Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
On Thursday 12 November 2009 12:46:17 am Kenneth Wimer wrote: > There are 80 apps in main and universe that put icons in the panel. > We are looking into defining exactly which icons are used and how > they need to be treated. My first attempt will be to use imagemagick > to re-color these icons monochrome (with slight use of color for some > icons). We'll still be doing most of the work by hand, but UDS offered something better for the future ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SymbolicIcons I doubt this would land in Lucid, it is something that would be really cool to have for +1. It needs work on rsvg in addition to the actual definition/creation of the icon theme, adding it to the xdg spec, etc. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 16:13 -0300, Sebastian Porta wrote: > > OT, I made icons, based on my Breathe icons, for the dictionary and > rhythmbox that are currently missing in Humanity. > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/113489/accessories-dictionary.svg > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/113489/rhythmbox.svg > I don't know if you can use but I like so much the Humanity theme that > just wanna show you :) > > -- > Seba (AKA spg76) > http://www.ubuntu-ar.org > Hi ,I didnt receive your second mail. [ There is something wrong with the mails delivered by Mailman :( ] Regarding the dictionary icon, another change would be to use 'Aa' instead of 'Uu'. And the size is 48px , While mostly the 24px would be used in menus. So, ideally we'd want the 24px icons done first. There is an issue of file size. The icons are to be saved as 'Plain svg'. If you notice the humanity-icon-set, it has more icons than breathe but is *nearly* one-fifth the download size or when installed. So we need to maintain the icons as small as possible. Use as less nodes as possible. For instance, for the letters, *I guess* , you'v used the pencil tool to draw the shape but that makes use of several nodes eventually the file size is very large. Instead if we use the text tool to draw the letters , we can get the icons to nearly one-third the size. Combining the similar objects helps reduce the file size too. The strokes for the highlights also need to be 1px. Give me a couple of weeks. I'll get the main guidelines up. -- Cheers, mac_v PS to all: There seems to be some problem with the Mailman server or somewhere . I'm not receiving all the mails that are sent. Sometimes i receive the replies to a message but not the mail message itself. For instance, I didnt receive any of kwwii's mails, but I get the responses from the others first. Nor did i receive Oliver's mail. While the archives show the mails. Sometimes the mails arrive very late too. So, if i havent responded... I havent received the mail ;) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 17:37 -0800, Dylan McCall wrote: > "I like to think my panel as a quiet spot for minimalist information, > not the place where icons are just grey." > > (Sorry about the weird quoting. It's amazing that, after all these > years, email tools continue to be so hopeless). > > I agree with you, David. It would be nice if there weren't light and > dark versions of icons (instead the panel automatically brightened / > darkened the colours for those particular icons), but that type of > runtime manipulation is dangerous. Without some hefty changes to how > icons are stored (FreeDesktop would not be happy), it wouldn't be very > maintainable either. > > Desaturating at runtime defeats the purpose. Desaturating at runtime and allowing the red color for the error and warning icons will work. Rather than re-doing it for all icons. Well now that the specs are still being made... lets see ;) > Personally, what I like > about the Humanity icons isn't that they are grey. It's that they make > awesome use of colour! > When my battery is low, the battery icon turns red! When I have a > crash report, there is a big red exclamation. (And I think WWAN has a > blueish tint, too, right?). Heh , the blue is unintentional. That is actually an app icon which is used in the panel. I'v used the blue for the app icons , you'll notice that the wireless is also blue in the connection editor. :) The wwan is supposed to have signal strengths too . So once thats done , it would have a monochrome set too. ;) Two colors are only used , grey[two shades for the different themes] and red. > > That dose of colour is really important. With these small icons I > think the colours are necessary to convey pertinent information at a > glance. So far, it has worked well in my case :) > > > Dylan > -- Cheers, mac_v -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
"I like to think my panel as a quiet spot for minimalist information, not the place where icons are just grey." (Sorry about the weird quoting. It's amazing that, after all these years, email tools continue to be so hopeless). I agree with you, David. It would be nice if there weren't light and dark versions of icons (instead the panel automatically brightened / darkened the colours for those particular icons), but that type of runtime manipulation is dangerous. Without some hefty changes to how icons are stored (FreeDesktop would not be happy), it wouldn't be very maintainable either. Desaturating at runtime defeats the purpose. Personally, what I like about the Humanity icons isn't that they are grey. It's that they make awesome use of colour! When my battery is low, the battery icon turns red! When I have a crash report, there is a big red exclamation. (And I think WWAN has a blueish tint, too, right?). That dose of colour is really important. With these small icons I think the colours are necessary to convey pertinent information at a glance. So far, it has worked well in my case :) Dylan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
2009/11/12 Kenneth Wimer > > On Nov 11, 2009, at 9:47 PM, mac_v wrote: > > > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 15:00 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: > >> > >> We are currently waiting for the code to allow for separate > >> panel icons. > >> > >> I suppose this will be useful for breathe as well. > >> > >> > >> > >> Also , there is the issue of one too many... > >> > >> Which icons do we really want in greyscale...? Do we really > >> want all > >> icons monochrome...? > >> > >> > >> Apps in greyscale, system icons in monochrome. Actually it might be > >> nice, to look at modifications people make for the macosx bar, > >> because > >> this is essentially the same problem. > > > > IMO , We can rather just keep the system icons monochrome and use > > runtime desaturation of the other icons. That way it would be > > easier and > > no need to do icons for all apps. > > Since how many ever icon we do , there will always be some app > > which we > > cannot cover > > There are 80 apps in main and universe that put icons in the panel. > We are looking into defining exactly which icons are used and how > they need to be treated. My first attempt will be to use imagemagick > to re-color these icons monochrome (with slight use of color for some > icons). > > Hi, as I'm thrilled to see a lot of Humantiy related icons being uploaded on gnome-look, I don't think that systematically greying apps icons is a good way to keep a consistent panel. I like to think my panel as a quiet spot for minimalist information, not the place where icons are just grey. > We'll work on creating a design spec, getting it signed off and out > into the public asap. > Nice. > > -- > Ken > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- David -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
On Nov 11, 2009, at 9:47 PM, mac_v wrote: > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 15:00 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: >> >> We are currently waiting for the code to allow for separate >> panel icons. >> >> I suppose this will be useful for breathe as well. >> >> >> >> Also , there is the issue of one too many... >> >> Which icons do we really want in greyscale...? Do we really >> want all >> icons monochrome...? >> >> >> Apps in greyscale, system icons in monochrome. Actually it might be >> nice, to look at modifications people make for the macosx bar, >> because >> this is essentially the same problem. > > IMO , We can rather just keep the system icons monochrome and use > runtime desaturation of the other icons. That way it would be > easier and > no need to do icons for all apps. > Since how many ever icon we do , there will always be some app > which we > cannot cover There are 80 apps in main and universe that put icons in the panel. We are looking into defining exactly which icons are used and how they need to be treated. My first attempt will be to use imagemagick to re-color these icons monochrome (with slight use of color for some icons). We'll work on creating a design spec, getting it signed off and out into the public asap. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:37 PM, mac_v wrote: > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 16:13 -0300, Sebastian Porta wrote: > > > > Could we have some kind of guideline in the near future to try avoid > > this inconsistencies? > > I made a blueprint for this. > > https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/humanity/+spec/create-guidelines > > > > Awesome , I think we'd have one for panel icons by the end of the UX > sprint. > > When doing the icons for Karmic , One color didnt fit both the light and > dark panels :/ > I had to do twice the work for humanity and humanity-dark. Was a real > pain . > > I'm really trying to push this idea> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/433858/comments/3 > > This [-symbolic idea] is the best solution. That way the text will match > the color of the icons. > > Other than the Panel , there are other places where such monochromatic > icons can be used in the system too. > > The color apart , the icon sizes on the gnome-look are a huge problem . > I'v tried to keep a consistent icon padding , so that we dont have > problems of different icon sizes. > And using fill for the icons just makes the icons appear too dark and as > blotches. > > Just to mention a few, Once the sprint is over and the UX team mentions > how they are implementing it.. We can start on completing the > guidelines. > > Excellent. And thanks for the feedback in the blueprint. > > OT, I made icons, based on my Breathe icons, for the dictionary and > > rhythmbox that are currently missing in Humanity. > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/113489/accessories-dictionary.svg > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/113489/rhythmbox.svg > > I don't know if you can use but I like so much the Humanity theme that > > just wanna show you :) > > > > -- > > Seba (AKA spg76) > > http://www.ubuntu-ar.org > > > Cool , > But the UX folks had us remove all the app specific icons :/ > Not sure if its allowed again... > > For Karmic itself , we wanted to to do the monochrome icon for the > Ubuntu logo and kwwii said no.. > Now, he is all excited once it was posted on the web ;p > > Maybe similarly, we can add more app icons too... ;) Kenneth ? > > Oh, OK, didn't know that. I understand about the Rhythmbox icon but accessories-dictionary it's an icon from the FreeDesktop spec. Anyway, I guess that have their reasons. > In the dictionary icon , the alphabets could be etched-in rather than > being raised. > OK, I'll do that and I send it out to you. It's that OK? -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
Am Donnerstag, den 12.11.2009, 00:25 +0530 schrieb mac_v: > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 13:10 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: > > Will these modifications find their way to humanity? > > > No. Not right now. > We'v been noticing them in gnome-look. Though some of the icons are > good , the majority are not. There are inconsistencies ;) > It's true. Thank you for the honestly words. The majority should be made simpler, but with a obvious message. At moment I am unlucky with the most of them... > We havent added icons for the panel since the icons are also used by the > apps and system menus too. > We are currently waiting for the code to allow for separate panel icons. > > The design team seems currently working on this for Lucid. > It's a good notice. The only what we want is a consistence (monochrome icons) in the panel. Apps and system-menus should be stay as they are. The replacing or inheriting those new monochrome icons is a good stuff for the panel-look, but it's destroying (replacing) the original setting in the hicolor-theme. Will say... it's better let these solution from gnome-look at moment and wait for Lucid. > So, once this is done , we'd add the icons to the Humanity theme too. Of course. I believe in yours happy hands ... :) > Another bug is that the icons are not in proper order. Icons arrange > themselves randomly. This Upstream patch if added to Ubuntu will fix the > issue: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583115 > > > Also , there is the issue of one too many... > > Which icons do we really want in greyscale...? Do we really want all > icons monochrome...? I am unsure ... maybe, maybe not! But we are talking only about the panel-icons! ... sure? Oliver -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 15:00 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: > > We are currently waiting for the code to allow for separate > panel icons. > > I suppose this will be useful for breathe as well. > > > > Also , there is the issue of one too many... > > Which icons do we really want in greyscale...? Do we really > want all > icons monochrome...? > > > Apps in greyscale, system icons in monochrome. Actually it might be > nice, to look at modifications people make for the macosx bar, because > this is essentially the same problem. IMO , We can rather just keep the system icons monochrome and use runtime desaturation of the other icons. That way it would be easier and no need to do icons for all apps. Since how many ever icon we do , there will always be some app which we cannot cover -- Cheers, mac_v -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 16:13 -0300, Sebastian Porta wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM, mac_v wrote: > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 13:10 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: > > Will these modifications find their way to humanity? > > > > No. Not right now. > We'v been noticing them in gnome-look. Though some of the > icons are > good , the majority are not. There are inconsistencies ;) > > Could we have some kind of guideline in the near future to try avoid > this inconsistencies? > I made a blueprint for this. > https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/humanity/+spec/create-guidelines > Awesome , I think we'd have one for panel icons by the end of the UX sprint. When doing the icons for Karmic , One color didnt fit both the light and dark panels :/ I had to do twice the work for humanity and humanity-dark. Was a real pain . I'm really trying to push this idea> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/433858/comments/3 This [-symbolic idea] is the best solution. That way the text will match the color of the icons. Other than the Panel , there are other places where such monochromatic icons can be used in the system too. The color apart , the icon sizes on the gnome-look are a huge problem . I'v tried to keep a consistent icon padding , so that we dont have problems of different icon sizes. And using fill for the icons just makes the icons appear too dark and as blotches. Just to mention a few, Once the sprint is over and the UX team mentions how they are implementing it.. We can start on completing the guidelines. > > We havent added icons for the panel since the icons are also > used by the > apps and system menus too. > We are currently waiting for the code to allow for separate > panel icons. > > The design team seems currently working on this for Lucid. > > So, once this is done , we'd add the icons to the Humanity > theme too. > > > Good to hear that they're are working on a fix for this. > > OT, I made icons, based on my Breathe icons, for the dictionary and > rhythmbox that are currently missing in Humanity. > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/113489/accessories-dictionary.svg > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/113489/rhythmbox.svg > I don't know if you can use but I like so much the Humanity theme that > just wanna show you :) > > -- > Seba (AKA spg76) > http://www.ubuntu-ar.org > Cool , But the UX folks had us remove all the app specific icons :/ Not sure if its allowed again... For Karmic itself , we wanted to to do the monochrome icon for the Ubuntu logo and kwwii said no.. Now, he is all excited once it was posted on the web ;p Maybe similarly, we can add more app icons too... ;) Kenneth ? In the dictionary icon , the alphabets could be etched-in rather than being raised. -- Cheers, mac_v -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
> We are currently waiting for the code to allow for separate panel icons. > I suppose this will be useful for breathe as well. Also , there is the issue of one too many... > > Which icons do we really want in greyscale...? Do we really want all > icons monochrome...? Apps in greyscale, system icons in monochrome. Actually it might be nice, to look at modifications people make for the macosx bar, because this is essentially the same problem. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM, mac_v wrote: > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 13:10 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: > > Will these modifications find their way to humanity? > > > No. Not right now. > We'v been noticing them in gnome-look. Though some of the icons are > good , the majority are not. There are inconsistencies ;) > Could we have some kind of guideline in the near future to try avoid this inconsistencies? I made a blueprint for this. https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/humanity/+spec/create-guidelines > > We havent added icons for the panel since the icons are also used by the > apps and system menus too. > We are currently waiting for the code to allow for separate panel icons. > > The design team seems currently working on this for Lucid. > > So, once this is done , we'd add the icons to the Humanity theme too. > Good to hear that they're are working on a fix for this. OT, I made icons, based on my Breathe icons, for the dictionary and rhythmbox that are currently missing in Humanity. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/113489/accessories-dictionary.svg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/113489/rhythmbox.svg I don't know if you can use but I like so much the Humanity theme that just wanna show you :) -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 13:10 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: > Will these modifications find their way to humanity? > No. Not right now. We'v been noticing them in gnome-look. Though some of the icons are good , the majority are not. There are inconsistencies ;) We havent added icons for the panel since the icons are also used by the apps and system menus too. We are currently waiting for the code to allow for separate panel icons. The design team seems currently working on this for Lucid. So, once this is done , we'd add the icons to the Humanity theme too. Another bug is that the icons are not in proper order. Icons arrange themselves randomly. This Upstream patch if added to Ubuntu will fix the issue: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583115 Also , there is the issue of one too many... Which icons do we really want in greyscale...? Do we really want all icons monochrome...? Related bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/480682 > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Kenneth Wimer > wrote: > Hi all, > > In case you haven't seen the work being done on the Humanity > panel > icons, check out: > > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/humanity-style-icon-main-ubuntu- > menu.html > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/humanity-style-icons-liferea- > fusion.html > > and the other posts about Humanity: > > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/search/label/humanitymatch > > Very nice work. They have caught the ball and have begun to > run with > it ;) > > -- > Ken > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > > -- > Saleel -- Cheers, mac_v -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
hi, thank you for the work, by the way are these icons for the coming Lucid? 2009/11/11 Saleel Velankar > Will these modifications find their way to humanity? > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Kenneth Wimer wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> In case you haven't seen the work being done on the Humanity panel >> icons, check out: >> >> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/humanity-style-icon-main-ubuntu- >> menu.html >> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/humanity-style-icons-liferea- >> fusion.html >> >> and the other posts about Humanity: >> >> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/search/label/humanitymatch >> >> Very nice work. They have caught the ball and have begun to run with >> it ;) >> >> -- >> Ken >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> > > > > -- > Saleel > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > -- Arshad -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] humanity panel icons
Will these modifications find their way to humanity? On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Kenneth Wimer wrote: > Hi all, > > In case you haven't seen the work being done on the Humanity panel > icons, check out: > > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/humanity-style-icon-main-ubuntu- > menu.html > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/humanity-style-icons-liferea- > fusion.html > > and the other posts about Humanity: > > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/search/label/humanitymatch > > Very nice work. They have caught the ball and have begun to run with > it ;) > > -- > Ken > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
