Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
Dana Goyette wrote: I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same feature in Ubuntu. It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time changes, and not to season or weather changes. If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293 -- note: this one is more of an example of what not to do! Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with these XML files. This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs good artwork to go with it. I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images. I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml . ATM, this feature doesn't work well at all. It's totally CPU driven and on every box I've tried it on the transition is bad. Usually ticky. Like a *real* low frame-rate. Various resolutions, right up to a dual-core box. Also there's some issue where the fade or transition time can't be set below 15seconds or so. To be done by default I think the feature needs work. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
hmm, are the video cards in the systems recent? I also use windows vista, and the dreamscene thing dosen't use any cpu time, only gpu time. the slide slow thing also works fine for me in kde and e17 (using their native tools) i think you need a GPU in order to get the full joy out of animated wallpapers -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
Cory K. wrote: ATM, this feature doesn't work well at all. It's totally CPU driven and on every box I've tried it on the transition is bad. Usually ticky. Like a *real* low frame-rate. Various resolutions, right up to a dual-core box. Also there's some issue where the fade or transition time can't be set below 15seconds or so. To be done by default I think the feature needs work. -Cory \m/ I dug around in the source of the libgnome-desktop-2 package, and found this: From gnome-bg.c, line 1065-1066: /* Maybe the number of steps should be configurable? */ timeout = slide-duration / 255.0; For a 2 hour transition, that works out to about 28 seconds. For a 5-hour transition, as in the Fedora Infinity wallpaper, it is roughly 71 seconds. I would love this feature, but it definitely does need improvement. The feature also needs to become 'discoverable' before being included by default. It'd be even better if we could make it respond to local conditions, as in this idea: http://www.tranism.com/weblog/archives/2006/11/os_x_atmosphere.html -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
For this idea to work well it would need to utilize a compositing UI engine. Its probably best to just wait a bit until that end of things is more standardized. In this respect, OS's like Mac with its CoreImage/Quartz/etc have an advantage with a sort of enforced standardized way of doing such stuff. So basically, smoothly-transitioned slideshow backgrounds would need to be a Compiz plug-in. This doesn't seem too difficult, and compiz is now preinstalled in Ubuntu (am I correct?). -Sumit On Apr 28, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Cory K. wrote: Dana Goyette wrote: I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same feature in Ubuntu. It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time changes, and not to season or weather changes. If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293 -- note: this one is more of an example of what not to do! Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with these XML files. This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs good artwork to go with it. I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images. I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml . ATM, this feature doesn't work well at all. It's totally CPU driven and on every box I've tried it on the transition is bad. Usually ticky. Like a *real* low frame-rate. Various resolutions, right up to a dual- core box. Also there's some issue where the fade or transition time can't be set below 15seconds or so. To be done by default I think the feature needs work. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
Hello everyone. Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let this be our FIRST GOAL: 1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should be available. I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by Dana). I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :( After we create acceptable live background we should go and pursue our SECOND GOAL: 2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly represents the Ubuntu spirit. Not perfect example for 2: http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700 Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :) Anton В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа: Anton Kerezov wrote: Hi Seth I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also proposed the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was little interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure it will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that feel more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help? Excuse my English. Anton I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same feature in Ubuntu. It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time changes, and not to season or weather changes. If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293 -- note: this one is more of an example of what not to do! Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with these XML files. This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs good artwork to go with it. I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images. I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml . -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
Sumit Agarwal wrote: For this idea to work well it would need to utilize a compositing UI engine. Its probably best to just wait a bit until that end of things is more standardized. In this respect, OS's like Mac with its CoreImage/Quartz/etc have an advantage with a sort of enforced standardized way of doing such stuff. So basically, smoothly-transitioned slideshow backgrounds would need to be a Compiz plug-in. This doesn't seem too difficult, and compiz is now preinstalled in Ubuntu (am I correct?). -Sumit Correct, but this would mean Compiz would then need to take over handling the desktop from Nautilus. A feat I would gather that would be a bit of work. Something the art-nerds on this list won't do in any case. ;) I guess we're all free to submit a patch. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
To 'rephrase' and add some of my own thoughts: -ISSUE - theme not eye-pleasing enough -IDEA - create aeshetically-pleasing theme -CON - idea too vague -IDEA - large-area UI elements should be color-neutral. This would put greater visual importance and weight on application *content* rather than the application/desktop UI -ISSUE - UI controls such as scrollbars, max/min/close/etc can get visually 'lost' IDEA - keep main theme elements such as dialogue/application backgrounds, menubars, and possibly titlebars color-neutral, but give scrollbars and buttons strong colors (Ubuntu colors? Orange?) so that they visually stand-out. -IDEA - theme must clearly represent Ubuntu spirit -ISSUE - we need to better define 'Ubuntu spirit' visually. First, what does 'Ubuntu spirit' even mean? A sense of compassion? A sense of ease? What are generally-accepted techniques for visually representing these ideas? Does it mean warm colors? Does it mean a satin-look? Is anyone up for building up an Ubuntu-art wiki around this type of ISSUE/IDEA/PRO/CON organization? Should be easy to use in the existing wiki. -Sumit On Apr 28, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov wrote: Hello everyone. Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let this be our FIRST GOAL: 1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should be available. I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by Dana). I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :( After we create acceptable live background we should go and pursue our SECOND GOAL: 2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly represents the Ubuntu spirit. Not perfect example for 2: http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700 Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :) Anton В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа: Anton Kerezov wrote: Hi Seth I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also proposed the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was little interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure it will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that feel more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help? Excuse my English. Anton I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same feature in Ubuntu. It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time changes, and not to season or weather changes. If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293 -- note: this one is more of an example of what not to do! Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with these XML files. This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs good artwork to go with it. I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images. I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml . -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
Sumit Agarwal wrote: To 'rephrase' and add some of my own thoughts: -ISSUE - theme not eye-pleasing enough -IDEA - create aeshetically-pleasing theme -CON - idea too vague -IDEA - large-area UI elements should be color-neutral. This would put greater visual importance and weight on application *content* rather than the application/desktop UI -ISSUE - UI controls such as scrollbars, max/min/close/etc can get visually 'lost' IDEA - keep main theme elements such as dialogue/application backgrounds, menubars, and possibly titlebars color-neutral, but give scrollbars and buttons strong colors (Ubuntu colors? Orange?) so that they visually stand-out. -IDEA - theme must clearly represent Ubuntu spirit -ISSUE - we need to better define 'Ubuntu spirit' visually. First, what does 'Ubuntu spirit' even mean? A sense of compassion? A sense of ease? What are generally-accepted techniques for visually representing these ideas? Does it mean warm colors? Does it mean a satin-look? Is anyone up for building up an Ubuntu-art wiki around this type of ISSUE/IDEA/PRO/CON organization? Should be easy to use in the existing wiki. -Sumit Honestly, best thing is to start the idea yourself and pull in like minded people once your idea is framed up. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
I strongly disagree. That is perfectly fine for the broader 'grown' Linux community, but Ubuntu seeks to set itself apart by presenting itself as a *planned* unified product for the non-enthusiast community. The Linux tradition of individual freedom and creativity is a great strength. But sometimes a project just calls out for more of a BSD- like structure. Ubuntu is such a project. Its not surprising that the open-source end-user applications to garner the greatest mainstream user-base, Firefox and OpenOffice, follow the same ethos. They identify issues, brainstorm solutions, and then pursue improvements in a highly-structured method. With Firefox 3 they did not simply decide to make it 'prettier'. They decided the browser must more-cleanly integrate into its host OS. They identified key solutions to this (skin the buttons to reflect the in-built browsers on Windows, Vista, and OS X, allow a 'unified' titlebar/application button area on OS X, etc), and then they went ahead and did it. There are innumerable Linux distributions that are essentially a collection of cool programs/hacks put together by a freeform community. And that's great! But if Ubuntu is just going to be another one of those, then there isn't a real *point* to Ubuntu. Ubuntu is meant for everyone. Such a lofty goal requires some serious planning. -Sumit On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Cory K. wrote: Sumit Agarwal wrote: To 'rephrase' and add some of my own thoughts: -ISSUE - theme not eye-pleasing enough -IDEA - create aeshetically-pleasing theme -CON - idea too vague -IDEA - large-area UI elements should be color-neutral. This would put greater visual importance and weight on application *content* rather than the application/desktop UI -ISSUE - UI controls such as scrollbars, max/min/close/etc can get visually 'lost' IDEA - keep main theme elements such as dialogue/application backgrounds, menubars, and possibly titlebars color-neutral, but give scrollbars and buttons strong colors (Ubuntu colors? Orange?) so that they visually stand-out. -IDEA - theme must clearly represent Ubuntu spirit -ISSUE - we need to better define 'Ubuntu spirit' visually. First, what does 'Ubuntu spirit' even mean? A sense of compassion? A sense of ease? What are generally-accepted techniques for visually representing these ideas? Does it mean warm colors? Does it mean a satin-look? Is anyone up for building up an Ubuntu-art wiki around this type of ISSUE/IDEA/PRO/CON organization? Should be easy to use in the existing wiki. -Sumit Honestly, best thing is to start the idea yourself and pull in like minded people once your idea is framed up. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
Strike the png idea. Vectors are far superior. PNG is ridiculous, and lossy. I also feel that this could be implemented with relatively low overhead just be editing the xml of th SVG or changing backround every X seconds. But that would be a far less interesting implementation. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let this be our FIRST GOAL: 1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should be available. I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by Dana). I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :( After we create acceptable live background we should go and pursue our SECOND GOAL: 2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly represents the Ubuntu spirit. Not perfect example for 2: http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700 Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :) Anton В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа: Anton Kerezov wrote: Hi Seth I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also proposed the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was little interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure it will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that feel more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help? Excuse my English. Anton I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same feature in Ubuntu. It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time changes, and not to season or weather changes. If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+%28Animated+Slideshow%29?content=75289 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+%28Animated+Slideshow%29?content=75293 -- note: this one is more of an example of what not to do! Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with these XML files. This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs good artwork to go with it. I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images. I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml . -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
Where raster content is desired (textures, etc), can bitmap data be embedded within an SVG? -Sumit On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Seth Woodworth wrote: Strike the png idea. Vectors are far superior. PNG is ridiculous, and lossy. I also feel that this could be implemented with relatively low overhead just be editing the xml of th SVG or changing backround every X seconds. But that would be a far less interesting implementation. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let this be our FIRST GOAL: 1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should be available. I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by Dana). I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :( After we create acceptable live background we should go and pursue our SECOND GOAL: 2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly represents the Ubuntu spirit. Not perfect example for 2: http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700 Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :) Anton В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа: Anton Kerezov wrote: Hi Seth I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also proposed the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was little interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure it will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that feel more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help? Excuse my English. Anton I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same feature in Ubuntu. It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time changes, and not to season or weather changes. If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293 -- note: this one is more of an example of what not to do! Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with these XML files. This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs good artwork to go with it. I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images. I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml . -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
Yes, it can be embeded. And frankly, unless you have some awesome textures, they aren't going to scale well to extremely large monitors or wide screens IMO. SVG's deal with wide screens far better, because they will be full resolution irregardless. 2008/4/28 Sumit Agarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Where raster content is desired (textures, etc), can bitmap data be embedded within an SVG? -Sumit On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Seth Woodworth wrote: Strike the png idea. Vectors are far superior. PNG is ridiculous, and lossy. I also feel that this could be implemented with relatively low overhead just be editing the xml of th SVG or changing backround every X seconds. But that would be a far less interesting implementation. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let this be our FIRST GOAL: 1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should be available. I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by Dana). I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :( After we create acceptable live background we should go and pursue our SECOND GOAL: 2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly represents the Ubuntu spirit. Not perfect example for 2: http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700 Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :) Anton В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа: Anton Kerezov wrote: Hi Seth I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also proposed the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was little interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure it will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that feel more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help? Excuse my English. Anton I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same feature in Ubuntu. It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time changes, and not to season or weather changes. If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+%28Animated+Slideshow%29?content=75289 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+%28Animated+Slideshow%29?content=75293 -- note: this one is more of an example of what not to do! Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with these XML files. This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs good artwork to go with it. I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images. I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml . -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
but on low-power systems, SVG takes a long time to render 2008/4/28 Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, it can be embeded. And frankly, unless you have some awesome textures, they aren't going to scale well to extremely large monitors or wide screens IMO. SVG's deal with wide screens far better, because they will be full resolution irregardless. 2008/4/28 Sumit Agarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Where raster content is desired (textures, etc), can bitmap data be embedded within an SVG? -Sumit On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Seth Woodworth wrote: Strike the png idea. Vectors are far superior. PNG is ridiculous, and lossy. I also feel that this could be implemented with relatively low overhead just be editing the xml of th SVG or changing backround every X seconds. But that would be a far less interesting implementation. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let this be our FIRST GOAL: 1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should be available. I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by Dana). I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :( After we create acceptable live background we should go and pursue our SECOND GOAL: 2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly represents the Ubuntu spirit. Not perfect example for 2: http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700 Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :) Anton В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа: Anton Kerezov wrote: Hi Seth I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also proposed the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was little interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure it will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that feel more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help? Excuse my English. Anton I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same feature in Ubuntu. It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time changes, and not to season or weather changes. If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+%28Animated+Slideshow%29?content=75289 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+%28Animated+Slideshow%29?content=75293 -- note: this one is more of an example of what not to do! Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with these XML files. This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs good artwork to go with it. I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images. I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be /usr/share/backgrounds/teahouse/teahouse.xml . -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
I think it can as Inkscape may use bitmaps in it. I also agree that svg is far more superior than any bitmap but I'm not sure if the slideshow feature could use them. When I have more time I'll test it and create an example live background. Anton В 13:09 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Sumit Agarwal написа: Where raster content is desired (textures, etc), can bitmap data be embedded within an SVG? -Sumit On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Seth Woodworth wrote: Strike the png idea. Vectors are far superior. PNG is ridiculous, and lossy. I also feel that this could be implemented with relatively low overhead just be editing the xml of th SVG or changing backround every X seconds. But that would be a far less interesting implementation. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. Really nice work Dana. I think we are making progress now :) So let this be our FIRST GOAL: 1. We have to make an automatically changing desktop with natural elements in mind (I think that the first link mostly represents this idea). Propositions should be in .png file format and be available at the highest reasonable resolution. The author must keep a copy of his work in his computer. So that when requested for packaging it should be available. I need to know if all of you agree on this first goal because if there is one that don't we should discuss it again. I think we can integrate weather forecast and geo-location data usage as well (proposed by Dana). I wish I knew more about gnome-programming to do this myself :( After we create acceptable live background we should go and pursue our SECOND GOAL: 2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly represents the Ubuntu spirit. Not perfect example for 2: http://lassekongo83.deviantart.com/art/Orange-door-hinge-80402700 Any further discussions and and recommendations are always welcome :) Anton В 07:46 -0700 на 28.04.2008 (пн), Dana Goyette написа: Anton Kerezov wrote: Hi Seth I have put such a proposal on Ubuntu Brainstorm and had also proposed the idea of semi transparent background an year ago but there was little interest in it. I can work with you to make this happen and I'm sure it will be the best improvement we can make towards an interface that feel more human. So is there anyone else who would like to help? Excuse my English. Anton I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same feature in Ubuntu. It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in Gnome 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time changes, and not to season or weather changes. If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow +Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue +(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75289 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling +(Animated+Slideshow)?content=75293 -- note: this one is more of an example of what not to do! Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well with these XML files. This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs good artwork to go with it. I've also taken the time to 'hack together' a theme using the iGoogle 'teahouse' theme's artwork; this at once shows how cool it can be, and shows how odd things can look when objects move around in the images. I've attached the theme here; the XML currently has hardcoded paths, and needs to be placed in /usr/share/backgrounds , so the XML file will be
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
shadowh511 wrote: but on low-power systems, SVG takes a long time to render We really need to move somewhat away from catering to the lowest common denominator. Let Xubuntu and or Fluxbuntu worry more about these things. Though, as far as shipping .SVGs goes, I think it was kwwii that was telling me about some rendering bug with using .SVG as walls. That's what I would worry about. I can't remember. Maybe he can chime in. For the here and now I would say create walls @ 2560x1600 (16:10) and try to compose with 4:3 in mind. Hacky, but the best we got. This is the way Ubuntu Studio approaches the wallpapers it ships. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Cory K. wrote: shadowh511 wrote: but on low-power systems, SVG takes a long time to render We really need to move somewhat away from catering to the lowest common denominator. Let Xubuntu and or Fluxbuntu worry more about these things. Agreed! -Sumit -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Ibex (Wallpaper Slideshow)
ok, i agree, we need to move ahead On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Sumit Agarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Cory K. wrote: shadowh511 wrote: but on low-power systems, SVG takes a long time to render We really need to move somewhat away from catering to the lowest common denominator. Let Xubuntu and or Fluxbuntu worry more about these things. Agreed! -Sumit -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Ubuntu FTW! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
