Re: [ubuntu-art] New Theme every LTS release

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Wednesday 10 September 2008 04:37:30 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> Okay i think i understand. Do you see any problem with getting new themes
> included? Or perhaps a lack of effort creating new themes? There seem to be
> lots of mockups that everybody loves, but aren't being turned into themes.
> Why is this?I love ubuntu, but i think it needs a lot of work on the
> interface, 'look and feel' and speed (although that's unrelated). Do you
> think the current system is fine? Should it change or should something be
> done to make the system work better?

We have a package for community themes which will be included in Intrepid.

The reason that not all mockups are turned into themes is a) interest of 
people who know how to code it and b) reality - just drawing a new widget 
will not make someone change the existing ones

We are slowly improving on the process. Trust me, it has gotten better over 
the last year or more.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Theme every LTS release

[Danny Piccirillo]

Okay i think i understand. Do you see any problem with getting new themes
included? Or perhaps a lack of effort creating new themes? There seem to be
lots of mockups that everybody loves, but aren't being turned into themes.
Why is this?I love ubuntu, but i think it needs a lot of work on the
interface, 'look and feel' and speed (although that's unrelated). Do you
think the current system is fine? Should it change or should something be
done to make the system work better?

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 04 September 2008 15:19:38 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:15:50 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 13:46:13 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > > > > > I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but i've been
> > > > > > trying
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > > > > > think of ways to get new, better themes into Ubuntu. What i mean
> > > > > > is,
> > > > >
> > > > > every
> > > > >
> > > > > > release, we see beautiful mockups, but nothing ever comes of it.
> I
> > > > > > think something needs to change so that these mockups have a
> chance
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > > > > getting worked on. If not this, i think something should be done
> > > > > > differently to address this problem-- it doesn't matter what. My
> > > > > > idea is simply that
> > > > >
> > > > > after
> > > > >
> > > > > > every LTS release, a mockup is voted on to work on for the next
> LTS
> > > > > > release, giving plenty of time to work on it. Is this reasonable?
> > >
> > > Would
> > >
> > > > > > this work?
> > > > >
> > > > > Shortly before 8.04 (Hardy Heron) it was decided that the LTS
> release
> > >
> > > is
> > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > final release in an artwork cycle, exactly as you suggest.
> > > >
> > > > Hm, are these themes chosen for inclusion in intrepid? Because i was
> > > > thinking the problem may have been that the themes didn't have enough
> > >
> > > time
> > >
> > > > to get worked on. This is why i thought choosing the theme for the
> next>
> > > >chive>) so that everyone can test
> > > > > them without having to compile anything themselves. Our next step
> is
> > > > > to include these in the next Intrepid Ibex alpha so keep any eye
> out
> > > > > for them there if you aren't interested or don't have the time to
> > > > > check
> > >
> > > them
> > >
> > > > > out via the PPA I mentioned.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Kenneth Wimer
> > >
> > > LTS
> > >
> > > > at the current LTS might be a better idea.
> > >
> > > Yes, these themes will be included in Intrepid. An LTS release has to
> be
> > > stable and is, as the name implies, supported over a long term and
> > > therefor is the wrong place to include new, untested themes.
> >
> > Exactly the reason i thought choosing themes to work on for the next LTS
> at
> > the LTS before would be a good idea. This way they can be worked on for a
> > long time and with focus on the few themes that are chosen. Am i
> > misunderstanding you? Is this already what is done?
>
> Almost. They are picked after the LTS, once they have been proposed and
> made
> it to a level in which it actualy works and has some respose from users so
> we
> have an idea about the popularity.
>
> Ken
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Theme every LTS release

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Thursday 04 September 2008 15:19:38 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:15:50 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 13:46:13 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > > > > I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but i've been
> > > > > trying
> >
> > to
> >
> > > > > think of ways to get new, better themes into Ubuntu. What i mean
> > > > > is,
> > > >
> > > > every
> > > >
> > > > > release, we see beautiful mockups, but nothing ever comes of it. I
> > > > > think something needs to change so that these mockups have a chance
> >
> > of
> >
> > > > > getting worked on. If not this, i think something should be done
> > > > > differently to address this problem-- it doesn't matter what. My
> > > > > idea is simply that
> > > >
> > > > after
> > > >
> > > > > every LTS release, a mockup is voted on to work on for the next LTS
> > > > > release, giving plenty of time to work on it. Is this reasonable?
> >
> > Would
> >
> > > > > this work?
> > > >
> > > > Shortly before 8.04 (Hardy Heron) it was decided that the LTS release
> >
> > is
> >
> > > > the
> > > > final release in an artwork cycle, exactly as you suggest.
> > >
> > > Hm, are these themes chosen for inclusion in intrepid? Because i was
> > > thinking the problem may have been that the themes didn't have enough
> >
> > time
> >
> > > to get worked on. This is why i thought choosing the theme for the next> 
> > >chive>) so that everyone can test
> > > > them without having to compile anything themselves. Our next step is
> > > > to include these in the next Intrepid Ibex alpha so keep any eye out
> > > > for them there if you aren't interested or don't have the time to
> > > > check
> >
> > them
> >
> > > > out via the PPA I mentioned.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Kenneth Wimer
> >
> > LTS
> >
> > > at the current LTS might be a better idea.
> >
> > Yes, these themes will be included in Intrepid. An LTS release has to be
> > stable and is, as the name implies, supported over a long term and
> > therefor is the wrong place to include new, untested themes.
>
> Exactly the reason i thought choosing themes to work on for the next LTS at
> the LTS before would be a good idea. This way they can be worked on for a
> long time and with focus on the few themes that are chosen. Am i
> misunderstanding you? Is this already what is done?

Almost. They are picked after the LTS, once they have been proposed and made 
it to a level in which it actualy works and has some respose from users so we 
have an idea about the popularity.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Theme every LTS release

[Danny Piccirillo]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:15:50 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 13:46:13 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > > > I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but i've been trying
> to
> > > > think of ways to get new, better themes into Ubuntu. What i mean is,
> > >
> > > every
> > >
> > > > release, we see beautiful mockups, but nothing ever comes of it. I
> > > > think something needs to change so that these mockups have a chance
> of
> > > > getting worked on. If not this, i think something should be done
> > > > differently to address this problem-- it doesn't matter what. My idea
> > > > is simply that
> > >
> > > after
> > >
> > > > every LTS release, a mockup is voted on to work on for the next LTS
> > > > release, giving plenty of time to work on it. Is this reasonable?
> Would
> > > > this work?
> > >
> > > Shortly before 8.04 (Hardy Heron) it was decided that the LTS release
> is
> > > the
> > > final release in an artwork cycle, exactly as you suggest.
> >
> > Hm, are these themes chosen for inclusion in intrepid? Because i was
> > thinking the problem may have been that the themes didn't have enough
> time
> > to get worked on. This is why i thought choosing the theme for the next
> LTS
> > at the current LTS might be a better idea.
>
> Yes, these themes will be included in Intrepid. An LTS release has to be
> stable and is, as the name implies, supported over a long term and therefor
> is the wrong place to include new, untested themes.


Exactly the reason i thought choosing themes to work on for the next LTS at
the LTS before would be a good idea. This way they can be worked on for a
long time and with focus on the few themes that are chosen. Am i
misunderstanding you? Is this already what is done?

> > For 8.10 (Intrepid
> > > Ibex) we have been reviewing new themes (the dark theme, and so far 3
> > > community themes). We have picked these themes for inclusion due to
> their
> > > quality and popularity. Although we will not vote on the matter the
> > > interests
> > > of users are definitely taken into account. I've set up a PPA with the
> > > themes
> > > in question
>
> > > (https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive
>  > >chive>) so that everyone can test
> > > them without having to compile anything themselves. Our next step is to
> > > include these in the next Intrepid Ibex alpha so keep any eye out for
> > > them there if you aren't interested or don't have the time to check
> them
> > > out via the PPA I mentioned.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Kenneth Wimer
>
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Theme every LTS release

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:15:50 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 September 2008 13:46:13 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > > I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but i've been trying to
> > > think of ways to get new, better themes into Ubuntu. What i mean is,
> >
> > every
> >
> > > release, we see beautiful mockups, but nothing ever comes of it. I
> > > think something needs to change so that these mockups have a chance of
> > > getting worked on. If not this, i think something should be done
> > > differently to address this problem-- it doesn't matter what. My idea
> > > is simply that
> >
> > after
> >
> > > every LTS release, a mockup is voted on to work on for the next LTS
> > > release, giving plenty of time to work on it. Is this reasonable? Would
> > > this work?
> >
> > Shortly before 8.04 (Hardy Heron) it was decided that the LTS release is
> > the
> > final release in an artwork cycle, exactly as you suggest.
>
> Hm, are these themes chosen for inclusion in intrepid? Because i was
> thinking the problem may have been that the themes didn't have enough time
> to get worked on. This is why i thought choosing the theme for the next LTS
> at the current LTS might be a better idea.

Yes, these themes will be included in Intrepid. An LTS release has to be 
stable and is, as the name implies, supported over a long term and therefor 
is the wrong place to include new, untested themes.

> > For 8.10 (Intrepid
> > Ibex) we have been reviewing new themes (the dark theme, and so far 3
> > community themes). We have picked these themes for inclusion due to their
> > quality and popularity. Although we will not vote on the matter the
> > interests
> > of users are definitely taken into account. I've set up a PPA with the
> > themes
> > in question
> > (https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive >chive>) so that everyone can test
> > them without having to compile anything themselves. Our next step is to
> > include these in the next Intrepid Ibex alpha so keep any eye out for
> > them there if you aren't interested or don't have the time to check them
> > out via the PPA I mentioned.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kenneth Wimer



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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Theme every LTS release

[Danny Piccirillo]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 04 September 2008 13:46:13 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but i've been trying to
> > think of ways to get new, better themes into Ubuntu. What i mean is,
> every
> > release, we see beautiful mockups, but nothing ever comes of it. I think
> > something needs to change so that these mockups have a chance of getting
> > worked on. If not this, i think something should be done differently to
> > address this problem-- it doesn't matter what. My idea is simply that
> after
> > every LTS release, a mockup is voted on to work on for the next LTS
> > release, giving plenty of time to work on it. Is this reasonable? Would
> > this work?
>
> Shortly before 8.04 (Hardy Heron) it was decided that the LTS release is
> the
> final release in an artwork cycle, exactly as you suggest.


Hm, are these themes chosen for inclusion in intrepid? Because i was
thinking the problem may have been that the themes didn't have enough time
to get worked on. This is why i thought choosing the theme for the next LTS
at the current LTS might be a better idea.


> For 8.10 (Intrepid
> Ibex) we have been reviewing new themes (the dark theme, and so far 3
> community themes). We have picked these themes for inclusion due to their
> quality and popularity. Although we will not vote on the matter the
> interests
> of users are definitely taken into account. I've set up a PPA with the
> themes
> in question 
> (https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive)
> so that everyone can test
> them without having to compile anything themselves. Our next step is to
> include these in the next Intrepid Ibex alpha so keep any eye out for them
> there if you aren't interested or don't have the time to check them out via
> the PPA I mentioned.
>
> Thanks,
> Kenneth Wimer
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Theme every LTS release

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 07:46 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:

> I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but i've been trying
> to think of ways to get new, better themes into Ubuntu. What i mean
> is, every release, we see beautiful mockups, but nothing ever comes of
> it. I think something needs to change so that these mockups have a
> chance of getting worked on. If not this, i think something should be
> done differently to address this problem-- it doesn't matter what. My
> idea is simply that after every LTS release, a mockup is voted on to
> work on for the next LTS release, giving plenty of time to work on it.
> Is this reasonable? Would this work?

There have been many discussions in varying places, including where it
belongs, the ubuntu-art mailing list.

There have been various efforts over the years and there are new ones in
planning stages.

While I'm sure you have the best intentions, posting on several mailing
lists at once is not a good idea, as people subscribed to some/all of
the list with see lots of duplicated mails, while people that are not on
all lists will sooner or later not get to see all relevant posts.

For this reason, I like would ask everyone to not reply, except on the
artwork list. (You can argue I shouldn't have either ... well, fine :)


Thanks!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Theme every LTS release

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Thursday 04 September 2008 13:46:13 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but i've been trying to
> think of ways to get new, better themes into Ubuntu. What i mean is, every
> release, we see beautiful mockups, but nothing ever comes of it. I think
> something needs to change so that these mockups have a chance of getting
> worked on. If not this, i think something should be done differently to
> address this problem-- it doesn't matter what. My idea is simply that after
> every LTS release, a mockup is voted on to work on for the next LTS
> release, giving plenty of time to work on it. Is this reasonable? Would
> this work?

Shortly before 8.04 (Hardy Heron) it was decided that the LTS release is the 
final release in an artwork cycle, exactly as you suggest. For 8.10 (Intrepid 
Ibex) we have been reviewing new themes (the dark theme, and so far 3 
community themes). We have picked these themes for inclusion due to their 
quality and popularity. Although we will not vote on the matter the interests 
of users are definitely taken into account. I've set up a PPA with the themes 
in question (https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive) so that everyone can test 
them without having to compile anything themselves. Our next step is to 
include these in the next Intrepid Ibex alpha so keep any eye out for them 
there if you aren't interested or don't have the time to check them out via 
the PPA I mentioned.

Thanks,
Kenneth Wimer

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