Re: [ubuntu-art] Tricky Wiki (Thorsten Wilms)
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 20:54 -0400, John Baer wrote: > The Fedora community was having trouble maintaining their wiki back when > it was MoinMoin 1.5.8 and decided to switch to MediaWiki. However, much > of the design work of their current wiki was done with MoinMoin. > > IMO there is a lot of potential in MoinMoin. I don't know the best > approach, but the Fedora community used mockups to brain storm their > ideas. Sure, but as we just heard, with a redesign planned this year, now isn't a good time to propose a new wiki theme. So improvements must happen a level below that. For example, I replaced the generated list of sub-pages on the Artwork page with an explicit list to gain more control. Similar could be done in other places. We have this, now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/MinorWikiTweaks -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tricky Wiki (Thorsten Wilms)
Thorsten, Wow, as it turns out I have some experience with MoinMoin. I created and maintain a sandbox MoinMoin wiki titled proWiki located here. http://www.projwiki.com/index.cgi/ImpressionGtkTheme The Fedora community was having trouble maintaining their wiki back when it was MoinMoin 1.5.8 and decided to switch to MediaWiki. However, much of the design work of their current wiki was done with MoinMoin. IMO there is a lot of potential in MoinMoin. I don't know the best approach, but the Fedora community used mockups to brain storm their ideas. Perhaps starting with a new Artwork page. John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tricky Wiki
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 14:58 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote: > Yes, we should definitely work on improving our wiki. > I'd like to have monthly meetings and make that box useful :-) Well, commented out in the /Head for now ;) Roadmap is now Release Schedule and point to the generic page that forwards to always the current. FAQ gone. Documentation, Kyudo and CommunityThemesGuidlines now all under Guidlines, to be massaged into shape. ReportingPage and PageTemplate are now hidden, as I switched to an explicit link list with short explanations, instead of the previous "/bla /blu". WarningTheme and Powder moved to Specificatios, formerly Specs. Old, obsolete specs deleted. GutsyIconsReview and NewHumanTesting moved to Incoming pages. Suggestions for further improvement welcome ;) BTW, the Archive section would benefit from a little dedicated attention! -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tricky Wiki
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Cory K. wrote: > Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> Interestingly (or maybe unfortunately) enough, the person to talk to >> on the matter is me. > > So is it also you I gotta stalk to get SVG display support added to the > wiki or some lonely Canonical sysadmin? ;) Current info says Moin can do > it but not our version. > Can you give me more details on this? I've not heard of this and the SystemInfo page doesn't mention SVG support at all. Because of the connection between wiki.u.c and launchpad it will always have a more-paranoid-than-usual configuration. That means some features can that can be used to inject active content (JS, flash, object, etc...) cannot be enabled. Why don't you add your suggestions here, but feel free to discuss them on this list. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/MinorWikiTweaks -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tricky Wiki
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 09:50 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > But I can add some styles to the > default stylesheets and work on some macros that teams could use for > their project pages. The = Level 1 Headings = could do with like 1 em more padding/margin-top ;) Getting rid pf the leading "/" on the page lists would be nice already. Automatic thumbnail generation for wallpapers and such would rock :) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tricky Wiki
Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Interestingly (or maybe unfortunately) enough, the person to talk to > on the matter is me. So is it also you I gotta stalk to get SVG display support added to the wiki or some lonely Canonical sysadmin? ;) Current info says Moin can do it but not our version. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tricky Wiki
2009/4/2 Kenneth Wimer : >> First, the 2 level of links are confusing. Having always available top >> level links could be good. but that isn't what happens currently. >> >> The link block with "/Archives /BreatheIconSet ..." is ugly. Can our >> wiki software do better? > > Right. Not sure how to avoid this though...someone with more wiki knowledge > than I could answer it. > Moin is a very flexible system. To be frank, our theme is ancient, we can reap tremendous improvements by updating that. Also, we have the ability to create macros for common tasks such as generating some HTML. For example (I'm not suggesting this would be useful here) a macro can be created that embeds a youtube video into a page. Interestingly (or maybe unfortunately) enough, the person to talk to on the matter is me. There is a project to re-design the Ubuntu.com website which will start later this year. Therefore I'm hesitant to make sweeping changes at this point. But I can add some styles to the default stylesheets and work on some macros that teams could use for their project pages. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tricky Wiki
On Thursday 02 April 2009 14:11:35 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > Have a look at: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ > and then: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork > > Do you agree that the Fedora people are like 10 miles ahead in style and > structure there? Yes, we should definitely work on improving our wiki. > > First, the 2 level of links are confusing. Having always available top > level links could be good. but that isn't what happens currently. > > The link block with "/Archives /BreatheIconSet ..." is ugly. Can our > wiki software do better? Right. Not sure how to avoid this though...someone with more wiki knowledge than I could answer it. > The "NEXT ARTWORK MEETING" block is rather embarrassing. I would like > to remove it and the linked page, if I may. I'd like to have monthly meetings and make that box useful :-) > "Roadmap" sounds like there would be something specific. As long as > there's just the global release schedule, I think a link on the current > Incoming page would suffice. At the very least "Roadmap" should be > renamed to "Release Schedule". > > I would like to merge the "Getting Involved" and perhaps also the FAQ > with the main page. > > Then I would like to keep only a link to current Incoming, "Archives", > "BreatheIconSet", "Official Artwork", "Guidelines" ... > > "ReportingPage" seems to be very much obsolete This kinda ties in with the meetings box from above, and was required of every team (still is afaik). > "WarningTheme" and Powder can be moved to Specs (which should be written > out as "Specifications")? > > "GutsyIconsReview" can be moved to Incoming/Gutsy or to Specs?? In the > later case, the "Gutsy" should be dropped. > > Or both "GutsyIconsReview" and "NewHumanTesting" could go to a new > section called "Feedback". > > I would collect stuff from "Documentation", "CommunityThemesGuidelines" > and "KyudoGuidelines" below "Guidelines". I'm _considering_ to use the > Kyūdō motive as opener there, but to otherwise dissolve the "brand". Yes, on all of the above. Things have slowly progressed to their current state and could certainly use lots of love. > In all of that, I wouldn't worry about breaking links in the mailing > list archive or blog posts, because I think clearness and a good base to > build on is more valuable than archive material few will ever look at. > > > After such restructuring, one might go through the Fedora wiki to copy > good bits we lack. Right, they do have an interesting way of showing the pieces...it seems like it help new community members get involved. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
