Re: Local activity suggestion: face-to-face technical gatherings
On 17/05/10 09:02, AndrewG wrote: ... 3. Tough one at the moment, a central location is good but other geographical areas would be better. (Maybe it could be rotational) Perhaps we could start with rotational and see how it goes. 4. HUMBUG at the University of QLD, meet most of the criteria, however we would probably need to become members and liaise with their Executive. I did consider that, but as far as i'm concerned, UQ fails on the "central location" criteria (it's a pain to get to from most places on the Northside, Bayside, or far Southside). And i can't confirm it first hand, but i've heard from others that it is not too good on the "accessible to all levels of technical expertise" criteria as well. And because it includes all Unix-like systems (even Mac), then i think its topics are a little bit less focused than i'd like (see http://www.humbug.org.au/Talks). Public libraries are good venues (usually have free meeting rooms), however I'm not sure about Internet connectivity. Worth looking into. If we get some more interest, perhaps we can look into trying something in, say, July. Other thoughts: 1. Could you put your thoughts on the WIKI under the Brisbane sub-page (so we have a permanent record of them) I've put them here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/LocalMeetings and added links from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects#Proposed%20activities and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Brisbane 2. Another meeting type that we should consider is though IRC. If we could hijack the ubuntu-au channel for one evening per month so we could have a live discussion about BRISBANE issues. I think that's on-topic enough that we could hijack it without needing to worry too much, except for ensuring we don't clash with other meetings. Paul <>-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Software freedom day
On 16 May 2010 22:40, Daniel Sobey wrote: > Hello list, > > Software freedom day is still months away but we should start getting > organised or at least thinking about it. Software freedom day is a world > wide event held in the third saturday in september to get out and talk > about software freedom in your community. > http://softwarefreedomday.org/ > > We had events in mt gambier and goolwa last year but i'd like to have an > event in Adelaide. > > if anyone wants to step forward and become an organiser of the event > please step forward now. We have several months but you do need to > register your team a month or two ahead of time to get a pack that > contains cd's and shirts etc. > > Anyway think about it for the time being and lets start getting > organised in a few months. > Hi Daniel, I am happy to help out were I can, so you can put me down for helper / organiser. Have you had any thought to where we going to hold the event this year. I was thinking if we can we can try do something at the Uni in the city this year if that is possible. iirc There was no event last year in Adelaide (CBD) itself. I think this year if we can find the location to hold the event we can then start promoting the event earlier and hopefully get a better turn out. :-) I guess the next part is who wants to put on a talk / demo. Also we could do a internet setup with other teams around Australia as part of the Ubuntu LoCo, and do a intstallfest. Regards Dale -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them" - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: A Transition Plan
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Tony "H.G" Candito wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:49 AM, peter baker wrote: >> hey guys >> >> I humbly accept the nomination, this suggestion has been added to the wiki >> page for tonights meeting for team approval >> >> peter >> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Chris Chinchilla >> wrote: >>> >>> I've come back to work on Monday morning to find a lot of emails... I've >>> got a bit lost trying to follow them all, but I'm keen to help out with an >>> Australian loco in a small way, basically, whenever a date is sorted out for >>> a meeting I'll try my best to attend and see what I can do... >>> >>> I know Peter well, if he has time and inclination, he has my vote to... >>> >>> >>> >>> On 16/05/2010, at 6:17 PM, Dave Hall wrote: >>> >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > I know some people on the list would like to see drastic actions being >>> > taken to change/fix/revive/whatever the LoCo. I think now is the time >>> > for cool heads and respectful discussion. >>> > >>> > I would propose that for the time being Melissa remain as team contact. >>> > I would also propose that Peter Baker (aka jellyware) become a co team >>> > contact (or whatever the title is). Peter's role would be to work with >>> > Melissa and the community to develop consensus around a new plan for the >>> > LoCo. >>> > >>> > I am proposing Peter as he has been around the LoCo for a long time. He >>> > is also a computerbank committee member, so he has some knowledge about >>> > how FOSS groups work. He has also been active around LUV and SFD, while >>> > also running ubuntu.net.au. In my experience Peter has always been a >>> > model of how to live by the code of conduct in the ubuntu community. >>> > Unless things have changed in the last 6 months or so, Peter is not a >>> > power user, but he is a passionate user of ubuntu. >>> > >>> > I think that Peter is the best person to bring the group together, while >>> > Melissa has the experience to stop us making the same mistakes again. I >>> > thin the 2 of them would make a great time to move us forward. Keep in >>> > mind this is an interim arrangement. >>> > >>> > I think the first role of the new team should be to facilitate a >>> > discussion on the direction and objectives of the group, to be followed >>> > by how to structure the group. >>> > >>> > Cheers >>> > >>> > Dave >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > ubuntu-au mailing list >>> > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-au mailing list >>> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> >> >> >> -- >> www.peter.id.au >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> >> > > I also nominate peter for the roles outlined above. I'm not in > agreance with the other nomination, but since this, by very it's very > nature. seems to mean I (by default) am having a personal "attack" I > can do nothing but sit silently and agree. > Ugh, 3 Freudian slips in one small sentence. Don't post before your morning coffee! -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: A Transition Plan
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:49 AM, peter baker wrote: > hey guys > > I humbly accept the nomination, this suggestion has been added to the wiki > page for tonights meeting for team approval > > peter > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Chris Chinchilla > wrote: >> >> I've come back to work on Monday morning to find a lot of emails... I've >> got a bit lost trying to follow them all, but I'm keen to help out with an >> Australian loco in a small way, basically, whenever a date is sorted out for >> a meeting I'll try my best to attend and see what I can do... >> >> I know Peter well, if he has time and inclination, he has my vote to... >> >> >> >> On 16/05/2010, at 6:17 PM, Dave Hall wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I know some people on the list would like to see drastic actions being >> > taken to change/fix/revive/whatever the LoCo. I think now is the time >> > for cool heads and respectful discussion. >> > >> > I would propose that for the time being Melissa remain as team contact. >> > I would also propose that Peter Baker (aka jellyware) become a co team >> > contact (or whatever the title is). Peter's role would be to work with >> > Melissa and the community to develop consensus around a new plan for the >> > LoCo. >> > >> > I am proposing Peter as he has been around the LoCo for a long time. He >> > is also a computerbank committee member, so he has some knowledge about >> > how FOSS groups work. He has also been active around LUV and SFD, while >> > also running ubuntu.net.au. In my experience Peter has always been a >> > model of how to live by the code of conduct in the ubuntu community. >> > Unless things have changed in the last 6 months or so, Peter is not a >> > power user, but he is a passionate user of ubuntu. >> > >> > I think that Peter is the best person to bring the group together, while >> > Melissa has the experience to stop us making the same mistakes again. I >> > thin the 2 of them would make a great time to move us forward. Keep in >> > mind this is an interim arrangement. >> > >> > I think the first role of the new team should be to facilitate a >> > discussion on the direction and objectives of the group, to be followed >> > by how to structure the group. >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Dave >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ubuntu-au mailing list >> > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> > >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > > -- > www.peter.id.au > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > I also nominate peter for the roles outlined above. I'm not in agreance with the other nomination, but since this, by very it's very nature. seems to mean I (by default) am having a personal "attack" I can do nothing but sit silently and agree. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: A Transition Plan
hey guys I humbly accept the nomination, this suggestion has been added to the wiki page for tonights meeting for team approval peter On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Chris Chinchilla wrote: > I've come back to work on Monday morning to find a lot of emails... I've > got a bit lost trying to follow them all, but I'm keen to help out with an > Australian loco in a small way, basically, whenever a date is sorted out for > a meeting I'll try my best to attend and see what I can do... > > I know Peter well, if he has time and inclination, he has my vote to... > > > > On 16/05/2010, at 6:17 PM, Dave Hall wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I know some people on the list would like to see drastic actions being > > taken to change/fix/revive/whatever the LoCo. I think now is the time > > for cool heads and respectful discussion. > > > > I would propose that for the time being Melissa remain as team contact. > > I would also propose that Peter Baker (aka jellyware) become a co team > > contact (or whatever the title is). Peter's role would be to work with > > Melissa and the community to develop consensus around a new plan for the > > LoCo. > > > > I am proposing Peter as he has been around the LoCo for a long time. He > > is also a computerbank committee member, so he has some knowledge about > > how FOSS groups work. He has also been active around LUV and SFD, while > > also running ubuntu.net.au. In my experience Peter has always been a > > model of how to live by the code of conduct in the ubuntu community. > > Unless things have changed in the last 6 months or so, Peter is not a > > power user, but he is a passionate user of ubuntu. > > > > I think that Peter is the best person to bring the group together, while > > Melissa has the experience to stop us making the same mistakes again. I > > thin the 2 of them would make a great time to move us forward. Keep in > > mind this is an interim arrangement. > > > > I think the first role of the new team should be to facilitate a > > discussion on the direction and objectives of the group, to be followed > > by how to structure the group. > > > > Cheers > > > > Dave > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- www.peter.id.au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local activity suggestion: face-to-face technical gatherings
Hi Paul, What an good Idea ? (This is the constructive thinking that this group needs at the moment, instead of the finger pointing and veiled comments about certain members in this community from people who need serious attitude re- adjustments) Technical meetings are good things to have, as social gatherings should be just that (although technical question inevitably come up because of the nature of the beast). Now that we have established that there is a growing group of people in BRISBANE, that do use Ubuntu we can pursue these objectives. On your questions Paul, 1. Yes is a good thing and I would attend more than 2 meetings a year (There are two releases per year) 2. Yes I would consider giving a talk. 3. Tough one at the moment, a central location is good but other geographical areas would be better. (Maybe it could be rotational) 4. HUMBUG at the University of QLD, meet most of the criteria, however we would probably need to become members and liaise with their Executive. Public libraries are good venues (usually have free meeting rooms), however I'm not sure about Internet connectivity. Other thoughts: 1. Could you put your thoughts on the WIKI under the Brisbane sub- page (so we have a permanent record of them) 2. Another meeting type that we should consider is though IRC. If we could hijack the ubuntu-au channel for one evening per month so we could have a live discussion about BRISBANE issues. GO BRISBANE lets lead the way! Cheers, Andrew G. On May 16, 3:23 pm, Paul Gear wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've enjoyed the face-to-face meetings we've had in Brisbane recently > [1][2], and i'm wondering if a valuable activity leading back towards > re-approval might be to hold technical gatherings more regularly (i'm > thinking monthly, in the months where we don't have the social > meetings). Some initial thoughts on about such meetings: > > * Location: > o family-friendly venue > o central location > o free parking > o close to public transport > o easy access to coffee/food (or at least facilities to > prepare such) > o free/very cheap wireless Internet access > o preferably a local Ubuntu mirror > * Activities: > o install-fests > o informal technical talks about things we're working on > o share problems or concerns and try to solve them > o accessible to all levels of technical expertise (no elitist > developers excluding newbies) > o open to potential Ubuntu users as well as actual Ubuntu users > o log our actions on IRC and/or wiki > > I would be willing to organise something like this on a semi-regular > basis (say once per quarter). I'm sure i could talk my church into > hosting it, but it fails on the central location, and the ADSL speed is > not great. > > A few questions for you all to ponder: > > * Is this a useful thing? Would you attend more than 1 meeting per > year? > * Would you be willing to contribute an informal talk if you did attend? > * Would a central location be essential, or would multiple meetings > in different geographical areas work better? > * Do you know of any good venues? > * Any other thoughts/suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, > Paul > > [1]http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/69 > [2]http://www.ubuntu.org.au/brisbane-lucid-release-party > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > paul.vcf > < 1KViewDownload > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ubuntu-Au" group. > To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: A Transition Plan
I've come back to work on Monday morning to find a lot of emails... I've got a bit lost trying to follow them all, but I'm keen to help out with an Australian loco in a small way, basically, whenever a date is sorted out for a meeting I'll try my best to attend and see what I can do... I know Peter well, if he has time and inclination, he has my vote to... On 16/05/2010, at 6:17 PM, Dave Hall wrote: > Hi all, > > I know some people on the list would like to see drastic actions being > taken to change/fix/revive/whatever the LoCo. I think now is the time > for cool heads and respectful discussion. > > I would propose that for the time being Melissa remain as team contact. > I would also propose that Peter Baker (aka jellyware) become a co team > contact (or whatever the title is). Peter's role would be to work with > Melissa and the community to develop consensus around a new plan for the > LoCo. > > I am proposing Peter as he has been around the LoCo for a long time. He > is also a computerbank committee member, so he has some knowledge about > how FOSS groups work. He has also been active around LUV and SFD, while > also running ubuntu.net.au. In my experience Peter has always been a > model of how to live by the code of conduct in the ubuntu community. > Unless things have changed in the last 6 months or so, Peter is not a > power user, but he is a passionate user of ubuntu. > > I think that Peter is the best person to bring the group together, while > Melissa has the experience to stop us making the same mistakes again. I > thin the 2 of them would make a great time to move us forward. Keep in > mind this is an interim arrangement. > > I think the first role of the new team should be to facilitate a > discussion on the direction and objectives of the group, to be followed > by how to structure the group. > > Cheers > > Dave > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Local activity suggestion: face-to-face technical gatherings
Hi folks, I've enjoyed the face-to-face meetings we've had in Brisbane recently [1][2], and i'm wondering if a valuable activity leading back towards re-approval might be to hold technical gatherings more regularly (i'm thinking monthly, in the months where we don't have the social meetings). Some initial thoughts on about such meetings: * Location: o family-friendly venue o central location o free parking o close to public transport o easy access to coffee/food (or at least facilities to prepare such) o free/very cheap wireless Internet access o preferably a local Ubuntu mirror * Activities: o install-fests o informal technical talks about things we're working on o share problems or concerns and try to solve them o accessible to all levels of technical expertise (no elitist developers excluding newbies) o open to potential Ubuntu users as well as actual Ubuntu users o log our actions on IRC and/or wiki I would be willing to organise something like this on a semi-regular basis (say once per quarter). I'm sure i could talk my church into hosting it, but it fails on the central location, and the ADSL speed is not great. A few questions for you all to ponder: * Is this a useful thing? Would you attend more than 1 meeting per year? * Would you be willing to contribute an informal talk if you did attend? * Would a central location be essential, or would multiple meetings in different geographical areas work better? * Do you know of any good venues? * Any other thoughts/suggestions? Thanks in advance, Paul [1] http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/69 [2] http://www.ubuntu.org.au/brisbane-lucid-release-party <>-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: A Transition Plan
On 16/05/2010, at 6:17 PM, Dave Hall wrote: > I am proposing Peter as he has been around the LoCo for a long time. He > is also a computerbank committee member, so he has some knowledge about > how FOSS groups work. He has also been active around LUV and SFD, while > also running ubuntu.net.au. In my experience Peter has always been a > model of how to live by the code of conduct in the ubuntu community. > Unless things have changed in the last 6 months or so, Peter is not a > power user, but he is a passionate user of ubuntu. There's that notion that you have to be an expert software engineer to be a worthy contributor. > I think that Peter is the best person to bring the group together, while > Melissa has the experience to stop us making the same mistakes again. That's a quite funny, yes, Melissa has superb experience at mistakes. > I > thin the 2 of them would make a great time to move us forward. Keep in > mind this is an interim arrangement. > > I think the first role of the new team should be to facilitate a > discussion on the direction and objectives of the group, to be followed > by how to structure the group. Sounds as good as anyone else's plan, add it to the official meetings agenda, and discuss it at the official meeting. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: A Transition Plan
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 19:12 +1000, James Beake wrote: > > > On 16 May 2010 18:17, Dave Hall wrote: > I would propose that for the time being Melissa remain as team > contact. > I would also propose that Peter Baker (aka jellyware) become a > co team > contact (or whatever the title is). Peter's role would be to > work with > Melissa and the community to develop consensus around a new > plan for the > LoCo. > > > > Dave are you able to explain to the uninitiated exactly what the role > of the (co) team contact is? What duties will Peter be sharing with > Melissa I would leave it to them to work out who would take on what. Their focus would be on the workplan I have already proposed. I don't want to impose a deadline on them completing this work as it is a volunteer thing and it takes time to build consensus. At the same time I don't want to see it drag on for a year or anything like that. > I think that Peter is the best person to bring the group > together, while > Melissa has the experience to stop us making the same mistakes > again. I > thin the 2 of them would make a great time to move us > forward. Keep in > mind this is an interim arrangement. > > > Is Peter happy with this nomination? Have you discussed this with him? In the wee hours of this morning I chatted very briefly with Melissa about this and she didn't raise any real objections, but I didn't spell out a plan as detailed as I have here. I also emailed Peter before I went to bed, he replied this morning indicating that he would consider taking on such a role. I have little interest in engaging with either of them in lengthy off list discussion about how I though this should work. That is something for them to sort out and also for the community to discuss - publicly. > I think the first role of the new team should be to facilitate > a > discussion on the direction and objectives of the group, to be > followed > by how to structure the group. > > > In principle I'm all for any process that will clear the air and get > us all pulling in the same direction. This is exactly the reason why I have proposed this arrangement. Keep in mind this is a temporary arrangement to get things working again. The discussion _facilitated_ by Melissa and Peter should be aiming to bring people together around a shared vision for the group. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: A Transition Plan
On 16 May 2010 18:17, Dave Hall wrote: > Hi all, > > I know some people on the list would like to see drastic actions being > taken to change/fix/revive/whatever the LoCo. I think now is the time > for cool heads and respectful discussion. > > I would propose that for the time being Melissa remain as team contact. > I would also propose that Peter Baker (aka jellyware) become a co team > contact (or whatever the title is). Peter's role would be to work with > Melissa and the community to develop consensus around a new plan for the > LoCo. > > Dave are you able to explain to the uninitiated exactly what the role of the (co) team contact is? What duties will Peter be sharing with Melissa I am proposing Peter as he has been around the LoCo for a long time. He > is also a computerbank committee member, so he has some knowledge about > how FOSS groups work. He has also been active around LUV and SFD, while > also running ubuntu.net.au. In my experience Peter has always been a > model of how to live by the code of conduct in the ubuntu community. > Unless things have changed in the last 6 months or so, Peter is not a > power user, but he is a passionate user of ubuntu. > > I think that Peter is the best person to bring the group together, while > Melissa has the experience to stop us making the same mistakes again. I > thin the 2 of them would make a great time to move us forward. Keep in > mind this is an interim arrangement. > > Is Peter happy with this nomination? Have you discussed this with him? > I think the first role of the new team should be to facilitate a > discussion on the direction and objectives of the group, to be followed > by how to structure the group. > > In principle I'm all for any process that will clear the air and get us all pulling in the same direction. James -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: A Transition Plan
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Dave Hall wrote: > Hi all, > > I know some people on the list would like to see drastic actions being > taken to change/fix/revive/whatever the LoCo. I think now is the time > for cool heads and respectful discussion. > > I would propose that for the time being Melissa remain as team contact. > I would also propose that Peter Baker (aka jellyware) become a co team > contact (or whatever the title is). Peter's role would be to work with > Melissa and the community to develop consensus around a new plan for the > LoCo. I'd second that nomination in a instant if this suggestion was formalised. On the open source calendar, I believe that the next event is Software Freedom Day in less than 17 weeks. Perhaps we can work with the various user groups to further the Ubuntu userbase on that day? Regards George -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
A Transition Plan
Hi all, I know some people on the list would like to see drastic actions being taken to change/fix/revive/whatever the LoCo. I think now is the time for cool heads and respectful discussion. I would propose that for the time being Melissa remain as team contact. I would also propose that Peter Baker (aka jellyware) become a co team contact (or whatever the title is). Peter's role would be to work with Melissa and the community to develop consensus around a new plan for the LoCo. I am proposing Peter as he has been around the LoCo for a long time. He is also a computerbank committee member, so he has some knowledge about how FOSS groups work. He has also been active around LUV and SFD, while also running ubuntu.net.au. In my experience Peter has always been a model of how to live by the code of conduct in the ubuntu community. Unless things have changed in the last 6 months or so, Peter is not a power user, but he is a passionate user of ubuntu. I think that Peter is the best person to bring the group together, while Melissa has the experience to stop us making the same mistakes again. I thin the 2 of them would make a great time to move us forward. Keep in mind this is an interim arrangement. I think the first role of the new team should be to facilitate a discussion on the direction and objectives of the group, to be followed by how to structure the group. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
