Re: media centre build
I am intending to buy the following to act as a media centre probably running MythTV. Any comments would be welcomed: ASRock ION330HT Mini Barebone, Intel Atom 330, Nvidia ION, DVD-RW, HDMI/eSATA, Remote Corsair CM2X2048-6400C5 2GB PC-6400 (800MHz) DDR2 RAM, 240-pin DIMM, Non ECC Unbuffered, 5-5-5-18 2.5", Samsung 160GB, SATA 5400rpm, 8MB Cache, HM160HI One concern I have is whether the 5400 rpm HDD is adequate or if I need a 7200 rpm HDD to record TV etc. Adios! Bryn Mitchell From: Chris Debenham To: bryn mitchell Cc: ubuntu-au Sent: Mon, 19 April, 2010 2:47:47 PM Subject: Re: media centre build I previously used a Microsoft MCE remote (works out of the box) but recently moved to using a PS3 bluetooth remote so I don't need line-of-sight. And yes, MythTV can record and play the same show. Easiest way to go is just watch LiveTV and at any time you can press pause. In the background mythtv will keep recording the video and keep it in a buffer ready for you to catch up later. I find I hardly ever watch livetv anymore though, mostly I set it to record anything I want and then watch them 10-15 mins after they start so I can skip the ads :-) (mind you I generally don't watch things even on the same day - I'm generally a few days behind on my shows ;-) ) On 19 April 2010 13:19, bryn mitchell wrote: > This is all good info Chris. Thanks. > Two things I failed to ask is what type of remote do you use and does MythTV > have all those tricky things as found on a commercial DVR such as the record > and view the same show function (after you have used the pause function to > go and get a beer from the fridge). I don't know the name of the function > but it allows you to catch up to the current time in the game / show (I > think by using the time in the add's). > > > From: Chris Debenham > To: bryn mitchell > Cc: ubuntu-au > Sent: Mon, 19 April, 2010 8:12:38 AM > Subject: Re: media centre build > > On 18 April 2010 21:57, bryn mitchell wrote: >> Thanks Chris. >> What OS and Multi Media applications do you use. > > I run MythTV on mythbuntu (http://mythbuntu.org/) > >> Do you; > * access the Internet - yes - via mythnet > * burn media (such as TV shows) to DVD - yes, via 'mythBurn' which > integrates into mythtv > * rip to MP3 - yes, mythtv can do this natively as well > * view photo's - yes > * edit home video - no, I do video editing on a different machine > generally (one connected to a keyboard/mouse instead of just a remote > control) but there is nothing precluding doing video editing on this > machine as it is faster than my actual desktop anyway :-) > >> Do you use a wireless network connection and if so what brand of card/USB >> (I assume it's USB). > > I actually use wired gigabit ethernet (since I store most of my media > on a separate machine) but as long as you are not streaming high-def > content over the network then wireless is fine. > I actually do stream standard-def over wireless to my laptop on > occassion and it works fine. > >> >> >> From: Chris Debenham >> To: bryn mitchell >> Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> Sent: Sun, 18 April, 2010 6:20:55 PM >> Subject: Re: media centre build >> >> I use an ASRock ION 330 for media centre duties (replacing a mac mini) >> Costs about $350 - just add disk and a usb tuner or two and you have a >> decent machine capable of playing High Def media via HDMI (I can play >> 1080p without too much issue - generally about 40% cpu usage when >> playing HD stuff - less for over-the-air HD stuff) >> It only takes one internal disk, but add an external drive if you need >> more space. >> >> On 18 April 2010 06:24, bryn mitchell wrote: >>> >>> I am going to get / build a media centre. I could buy a MAC Mini which >>> seems >>> just about ready to go out of the box or I could go thru the project of a >>> Linux equivalent. >>> I want to access the net, rip and play (thru a sound system) music, >>> record >>> and replay digital TV, play DVD's / Blue Ray, etc thru a Panasonic Viera >>> wide screen plasma. >>> This is something I would be happy to spend a couple of weeks on and off >>> to >>> complete but not a couple of months to get right. It also needs to work >>> right every time or it will fall flat with the missus and kids. >>> I have done some reading about Myth TV and it's variants and other >>> applications such as Boxee and XBMC but my real sticking point is >>> hardware. >>> I got a
Re: media centre build
On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:40 +0100, Hugh Do Nascimento wrote: > From: Hugo Do Nascimento > Subject: Re: media centre build > To: bryn mitchell > Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I also was thinking about building a media center with linux or buying a mac > mini. At the end, a friend showed me a WDTV. > It costs about U$100, runs linux inside and does not demand much energy. I > bought one and I am using it with an external USB HD. There are many similar devices. I have an Astone device; it has a couple of USB ports, plus an Ethernet port for streaming media from your computer (through Samba) and even the ability to accept an Astone wifi dongle in case you don't have a free Ethernet port. Oh; and you can use it as a NAS as well. Good device, and you can often find one for $130 Australian. Oh, and if you like hacking your devices, you won't be disappointed as there are many homegrown mods and new firmware for it. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: media centre build
This is all good info Chris. Thanks. Two things I failed to ask is what type of remote do you use and does MythTV have all those tricky things as found on a commercial DVR such as the record and view the same show function (after you have used the pause function to go and get a beer from the fridge). I don't know the name of the function but it allows you to catch up to the current time in the game / show (I think by using the time in the add's). From: Chris Debenham To: bryn mitchell Cc: ubuntu-au Sent: Mon, 19 April, 2010 8:12:38 AM Subject: Re: media centre build On 18 April 2010 21:57, bryn mitchell wrote: > Thanks Chris. > What OS and Multi Media applications do you use. I run MythTV on mythbuntu (http://mythbuntu.org/) > Do you; * access the Internet - yes - via mythnet * burn media (such as TV shows) to DVD - yes, via 'mythBurn' which integrates into mythtv * rip to MP3 - yes, mythtv can do this natively as well * view photo's - yes * edit home video - no, I do video editing on a different machine generally (one connected to a keyboard/mouse instead of just a remote control) but there is nothing precluding doing video editing on this machine as it is faster than my actual desktop anyway :-) > Do you use a wireless network connection and if so what brand of card/USB (I > assume it's USB). I actually use wired gigabit ethernet (since I store most of my media on a separate machine) but as long as you are not streaming high-def content over the network then wireless is fine. I actually do stream standard-def over wireless to my laptop on occassion and it works fine. > > > From: Chris Debenham > To: bryn mitchell > Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Sun, 18 April, 2010 6:20:55 PM > Subject: Re: media centre build > > I use an ASRock ION 330 for media centre duties (replacing a mac mini) > Costs about $350 - just add disk and a usb tuner or two and you have a > decent machine capable of playing High Def media via HDMI (I can play > 1080p without too much issue - generally about 40% cpu usage when > playing HD stuff - less for over-the-air HD stuff) > It only takes one internal disk, but add an external drive if you need > more space. > > On 18 April 2010 06:24, bryn mitchell wrote: >> >> I am going to get / build a media centre. I could buy a MAC Mini which >> seems >> just about ready to go out of the box or I could go thru the project of a >> Linux equivalent. >> I want to access the net, rip and play (thru a sound system) music, record >> and replay digital TV, play DVD's / Blue Ray, etc thru a Panasonic Viera >> wide screen plasma. >> This is something I would be happy to spend a couple of weeks on and off >> to >> complete but not a couple of months to get right. It also needs to work >> right every time or it will fall flat with the missus and kids. >> I have done some reading about Myth TV and it's variants and other >> applications such as Boxee and XBMC but my real sticking point is >> hardware. >> I got a quote from a local shop to build a box that would suit Win 7 and I >> assume that would also be adequate for a Linux equivalent but the cost was >> about $2500, about $1000 more expensive than a MAC Mini solution. For me, >> the real seller of a Linux system would be to do it on the cheap but as I >> said before I don't want to spend all my time (I am time poor) buying >> hardware and then buying more hardware because it doesn't work or >> endlessly >> trouble shooting a dodgy set up. >> Ideally I think my best scenario would be to buy a used PC and just add >> appropriate hardware such as a tuner card, graphics card etc but I don't >> know what to buy (or for that matter where to buy). Also fan noise etc is >> any issue I believe. >> Interested in any opinions, >> >> Regards. >> B. Mitchell >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> >> > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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I previously used a Microsoft MCE remote (works out of the box) but recently moved to using a PS3 bluetooth remote so I don't need line-of-sight. And yes, MythTV can record and play the same show. Easiest way to go is just watch LiveTV and at any time you can press pause. In the background mythtv will keep recording the video and keep it in a buffer ready for you to catch up later. I find I hardly ever watch livetv anymore though, mostly I set it to record anything I want and then watch them 10-15 mins after they start so I can skip the ads :-) (mind you I generally don't watch things even on the same day - I'm generally a few days behind on my shows ;-) ) On 19 April 2010 13:19, bryn mitchell wrote: This is all good info Chris. Thanks. Two things I failed to ask is what type of remote do you use and does MythTV have all those tricky things as found on a commercial DVR such as the record and view the same show function (after you have used the pause function to go and get a beer from the fridge). I don't know the name of the function but it allows you to catch up to the current time in the game / show (I think by using the time in the add's). From: Chris Debenham To: bryn mitchell Cc: ubuntu-au Sent: Mon, 19 April, 2010 8:12:38 AM Subject: Re: media centre build On 18 April 2010 21:57, bryn mitchell wrote: Thanks Chris. What OS and Multi Media applications do you use. I run MythTV on mythbuntu (http://mythbuntu.org/) Do you; * access the Internet - yes - via mythnet * burn media (such as TV shows) to DVD - yes, via 'mythBurn' which integrates into mythtv * rip to MP3 - yes, mythtv can do this natively as well * view photo's - yes * edit home video - no, I do video editing on a different machine generally (one connected to a keyboard/mouse instead of just a remote control) but there is nothing precluding doing video editing on this machine as it is faster than my actual desktop anyway :-) Do you use a wireless network connection and if so what brand of card/USB (I assume it's USB). I actually use wired gigabit ethernet (since I store most of my media on a separate machine) but as long as you are not streaming high-def content over the network then wireless is fine. I actually do stream standard-def over wireless to my laptop on occassion and it works fine. From: Chris Debenham To: bryn mitchell Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Sun, 18 April, 2010 6:20:55 PM Subject: Re: media centre build I use an ASRock ION 330 for media centre duties (replacing a mac mini) Costs about $350 - just add disk and a usb tuner or two and you have a decent machine capable of playing High Def media via HDMI (I can play 1080p without too much issue - generally about 40% cpu usage when playing HD stuff - less for over-the-air HD stuff) It only takes one internal disk, but add an external drive if you need more space. On 18 April 2010 06:24, bryn mitchell wrote: I am going to get / build a media centre. I could buy a MAC Mini which seems just about ready to go out of the box or I could go thru the project of a Linux equivalent. I want to access the net, rip and play (thru a sound system) music, record and replay digital TV, play DVD's / Blue Ray, etc thru a Panasonic Viera wide screen plasma. This is something I would be happy to spend a couple of weeks on and off to complete but not a couple of months to get right. It also needs to work right every time or it will fall flat with the missus and kids. I have done some reading about Myth TV and it's variants and other applications such as Boxee and XBMC but my real sticking point is hardware. I got a quote from a local shop to build a box that would suit Win 7 and I assume that would also be adequate for a Linux equivalent but the cost was about $2500, about $1000 more expensive than a MAC Mini solution. For me, the real seller of a Linux system would be to do it on the cheap but as I said before I don't want to spend all my time (I am time poor) buying hardware and then buying more hardware because it doesn't work or endlessly trouble shooting a dodgy set up. Ideally I think my best scenario would be to buy a used PC and just add appropriate hardware such as a tuner card, graphics card etc but I don't know what to buy (or for that matter where to buy). Also fan noise etc is any issue I believe. Interested in any opinions, Regards. B. Mitchell -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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On 18 April 2010 21:57, bryn mitchell wrote: > Thanks Chris. > What OS and Multi Media applications do you use. I run MythTV on mythbuntu (http://mythbuntu.org/) > Do you; * access the Internet - yes - via mythnet * burn media (such as TV shows) to DVD - yes, via 'mythBurn' which integrates into mythtv * rip to MP3 - yes, mythtv can do this natively as well * view photo's - yes * edit home video - no, I do video editing on a different machine generally (one connected to a keyboard/mouse instead of just a remote control) but there is nothing precluding doing video editing on this machine as it is faster than my actual desktop anyway :-) > Do you use a wireless network connection and if so what brand of card/USB (I > assume it's USB). I actually use wired gigabit ethernet (since I store most of my media on a separate machine) but as long as you are not streaming high-def content over the network then wireless is fine. I actually do stream standard-def over wireless to my laptop on occassion and it works fine. > > > From: Chris Debenham > To: bryn mitchell > Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Sun, 18 April, 2010 6:20:55 PM > Subject: Re: media centre build > > I use an ASRock ION 330 for media centre duties (replacing a mac mini) > Costs about $350 - just add disk and a usb tuner or two and you have a > decent machine capable of playing High Def media via HDMI (I can play > 1080p without too much issue - generally about 40% cpu usage when > playing HD stuff - less for over-the-air HD stuff) > It only takes one internal disk, but add an external drive if you need > more space. > > On 18 April 2010 06:24, bryn mitchell wrote: >> >> I am going to get / build a media centre. I could buy a MAC Mini which >> seems >> just about ready to go out of the box or I could go thru the project of a >> Linux equivalent. >> I want to access the net, rip and play (thru a sound system) music, record >> and replay digital TV, play DVD's / Blue Ray, etc thru a Panasonic Viera >> wide screen plasma. >> This is something I would be happy to spend a couple of weeks on and off >> to >> complete but not a couple of months to get right. It also needs to work >> right every time or it will fall flat with the missus and kids. >> I have done some reading about Myth TV and it's variants and other >> applications such as Boxee and XBMC but my real sticking point is >> hardware. >> I got a quote from a local shop to build a box that would suit Win 7 and I >> assume that would also be adequate for a Linux equivalent but the cost was >> about $2500, about $1000 more expensive than a MAC Mini solution. For me, >> the real seller of a Linux system would be to do it on the cheap but as I >> said before I don't want to spend all my time (I am time poor) buying >> hardware and then buying more hardware because it doesn't work or >> endlessly >> trouble shooting a dodgy set up. >> Ideally I think my best scenario would be to buy a used PC and just add >> appropriate hardware such as a tuner card, graphics card etc but I don't >> know what to buy (or for that matter where to buy). Also fan noise etc is >> any issue I believe. >> Interested in any opinions, >> >> Regards. >> B. Mitchell >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> >> > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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I also was thinking about building a media center with linux or buying a mac mini. At the end, a friend showed me a WDTV. It costs about U$100, runs linux inside and does not demand much energy. I bought one and I am using it with an external USB HD. Check the link: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/WDTV/ Hugo -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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Thanks Chris. What OS and Multi Media applications do you use. Do you; access the Internet, burn media (such as TV shows) to DVD, rip to MP3, view photo's, edit home video, etc with this device? Do you use a wireless network connection and if so what brand of card/USB (I assume it's USB). From: Chris Debenham To: bryn mitchell Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Sun, 18 April, 2010 6:20:55 PM Subject: Re: media centre build I use an ASRock ION 330 for media centre duties (replacing a mac mini) Costs about $350 - just add disk and a usb tuner or two and you have a decent machine capable of playing High Def media via HDMI (I can play 1080p without too much issue - generally about 40% cpu usage when playing HD stuff - less for over-the-air HD stuff) It only takes one internal disk, but add an external drive if you need more space. On 18 April 2010 06:24, bryn mitchell wrote: > > I am going to get / build a media centre. I could buy a MAC Mini which seems > just about ready to go out of the box or I could go thru the project of a > Linux equivalent. > I want to access the net, rip and play (thru a sound system) music, record > and replay digital TV, play DVD's / Blue Ray, etc thru a Panasonic Viera > wide screen plasma. > This is something I would be happy to spend a couple of weeks on and off to > complete but not a couple of months to get right. It also needs to work > right every time or it will fall flat with the missus and kids. > I have done some reading about Myth TV and it's variants and other > applications such as Boxee and XBMC but my real sticking point is hardware. > I got a quote from a local shop to build a box that would suit Win 7 and I > assume that would also be adequate for a Linux equivalent but the cost was > about $2500, about $1000 more expensive than a MAC Mini solution. For me, > the real seller of a Linux system would be to do it on the cheap but as I > said before I don't want to spend all my time (I am time poor) buying > hardware and then buying more hardware because it doesn't work or endlessly > trouble shooting a dodgy set up. > Ideally I think my best scenario would be to buy a used PC and just add > appropriate hardware such as a tuner card, graphics card etc but I don't > know what to buy (or for that matter where to buy). Also fan noise etc is > any issue I believe. > Interested in any opinions, > > Regards. > B. Mitchell > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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Thanks Chris, I shall look into the PS3 and Nova-T. Cheers. Michael. On Apr 18, 6:32 pm, Chris Debenham wrote: > I have a PS3 PlayTV dual tuner that works OOTB, also a leadtek tuner > (no idea of name/type - just bought it for $25 at a computer fair) and > a dual tuner Nova-T 500 PCI card. > All work out of the box on ubuntu 9.04 or later and give decent > reception for aussie TV > > On 18 April 2010 18:22, Michael wrote: > > > > > > > Hello B. > > > I've been thinking about this exact same thing as my desktop is > > currently my media server. I can do everything I need to except for > > record tv shows and for this I need a TV card. Now the issue is what > > TV cards will work in Australia while also working with the Linux > > Kernel. There are a couple of Hauppage cards that apparently work with > > the Linux kernel ootb but I'm not sure of their suitability yet for > > Australian TV. If and when I can get a definitive answer I'll post it, > > if I can get a general "yeah this may be ok" I'll post that to and you > > can decide from there what you want to do. > > > Cheers. > > Michael. > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ubuntu-Au" group. > To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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I have a PS3 PlayTV dual tuner that works OOTB, also a leadtek tuner (no idea of name/type - just bought it for $25 at a computer fair) and a dual tuner Nova-T 500 PCI card. All work out of the box on ubuntu 9.04 or later and give decent reception for aussie TV On 18 April 2010 18:22, Michael wrote: > Hello B. > > I've been thinking about this exact same thing as my desktop is > currently my media server. I can do everything I need to except for > record tv shows and for this I need a TV card. Now the issue is what > TV cards will work in Australia while also working with the Linux > Kernel. There are a couple of Hauppage cards that apparently work with > the Linux kernel ootb but I'm not sure of their suitability yet for > Australian TV. If and when I can get a definitive answer I'll post it, > if I can get a general "yeah this may be ok" I'll post that to and you > can decide from there what you want to do. > > Cheers. > Michael. > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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Hello B. I've been thinking about this exact same thing as my desktop is currently my media server. I can do everything I need to except for record tv shows and for this I need a TV card. Now the issue is what TV cards will work in Australia while also working with the Linux Kernel. There are a couple of Hauppage cards that apparently work with the Linux kernel ootb but I'm not sure of their suitability yet for Australian TV. If and when I can get a definitive answer I'll post it, if I can get a general "yeah this may be ok" I'll post that to and you can decide from there what you want to do. Cheers. Michael. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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I use an ASRock ION 330 for media centre duties (replacing a mac mini) Costs about $350 - just add disk and a usb tuner or two and you have a decent machine capable of playing High Def media via HDMI (I can play 1080p without too much issue - generally about 40% cpu usage when playing HD stuff - less for over-the-air HD stuff) It only takes one internal disk, but add an external drive if you need more space. On 18 April 2010 06:24, bryn mitchell wrote: > > I am going to get / build a media centre. I could buy a MAC Mini which seems > just about ready to go out of the box or I could go thru the project of a > Linux equivalent. > I want to access the net, rip and play (thru a sound system) music, record > and replay digital TV, play DVD's / Blue Ray, etc thru a Panasonic Viera > wide screen plasma. > This is something I would be happy to spend a couple of weeks on and off to > complete but not a couple of months to get right. It also needs to work > right every time or it will fall flat with the missus and kids. > I have done some reading about Myth TV and it's variants and other > applications such as Boxee and XBMC but my real sticking point is hardware. > I got a quote from a local shop to build a box that would suit Win 7 and I > assume that would also be adequate for a Linux equivalent but the cost was > about $2500, about $1000 more expensive than a MAC Mini solution. For me, > the real seller of a Linux system would be to do it on the cheap but as I > said before I don't want to spend all my time (I am time poor) buying > hardware and then buying more hardware because it doesn't work or endlessly > trouble shooting a dodgy set up. > Ideally I think my best scenario would be to buy a used PC and just add > appropriate hardware such as a tuner card, graphics card etc but I don't > know what to buy (or for that matter where to buy). Also fan noise etc is > any issue I believe. > Interested in any opinions, > > Regards. > B. Mitchell > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
