>
>
>  Hi all !
> >
> > While everybody is enjoying the new Hardy Heron, I'd like to remember
> > the list what we set previously, the new theme for Intrepid Ibex. It's been
> > two releases since we don't produce anything, lot of talk, no actions, and
> > now it's time to realize something solid, consistent, to fit the hope of a
> > beautiful new theme. Now where should we start ? For the moment, as the list
> > hasn't been very active, there's nothing really defined, so what I suggest
> > is a meeting very soon on IRC, to discuss about this hard task.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Steph.
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[sylvain marc]

Good idea Steph...

2008/4/28 Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi all !
>
> While everybody is enjoying the new Hardy Heron, I'd like to remember the
> list what we set previously, the new theme for Intrepid Ibex. It's been two
> releases since we don't produce anything, lot of talk, no actions, and now
> it's time to realize something solid, consistent, to fit the hope of a
> beautiful new theme. Now where should we start ? For the moment, as the list
> hasn't been very active, there's nothing really defined, so what I suggest
> is a meeting very soon on IRC, to discuss about this hard task.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steph.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

Hi everyone!

It seems that we're going to work and create something different for  
Intrepid, so we should work not to create a lot of mockups, first we  
have to create some guidelines. I don't know how to make a poll (and I  
don't know if this is what we should do) but if all the artwork team  
are agree with making 4 themes (air, earth, fire and water) we should  
discuss it and everyone should be agree with that.


So please, we must make this discussion useful. Maybe doing some  
brainstorming (for guidelines) and then voting can be a great way to  
take decisions (I'm sure Troy has something to say about this).


In my opinion, the best that we can do is put our ideas here: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Brainstorming
and then decide which direction is going to take Intrepid artwork.



El 28/04/2008, a las 22:01, shadowh511 escribió:




On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Peter Mayhew  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Good evening, everyone. One major problem I have had with some  
versions of Ubuntu is that the desktop backgrounds don't work well  
with widescreen monitors; since manufacturers have discovered that  
it's cheaper to make these, they are becoming much more common.  
Attached are 5,690 KB of high resolution photographs and backgrounds  
made for Ubuntu- both widescreen and traditional (for Air, Water,  
and City). If anybody can find any use for any of these, just take  
them.



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You didn't attach the backround images,

There is an option for you to be able to make wide screen backrounds  
work on normal monitors, i think its zoom.  It makes the image fit  
on both 4:3 and 16:9 monitors.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Cory K.]

shadowh511 wrote:
> but on low-power systems, SVG takes a long time to render

We really need to move somewhat away from catering to the lowest common
denominator. Let Xubuntu and or Fluxbuntu worry more about these things.

Though, as far as shipping .SVGs goes, I think it was kwwii that was
telling me about some rendering bug with using .SVG as walls. That's
what I would worry about. I can't remember. Maybe he can chime in.

For the here and now I would say create walls @ 2560x1600 (16:10) and
try to compose with 4:3 in mind. Hacky, but the best we got. This is the
way Ubuntu Studio approaches the wallpapers it ships.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Anton Kerezov]

I think it can as Inkscape may use bitmaps in it. I also agree that svg
is far more superior than any bitmap but I'm not sure if the slideshow
feature could use them. When I have more time I'll test it and create an
example "live" background.

Anton


В 13:09 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Sumit Agarwal написа:
> Where raster content is desired (textures, etc), can bitmap data be
> embedded within an SVG?
> 
> 
> -Sumit
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Seth Woodworth wrote:
> 
> > Strike the png idea.  Vectors are far superior.  PNG is ridiculous,
> > and lossy.
> > 
> > I also feel that this could be implemented with relatively low
> > overhead just be editing the xml of th SVG or changing backround
> > every X seconds.  But that would be a far less interesting
> > implementation.
> > 
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > Hello everyone.
> > 
> > Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :)
> > So let this
> > be our FIRST GOAL:
> > 
> >1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop
> > with natural
> > elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly
> > represents this
> > idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be
> > available at
> > the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a
> > copy of his
> > work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging
> > it should be
> > available.
> > 
> > I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal
> > because if there
> > is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can
> > integrate
> > weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well
> > (proposed by Dana).
> > I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this
> > myself :(
> > 
> > After we create acceptable "live" background we should go
> > and pursue our
> > SECOND GOAL:
> > 
> >2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme
> > that clearly
> > represents the Ubuntu spirit.
> > 
> > Not perfect example for 2:
> > http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Any further discussions and and recommendations are always
> > welcome :)
> > 
> > Anton
> > 
> > В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа:
> > 
> > > Anton Kerezov wrote:
> > > > Hi Seth
> > > >
> > > > I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had
> > also proposed
> > > > the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but
> > there was little
> > > > interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen
> > and I'm sure it
> > > > will be the best improvement we can make towards an
> > interface that feel
> > > > more human. So is there anyone else who would like to
> > help?
> > > >
> > > > Excuse my English.
> > > >
> > > > Anton
> > > >
> > >
> > > I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first
> > saw it in
> > > Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to
> > see the same
> > > feature in Ubuntu.  It turns out that the XML slideshow
> > wallpaper
> > > feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it
> > exists in Gnome
> > > 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any
> > artwork using it.
> > > However, this feature is static, in that it responds only
> > to time
> > > changes, and not to season or weather changes.
> > >
> > > If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few
> > results:
> > > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow
> > +Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
> > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue
> > +(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289
> > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling
> > +(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293
> > > -- note: this one is more of an example of "what not to
> > do!"
> > > Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work
> > decently well with
> > > these XML files.
> > >
> > > This feature can be very cool if done right, but it
> > definitely needs
> > > good artwork to go with it.
> > >
> > > I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using
> > the iGoogle
> > > 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it
> > can be, and
> > > shows how odd things can lo

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[shadowh511]

but on low-power systems, SVG takes a long time to render

2008/4/28 Seth Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Yes, it can be embeded.  And frankly, unless you have some awesome
> textures, they aren't going to scale well to extremely large monitors or
> wide screens IMO.  SVG's deal with wide screens far better, because they
> will be full resolution irregardless.
>
> 2008/4/28 Sumit Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Where raster content is desired (textures, etc), can bitmap data be
> > embedded within an SVG?
> >
> > -Sumit
> >
> >
> > On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Seth Woodworth wrote:
> >
> > Strike the png idea.  Vectors are far superior.  PNG is ridiculous, and
> > lossy.
> >
> > I also feel that this could be implemented with relatively low overhead
> > just be editing the xml of th SVG or changing backround every X seconds.
> > But that would be a far less interesting implementation.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello everyone.
> > >
> > > Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let
> > > this
> > > be our FIRST GOAL:
> > >
> > >1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with
> > > natural
> > > elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this
> > > idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at
> > > the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his
> > > work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should
> > > be
> > > available.
> > >
> > > I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there
> > > is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate
> > > weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by
> > > Dana).
> > > I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :(
> > >
> > > After we create acceptable "live" background we should go and pursue
> > > our
> > > SECOND GOAL:
> > >
> > >2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that
> > > clearly
> > > represents the Ubuntu spirit.
> > >
> > > Not perfect example for 2:
> > > http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :)
> > >
> > > Anton
> > >
> > > В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа:
> > > > Anton Kerezov wrote:
> > > > > Hi Seth
> > > > >
> > > > > I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also
> > > proposed
> > > > > the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was
> > > little
> > > > > interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm
> > > sure it
> > > > > will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that
> > > feel
> > > > > more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help?
> > > > >
> > > > > Excuse my English.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anton
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in
> > > > Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same
> > > > feature in Ubuntu.  It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper
> > > > feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in
> > > Gnome
> > > > 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using
> > > it.
> > > > However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time
> > > > changes, and not to season or weather changes.
> > > >
> > > > If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results:
> > > >
> > > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
> > > >
> > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289
> > > >
> > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293
> > > > -- note: this one is more of an example of "what not to do!"
> > > > Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well
> > > with
> > > > these XML files.
> > > >
> > > > This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs
> > > > good artwork to go with it.
> > > >
> > > > I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the
> > > iGoogle
> > > > 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be,
> > > and
> > > > shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the
> > > images.
> > > > I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths,
> > > and
> > > > needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will
> > > be
> > > > /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml .
> > >
> > >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Seth Woodworth]

Yes, it can be embeded.  And frankly, unless you have some awesome textures,
they aren't going to scale well to extremely large monitors or wide screens
IMO.  SVG's deal with wide screens far better, because they will be full
resolution irregardless.

2008/4/28 Sumit Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Where raster content is desired (textures, etc), can bitmap data be
> embedded within an SVG?
>
> -Sumit
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Seth Woodworth wrote:
>
> Strike the png idea.  Vectors are far superior.  PNG is ridiculous, and
> lossy.
>
> I also feel that this could be implemented with relatively low overhead
> just be editing the xml of th SVG or changing backround every X seconds.
> But that would be a far less interesting implementation.
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone.
> >
> > Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let this
> > be our FIRST GOAL:
> >
> >1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural
> > elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this
> > idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at
> > the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his
> > work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should be
> > available.
> >
> > I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there
> > is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate
> > weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by Dana).
> > I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :(
> >
> > After we create acceptable "live" background we should go and pursue our
> > SECOND GOAL:
> >
> >2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly
> > represents the Ubuntu spirit.
> >
> > Not perfect example for 2:
> > http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700
> >
> >
> >
> > Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :)
> >
> > Anton
> >
> > В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа:
> > > Anton Kerezov wrote:
> > > > Hi Seth
> > > >
> > > > I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also
> > proposed
> > > > the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was
> > little
> > > > interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure
> > it
> > > > will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that
> > feel
> > > > more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help?
> > > >
> > > > Excuse my English.
> > > >
> > > > Anton
> > > >
> > >
> > > I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in
> > > Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same
> > > feature in Ubuntu.  It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper
> > > feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in
> > Gnome
> > > 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it.
> > > However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time
> > > changes, and not to season or weather changes.
> > >
> > > If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results:
> > >
> > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
> > >
> > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289
> > >
> > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293
> > > -- note: this one is more of an example of "what not to do!"
> > > Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well
> > with
> > > these XML files.
> > >
> > > This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs
> > > good artwork to go with it.
> > >
> > > I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle
> > > 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and
> > > shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images.
> > > I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths,
> > and
> > > needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be
> > > /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml .
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Sumit Agarwal]

Where raster content is desired (textures, etc), can bitmap data be  
embedded within an SVG?


-Sumit


On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Seth Woodworth wrote:

Strike the png idea.  Vectors are far superior.  PNG is ridiculous,  
and lossy.


I also feel that this could be implemented with relatively low  
overhead just be editing the xml of th SVG or changing backround  
every X seconds.  But that would be a far less interesting  
implementation.


On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

Hello everyone.

Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let  
this

be our FIRST GOAL:

   1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with  
natural

elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this
idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at
the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his
work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should  
be

available.

I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there
is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate
weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by  
Dana).

I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :(

After we create acceptable "live" background we should go and pursue  
our

SECOND GOAL:

   2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that  
clearly

represents the Ubuntu spirit.

Not perfect example for 2:
http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700



Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :)

Anton

В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа:
> Anton Kerezov wrote:
> > Hi Seth
> >
> > I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also  
proposed
> > the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there  
was little
> > interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm  
sure it
> > will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface  
that feel

> > more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help?
> >
> > Excuse my English.
> >
> > Anton
> >
>
> I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in
> Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same
> feature in Ubuntu.  It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper
> feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in  
Gnome
> 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using  
it.

> However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time
> changes, and not to season or weather changes.
>
> If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results:
> 
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
> 
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289
> 
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293
> -- note: this one is more of an example of "what not to do!"
> Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well  
with

> these XML files.
>
> This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs
> good artwork to go with it.
>
> I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the  
iGoogle
> 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be,  
and
> shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the  
images.
> I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded  
paths, and
> needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file  
will be

> /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml .


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Cory K.]

shadowh511 wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Peter Mayhew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
>  Good evening, everyone. One major problem I have had with some
> versions of Ubuntu is that the desktop backgrounds don't work well
> with widescreen monitors; since manufacturers have discovered that
> it's cheaper to make these, they are becoming much more common.
> Attached are 5,690 KB of high resolution photographs and
> backgrounds made for Ubuntu- both widescreen and traditional (for
> Air, Water, and City). If anybody can find any use for any of
> these, just take them.
>
>
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>
> You didn't attach the backround images,
>
> There is an option for you to be able to make wide screen backrounds
> work on normal monitors, i think its zoom.  It makes the image fit on
> both 4:3 and 16:9 monitors.

"Zoom" is correct in that it keeps the correct aspect but it's currently
broken as it shifts things to one side and crops everything from one
side instead of off of both.

Some may argue that for composition this is hacky but it's our best
solution for now as long as disk space is an issue and we can't ship
multiple walls for various aspects.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Seth Woodworth]

Strike the png idea.  Vectors are far superior.  PNG is ridiculous, and
lossy.

I also feel that this could be implemented with relatively low overhead just
be editing the xml of th SVG or changing backround every X seconds.  But
that would be a far less interesting implementation.

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello everyone.
>
> Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let this
> be our FIRST GOAL:
>
>1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural
> elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this
> idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at
> the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his
> work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should be
> available.
>
> I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there
> is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate
> weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by Dana).
> I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :(
>
> After we create acceptable "live" background we should go and pursue our
> SECOND GOAL:
>
>2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly
> represents the Ubuntu spirit.
>
> Not perfect example for 2:
> http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700
>
>
>
> Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :)
>
> Anton
>
> В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа:
> > Anton Kerezov wrote:
> > > Hi Seth
> > >
> > > I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also proposed
> > > the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was
> little
> > > interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure
> it
> > > will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that
> feel
> > > more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help?
> > >
> > > Excuse my English.
> > >
> > > Anton
> > >
> >
> > I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in
> > Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same
> > feature in Ubuntu.  It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper
> > feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome
> > 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it.
> > However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time
> > changes, and not to season or weather changes.
> >
> > If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results:
> >
> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
> >
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289
> >
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293
> > -- note: this one is more of an example of "what not to do!"
> > Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with
> > these XML files.
> >
> > This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs
> > good artwork to go with it.
> >
> > I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle
> > 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and
> > shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images.
> > I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and
> > needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be
> > /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml .
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[shadowh511]

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Peter Mayhew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  Good evening, everyone. One major problem I have had with some versions
> of Ubuntu is that the desktop backgrounds don't work well with widescreen
> monitors; since manufacturers have discovered that it's cheaper to make
> these, they are becoming much more common. Attached are 5,690 KB of high
> resolution photographs and backgrounds made for Ubuntu- both widescreen and
> traditional (for Air, Water, and City). If anybody can find any use for any
> of these, just take them.
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You didn't attach the backround images,

There is an option for you to be able to make wide screen backrounds work on
normal monitors, i think its zoom.  It makes the image fit on both 4:3 and
16:9 monitors.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Peter Mayhew]

 Good evening, everyone. One major problem I have had with some versions of
Ubuntu is that the desktop backgrounds don't work well with widescreen
monitors; since manufacturers have discovered that it's cheaper to make
these, they are becoming much more common. Attached are 5,690 KB of high
resolution photographs and backgrounds made for Ubuntu- both widescreen and
traditional (for Air, Water, and City). If anybody can find any use for any
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[shadowh511]

I agree, we need a few small groups that are our "theme teams" and we use
this email list for either general discussion or announcements
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Cory K.]

Sumit Agarwal wrote:
>>> To 'rephrase' and add some of my own thoughts:
>>>
>>> -ISSUE - theme not eye-pleasing enough
>>> -IDEA - create aeshetically-pleasing theme
>>> -CON - idea too vague
>>> -IDEA - large-area UI elements should be color-neutral. This would
>>> put greater visual importance and weight on application *content*
>>> rather than the application/desktop UI
>>> -ISSUE - UI controls such as scrollbars, max/min/close/etc can 
>>> get
>>> visually 'lost'
>>> IDEA - keep main theme elements such as 
>>> dialogue/application
>>> backgrounds, menubars, and possibly titlebars color-neutral, but give
>>> scrollbars and buttons strong colors (Ubuntu colors? Orange?) so that
>>> they visually stand-out.
>>> -IDEA - theme must clearly represent Ubuntu spirit
>>> -ISSUE - we need to better define 'Ubuntu spirit' visually. First,
>>> what does 'Ubuntu spirit' even mean? A sense of compassion? A sense  
>>> of
>>> ease? What are generally-accepted techniques for visually  
>>> representing
>>> these ideas? Does it mean warm colors? Does it mean a satin-look?
>>>
>>> Is anyone up for building up an Ubuntu-art wiki around this type of
>>> ISSUE/IDEA/PRO/CON organization? Should be easy to use in the  
>>> existing
>>> wiki.
>>>
>>> -Sumit
>>>   
>> Honestly, best thing is to start the idea yourself and pull in like
>> minded people once your idea is framed up.
>>
>> -Cory \m/
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>
> I strongly disagree. That is perfectly fine for the broader 'grown'  
> Linux community, but Ubuntu seeks to set itself apart by presenting  
> itself as a *planned* unified product for the non-enthusiast community.
>
> The Linux tradition of individual freedom and creativity is a great  
> strength. But sometimes a project just calls out for more of a BSD- 
> like structure. Ubuntu is such a project. Its not surprising that the  
> open-source end-user applications to garner the greatest mainstream  
> user-base, Firefox and OpenOffice, follow the same ethos. They  
> identify issues, brainstorm solutions, and then pursue improvements in  
> a highly-structured method. With Firefox 3 they did not simply decide  
> to make it 'prettier'. They decided the browser must more-cleanly  
> integrate into its host OS. They identified key solutions to this  
> (skin the buttons to reflect the in-built browsers on Windows, Vista,  
> and OS X, allow a 'unified' titlebar/application button area on OS X,  
> etc), and then they went ahead and did it.
>
> There are innumerable Linux distributions that are essentially a  
> collection of cool programs/hacks put together by a freeform  
> community. And that's great! But if Ubuntu is just going to be another  
> one of those, then there isn't a real *point* to Ubuntu.
>
> Ubuntu is meant for everyone. Such a lofty goal requires some serious  
> planning.
>
> -Sumit
>   

Uh... I'm only guessing that's meant toward me. I really don't see how
what you posted is different or outside what I said. I think you might
be bringing some personal issues into what I said.

There's no reason why you can't create a wiki page with the basic
structure there (like you have already done) and have people work from
there.


Here's where I'll bring in my "personal issues". ;) The vast majority of
people don't care about working together on Ubuntu art.

Most want to do their own thing and get mad when they are asked to
refine things. (note I said "most") You'll never get everyone to agree
on this. So IMO it's best to fins a few like-minded people and work on
your own complete vision. I've said many times now I'll be happy to
package complete ideas up. Maybe even a "community" pack with odds and ends.

Personally, I would stop trying to steer the main Ubuntu art and work
with a small group. Otherwise, one has to know that if you're trying to
submit things for official inclusion that you are subject to alot of
factors. Main one being if the powers that be like it or not. Second, if
you're the type of person who can handle constantly refining things
'till said powers do like it. Most people can't be bothered and therefor
the Art team really isnt a team because IMO most people here can't/won't
_really_ work together. So I advocate small teams to work on complete
themes.

Something like: http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/640-1.png would
surely get noticed.

-Cory \m/

PS: Please bottom post from now on. With long posts like yours things
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Sumit Agarwal]

I strongly disagree. That is perfectly fine for the broader 'grown'  
Linux community, but Ubuntu seeks to set itself apart by presenting  
itself as a *planned* unified product for the non-enthusiast community.

The Linux tradition of individual freedom and creativity is a great  
strength. But sometimes a project just calls out for more of a BSD- 
like structure. Ubuntu is such a project. Its not surprising that the  
open-source end-user applications to garner the greatest mainstream  
user-base, Firefox and OpenOffice, follow the same ethos. They  
identify issues, brainstorm solutions, and then pursue improvements in  
a highly-structured method. With Firefox 3 they did not simply decide  
to make it 'prettier'. They decided the browser must more-cleanly  
integrate into its host OS. They identified key solutions to this  
(skin the buttons to reflect the in-built browsers on Windows, Vista,  
and OS X, allow a 'unified' titlebar/application button area on OS X,  
etc), and then they went ahead and did it.

There are innumerable Linux distributions that are essentially a  
collection of cool programs/hacks put together by a freeform  
community. And that's great! But if Ubuntu is just going to be another  
one of those, then there isn't a real *point* to Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is meant for everyone. Such a lofty goal requires some serious  
planning.

-Sumit


On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Cory K. wrote:

> Sumit Agarwal wrote:
>> To 'rephrase' and add some of my own thoughts:
>>
>> -ISSUE - theme not eye-pleasing enough
>>  -IDEA - create aeshetically-pleasing theme
>>  -CON - idea too vague
>>  -IDEA - large-area UI elements should be color-neutral. This would
>> put greater visual importance and weight on application *content*
>> rather than the application/desktop UI
>>  -ISSUE - UI controls such as scrollbars, max/min/close/etc can 
>> get
>> visually 'lost'
>>  IDEA - keep main theme elements such as 
>> dialogue/application
>> backgrounds, menubars, and possibly titlebars color-neutral, but give
>> scrollbars and buttons strong colors (Ubuntu colors? Orange?) so that
>> they visually stand-out.
>> -IDEA - theme must clearly represent Ubuntu spirit
>>  -ISSUE - we need to better define 'Ubuntu spirit' visually. First,
>> what does 'Ubuntu spirit' even mean? A sense of compassion? A sense  
>> of
>> ease? What are generally-accepted techniques for visually  
>> representing
>> these ideas? Does it mean warm colors? Does it mean a satin-look?
>>
>> Is anyone up for building up an Ubuntu-art wiki around this type of
>> ISSUE/IDEA/PRO/CON organization? Should be easy to use in the  
>> existing
>> wiki.
>>
>> -Sumit
>
> Honestly, best thing is to start the idea yourself and pull in like
> minded people once your idea is framed up.
>
> -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Cory K.]

Sumit Agarwal wrote:
> To 'rephrase' and add some of my own thoughts:
>
> -ISSUE - theme not eye-pleasing enough
>   -IDEA - create aeshetically-pleasing theme
>   -CON - idea too vague
>   -IDEA - large-area UI elements should be color-neutral. This would  
> put greater visual importance and weight on application *content*  
> rather than the application/desktop UI
>   -ISSUE - UI controls such as scrollbars, max/min/close/etc can 
> get  
> visually 'lost'
>   IDEA - keep main theme elements such as 
> dialogue/application  
> backgrounds, menubars, and possibly titlebars color-neutral, but give  
> scrollbars and buttons strong colors (Ubuntu colors? Orange?) so that  
> they visually stand-out.
> -IDEA - theme must clearly represent Ubuntu spirit
>   -ISSUE - we need to better define 'Ubuntu spirit' visually. First,  
> what does 'Ubuntu spirit' even mean? A sense of compassion? A sense of  
> ease? What are generally-accepted techniques for visually representing  
> these ideas? Does it mean warm colors? Does it mean a satin-look?
>
> Is anyone up for building up an Ubuntu-art wiki around this type of  
> ISSUE/IDEA/PRO/CON organization? Should be easy to use in the existing  
> wiki.
>
> -Sumit

Honestly, best thing is to start the idea yourself and pull in like
minded people once your idea is framed up.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Sumit Agarwal]

To 'rephrase' and add some of my own thoughts:

-ISSUE - theme not eye-pleasing enough
-IDEA - create aeshetically-pleasing theme
-CON - idea too vague
-IDEA - large-area UI elements should be color-neutral. This would  
put greater visual importance and weight on application *content*  
rather than the application/desktop UI
-ISSUE - UI controls such as scrollbars, max/min/close/etc can 
get  
visually 'lost'
IDEA - keep main theme elements such as 
dialogue/application  
backgrounds, menubars, and possibly titlebars color-neutral, but give  
scrollbars and buttons strong colors (Ubuntu colors? Orange?) so that  
they visually stand-out.
-IDEA - theme must clearly represent Ubuntu spirit
-ISSUE - we need to better define 'Ubuntu spirit' visually. First,  
what does 'Ubuntu spirit' even mean? A sense of compassion? A sense of  
ease? What are generally-accepted techniques for visually representing  
these ideas? Does it mean warm colors? Does it mean a satin-look?

Is anyone up for building up an Ubuntu-art wiki around this type of  
ISSUE/IDEA/PRO/CON organization? Should be easy to use in the existing  
wiki.

-Sumit


On Apr 28, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov wrote:

> Hello everyone.
>
> Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let  
> this
> be our FIRST GOAL:
>
>   1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural
> elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this
> idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at
> the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his
> work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should  
> be
> available.
>
> I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there
> is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate
> weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by  
> Dana).
> I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :(
>
> After we create acceptable "live" background we should go and pursue  
> our
> SECOND GOAL:
>
>   2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly
> represents the Ubuntu spirit.
>
> Not perfect example for 2:
> http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700
>
>
>
> Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :)
>
> Anton
>
> В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа:
>> Anton Kerezov wrote:
>>> Hi Seth
>>>
>>> I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also  
>>> proposed
>>> the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was  
>>> little
>>> interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm  
>>> sure it
>>> will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that  
>>> feel
>>> more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help?
>>>
>>> Excuse my English.
>>>
>>> Anton
>>>
>>
>> I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in
>> Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same
>> feature in Ubuntu.  It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper
>> feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in  
>> Gnome
>> 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it.
>> However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time
>> changes, and not to season or weather changes.
>>
>> If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results:
>> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
>> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289
>> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293
>> -- note: this one is more of an example of "what not to do!"
>> Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well  
>> with
>> these XML files.
>>
>> This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs
>> good artwork to go with it.
>>
>> I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle
>> 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be,  
>> and
>> shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images.
>> I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded  
>> paths, and
>> needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will  
>> be
>> /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml .
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Cory K.]

Sumit Agarwal wrote:
> For this idea to work well it would need to utilize a compositing UI  
> engine. Its probably best to just wait a bit until that end of things  
> is more standardized. In this respect, OS's like Mac with its  
> CoreImage/Quartz/etc have an advantage with a sort of enforced  
> standardized way of doing such stuff.
>
> So basically, smoothly-transitioned slideshow backgrounds would need  
> to be a Compiz plug-in. This doesn't seem too difficult, and compiz is  
> now preinstalled in Ubuntu (am I correct?).
>
> -Sumit

Correct, but this would mean Compiz would then need to take over
handling the desktop from Nautilus. A feat I would gather that would be
a bit of work. Something the art-nerds on this list won't do in any
case. ;) I guess we're all free to submit a patch.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Anton Kerezov]

Hello everyone.

Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let this
be our FIRST GOAL:

1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural
elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this
idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at
the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his
work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should be
available.

I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there
is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate
weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by Dana).
I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :(

After we create acceptable "live" background we should go and pursue our
SECOND GOAL:

2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly
represents the Ubuntu spirit.
 
Not perfect example for 2:
http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700



Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :)
   
Anton

В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа:
> Anton Kerezov wrote:
> > Hi Seth
> > 
> > I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also proposed
> > the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was little
> > interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure it
> > will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that feel
> > more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help?
> > 
> > Excuse my English.
> > 
> > Anton
> > 
> 
> I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in 
> Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same 
> feature in Ubuntu.  It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper 
> feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome 
> 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. 
> However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time 
> changes, and not to season or weather changes.
> 
> If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results:
> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293
>  
> -- note: this one is more of an example of "what not to do!"
> Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with 
> these XML files.
> 
> This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs 
> good artwork to go with it.
> 
> I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle 
> 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and 
> shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images.
> I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and 
> needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be 
> /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml .


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Sumit Agarwal]

For this idea to work well it would need to utilize a compositing UI  
engine. Its probably best to just wait a bit until that end of things  
is more standardized. In this respect, OS's like Mac with its  
CoreImage/Quartz/etc have an advantage with a sort of enforced  
standardized way of doing such stuff.

So basically, smoothly-transitioned slideshow backgrounds would need  
to be a Compiz plug-in. This doesn't seem too difficult, and compiz is  
now preinstalled in Ubuntu (am I correct?).

-Sumit


On Apr 28, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Cory K. wrote:

> Dana Goyette wrote:
>> I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in
>> Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same
>> feature in Ubuntu.  It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper
>> feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in
>> Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork
>> using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only  
>> to
>> time changes, and not to season or weather changes.
>>
>> If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results:
>> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
>>
>> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289
>>
>> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293
>> -- note: this one is more of an example of "what not to do!"
>> Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well
>> with these XML files.
>>
>> This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs
>> good artwork to go with it.
>>
>> I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle
>> 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be,  
>> and
>> shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images.
>> I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths,
>> and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file
>> will be /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml .
>
> ATM, this feature doesn't work well at all. It's totally CPU driven  
> and
> on every box I've tried it on the transition is bad. Usually ticky.  
> Like
> a *real* low frame-rate. Various resolutions, right up to a dual- 
> core box.
>
> Also there's some issue where the fade or transition time can't be set
> below 15seconds or so.
>
> To be done by default I think the feature needs work.
>
> -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Dana Goyette]

Cory K. wrote:
> 
> ATM, this feature doesn't work well at all. It's totally CPU driven and
> on every box I've tried it on the transition is bad. Usually ticky. Like
> a *real* low frame-rate. Various resolutions, right up to a dual-core box.
> 
> Also there's some issue where the fade or transition time can't be set
> below 15seconds or so.
> 
> To be done by default I think the feature needs work.
> 
> -Cory \m/
> 

I dug around in the source of the libgnome-desktop-2 package, and found 
this:
 From gnome-bg.c, line 1065-1066:
 /* Maybe the number of steps should be configurable? */
 timeout = slide->duration / 255.0;

For a 2 hour transition, that works out to about 28 seconds.  For a 
5-hour transition, as in the Fedora Infinity wallpaper, it is roughly 71 
seconds.

I would love this feature, but it definitely does need improvement. The 
feature also needs to become 'discoverable' before being included by 
default.
It'd be even better if we could make it respond to local conditions, as 
in this idea: 
http://www.tranism.com/weblog/archives/2006/11/os_x_atmosphere.html


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Sumit Agarwal]

Hold on here. I *really* think we're going about this the wrong way. I  
think we should have a moratorium on mock-ups that don't target  
specific design issues present in Hardy (these can be aesthetic or  
functional).

Lets identify target goals and specific UI improvements, and then  
create mock-ups directed at that.

-Sumit


On Apr 28, 2008, at 12:47 AM, François Degrave wrote:

> Hi!
>
> It think this is a good idea to start with:
>
>> Attached: 444K sized zip file with PNGs included.
>>
>> The visual style I have mentioned is called 'Elements' and it has 4  
>> variations - Fire (the one you can see in the link), Water, Air and  
>> Earth.
>>
>> Fire - Orange, the default visual style
>> Water - Blue
>> Air - Grey
>> Earth - Green
>>
>> We have Human Looks now. Imagine from Intrepid, we call our theme  
>> "Human Elements". From the different themes I have seen based on  
>> Murrine and Clearlooks, this appears possible.
> Cheers,
>
> François
>
>
>> Hi all !
>>
>> While everybody is enjoying the new Hardy Heron, I'd like to  
>> remember the list what we set previously, the new theme for  
>> Intrepid Ibex. It's been two releases since we don't produce  
>> anything, lot of talk, no actions, and now it's time to realize  
>> something solid, consistent, to fit the hope of a beautiful new  
>> theme. Now where should we start ? For the moment, as the list  
>> hasn't been very active, there's nothing really defined, so what I  
>> suggest is a meeting very soon on IRC, to discuss about this hard  
>> task.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Steph.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[shadowh511]

hmm, are the video cards in the systems recent?
I also use windows vista, and the dreamscene thing dosen't use any cpu time,
only gpu time.

the slide slow thing also works fine for me in kde and e17 (using their
native tools)

i think you need a GPU in order to get the full joy out of animated
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)

[Cory K.]

Dana Goyette wrote:
> I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in
> Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same
> feature in Ubuntu.  It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper
> feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in
> Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork
> using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to
> time changes, and not to season or weather changes.
>
> If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results:
> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
>
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289
>
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293
> -- note: this one is more of an example of "what not to do!"
> Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well
> with these XML files.
>
> This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs
> good artwork to go with it.
>
> I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle
> 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and
> shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images.
> I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths,
> and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file
> will be /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml .

ATM, this feature doesn't work well at all. It's totally CPU driven and
on every box I've tried it on the transition is bad. Usually ticky. Like
a *real* low frame-rate. Various resolutions, right up to a dual-core box.

Also there's some issue where the fade or transition time can't be set
below 15seconds or so.

To be done by default I think the feature needs work.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[shadowh511]

Then, if at least 6 of us agree, then we can make a theme team.  Maybe we
can start with wallpapers for different elements, then make colored themes
for each one. (AA Boy, read that last sentence twice)
shadowh511

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Jesper Lundgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> As a spin to the Human elments there could instead be Human environments,
> creating a small pack of themes with inspirations from the rainfores, desert
> or maybe a city, just a thought.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[François Degrave]

Hi Anton,


I think you are right from A to Z, and I also think that most of those 
problems could be solved if we used adapted tools to track new ideas, 
requests, new creations, etc. like a forum and a blueprints page.

For now, we should just pick a general goal which looks promising and 
work all together on this only goal. It's the only way of doing things 
if we hope making ambitious things for Ibex.

This "Human Elements" package of themes - see 
http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com/msg05412.html - 
is a extremely good starting point in my opinion, possibly coupled with 
auto-updating  svg wallpapers -  see 
http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com/msg05429.html


Cheers,

François


> Hello Pitr, everybody.
>
> You certainly can upload stuff but I think almost all of us can do that
> (no offence Pitr). The real problem is that we do not have a goal. No
> one is telling: "We have to make a new Ubuntu theme ... It should
> have ... It is not advisable the following ..." and so on. In fact I've
> been reading this mailing list from Ubuntu 7.04 till now and nothing new
> really happened. Just ideas, mockups, new ideas ... Now they are all
> buried on some hard to find place and we are starting to reinvent the
> wheel again, unfortunately. 
>
> But the hope dies last, you know. I hope that we will really have some
> progress this year because the LTS is released and now we have more room
> for experiments that before. So let's do it :)
>
> Best regards, 
> Anton
>
>
> В 10:03 -0400 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Pitr T. написа:
>   
>>  Good morning, all.
>>  
>>  I'm a bit new to this, but I'd like to help with the art projects in
>> any way I can. I do some graphic design, but so far nothing
>> professional. The Ubuntu desktops have been quite calming and, of
>> course, Human, but there aren't many variations of them. At least
>> not on the base installation.
>>  
>>  I think that more official background designs would be interesting
>> for another release; maybe patterns from nature, like the classic
>> Windows clouds, or incorporating photographs of animals. I know it's
>> easy to add new ones as a user, but if there were more which fit the
>> 'human' theme, and more customization, I think that quite a few other
>> people would make the switch to Ubuntu. 
>>  
>>  François Degrave's Elements design intrigues me. The Greek Elements
>> incorporated into Ubuntu would make for quite an interesting
>> design. Anton Kerezov's idea for a transparent background is also
>> quite interesting, but I personally would use PNG
>> transparencies. I think that the two soft lines used in the beige
>> background of Breezy Badger could make for a good overlay on other
>> colors as well, but other transparencies would also be good.
>>  
>>  I have recently been working on alternate theme packages for other
>> non-linux operating systems, including Mac and Windows 98. They aren't
>> appropriate for Ubuntu, (i. e. "Emo", which was done for a friend of
>> mine), but I think that some alternate Computer and Home Folder icons
>> from my archives could match Ubuntu's themes well. I could upload some
>> sets of .png icons if anybody is interested in working on icons.
>> 
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Jesper Lundgren]

As a spin to the Human elments there could instead be Human environments,
creating a small pack of themes with inspirations from the rainfores, desert
or maybe a city, just a thought.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Anton Kerezov]

Hello Pitr, everybody.

You certainly can upload stuff but I think almost all of us can do that
(no offence Pitr). The real problem is that we do not have a goal. No
one is telling: "We have to make a new Ubuntu theme ... It should
have ... It is not advisable the following ..." and so on. In fact I've
been reading this mailing list from Ubuntu 7.04 till now and nothing new
really happened. Just ideas, mockups, new ideas ... Now they are all
buried on some hard to find place and we are starting to reinvent the
wheel again, unfortunately. 

But the hope dies last, you know. I hope that we will really have some
progress this year because the LTS is released and now we have more room
for experiments that before. So let's do it :)

Best regards, 
Anton


В 10:03 -0400 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Pitr T. написа:
>  Good morning, all.
>  
>  I'm a bit new to this, but I'd like to help with the art projects in
> any way I can. I do some graphic design, but so far nothing
> professional. The Ubuntu desktops have been quite calming and, of
> course, Human, but there aren't many variations of them. At least
> not on the base installation.
>  
>  I think that more official background designs would be interesting
> for another release; maybe patterns from nature, like the classic
> Windows clouds, or incorporating photographs of animals. I know it's
> easy to add new ones as a user, but if there were more which fit the
> 'human' theme, and more customization, I think that quite a few other
> people would make the switch to Ubuntu. 
>  
>  François Degrave's Elements design intrigues me. The Greek Elements
> incorporated into Ubuntu would make for quite an interesting
> design. Anton Kerezov's idea for a transparent background is also
> quite interesting, but I personally would use PNG
> transparencies. I think that the two soft lines used in the beige
> background of Breezy Badger could make for a good overlay on other
> colors as well, but other transparencies would also be good.
>  
>  I have recently been working on alternate theme packages for other
> non-linux operating systems, including Mac and Windows 98. They aren't
> appropriate for Ubuntu, (i. e. "Emo", which was done for a friend of
> mine), but I think that some alternate Computer and Home Folder icons
> from my archives could match Ubuntu's themes well. I could upload some
> sets of .png icons if anybody is interested in working on icons.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Pitr T.]

 Good morning, all.

 I'm a bit new to this, but I'd like to help with the art projects in any
way I can. I do some graphic design, but so far nothing professional. The
Ubuntu desktops have been quite calming and, of course, Human, but there
aren't many variations of them. At least not on the base installation.

 I think that more official background designs would be interesting for
another release; maybe patterns from nature, like the classic Windows
clouds, or incorporating photographs of animals. I know it's easy to add new
ones as a user, but if there were more which fit the 'human' theme, and more
customization, I think that quite a few other people would make the switch
to Ubuntu.

* François Degrave*'s Elements design intrigues me. The Greek Elements
incorporated into Ubuntu would make for quite an interesting design. *Anton
Kerezov*'s idea for a transparent background is also quite interesting,
but I personally would use PNG transparencies. I think that the two soft
lines used in the beige background of* Breezy Badger* could make for a good
overlay on other colors as well, but other transparencies would also be
good.

 I have recently been working on alternate theme packages for other
non-linux operating systems, including Mac and Windows 98. They aren't
appropriate for Ubuntu, (i. e. "Emo", which was done for a friend of mine),
but I think that some alternate Computer and Home Folder icons from my
archives could match Ubuntu's themes well. I could upload some sets of .png
icons if anybody is interested in working on icons.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Anton Kerezov]

Hi Seth

I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also proposed
the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was little
interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure it
will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that feel
more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help?

Excuse my English.

Anton

В 01:43 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Seth Woodworth написа:
> I've been reading up on an old proposal about ambient-ly changing
> desktops (and themes?) in Ubuntu.  Also, I have been playing with
> semi-transparent SVG's as backgrounds, and changing the base
> background color.
> 
> I feel that it would be relatively trivial to create a simple system
> for auto-updating the bgshade behind a given svg background based on
> environmental variables.  Say: time and projected sun-up/sundown at a
> given long/lat.  The shade of your background could very easily match
> the rough shade of the sky outside.
> 
> Also, as you likely know, SVG's are pretty easy to edit by a program
> simply by changing some basic XML structure inside the file.  This too
> could be fairly easily changed to create an ever-changing background,
> with little resource overhead.
> 
> Is it in anyone's plans to go forward with the original proposal?  I'm
> interested in working with anyone who is.
> 
> Seth
> 
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:47 AM, François Degrave
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> It think this is a good idea to start with:
> 
> Attached: 444K sized zip file with PNGs included.
> 
> The visual style I have mentioned is called 'Elements'
> and it has 4 variations - Fire (the one you can see in
> the link), Water, Air and Earth.
> 
> Fire - Orange, the default visual style
> Water - Blue
> Air - Grey
> Earth - Green
> 
> We have Human Looks now. Imagine from Intrepid, we
> call our theme "Human Elements". From the different
> themes I have seen based on Murrine and Clearlooks,
> this appears possible.
> Cheers,
> 
> François
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all !
> 
> While everybody is enjoying the new Hardy Heron, I'd
> like to remember the list what we set previously, the
> new theme for Intrepid Ibex. It's been two releases
> since we don't produce anything, lot of talk, no
> actions, and now it's time to realize something solid,
> consistent, to fit the hope of a beautiful new theme.
> Now where should we start ? For the moment, as the
> list hasn't been very active, there's nothing really
> defined, so what I suggest is a meeting very soon on
> IRC, to discuss about this hard task.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Steph.
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex

[Seth Woodworth]

I've been reading up on an old proposal about ambient-ly changing desktops
(and themes?) in Ubuntu.  Also, I have been playing with semi-transparent
SVG's as backgrounds, and changing the base background color.

I feel that it would be relatively trivial to create a simple system for
auto-updating the bgshade behind a given svg background based on
environmental variables.  Say: time and projected sun-up/sundown at a given
long/lat.  The shade of your background could very easily match the rough
shade of the sky outside.

Also, as you likely know, SVG's are pretty easy to edit by a program simply
by changing some basic XML structure inside the file.  This too could be
fairly easily changed to create an ever-changing background, with little
resource overhead.

Is it in anyone's plans to go forward with the original proposal?  I'm
interested in working with anyone who is.

Seth

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:47 AM, François Degrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> It think this is a good idea to start with:
>
>  Attached: 444K sized zip file with PNGs included.
> >
> > The visual style I have mentioned is called 'Elements' and it has 4
> > variations - Fire (the one you can see in the link), Water, Air and Earth.
> >
> > Fire - Orange, the default visual style
> > Water - Blue
> > Air - Grey
> > Earth - Green
> >
> > We have Human Looks now. Imagine from Intrepid, we call our theme "Human
> > Elements". From the different themes I have seen based on Murrine and
> > Clearlooks, this appears possible.
> >
> Cheers,
>
> François
>
>
>
>  Hi all !
> >
> > While everybody is enjoying the new Hardy Heron, I'd like to remember
> > the list what we set previously, the new theme for Intrepid Ibex. It's been
> > two releases since we don't produce anything, lot of talk, no actions, and
> > now it's time to realize something solid, consistent, to fit the hope of a
> > beautiful new theme. Now where should we start ? For the moment, as the list
> > hasn't been very active, there's nothing really defined, so what I suggest
> > is a meeting very soon on IRC, to discuss about this hard task.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Steph.
> >
>
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