11.04 now available through www.ubuntu.net.au
hey fellow ubuntu lovers goto www.ubuntu.net.au to get your ubunutu 32/64, kubuntu 32/64 and ubuntu netbook cds. $3 each including shipping anwhere in oz peter -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04 now available through www.ubuntu.net.au
Cool, ordered. That should save me 700Mb of bandwidth for this month I've been downloading betas and other distros :-( Chris From: peter baker jellyw...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 9:50:26 AM Subject:11.04 now available through www.ubuntu.net.au hey fellow ubuntu lovers goto www.ubuntu.net.au to get your ubunutu 32/64, kubuntu 32/64 and ubuntu netbook cds. $3 each including shipping anwhere in oz peter-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
On 16 April 2011 05:51, IKT noname...@gmail.com wrote: Downloaded the Beta 2 and gave it a go, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/762125 No good, booting onto the live cd results in a frozen desktop which slowly reboots itself. Sounds like they need more time to get it right. Perhaps time to push back the release date? Unity still won't work on my older laptop. :( MoLE -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 08:13:31 +0930 MoLE moleonthehill+ubuntu...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 April 2011 05:51, IKT noname...@gmail.com wrote: Downloaded the Beta 2 and gave it a go, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/762125 No good, booting onto the live cd results in a frozen desktop which slowly reboots itself. Sounds like they need more time to get it right. Perhaps time to push back the release date? Unity still won't work on my older laptop. :( Unity needs 3D acceleration graphic support. On older laptop(hardware) you can install Unity2D as a separate install from synaptic (or apt-get) - It may not have the same level of customisability, but its ok, as far as Unity is concerned, but I still am not *yet* a fan of Unity. I will however give it a serious go when it is out, as I am open to forward conversion! (as a general philosophy in life!! :) Daniel MoLE -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. For All your Open Source and IT requirements see: www.greenwareit.com.au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
On 16 April 2011 10:52, danyJ danyj...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 08:13:31 +0930 MoLE moleonthehill+ubuntu...@gmail.com wrote: Unity still won't work on my older laptop. :( Unity needs 3D acceleration graphic support. On older laptop(hardware) you can install Unity2D as a separate install from synaptic (or apt-get) - It may not have the same level of customisability, but its ok, as far as Unity is concerned, but I still am not *yet* a fan of Unity. I will however give it a serious go when it is out, as I am open to forward conversion! (as a general philosophy in life!! :) Interesting that on my laptop, I've not had any trouble running compiz in any form previously (see my previous post) and my hardware would appear to be more than capable of handling what unity is supposed to be doing. My google-fu must be failing me, but I've been unable to find a list of supported 3d chipsets for Unity listed anywhere. It seems that in Natty, unity 2d isn't the automatic fallback from Unity for non-capable hardware - I just get dumped into classic Gnome without any explanation. Does one need to manually install unity-2d if unity3d fails? I have filed a bug on this in launchpad. If anyone experiences the same issue, please have a look. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/758747 If anyone has seen a list of unity-supported hardware, then I'd appreciate a link. Cheers, MoLE -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
On 16 April 2011 11:12, MoLE moleonthehill+ubuntu...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone has seen a list of unity-supported hardware, then I'd appreciate a link. Answered my own question: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/UnityHardwareRequirements MoLE -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
On Friday, April 08, 2011 03:10:39 PM Stephen Rees-Carter wrote: Just curious, but have the people who don't like Unity tried Gnome-Shell (AKA Gnome 3)? What are your thoughts on that, it's usability, design, etc? gnome shell is basically an android (touch phone) like interface interface!!! I for one have a PC not an android... Its ok. Its not ready... just like Unity. I think it would have similar usability issues to the ones I've heard raised about Unity. It is also completely different to classic gnome, which I expect would cause issues since most people don't like change. Thanks, ~Stephen On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 08/04/11 14:04, Boden Matthews wrote: Unity, bloody Unity! It's ugly, horrible and naff, get rid of it! If you install GNOME and remove Unity at the same time, GNOME works perfectly. Regards, Boden Matthews Sent from my DET craptop Gnome is not QUITE the same as in Maverick but it is certainly most usable. However, the word is that the next version of Ubuntu (11.10) won't have gnome at all (and which is why I am right now trying out openSUSE 11.4). BC -- I believe what I am programmed to believe. A robot in Futuruma -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Hello I installed 11.04 about a week ago. I tend to share a lot of Chris Robinsons experience and opinion. In my long years of using GUI's I have to say I am find Unity the less intuitive to adjust to. Have tried all the Windows flavors (except Win 7), Apple/Mac, OS/2, several Linux desktops (KDE, Gnome, Xfce, Icewvm, lxed, and several lightweight ones) but Unity is the one that beats me!! 1. Not very configurable, or if it is, it is not intuitively/obviously so. I still have not worked out how to configure out the Launcher panel (add or remove stuff) and if it takes too long to figure out, its bad. I would also like it to hide away, or be smaller. But I can see why other users like it, if they like the launcher paradigm. Perhaps when it is more configurable, I might start to convert to it. I am back to using 11.04 with Gnome and I think it is great. Yes I think there will be a lot of disatisfied users. But they will always be able to go back to Gnome. But 11.10 will be the issue when Gnome will not be availale. May be more users will then try Kubuntu? Cheers Daniel. (BTW: My first post here). Daniel Jitnah Melbourne, Australia e: djit...@greenwareit.com.au w: www.greenwareit.com.au SIP: dj-...@ekiga.net -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. For All your Open Source and IT requirements see: www.greenwareit.com.au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
On 7 April 2011 23:13, IKT noname...@gmail.com wrote: Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? I've been testing natty since the early alphas on an older Acer Laptop that I no longer use for production work. Reading the discussion about the Unity interface has been enlightening for me - mainly because I have never seen it on this machine - either in 2d or 3d incarnations. In terms of a Gnome offering, it is certainly slick. Getting used to the alterations in the applets (the new all-in-one type) has been a bit of a challenge, but learning is part of the alpha-beta-rc testing cycle. I am disappointed that this release is the first ubuntu release (since 04.10) that I haven't been able to get working in it's default configuration on this laptop. I don't believe it's a hardware issue, as I've never had problems running compiz in all it's forms on this particular laptop. For those that are interested it's an rv250 model radeon card, which has been supported in kernel / x for many years. http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon#head-8ad75f5b8c858723a20706910cabcef7ed6d336c I'm a huge ubuntu fanboy, I've used it since the beginning. Ubuntu enabled my family to finally get away from Windows, but I'm hoping this isn't the end for us. I will continue to play with natty, and I hope that I will eventually see unity in some form on my hardware. I'm not giving up yet, but the seeds of doubt have been planted. I look forward to the next round of bugfixes - each batch of updates gives me hope. :-) Cheers, MoLE -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
11.04
Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? - ikt -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
On 07/04/2011 23:43, IKT wrote: Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? - ikt If you stay away from Unity then it is acceptable. BC -- I believe what I am programmed to believe. A robot in Futuruma -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Unity 3D is OK to play with, but I hate it for any serious work. I thought I might get to like it, but actually like it less now that I've been using it for a while. The main problems are that there is no longer a task bar, which will force you to change the way you switch between applications, and the lack of (or broken functionality of) OO on the launcher. The lack of configurability of the launcher is also a serious oversight. I've never liked launcher or application docks, and whenever I've tried them they never lasted more than a few hours or a day on my system. Unity is launcher based supplemented with a clumsy panel. I think this is a step backwards for Ubuntu. Note that if you can't run Unity 3D because of graphics card issues, Unity 2D has a serious bug which may eat your memory: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/723956 If you look at the bug report, you'll see that I managed to get the memory usage of module unity-2d-places up to 540 Mb (30Mb nominal usage) quite easily. The temporary fix is to end the module unity-2d-places so that the memory gets released back to the pool. The module will re-load when you open the panel again. My advice would be to stay with 10.04 LTS or 10.10 whichever you prefer, at least for a few months after 11.04 release, or stay with the classic Gnome interface. Hopefully Unity will be more functional by the release of 11.10, because the classic interface will not ship with that release. There's going to be a lot of squarking about Unity when 11.04 is released and I'm not sure I like the direction it's going. Mark Shuttleworth seems quite pleased with it however. Chris. From: IKT noname...@gmail.com To: Ubuntu AU List ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Thu, 7 April, 2011 11:43:15 PM Subject: 11.04 Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? - ikt-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Hi ikt, I've been using Unity full-time on my laptop and desktop for a couple of weeks now and I love it. I posted a mini-review on my website that you might find interesting: http://stephen.rees-carter.net/2011/03/upgraded-to-ubuntu-natty/ I've always turned off the task bar and used the little panel menu for switching between applications, so the concerns that Chris has don't count for me. I've found the launcher very easy to use, and the keyboard shortcuts make it easy to do things without using the mouse at all. The Lenses/Dash/overlays also make it simple to find applications and files using the keyboard, or mouse. It's still buggy and I wouldn't recommend upgrading on a primary machine you aren't happy rebuilding every so often (I've already done it once on my laptop!). Curiously enough, it runs perfectly well on my desktop machine which previously had issues with 10.04 and 10.10. My laptop also runs really nicely, but since it's got a weird NVIDIA graphics card, I sometimes get problems with the dodgy NVIDIA drivers not working too well. I wouldn't recommend upgrading on a machine you aren't happy rebuilding if it breaks - I have a separate /home directory so I can format the root dir and keep all my files and settings. So, to answer your question, I think Unity is great and I recommend you try it and see what you think. It's not for everyone, and you may hate it, but you also may love it. It really depends on your preferences for a desktop environment. I hope that helps :) Thanks, ~Stephen P.s. Unity Keyboard Shortcuts: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts On 07/04/2011 11:43 PM, IKT noname...@gmail.com wrote: Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? - ikt -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Hello list, I have only briefly been able to play with it and i'm still not that sure about it. I've managed to set up btrfs and encryption but i did come accross an installer bug that did not specify the right linux command options to allow it to boot. On the drivers / hardware side things have improved and i am now able to use 3d programs including unity with the open source nouveau drivers. One thing that i do not like is gnome 3 is completely broken and from what i have read you cannot have an install with both unity and gnome 3 as they conflict with eachother. Regards, Daniel -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
From: Joel Pickett jpick...@une.edu.au Sent: Fri, 8 April, 2011 10:00:47 AM Subject: Re: 11.04 I've been using Unity/Ubuntu 11.04 as a dual boot with Windows 7 for about 3 weeks now (since it's successfully booted/installed on my machine). I'm loving Unity, however it did take some getting used to and will still take I'm feeling in the minority here. :-) some time to become a ninja at all the keyboard shortcuts. I'm now using Which is also one of the problems I have with the Unity concept - a GUI whose most efficient mode of use is the keyboard... and is so counter-intuitive that you need a list of instructions and time to become familiar with them. Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with keyboard shortcuts, but in this case they are required since the alternatives can be quite painful. Also consider those with disabilities - I've seen people who have trouble with ninja type multiple key combinations, but they get to be able to slide a mouse around and click pretty good. Yes, there's sticky keys, but _I_ wouldn't like to have to rely on them. multiple desktops, since most of my application use is full-screen using the global menu. I'm finding that I don't really need to use the File Edit I also found that Unity forced me to use multiple workspaces where I never have before. It isn't that it makes things easier, but that it's better than the alternatives... And the most efficient method of switching is still a keyboard operation though I have not problem with mouse method. Now open Nautilus in one workspace and an application in another, try to to drag/drop a file into the application. ;-) Another thing that Unity is not handling gracefully at the moment is applications that have several data windows open. Selecting the application only selects either the first window or the last used one. There's also applications that have several panel windows themselves, and one or more quite often get left behind. In it's current incarnation Unity also looks like a Mac screen that's been draw with crayons. I'm not really hung up on the appearance but at least with classic interface the lack of style is unimportant - I can show friends an impressive demonstration of what Ubuntu can do. It was these frustrations that spoiled the Unity/11.04 experience for me, enough to try some other distros and ultimately to decide to stay with 10.04 LTS for the time being. Hopefully Unity will mature into something usable for me, but it's going to take some real genius to overcome its shortcomings. Roll on, 11.10 Chris. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Unity, bloody Unity! It's ugly, horrible and naff, get rid of it! If you install GNOME and remove Unity at the same time, GNOME works perfectly. Regards, Boden Matthews Sent from my DET craptop -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
First off, I think it is important that I say that I'm the Ubuntu desktop manager working for Canonical. Even so, these are my views and my personal opinionstake them for what they are worth. I've used all manner of desktops over the past couple of years (all Windows, OSX, Gnome2/3, KDE, XFCE...heck, I even tried Bodhi w/ Enlightenment) and using Unity for the past several months day-in and day-out makes me appreciate it more and more. I tend to customize quite a bit and do quite a bit w/ compiz that most might not (I do keep a stock machine just so I can always test the default experience) but I was amazed at how quickly Super, Super-# and Super-s became part of my workflow. Out of the box, Unity is by far the most usable desktop I've used, especially when you consider everything you get under the hood with compiz. I also like the look-and-feel of Unity (admittedly, I like to install an icon pack, Faenza...I think Unity looks Fan-freakin'-tastic w/ the Faenza icons installed), which is probably debatable to some people...just my opinion. Other things I really like in Natty are getting 'System Settings' for a one-stop-shop configuration area. Also like Banshee quite a bit and the new Firefox is really quite nice. U1 is is also VASTLY improved (not just the icon ;) ) and I find myself using U1 more and more and dropbox less and less (nothing wrong w/ dropbox...just dogfooding here and since U1 has gotten so good, there seems no need to keep Dropbox around). And LibreOffice w/ lo-menubar installed is great. Things I'm not as pleased with are that more apps haven't updated to indicators from systray. I still like to have those there and I wish more apps updated to indicators. Perhaps by 11.10 we can get more to move to indicators and I'll be a happy camper. Just my $.02 -Jason On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:13 PM, IKT noname...@gmail.com wrote: Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? - ikt -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
On 08/04/11 14:04, Boden Matthews wrote: Unity, bloody Unity! It's ugly, horrible and naff, get rid of it! If you install GNOME and remove Unity at the same time, GNOME works perfectly. Regards, Boden Matthews Sent from my DET craptop Gnome is not QUITE the same as in Maverick but it is certainly most usable. However, the word is that the next version of Ubuntu (11.10) won't have gnome at all (and which is why I am right now trying out openSUSE 11.4). BC -- I believe what I am programmed to believe. A robot in Futuruma -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Just curious, but have the people who don't like Unity tried Gnome-Shell (AKA Gnome 3)? What are your thoughts on that, it's usability, design, etc? I think it would have similar usability issues to the ones I've heard raised about Unity. It is also completely different to classic gnome, which I expect would cause issues since most people don't like change. Thanks, ~Stephen On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 08/04/11 14:04, Boden Matthews wrote: Unity, bloody Unity! It's ugly, horrible and naff, get rid of it! If you install GNOME and remove Unity at the same time, GNOME works perfectly. Regards, Boden Matthews Sent from my DET craptop Gnome is not QUITE the same as in Maverick but it is certainly most usable. However, the word is that the next version of Ubuntu (11.10) won't have gnome at all (and which is why I am right now trying out openSUSE 11.4). BC -- I believe what I am programmed to believe. A robot in Futuruma -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- Stephen Rees-Carter ~ Valorin http://stephen.rees-carter.net/ -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Ubuntu Natty Narwhal (11.04) - My Thoughts
Hey all, I just thought I'd pop by and give some thoughts about Natty Narwhal Alpha 1. I do like the new font, and the updated version of Rhythmbox. But there is one thing I absolutely HATE about Natty. Unity. Horrible, annoying and impossible to use on anything with no touchscreen. Why, oh why Canonical, did you choose friggin' UNITY for a DESKTOP version of Ubuntu?! GNOME is a lot better, to me Unity makes Ubuntu look like a skinned version of Mac OSX. Which I also hate. I am removing Unity and installing GNOME as we speak, hopefully GNOME will work fine. Regards, Boden Matthews -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
My Thoughts on Natty Narwhal Alpha 1 (11.04)
Hey all, I just thought I'd pop by and give some thoughts about Natty Narwhal Alpha 1. I do like the new font, and the updated version of Rhythmbox. But there is one thing I absolutely HATE about Natty. Unity. Horrible,annoying and impossible to use on anything with no touchscreen. Why, oh why Canonical, did you choose friggin' UNITY for a DESKTOP version of Ubuntu?! GNOME is a lot better, to me Unity makes Ubuntu look like a skinned version of Mac OSX. Which I also hate. I am removing Unity and installing GNOME as we speak, hopefully GNOME will work fine. sudo endrant Regards, Boden Matthews -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
