Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On 18/05/2010, at 6:37 AM, Paul Gear wrote: > On 17/05/10 23:19, bwright wrote: >> Yes for me we need to have an official Australian LoCo we can't just >> be cut off from Ubuntu as an entire country :/ >> >> > > Who says we're cut off? My laptop seems to be fairly well connected to > Ubuntu... ;-) > > > My point is that we don't need a LoCo to do stuff, and having a LoCo seems to > have more costs (mostly in time & effort) than benefits (mostly in image & > perception) at the moment. Regardless, the old ubuntu-au wasn't functioning well. There's lots of energy now, so maybe some points in the re-approval email will get addressed, and the new ubuntu-au, regardless of approval status, will be better than the old. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On 17/05/10 23:19, bwright wrote: Yes for me we need to have an official Australian LoCo we can't just be cut off from Ubuntu as an entire country :/ Who says we're cut off? My laptop seems to be fairly well connected to Ubuntu... ;-) My point is that we don't need a LoCo to do stuff, and having a LoCo seems to have more costs (mostly in time & effort) than benefits (mostly in image & perception) at the moment. Paul <>-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Yes for me we need to have an official Australian LoCo we can't just be cut off from Ubuntu as an entire country :/ On May 16, 2:43 pm, Paul Gear wrote: > On 14/05/10 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: > > > > > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > > have to be involved. > > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > > willing to get involved: > > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > Part of this may be a perverse need on my part to differentiate myself > from the crowd ;-) but i feel compelled to be the first NO. > > Now, let me qualify that a little: the LoCo council has refused > re-approval because they believe we're not in a position to be a LoCo at > the moment. I think their concerns are justified. I say it's time to > hit the pause button, take a few deep breaths (quite a few, actually), > get some positive grass-roots action happening, and come back to discuss > this again when we have a few more months of getting along well with > each other under our collective belt. > > I asked on IRC the other night and i haven't yet been given any reason > that we /absolutely require/ an approved LoCo in order to do the things > we want to do. (As far as i can tell, we won't immediately lose our > mailing list, web site, IRC channel, or anything like that.) Sure, some > things might be /better/ with a LoCo, but we don't /need/ one in order > to work together. > > Not only that, we're actually a bit lacking in actual ideas for local > promotion of Ubuntu. My perception is that most of what people are > calling for at the moment is just nailing down structure. I ask: even > if the structure is set up ideally to your liking, what then? What will > you do with that ideal structure? Why not start making positive > contributions now, without the ideal structure? (My next email will > contain my suggestion for one such grass-roots action.) > > Regards, > Paul > > P.S. Harrisony: i want my $5. :-P > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > paul.vcf > < 1KViewDownload > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ubuntu-Au" group. > To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On 14/05/10 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) Part of this may be a perverse need on my part to differentiate myself from the crowd ;-) but i feel compelled to be the first NO. Now, let me qualify that a little: the LoCo council has refused re-approval because they believe we're not in a position to be a LoCo at the moment. I think their concerns are justified. I say it's time to hit the pause button, take a few deep breaths (quite a few, actually), get some positive grass-roots action happening, and come back to discuss this again when we have a few more months of getting along well with each other under our collective belt. I asked on IRC the other night and i haven't yet been given any reason that we /absolutely require/ an approved LoCo in order to do the things we want to do. (As far as i can tell, we won't immediately lose our mailing list, web site, IRC channel, or anything like that.) Sure, some things might be /better/ with a LoCo, but we don't /need/ one in order to work together. Not only that, we're actually a bit lacking in actual ideas for local promotion of Ubuntu. My perception is that most of what people are calling for at the moment is just nailing down structure. I ask: even if the structure is set up ideally to your liking, what then? What will you do with that ideal structure? Why not start making positive contributions now, without the ideal structure? (My next email will contain my suggestion for one such grass-roots action.) Regards, Paul P.S. Harrisony: i want my $5. :-P <>-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
I may not have been a very active contributor (due to time constraints with high school), but I certainly don't want to see the Australian Ubuntu LoCo disappear. Definitely a Yes from me. Joel Addison On 14/05/10 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Another Yes from me. Regards George -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Each downfall is also a new start a big yes Ferdinand -Original Message- From: Lisa Milne To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:03:25 +1000 Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- Lisa Milne -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
-Original Message- That question should be directed at those who undermined the reapproval. The decent and honest thing to do would have been to CCed the list their correspondence with the LoCo council, just as Melissa did. I have real concerns about working with people who can't be up front and honest. Cheers Dave In what way did people undermine anything? nothing was happening! Be honest, nothing has happened within ubuntu-au since I've been involved (2008) So I can't see how some that wanted to try to change, can be blamed for wanting to "do" something... After all were we not told that if you wanted to do something, just do it. Now you can't have it both ways... Scott Evans VK7HSE Phone: +61362291658 Mobile: +61417586157 Skype: vk7hse sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org PGP/GPG Key ID 2B8CA152 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 14:24 +0930, Robert Farrar wrote: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > > > yes or no? > > > > (yes from me) Probably. I think a lot of the work can be done without an official loco. At the same time the official status is important for some things. > Yes there should be. > > Why do people not want one ? That question should be directed at those who undermined the reapproval. The decent and honest thing to do would have been to CCed the list their correspondence with the LoCo council, just as Melissa did. I have real concerns about working with people who can't be up front and honest. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
yes +1 On 14 May 2010 13:33, Lisa Milne wrote: > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > -- > Lisa Milne > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them" - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
RE: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
YES! YES! YES! Ryan Macnish > Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:03:25 +1000 > From: l...@ltmnet.com > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > -- > Lisa Milne > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On 14 May 2010 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > Yes -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/05/10 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > Definitely a big yes from me too! Mitch Towner (kermiac) http://mitchtowner.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL7PNoAAoJENegJk0fbKNMv8MH/0oVbN5WQWnCBvyiEtFEemCG nEVOtXAsTk6hAfQygtraC7XB9r8Q4ArC5SMMjhRuojqAokKSoNxA/L6DEl9/+wnU KeRe20UAZMera2Ii0IOhtOEaaMoxz2fF86UN83Bl7RjAJrxzDHdHuToBqTMgfsXi lmazlTRmWol+a8f4RyOPhkfsnKE3F6muZqS4XCOOBH98CJYF7sMJKRqfbFfNjGgd hjsQcvRDYg1cusHqOIiMAfRKyKdQxnuOD7rkhHbKX+U46dHe4c9oubepbTZ0Vvi0 YPZOMSkEzGxBCG4xVnDPY2cib3YbtAQK8o4LFZqCSJDsJvUWbopaQMnscGPsiFw= =tKAs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
It's a yes from me -- Regards,| Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth| Webmaster & IT Chairman Ipswich, Australia | http://www.lionsq3.org.au On Fri, 14 May 2010, Lisa Milne wrote: > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Yes On 14/05/10 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > -- Stephen Rees-Carter - Valorin http://valorin.net/ -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Lisa Milne wrote: > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > Yes there should be. Why do people not want one ? -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Even though I'm not as involved as I could be I'd still like to see an Australian LoCo just so there are people out there providing support and promoting ubuntu and open source in general to the people of Australia. So yes. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Lisa Milne wrote: > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > -- > Lisa Milne > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
...and YES from me. On 14 May 2010 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > -- > Lisa Milne > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
-Original Message- From: Lisa Milne To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:03:25 +1000 Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? Well YES! :-) Scott Evans VK7HSE Phone: +61362291658 Mobile: +61417586157 Skype: vk7hse sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org PGP/GPG Key ID 2B8CA152 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Yes +1 Vote. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Lisa Milne wrote: > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > have to be involved. > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > willing to get involved: > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > -- > Lisa Milne > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- Lisa Milne -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
