Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 12:26 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Paul Gear Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... :-) Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au: there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course) it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks. (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.) - Jeff I'd be interested in this, even if it's just a few hours on the Sunday before the conference it would be useful to meet up. If we can't be bothered organising that i would like to meet up and have a meal with other people from the loco some time in the conference. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
Why do people find structure so critical to a community. We are a group of people interested in Ubuntu and the progression of Ubuntu in Australia. Do we need to hold conferences with minutes and boards? None of this is at all binding so how can you expect anyone who does not get their voted leader in to at all follow any rules set by the leaders or follow any policy they disagree with? Pretty much you have no way of enforcing users comply to any of your demands. In my opinion the only viable option is to act as a community and not a company and let the community participate in activities they wish to participate in. I am prepared to participate in a constructive way to improve Ubuntu and open source and free software. I am not prepared to sit at an AGM. Just my 2 cents. But then again a conference would be cool if we could talk about tech? Such a strange idea. On Jun 10, 7:49 pm, Daniel Sobey dns_ser...@yahoo.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 12:26 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Paul Gear Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... :-) Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au: there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course) it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks. (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.) - Jeff I'd be interested in this, even if it's just a few hours on the Sunday before the conference it would be useful to meet up. If we can't be bothered organising that i would like to meet up and have a meal with other people from the loco some time in the conference. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Metrocracy vs democracy
Colin, Yes an 'Elected' board/council could appoint people to roles based on 'Merit'. Andrew G. On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 09:28 +1000, colin mcdermott wrote: There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to positions based on merit every 12 months. When people nominate for positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco. Isn't this pretty much standard! I mean Ubuntu is not a four person project, it is not a small flash in a pan thing that someone has whipped out of their backyard. Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there. There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this: Ubuntu is not a four person Distribution. Ubuntu is open source, it is free to all and it's governance is (nay should be) transperant. Microsoft is a commercial product, it's governance is closed. While I can have input into the product, I have no vote nor control on how it is designed. Once a board is elected that board can appoint people to perform tasks, take roles, assign goals, do as it feels. I know that you will see members drop off from the board, but the board can replace them as they see fit. The board would be free from the election for most if not all of the year, but it will be heald to public account! Why do people fear a fair election? Sincerely Colin McDermott -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
quote who=colin mcdermott Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there. There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this: Why not arrange an Ubuntu event before linux.conf.au (being one of the best Free Software conferences in the world and our biggest and brightest FLOSS event)... although in recent years separate single-distro miniconfs have not been selected, there is always the option of holding a special event before the conference proper (much like FOMS). Just a thought. Go where the people are and all. - Jeff -- Ubuntu's Bleeding Edge http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ No match for LINUSWEARSTHEPANTS.ORG. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
RE: Metrocracy vs democracy
Andrew, None of us really want a meritocracy, but we want the same structure that option 1a gives us. It was named the wrong way apparently, which is why you probably think we are all going with a meritocracy, but we are not. I thought everyone already agreed on a model of election. But it seems we haven't just yet, this is something that should be discussed next meeting. Ryan Macnish Subject: Re: Metrocracy vs democracy From: gande...@gmail.com To: colinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:34:05 +1000 CC: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Colin, Yes an 'Elected' board/council could appoint people to roles based on 'Merit'. Andrew G. On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 09:28 +1000, colin mcdermott wrote: There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to positions based on merit every 12 months. When people nominate for positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco. Isn't this pretty much standard! I mean Ubuntu is not a four person project, it is not a small flash in a pan thing that someone has whipped out of their backyard. Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there. There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this: Ubuntu is not a four person Distribution. Ubuntu is open source, it is free to all and it's governance is (nay should be) transperant. Microsoft is a commercial product, it's governance is closed. While I can have input into the product, I have no vote nor control on how it is designed. Once a board is elected that board can appoint people to perform tasks, take roles, assign goals, do as it feels. I know that you will see members drop off from the board, but the board can replace them as they see fit. The board would be free from the election for most if not all of the year, but it will be heald to public account! Why do people fear a fair election? Sincerely Colin McDermott -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jeff Waugh j...@bethesignal.org wrote: quote who=colin mcdermott Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there. There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this: Why not arrange an Ubuntu event before linux.conf.au (being one of the best Free Software conferences in the world and our biggest and brightest FLOSS event)... although in recent years separate single-distro miniconfs have not been selected, there is always the option of holding a special event before the conference proper (much like FOMS). Just a thought. Go where the people are and all. - Jeff Excellent Idea! There is nothing stopping anyone from having a Ubuntu event on the weekend before Linux.conf..au in the same city Say start at 12noon on Saturday (allow people enough time to fly in), finish sometime on Sunday. Then on monday, go to LCA. (that's my idea for the timing on it.. Gets the maximum number of people attending at the lowest travel cost as they are coming anyway for LCA). For those that haven't organise an event before, it's a lot of work. can't just roll up on the day and have everything happen. Using the above as a framework, 12noon to say 6pm and then 9am to 3pm on Sunday is a lot of hours to keep people engaged and enthused. The logistics gets worse as the number of streams increase. For those that are considering it without previous unconference/conference experience, do something smaller first. Try an BarCamp first of comparable length. Please don't be scared off by this but plan it fully. Regards George -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
quote who=George Patterson For those that are considering it without previous unconference/conference experience, do something smaller first. Try an BarCamp first of comparable length. Please don't be scared off by this but plan it fully. Concur. I ran GNOME.conf.au as a linux.conf.au miniconf for a few years. It took quite a bit of preparation for a fairly simple event -- one room, one stream, 8-10 sessions, most of which were half presentation, half QA. They were much-loved and incredibly satisfying to work on. Nothing like a whole day of sharing and energy to meet and greet your peers and future friends! - Jeff -- Ubuntu's Bleeding Edge http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ W.O.R.K: Weekend Over, Resume the Killings. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
On 10/06/10 11:45, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=George Patterson For those that are considering it without previous unconference/conference experience, do something smaller first. Try an BarCamp first of comparable length. Please don't be scared off by this but plan it fully. Concur. I ran GNOME.conf.au as a linux.conf.au miniconf for a few years. It took quite a bit of preparation for a fairly simple event -- one room, one stream, 8-10 sessions, most of which were half presentation, half QA. They were much-loved and incredibly satisfying to work on. Nothing like a whole day of sharing and energy to meet and greet your peers and future friends! On http://linux.org.au/LCA: In 2011 linux.conf.au is heading to Brisbane. From the 16th to the 22nd of January the Queensland capital will play host to one of the world's best conferences for Free and Open Source Software developers and users. Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... Paul attachment: paul.vcf-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
quote who=Paul Gear Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... :-) Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au: there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course) it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks. (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.) - Jeff -- Ubuntu's Bleeding Edge http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ It's a pan-dimensional cake, and there are many ways to slice it. - Bruce Badger -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
