Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
On Nov 28, 2007 8:14 AM, Alper Beser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok guys, here comes the tiny update: http://www1.picfront.org/picture/86F7OREDY4L/img/mockup5copy.jpg due to the lack of time, i couldnt do more than this in the past few days, but i hope that the concept so far is distinguishable... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art All I can say is... WOW! It does feel plastic, though. Overall, though it is very polished. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
Ok guys, here comes the tiny update: http://www1.picfront.org/picture/86F7OREDY4L/img/mockup5copy.jpg due to the lack of time, i couldnt do more than this in the past few days, but i hope that the concept so far is distinguishable... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
Are you kidding Me, It's a HUGE improvement -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
Troy, I think people design this non brown themes because the lack of strong guidelines at the Hardy wiki page. In my opinion we should create first the guidelines and then start designing, otherwise we're doing just alternate artwork. 2007/11/26, Jan Niklas Hasse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Nov 26, 2007 8:50 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Murrine theme engine Murrine theme engine Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com writes: 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable? Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented? I believe it is if Murrine theme engine is used. In the panel; yes. Using a transparent png works really well. These days all panel apps behave quite well with transparent panels. Window border: Yes and no. I don't know if Compiz can do blur at an acceptable performance. Each time I've enabled blur in the past it has crippled the performance. Maybe it has changed, but I doubt it. It can and works flawlessly well on my computer (nvidia fx5900xt). But I think it requires Pixel Shader 2.0 or something similar. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Álvaro. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
Jan Niklas Hasse schrieb: On Nov 26, 2007 8:50 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Window border: Yes and no. I don't know if Compiz can do blur at an acceptable performance. Each time I've enabled blur in the past it has crippled the performance. Maybe it has changed, but I doubt it. It can and works flawlessly well on my computer (nvidia fx5900xt). But I think it requires Pixel Shader 2.0 or something similar. It does not work on my ATI with the open radeon driver (fglrx worked with Beryl, haven't tried with Compiz). So this is not an option for us right now. Even if it would work. we can't have a standard-theme that requires Compiz - this would mean a lot of duplicate effort to create a matching gtk-theme that does not require compositing. P.S. a transparent panel is nothing I would recommend either. The GNOME panel does not support real transparency. I have my panels set to autohide and fake transparency is just awkward when you have a window boarder underneath. -- Nick Bauermeister http://forlong.blogage.de -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
On Nov 26, 2007 12:09 PM, Jan Niklas Hasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 26, 2007 8:50 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Murrine theme engine Murrine theme engine Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com writes: 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable? Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented? I believe it is if Murrine theme engine is used. In the panel; yes. Using a transparent png works really well. These days all panel apps behave quite well with transparent panels. Window border: Yes and no. I don't know if Compiz can do blur at an acceptable performance. Each time I've enabled blur in the past it has crippled the performance. Maybe it has changed, but I doubt it. It can and works flawlessly well on my computer (nvidia fx5900xt). But I think it requires Pixel Shader 2.0 or something similar. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art It doesn't work with my intel GMA 945 (it freezes the comp when I turn it on because of how much memory it takes), so this wouldn't be very good to turn on by default. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
I'm going with Troy ... um ... again. This one is a really beautiful mockup, but it feels more like a suse, than an Ubuntu. Although nice work. Cheerz Günther Am Sonntag, den 25.11.2007, 14:54 -0800 schrieb Troy James Sobotka: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Perhaps a few questions and you can evaluate it yourself: 1) Do you feel gloss is contemporary? Can you site any contemporary trend from a designer / art / photography magazine that would suggest that glossy / shiny is heading back into mainstream? Are there perhaps other styles that might be not only more fresh but more evocative of a potential Ubuntu 'identity'? 2) Does green feel close to Ubuntu's lineage considering its brown hues of past? 3) Does grass seem distinctive and innovative considering the operating system landscape? Leopard pre-releases and Vista have both featured grass wallpapers. Is duplication and imitation something that you wish Ubuntu to forward as a trend? 4) Ubuntu has strict rules regarding the presentation of its official logo. Were you aware that there are rules governing the colours laid out in the official logo? Do you think that Mark Shuttlworth would be willing to stray from the default logo colours presented in the past three to four years? Do you think it would be wise for a company such as Coca-Cola to stray from their brand logo of red and white? Pepsi to stray from their brand logo of blue, white, and red? 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable? Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented? Is the visual styling of the menu etc. currently attainable with the codebase? 6) Having considered the audience you are designing this for, do you believe it helps to create an emotional attachment to the Ubuntu identity? Does it have a clear voice or tepid delivery? Does it have enough body to create a full fledged motif from for marketing and further material? Is the palette rounded out enough to support such a presentation? Hope these questions help to illuminate possible future direction. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSf0lar0EasPEHjQRAu8aAJ9Y+b9H4MyWQ1zpuKcUkm211joqGACgsLOP owKUxSQDTdihU9SWWLbz+Yg= =qbCc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
2007/11/25, Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Perhaps a few questions and you can evaluate it yourself: 1) Do you feel gloss is contemporary? Can you site any contemporary trend from a designer / art / photography magazine that would suggest that glossy / shiny is heading back into mainstream? Are there perhaps other styles that might be not only more fresh but more evocative of a potential Ubuntu 'identity'? 2) Does green feel close to Ubuntu's lineage considering its brown hues of past? 3) Does grass seem distinctive and innovative considering the operating system landscape? Leopard pre-releases and Vista have both featured grass wallpapers. Is duplication and imitation something that you wish Ubuntu to forward as a trend? 4) Ubuntu has strict rules regarding the presentation of its official logo. Were you aware that there are rules governing the colours laid out in the official logo? Do you think that Mark Shuttlworth would be willing to stray from the default logo colours presented in the past three to four years? Do you think it would be wise for a company such as Coca-Cola to stray from their brand logo of red and white? Pepsi to stray from their brand logo of blue, white, and red? 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable? Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented? Is the visual styling of the menu etc. currently attainable with the codebase? 6) Having considered the audience you are designing this for, do you believe it helps to create an emotional attachment to the Ubuntu identity? Does it have a clear voice or tepid delivery? Does it have enough body to create a full fledged motif from for marketing and further material? Is the palette rounded out enough to support such a presentation? Hope these questions help to illuminate possible future direction. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSf0lar0EasPEHjQRAu8aAJ9Y+b9H4MyWQ1zpuKcUkm211joqGACgsLOP owKUxSQDTdihU9SWWLbz+Yg= =qbCc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Ok, first of all I want to thank you for your great feedback, guys! It makes me happy to see you striving for improving my mockup. :) Referring to Troy i must say, that i find it neither rude nor offending in any way. I appreciate negative criticism as much as praise. I want to thank Troy explicitly for his effort of writing his appropriate questions. I want to answer them one by one: 1) I don't think that those glossy effects went out of style yet. I would rather say that they are more popular than anytime else right now. You can take Apple as a good example, that was the first precursor of that style. 2) You are absolutley right, green doesn't really fit in the color schemes ubuntu used in the recent past. But when i started to design my mockup, I wanted to use a color which spreads a good atmosphere - and green does this way better than brown. 3) The wallpaper was only a random choice of mine. I picked it because i didn't want to take one of those regular ubuntu wallpapers. I could use anything else instead of it. :) 4) Well, I've seen some custom themes with variously colored logos of ubuntu, so I thought that it wouldn't be a problem, if I made it greenish, in order to make it fit better to the background. However, you are right, I will take care of keeping the standard logo in further versions in the future. 5) I unfortunately don't know much about the technical coding stuff that is behind a theme. Thank you for making me aware of this. I will take care of this, too. 6) It doesn't have clear ubuntu-based message yet - that's correct, but I hope that it will develop one in the duration of further work. :) I hope that I answered all of these correctly (for my own sake ;)) and would encourage all of you to help me improving it in the same way you already did. The next ToDo's: - changing the green color scheme to orange - modifying or removing the transparency - making the lower taskbar look more ubuntu-like - implanting some gui-icons to make it be a real mockup. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
Murrine theme engine Murrine theme engine Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com writes: 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable? Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented? I believe it is if Murrine theme engine is used. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
On 26/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Murrine theme engine Murrine theme engine Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com writes: 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable? Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented? I believe it is if Murrine theme engine is used. In the panel; yes. Using a transparent png works really well. These days all panel apps behave quite well with transparent panels. Window border: Yes and no. I don't know if Compiz can do blur at an acceptable performance. Each time I've enabled blur in the past it has crippled the performance. Maybe it has changed, but I doubt it. I am not sure if transparent widgets are possible. The latest gtk+ release added widget-level composition, but afaik no engine is using it (or if that is even possible), and I don't know how viable it is. Maybe some hacker with a little time on their hands should do a quick dirty hack to test this out. It is really not that hard to hack up Murrine or some other engine[1]. Unfortunately I have no time atm. Cheers, Mikkel [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkelKamstrupErlandsen/ThemeEngineTricks -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
Philip Newborough wrote: Is it just me or did anyone else find this message a little rude and rather intimidating? Philip Not really. It's things we should all keep in mind while designing. The people who make the final decisions will have these things in mind. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
On Monday 26 November 2007 00:15:13 Philip Newborough wrote: On Nov 25, 2007 10:54 PM, Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Perhaps a few questions and you can evaluate it yourself: 1) Do you feel gloss is contemporary? Can you site any contemporary trend from a designer / art / photography magazine that would suggest that glossy / shiny is heading back into mainstream? Are there perhaps other styles that might be not only more fresh but more evocative of a potential Ubuntu 'identity'? 2) Does green feel close to Ubuntu's lineage considering its brown hues of past? 3) Does grass seem distinctive and innovative considering the operating system landscape? Leopard pre-releases and Vista have both featured grass wallpapers. Is duplication and imitation something that you wish Ubuntu to forward as a trend? 4) Ubuntu has strict rules regarding the presentation of its official logo. Were you aware that there are rules governing the colours laid out in the official logo? Do you think that Mark Shuttlworth would be willing to stray from the default logo colours presented in the past three to four years? Do you think it would be wise for a company such as Coca-Cola to stray from their brand logo of red and white? Pepsi to stray from their brand logo of blue, white, and red? 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable? Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented? Is the visual styling of the menu etc. currently attainable with the codebase? 6) Having considered the audience you are designing this for, do you believe it helps to create an emotional attachment to the Ubuntu identity? Does it have a clear voice or tepid delivery? Does it have enough body to create a full fledged motif from for marketing and further material? Is the palette rounded out enough to support such a presentation? Hope these questions help to illuminate possible future direction. Sincerely, TJS Is it just me or did anyone else find this message a little rude and rather intimidating? I for one, found it very based in reality and not intimidating. Actually, I would have said about the same thing. Asking questions of the author is a good way for everyone to sit back and think about what they are doing before they start drawing things which include unrealistic things like changing our logos/branding. Not to mention the fact that we are trying to move away from the gloss, not towards it - anything that everyone else already does today is something that we do not want to do. As a rule we want to move forward and not just keep up with the others. -- Kenneth -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
I agree with both points of view. People are always a bit sensitive about work that they have done, so it might make for a more effective message if a more constructive approach were taken. The mockup is good, I mean technically it would make a window manager that would work, and it looks clean. However it does seem rather derivative, and doesn't inspire much excitement and it's not very original. So I'd encourage the author to try again, but have him know that his work will have a much better chance of survival if he follows the guidelines, which where well pointed out in the last post... Regards, Daniel. I for one, found it very based in reality and not intimidating. Actually, I would have said about the same thing. Asking questions of the author is a good way for everyone to sit back and think about what they are doing before they start drawing things which include unrealistic things like changing our logos/branding. Not to mention the fact that we are trying to move away from the gloss, not towards it - anything that everyone else already does today is something that we do not want to do. As a rule we want to move forward and not just keep up with the others. -- Kenneth -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
Good stuff, I like it a lot. Keep up the good work. On 11/26/07, Alper Beser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey guys, since im a very big fan of ubuntu, i decided to create a mockup on my own for the upcoming new ubuntu version hardy heroin. I've worked on it about 12 hours up to now and I would highly apprecieate it, if you told me whether it's worth continueing the work on it or not: http://www2.picfront.org/picture/55GWHP4A/img/mockup4copy.jpg thank you very much, regards -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Steven Wallace Monoaxe www.monoaxe.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)
On Nov 25, 2007 10:36 PM, Alper Beser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey guys, since im a very big fan of ubuntu, i decided to create a mockup on my own for the upcoming new ubuntu version hardy heroin. I've worked on it about 12 hours up to now and I would highly apprecieate it, if you told me whether it's worth continueing the work on it or not: http://www2.picfront.org/picture/55GWHP4A/img/mockup4copy.jpg thank you very much, It's cool - I think the work is of high technical quality, and there could certainly be interest in a theme like this for people who want the specific glassy/slick look you've gone for (rather like Vista, I think :) - however I think that answering Troy's questions will help to find a theme more likely to be considered for being shipped with the distro... The requirements for 'sleek looking classy theme' are different to the ones for 'distinctive default theme' - I think you hit the 1st ones :) Keep designing! Who -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
