Re: [ubuntu-art] Newsplash usplash mockup updates

[Nick Russell]

On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 08:53 -0700, Troy James Sobotka wrote:

> Nick Russell wrote:
> > I've updated the original mockups on the wiki
> >  to address
> > concerns/criticisms and I've added a few new ideas and variations on old
> > ones. I've also started a forum thread to gauge community interest in a
> > new usplash 
> 
> While I can appreciate your want to change a certain aspect of Ubuntu, I
> would ask if you think a traditional development-centric component based
> design works for overall aesthetic impact?
> 
> That is, your design clearly moves toward a given presentation.  Does
> that presentation work in the 'bigger picture'?  Is there an overarching
> style that it fits in with?  Etc.
> 
> Worse, voting is death, especially on something of this nature.
> 
> If you would like to have a very real world example, go about your 
> houseappear no matter what, 
> with a digital camera.  Photograph small studies of say -- door handles,
> a chair, a type of hard wood flooring.
> 
> Now pick any one and put it up for a vote.  In the end, the vote is
> meaningless as it doesn't give you a true and accurate evaluation as to
> how all of the pieces are going to work together in the total design.
> 
> Two pennies...
> TJS
> 
> PS:  If you want further insight into some of these ideas, I would
> encourage you to examine the terms Gesamtkunstwerk (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesamtkunstwerk ) or Coccinity (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concinnity ).
> 
> 


Hi there,

I see what you are saying. But as I indicated when I first posted about
the usplash, I'm not primarily an artist, and created these mock ups
more to stimulate debate about a possible new usplash than anything
else. In fact, as I recently posted on the forum thread, I'm not averse
to the current usplash remaining.

As for the voting aspect, I actually posted on the forums not primarily
to put my ideas to the vote, but because I was secretly hoping someone
who knows a thing or two about usplash might take up one of the designs,
or be inspired (or so disgusted by my designs!) that he or she would
come up with their own for Intrepid! But I think you are saying that the
integrity of an idea may be watered down if it is put to the vote? I
think that this is probably true, but then not all design/art is
necessarily about creating an overall whole which gels is it? I'm not
necessarily advocating this for ubuntu (it would be a usability
nightmare!), but you could argue that a more fractured design where the
pieces don't fit together is actually more interesting?

I think your comments raise another interesting point, can there be such
a thing as 'community art', and if there is does it tend to be 'better'
or 'worse' (sorry for the clumsy wording) than an overall design which
has a single or small number of creators? This is kind of the ultimate
question for a project like Ubuntu, and the open source movement in
general.

In the end, in order to create an overall concept which looks good, is
consistent and easy to use - I think you are right that
the 'traditional development-centric component based design' probably
doesn't work, but its tough, because I'm neither an artist or a
developer, but as you say I want to 'change a certain aspect of ubuntu'
so I'm sort of stuck in the middle.

So why am I bothering? Well because I agree with the philosophy of
ubuntu and want it to spread as far as possible. In terms of my 'big
picture' it would be that philosophy, rather than anything strictly
'aesthetic', which is why I focused my designs on the coming together of
the circle of people, and what they produce in the centre of that
circle. And why did I choose the usplash, because its the first thing
people see, so they should get that philosophy straight away. Though, I
suppose the logo does that anyway - without any fancy animations

Thanks again for your comments,
Nick
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Newsplash usplash mockup updates

[Anton Kerezov]

В 15:55 +0100 на 16.05.2008 (пт), Nick Russell написа:
> I've updated the original mockups on the wiki to address
> concerns/criticisms and I've added a few new ideas and variations on
> old ones. I've also started a forum thread to gauge community interest
> in a new usplash, feel free to add any comments you have there, on the
> wiki page, or to me personally via email if you'd prefer.

I think that concept 3 the winner here! Smooth edged with nice progress
wheel. Good work!

Anton


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Newsplash usplash mockup updates

[Troy James Sobotka]

Nick Russell wrote:
> I've updated the original mockups on the wiki
>  to address
> concerns/criticisms and I've added a few new ideas and variations on old
> ones. I've also started a forum thread to gauge community interest in a
> new usplash 

While I can appreciate your want to change a certain aspect of Ubuntu, I
would ask if you think a traditional development-centric component based
design works for overall aesthetic impact?

That is, your design clearly moves toward a given presentation.  Does
that presentation work in the 'bigger picture'?  Is there an overarching
style that it fits in with?  Etc.

Worse, voting is death, especially on something of this nature.

If you would like to have a very real world example, go about your house
with a digital camera.  Photograph small studies of say -- door handles,
a chair, a type of hard wood flooring.

Now pick any one and put it up for a vote.  In the end, the vote is
meaningless as it doesn't give you a true and accurate evaluation as to
how all of the pieces are going to work together in the total design.

Two pennies...
TJS

PS:  If you want further insight into some of these ideas, I would
encourage you to examine the terms Gesamtkunstwerk (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesamtkunstwerk ) or Coccinity (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concinnity ).




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