Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:42:23 +1000 Ubuntu Lists wrote: sorry for the bad form - replying to my own message > If I recall correctly, the number of members in 2010 quoted in the > notification that the AU-LoCo was not "re-endorsed" was something like > 14. The all time high was what? 64? I should have checked the archives. 2010 = 13 All-time-high = 81 -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
I read this post a couple of times and it seems to me that you are complaining that there aren't enough people actively involved in the process and then blaming the people who are bothered to get involved in the process for being lazy? You might want to rethink your position. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Andre Mangan wrote: > All these polls, whether they are for governance structures or IRC meeting > times are totally valueless unless the main body of Ubuntu users in > Australia come out of their hiding places and declare their wishes. > > The current poll on governance registers the opinions of 18 Ubuntu users. > Hardly a representative sample and certainly not a valid nor acceptable vote > (as was the vote on IRC meeting times). > > Reading the minutes of the last IRC meeting, I noticed the brave mention of > "should we revisit the time set aside for these meetings". There is no > point in asking the converted, you need to ask the 200+ registered ubuntu-au > members. > > Elect a representative, a governor if the term pleases you, and let this > person drive the push to rejuvenating Ubuntu-au and ultimately > re-accreditation. > > To those who seek refuge behind the voluntary nature of ubuntu-au and > therefore claim that they cannot exercise any authority, I would remind them > that many ubuntu-au users have signed the code of conduct and thereby have > placed themselves under the jurisdiction of the requirements of Launchpad > and Ubuntu. > > "Laissez-faire" is just another term for administrative laziness. > > Andre > > > > > > > On 10 June 2010 14:07, Lisa Milne wrote: > >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:32:29 +1000 >> andrew wrote: >> >> > I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions. >> > >> > http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka >> > >> > >> > HOW TO VOTE CARD >> > >> > Meritocracy - Keep the current process. >> > >> > Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership >> > team. >> > >> > >> > Andrew G. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ubuntu-au mailing list >> > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> >> This poll wasn't discussed or suggested at the meeting, therefore I'm >> calling it "Andrew's personal poll" and ignoring it. >> >> >> -- >> Lisa Milne >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:08:26 -0700 (PDT) bwright wrote: > How long do we want to hold up decisions. Are we just going to sit > here complaining about a voting system into the next year and have 0% > productivity isn't that the standard outcome of the democratic process? (little progress and lots of opinion.) > or are we going to do something. I don't understand the negative attitude to the meritocracy concept in this group. Do something. If done well people will help and follow. If done badly it will die or fork - in which case the process starts again. > I have noticed the > active participants are voting and the active members are the ones > that get the choice. If you are not an active member or you do not > wish to vote you will simply not be counted since you are not > participating. It is your choice. If I recall correctly, the number of members in 2010 quoted in the notification that the AU-LoCo was not "re-endorsed" was something like 14. The all time high was what? 64? 64 people should be able to resolve the situation where there is a single spokesperson and people who are doing good stuff can continue to do good stuff. 18 people to represent 14 is kingdom building gone mad. -- jmo -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
How long do we want to hold up decisions. Are we just going to sit here complaining about a voting system into the next year and have 0% productivity or are we going to do something. I have noticed the active participants are voting and the active members are the ones that get the choice. If you are not an active member or you do not wish to vote you will simply not be counted since you are not participating. It is your choice. On Jun 10, 8:27 pm, Daniel Sobey wrote: > Hello Andrew, > > We had a long discussion in the meeting on how we should move forward > and what we want. > If you were not able to attend the meeting the logs are available > athttp://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-au.log.20100608_0600.html > > There was a fair bit of discussion on how to move forward. > We want to be democratic and allow everyone to have their say. > How best do you think we should do this? > > I would not consider the poll that was created in the meeting as the > final and only decision, it is a step in the process. I would expect us > to decide on the direction with this poll and the further refine it > later on once we have a better idea on what everyone wants. > We need to build a consensus on what we want, so first decide on a model > and then work out details. > > We do not know what the best way of collecting the popularity of each > model. I do not know how popular the results will be by next meeting. > I would encourage you to express your opinion and vote in the > poll.http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
Hello Andrew, We had a long discussion in the meeting on how we should move forward and what we want. If you were not able to attend the meeting the logs are available at http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-au.log.20100608_0600.html There was a fair bit of discussion on how to move forward. We want to be democratic and allow everyone to have their say. How best do you think we should do this? I would not consider the poll that was created in the meeting as the final and only decision, it is a step in the process. I would expect us to decide on the direction with this poll and the further refine it later on once we have a better idea on what everyone wants. We need to build a consensus on what we want, so first decide on a model and then work out details. We do not know what the best way of collecting the popularity of each model. I do not know how popular the results will be by next meeting. I would encourage you to express your opinion and vote in the poll. http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
On 10 June 2010 09:02, andrew wrote: > I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions. > > http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka > > > HOW TO VOTE CARD > > Meritocracy - Keep the current process. > > Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership > team. > Hi All, I have just compared the 2 polls, the official[1] that was opened after the meeting last night and the new one started by Andrew Gaydon[2]. My first question is why the 4 votes that on the poll created by Andrew[2] have not voted on the official poll[1]? Starting a new poll does not make you look very responsible and team players. This looks to me as 'I am going to throw a patty and start my own poll cause things are not going my way' and hence my question above. [1] http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 [2] http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them" - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
On 10 June 2010 09:02, andrew wrote: > I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions. > > http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka > > > HOW TO VOTE CARD > > Meritocracy - Keep the current process. > > Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership > team. I too am not voting on this poll as it already covered in the other poll. And suggest to others to vote in the other poll[1] that was talked about and cover in the last IRC meeting. Regards Dale [1] http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them" - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
All these polls, whether they are for governance structures or IRC meeting times are totally valueless unless the main body of Ubuntu users in Australia come out of their hiding places and declare their wishes. The current poll on governance registers the opinions of 18 Ubuntu users. Hardly a representative sample and certainly not a valid nor acceptable vote (as was the vote on IRC meeting times). Reading the minutes of the last IRC meeting, I noticed the brave mention of "should we revisit the time set aside for these meetings". There is no point in asking the converted, you need to ask the 200+ registered ubuntu-au members. Elect a representative, a governor if the term pleases you, and let this person drive the push to rejuvenating Ubuntu-au and ultimately re-accreditation. To those who seek refuge behind the voluntary nature of ubuntu-au and therefore claim that they cannot exercise any authority, I would remind them that many ubuntu-au users have signed the code of conduct and thereby have placed themselves under the jurisdiction of the requirements of Launchpad and Ubuntu. "Laissez-faire" is just another term for administrative laziness. Andre On 10 June 2010 14:07, Lisa Milne wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:32:29 +1000 > andrew wrote: > > > I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions. > > > > http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka > > > > > > HOW TO VOTE CARD > > > > Meritocracy - Keep the current process. > > > > Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership > > team. > > > > > > Andrew G. > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > This poll wasn't discussed or suggested at the meeting, therefore I'm > calling it "Andrew's personal poll" and ignoring it. > > > -- > Lisa Milne > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:32:29 +1000 andrew wrote: > I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions. > > http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka > > > HOW TO VOTE CARD > > Meritocracy - Keep the current process. > > Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership > team. > > > Andrew G. > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au This poll wasn't discussed or suggested at the meeting, therefore I'm calling it "Andrew's personal poll" and ignoring it. -- Lisa Milne -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
