Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
On Sep 4, 10:33 am, Chris Chinchilla wrote: > The strange this is, Ubuntu growth is rapid at the moment, and there are > a lot of groups out there, I'm a little new to the list so I'm not > entirely sure what it's supposed to be here for, but I think there is > still a space for an Australian Ubuntu 'overseer', but we do suffer from > geographical extremities and the fact that little modification is needed > here from the US / UK versions... Perhaps a rethinking into more of a > resource for pooling together Ubuntu users and groups? > > What do other groups around the world do? > > A lack of finances means that a meet up is hard bearing in mind the > Geography of Australia, but my most immediate idea would be to change or > at least update the website, I cam across the site from the Ubuntu site > as an interested party and was greeted by an out of date site, which > will put beginners off. > Could not agree more that is the message coming back loud and clear from the NON geeks :) -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Hi Chris, Please send your replies to the list to keep the conversation public. If you have something to add, the best place is the Australian Team wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam Cheers Sridhar 2009/10/11 Chris Chinchilla : > So... If I had some resources to add to the site... How would I go about > doing it? > > > On 10/10/2009, at 8:09 PM, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > >> 2009/10/10 Scott Evans >>> >>> I've never intended for ubuntu-au to solely run by one (that's crazy!) >>> but my intention was to get people talking about what they may be able to >>> contribute. I have to admit I haven't contributed to the current wiki >>> brainstorm with my idea's (but I will!) >>> >>> Its sad to see that a post I placed out earlier for a ubuntu release >>> gathering has gone completely unanswered, but I suppose that comes down >>> to... >>> >>> A. I'm in Hobart! >>> >>> B. Maybe there isn't many fellow Hobatians subscribed to ubuntu-au >>> mailing list >>> >>> C. Maybe there isn't that many users of ubuntu that want to participate >>> in such events >>> >>> Back to ubuntu-au... >>> >>> I'd really like to see more of a presence, than what is currently... I >>> realise this is my own wish, but I'm certain that we could all do just a >>> little to ensure that ubuntu-au has a real meaning to those that call it >>> there own! like if you are to compare other loco teams, there is a >>> significant involvement in release parties and the like. >>> >>> Maybe my ideas are unrealistic! >> >> They are not unrealistic at all! But they will require some effort >> from community members to make it happen. As a nationally-based group, >> it can be difficult to organise meetups. It's easier to organise >> online activities, such as the IRC meetings. >> >> Face-to-face meetings are best leveraged through existing local >> groups. To use my own area as an example, there are a lot of Ubuntu >> users in the Sydney Linux Users Group. In your case, the strength of >> the Tasmanian community was given the ultimate test in January when >> they hosted linux.conf.au, and I can tell you that they passed with >> flying colours. >> >> You can see some Tasmanian-based LUGs at >> http://www.linux.org.au/foss_in_australia/LUGS/TAS >> >> -- >> Bring choice back to your computer. >> http://www.linux.org.au/linux >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> > > -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
2009/10/10 Scott Evans > > I've never intended for ubuntu-au to solely run by one (that's crazy!) but my > intention was to get people talking about what they may be able to > contribute. I have to admit I haven't contributed to the current wiki > brainstorm with my idea's (but I will!) > > Its sad to see that a post I placed out earlier for a ubuntu release > gathering has gone completely unanswered, but I suppose that comes down to... > > A. I'm in Hobart! > > B. Maybe there isn't many fellow Hobatians subscribed to ubuntu-au mailing > list > > C. Maybe there isn't that many users of ubuntu that want to participate in > such events > > Back to ubuntu-au... > > I'd really like to see more of a presence, than what is currently... I > realise this is my own wish, but I'm certain that we could all do just a > little to ensure that ubuntu-au has a real meaning to those that call it > there own! like if you are to compare other loco teams, there is a > significant involvement in release parties and the like. > > Maybe my ideas are unrealistic! They are not unrealistic at all! But they will require some effort from community members to make it happen. As a nationally-based group, it can be difficult to organise meetups. It's easier to organise online activities, such as the IRC meetings. Face-to-face meetings are best leveraged through existing local groups. To use my own area as an example, there are a lot of Ubuntu users in the Sydney Linux Users Group. In your case, the strength of the Tasmanian community was given the ultimate test in January when they hosted linux.conf.au, and I can tell you that they passed with flying colours. You can see some Tasmanian-based LUGs at http://www.linux.org.au/foss_in_australia/LUGS/TAS -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
I've never intended for ubuntu-au to solely run by one (that's crazy!) but my intention was to get people talking about what they may be able to contribute. I have to admit I haven't contributed to the current wiki brainstorm with my idea's (but I will!) Its sad to see that a post I placed out earlier for a ubuntu release gathering has gone completely unanswered, but I suppose that comes down to... A. I'm in Hobart! B. Maybe there isn't many fellow Hobatians subscribed to ubuntu-au mailing list C. Maybe there isn't that many users of ubuntu that want to participate in such events Back to ubuntu-au... I'd really like to see more of a presence, than what is currently... I realise this is my own wish, but I'm certain that we could all do just a little to ensure that ubuntu-au has a real meaning to those that call it there own! like if you are to compare other loco teams, there is a significant involvement in release parties and the like. Maybe my ideas are unrealistic! :-/ -- Scott Evans -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.<>-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Hi Scott, There doesn't need to be only one 'leader'. If anyone feels they can do something for the group, feel free to chime in. Often the best way to get something done is to just do it. That's how a lot of online communities get going. If you wait for approval/consensus you might never get it. It's actually very easy to be active in an open source group, but many seem hesitant or shy to do so. Don't be. A problem in many communities I've seen is that people expect the same 'leaders' to do everything, and nothing gets done since those people are continuously stretched in many different directions. They'd actually be grateful if you offered to take some of their burden. Here's a little secret: there's nothing very special about the 'leaders' other than that they decided to step forwards and make sure that things get done. So remember, just do it :) 2009/9/4 Scott Evans > > Thanks to all that have sent a reply thus far... > > I'm collecting the information to use as a guide to get the feel for what > people want/expect/like/whatever! from ubuntu-au > > BTW I'm not saying that I want to take control over ubuntu-au! I just want to > see it become a resource that we all can use and improve on... > > I also posted my email to my blog this is also incorporated into the > ubuntu-au planet... my blog also sends out to twitter/identi.ca/facebook so > I'm trying to make a noise! > > -- > Scott Evans > -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If > you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This > message contains confidential information and is intended only for the > individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender > immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete > this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are > notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in > reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- Bring choice back to your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Hi all, I have been on the IRC tonight and offered to help out where needed to get Ubuntu-Au up and humming again. I have offered in another thread to administer the main page to keep it upto date and have other skills that may prove useful. * Teaching & Education * Management & Leadership * Communcation * Organisation * Web development (HTML & CMS) I spoke to a few people in the IRC chat tonight and left my details. Regards Steve braddan...@gmail.com On Sep 5, 1:47 pm, db wrote: > Why would ubuntu-au be obsolete ? > > Ubuntu is the friendly / linux for "human beings". It is just gaining > popularity. The issue really is that no one is available to ensure > that ubuntu au is up for newbis to find really. I think ubuntu (the > main site) was pushing people towards their loco's sites when download > cds at one stage. However, a lot of people who are now using ubuntu > just want to do that ... use something that works for them. They may > not be geeky enough. However, when issues arise they do need support > and i think that ubuntu-au on irc or mailing lists may be able to > point them at the solution or some one who can help them. > > For most cases the people using ubuntu seem to be fine with using > google to find their answers. While this works, there is some bad > advice out there. > > I should also note there are a lot of people using ubuntu or linux in > sydney who do not attend slug (in Sydney), they don't feel the need to > attend slug. Slug is not representative of the entire linux community > in sydney. A lot of my friends i know may use linux or have used it / > use it on the side with everything else. A lot of people are also not > aware of their lug. I think promoting further awareness of lugs would > be a good move for all distributions. > > If there are good talks and people there, then the lug should be a > success. Ubuntu linux, isn't just an operating system it is a > community. > > Thank you. > > 2009/9/4 Dale : > > > > > Hi Dean, > > > I gather you are referring to IRC, if so. > > Server: irc.freenode.net > > Channel: #ubuntu-au > > > There is also a general chat channel too on the freenode server > > Channel: #ubuntu-au-chat > > > Regards > > Dale > > > 2009/9/4 dean : > >> Is there an Australian LoCo irc channel? > > >> Regards > >> Dean > > >> Dale wrote: > >>> Hi all, > > >>> I am from Adelaide, and for me to getting to physical meetings it > >>> about a 80Km round trip, and when I move soon to the other side of > >>> town to the country it going to be a ~100Km round, hence this makes it > >>> hard to do meetings. Also at the new place I will not be on the > >>> internet as often as I will be connected via GSM as there no ADSL up > >>> there at the moment. > > >>> At the moment I try my best to help out on IRC and the mailing list > >>> when possible. To the point of using facebook / twitter etc, they > >>> sound good and all but some of use may / will not probably wish to use > >>> them services. I think the best thing to maybe do is promote the use > >>> of the mail list and IRC channel(s) more for people to use, and keep > >>> the confusion to a minimum for everyone. > > >>> my 2 cents worth > > >>> Regards > >>> Dale > > >> -- > >> ubuntu-au mailing list > >> ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com > >>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > -- > > [WWW]http://southernvaleslug.org/ > > [IRC] #southern-vales.lug on irc.freenode.net > > "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of > > thinking we were at when we created them" > > Albert Einstein > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Why would ubuntu-au be obsolete ? Ubuntu is the friendly / linux for "human beings". It is just gaining popularity. The issue really is that no one is available to ensure that ubuntu au is up for newbis to find really. I think ubuntu (the main site) was pushing people towards their loco's sites when download cds at one stage. However, a lot of people who are now using ubuntu just want to do that ... use something that works for them. They may not be geeky enough. However, when issues arise they do need support and i think that ubuntu-au on irc or mailing lists may be able to point them at the solution or some one who can help them. For most cases the people using ubuntu seem to be fine with using google to find their answers. While this works, there is some bad advice out there. I should also note there are a lot of people using ubuntu or linux in sydney who do not attend slug (in Sydney), they don't feel the need to attend slug. Slug is not representative of the entire linux community in sydney. A lot of my friends i know may use linux or have used it / use it on the side with everything else. A lot of people are also not aware of their lug. I think promoting further awareness of lugs would be a good move for all distributions. If there are good talks and people there, then the lug should be a success. Ubuntu linux, isn't just an operating system it is a community. Thank you. 2009/9/4 Dale : > Hi Dean, > > I gather you are referring to IRC, if so. > Server: irc.freenode.net > Channel: #ubuntu-au > > There is also a general chat channel too on the freenode server > Channel: #ubuntu-au-chat > > Regards > Dale > > 2009/9/4 dean : >> Is there an Australian LoCo irc channel? >> >> Regards >> Dean >> >> Dale wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am from Adelaide, and for me to getting to physical meetings it >>> about a 80Km round trip, and when I move soon to the other side of >>> town to the country it going to be a ~100Km round, hence this makes it >>> hard to do meetings. Also at the new place I will not be on the >>> internet as often as I will be connected via GSM as there no ADSL up >>> there at the moment. >>> >>> At the moment I try my best to help out on IRC and the mailing list >>> when possible. To the point of using facebook / twitter etc, they >>> sound good and all but some of use may / will not probably wish to use >>> them services. I think the best thing to maybe do is promote the use >>> of the mail list and IRC channel(s) more for people to use, and keep >>> the confusion to a minimum for everyone. >>> >>> my 2 cents worth >>> >>> Regards >>> Dale >>> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> > > > > -- > [WWW] http://southernvaleslug.org/ > [IRC] #southern-vales.lug on irc.freenode.net > "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of > thinking we were at when we created them" > Albert Einstein > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Hi Dean, I gather you are referring to IRC, if so. Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: #ubuntu-au There is also a general chat channel too on the freenode server Channel: #ubuntu-au-chat Regards Dale 2009/9/4 dean : > Is there an Australian LoCo irc channel? > > Regards > Dean > > Dale wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am from Adelaide, and for me to getting to physical meetings it >> about a 80Km round trip, and when I move soon to the other side of >> town to the country it going to be a ~100Km round, hence this makes it >> hard to do meetings. Also at the new place I will not be on the >> internet as often as I will be connected via GSM as there no ADSL up >> there at the moment. >> >> At the moment I try my best to help out on IRC and the mailing list >> when possible. To the point of using facebook / twitter etc, they >> sound good and all but some of use may / will not probably wish to use >> them services. I think the best thing to maybe do is promote the use >> of the mail list and IRC channel(s) more for people to use, and keep >> the confusion to a minimum for everyone. >> >> my 2 cents worth >> >> Regards >> Dale >> > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- [WWW] http://southernvaleslug.org/ [IRC] #southern-vales.lug on irc.freenode.net "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them" Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Is there an Australian LoCo irc channel? Regards Dean Dale wrote: > Hi all, > > I am from Adelaide, and for me to getting to physical meetings it > about a 80Km round trip, and when I move soon to the other side of > town to the country it going to be a ~100Km round, hence this makes it > hard to do meetings. Also at the new place I will not be on the > internet as often as I will be connected via GSM as there no ADSL up > there at the moment. > > At the moment I try my best to help out on IRC and the mailing list > when possible. To the point of using facebook / twitter etc, they > sound good and all but some of use may / will not probably wish to use > them services. I think the best thing to maybe do is promote the use > of the mail list and IRC channel(s) more for people to use, and keep > the confusion to a minimum for everyone. > > my 2 cents worth > > Regards > Dale > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Hi all, I am from Adelaide, and for me to getting to physical meetings it about a 80Km round trip, and when I move soon to the other side of town to the country it going to be a ~100Km round, hence this makes it hard to do meetings. Also at the new place I will not be on the internet as often as I will be connected via GSM as there no ADSL up there at the moment. At the moment I try my best to help out on IRC and the mailing list when possible. To the point of using facebook / twitter etc, they sound good and all but some of use may / will not probably wish to use them services. I think the best thing to maybe do is promote the use of the mail list and IRC channel(s) more for people to use, and keep the confusion to a minimum for everyone. my 2 cents worth Regards Dale -- [WWW] http://southernvaleslug.org/ [IRC] #southern-vales.lug on irc.freenode.net "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them" Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
The strange this is, Ubuntu growth is rapid at the moment, and there are a lot of groups out there, I'm a little new to the list so I'm not entirely sure what it's supposed to be here for, but I think there is still a space for an Australian Ubuntu 'overseer', but we do suffer from geographical extremities and the fact that little modification is needed here from the US / UK versions... Perhaps a rethinking into more of a resource for pooling together Ubuntu users and groups? What do other groups around the world do? A lack of finances means that a meet up is hard bearing in mind the Geography of Australia, but my most immediate idea would be to change or at least update the website, I cam across the site from the Ubuntu site as an interested party and was greeted by an out of date site, which will put beginners off. On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 23:19 +1000, Dave Hall wrote: > Hi Scott, > > On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 17:18 +1000, Scott Evans wrote: > > Is it still fair to say that Australia still has an "active" ubuntu > > team? > > > > It seems that the proposed monthly meeting have failed, if a call for > > help goes out on #ubuntu-au it generally goes unanswered as the person > > doing the asking is in need of a quick answer and possibly leaves > > assuming no-one wants to help them. > > I look at the list every day or so depending on work demands. I > currently subscribe to about 30 lists of varying traffic levels. > > I have been a Linux desktop user for many years - I run warty on my 2nd > desktop :) > > Supporting Linux desktops isn't easy, each person's setup is different. > Look at Rob's recent thread on his vodafone HSDPA modem. I have a fair > bit of experience using 3G modems with Linux, I am about to by my 7th > modem, and sign my 6th contract. If he had have email another week I > may not have had time to put the effort in. > > Lets look at the "quick answer" issue for a minute. Most users pay > nothing for ubuntu. They pay around $200 for a copy of Windows on a new > PC. with either option there is no offer of free support. If people > want a quick answer, they can always pay for one. > > I am a big user of FOSS. If I want an SLA, I buy the commercial* > version, or pay for a support contract. At the same time, I know where > to find a lot of info, so when I can I "spend" my time, not cash on > getting support. > > On a few occassions I have had beer delivered to people on the other > side of the world after getting help with critical issues. > > The software is free as in freedom (and beer too), but the support isn't > included, that is a bonus. > > Note: * commercial doesn't mean proprietary. In some cases it does, but > there is loads of commercial open source out there too. > > > What I'm hoping to achieve here is constructive comments/criticism of > > the current state of ubuntu-au and hopefully get some activity > > happening again... (may just be banging my head against a brick wall!) > > Go for it. But have a clear plan on what _you_ plan to do for the > community. Don't do something expecting there to be a bunch of others > with the same motivations and time as you. If others don't jump on > board, it doesn't mean they think you are wrong, hate you etc etc, they > may have more important things to do or lack the technical skills etc. > > > Currently the ubuntu-au mailing list averages about 25-75 spam emails > > a day! and it's rare to see a valid request (from mirrored sources of > > this list) also they are generally requests for help. I realise that > > not everyone is at their PC 24/7 or active on IRC but if I was asked > > as to the current involvement of ubuntu-au I'd be hard pressed to give > > an truthful answer to it meaning as currently it achieves very little > > (IMHO) > > > > So please bring forth a plethora of suggestion/ideas & comments... > > > > I am but one... as many we are a community... lets make it "happen" > > I will contribute when I have time, but I have very little time > available this month. My "community" time this month will be spent > converting the local community run internet cafe from windows to ubuntu > - well most of the machines. I will also be launching the drupal > powered community website - http://newstead.vic.au. Finally I will > rolling out a free wifi network in the CBD of my town. > > October will mostly be spent travelling for business. Somewhere in > there I need to make time for my family. Explaining to yet another > person that the < $100 inkjet printer they bought is a useless > winprinter isn't even on the radar. > > I hope you are still reading to here. I have been involved in FOSS > projects for almost 10 years. I hate to see people with energy get > discouraged, we need fresh faces, new blood, different directions. At > the same time, you should be stepping up to do something, not stepping > up to tell others what to do. Be brave, take the jump. See where you > end up. I wish you the best
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
I for one know that SLUG (Sydney Linux User Group) is very active, has monthly meetings which are packed and a very active mailing list. They have a monthly "SLUGlets" meeting where newbs get together and talk about newbie material, and a lot of them are Ubuntu users. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Scott Evans wrote: > Thanks to all that have sent a reply thus far... > > I'm collecting the information to use as a guide to get the feel for what > people want/expect/like/whatever! from ubuntu-au > > BTW I'm not saying that I want to take control over ubuntu-au! I just want > to see it become a resource that we all can use and improve on... > > I also posted my email to my blog this is also incorporated into the > ubuntu-au planet... my blog also sends out to twitter/identi.ca/facebookso > I'm trying to make a noise! > > -- > Scott Evans > -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system > manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only > for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender > immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete > this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are > notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in > reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Thanks to all that have sent a reply thus far... I'm collecting the information to use as a guide to get the feel for what people want/expect/like/whatever! from ubuntu-au BTW I'm not saying that I want to take control over ubuntu-au! I just want to see it become a resource that we all can use and improve on... I also posted my email to my blog this is also incorporated into the ubuntu-au planet... my blog also sends out to twitter/identi.ca/facebook so I'm trying to make a noise! -- Scott Evans -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Im an ubuntu user in Adelaide and have been mostly lurking on this list for ages now. I would like to attend more release partys but I think they should be based somewhere we can get hold of internet access and have the space and power to get some PC's working to actually look at and celebrate the new release. Pubs are not ideal unless we book a function room, which requires commitment and probably cash + organisers. Perhaps the Australian Loco can figure out who wants to do this in each capital city and co-ordinate centrally so that each release party works in a similar way and improves upon the last, also using it as an opportunity to show off ubuntu to your non-ubuntu friends whilst surrounded by other experienced people who can help them with any inquiries. Cheers, Mike Dave Hall wrote: > Hi Scott, > > On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 17:18 +1000, Scott Evans wrote: > >> Is it still fair to say that Australia still has an "active" ubuntu >> team? >> >> It seems that the proposed monthly meeting have failed, if a call for >> help goes out on #ubuntu-au it generally goes unanswered as the person >> doing the asking is in need of a quick answer and possibly leaves >> assuming no-one wants to help them. >> > > I look at the list every day or so depending on work demands. I > currently subscribe to about 30 lists of varying traffic levels. > > I have been a Linux desktop user for many years - I run warty on my 2nd > desktop :) > > Supporting Linux desktops isn't easy, each person's setup is different. > Look at Rob's recent thread on his vodafone HSDPA modem. I have a fair > bit of experience using 3G modems with Linux, I am about to by my 7th > modem, and sign my 6th contract. If he had have email another week I > may not have had time to put the effort in. > > Lets look at the "quick answer" issue for a minute. Most users pay > nothing for ubuntu. They pay around $200 for a copy of Windows on a new > PC. with either option there is no offer of free support. If people > want a quick answer, they can always pay for one. > > I am a big user of FOSS. If I want an SLA, I buy the commercial* > version, or pay for a support contract. At the same time, I know where > to find a lot of info, so when I can I "spend" my time, not cash on > getting support. > > On a few occassions I have had beer delivered to people on the other > side of the world after getting help with critical issues. > > The software is free as in freedom (and beer too), but the support isn't > included, that is a bonus. > > Note: * commercial doesn't mean proprietary. In some cases it does, but > there is loads of commercial open source out there too. > > >> What I'm hoping to achieve here is constructive comments/criticism of >> the current state of ubuntu-au and hopefully get some activity >> happening again... (may just be banging my head against a brick wall!) >> > > Go for it. But have a clear plan on what _you_ plan to do for the > community. Don't do something expecting there to be a bunch of others > with the same motivations and time as you. If others don't jump on > board, it doesn't mean they think you are wrong, hate you etc etc, they > may have more important things to do or lack the technical skills etc. > > >> Currently the ubuntu-au mailing list averages about 25-75 spam emails >> a day! and it's rare to see a valid request (from mirrored sources of >> this list) also they are generally requests for help. I realise that >> not everyone is at their PC 24/7 or active on IRC but if I was asked >> as to the current involvement of ubuntu-au I'd be hard pressed to give >> an truthful answer to it meaning as currently it achieves very little >> (IMHO) >> >> So please bring forth a plethora of suggestion/ideas & comments... >> >> I am but one... as many we are a community... lets make it "happen" >> > > I will contribute when I have time, but I have very little time > available this month. My "community" time this month will be spent > converting the local community run internet cafe from windows to ubuntu > - well most of the machines. I will also be launching the drupal > powered community website - http://newstead.vic.au. Finally I will > rolling out a free wifi network in the CBD of my town. > > October will mostly be spent travelling for business. Somewhere in > there I need to make time for my family. Explaining to yet another > person that the < $100 inkjet printer they bought is a useless > winprinter isn't even on the radar. > > I hope you are still reading to here. I have been involved in FOSS > projects for almost 10 years. I hate to see people with energy get > discouraged, we need fresh faces, new blood, different directions. At > the same time, you should be stepping up to do something, not stepping > up to tell others what to do. Be brave, take the jump. See where you > end up. I wish you the best. Be prepared to put in the hard yards. > > Cheers > > Dave > > PS P
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Hi Scott, On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 17:18 +1000, Scott Evans wrote: > Is it still fair to say that Australia still has an "active" ubuntu > team? > > It seems that the proposed monthly meeting have failed, if a call for > help goes out on #ubuntu-au it generally goes unanswered as the person > doing the asking is in need of a quick answer and possibly leaves > assuming no-one wants to help them. I look at the list every day or so depending on work demands. I currently subscribe to about 30 lists of varying traffic levels. I have been a Linux desktop user for many years - I run warty on my 2nd desktop :) Supporting Linux desktops isn't easy, each person's setup is different. Look at Rob's recent thread on his vodafone HSDPA modem. I have a fair bit of experience using 3G modems with Linux, I am about to by my 7th modem, and sign my 6th contract. If he had have email another week I may not have had time to put the effort in. Lets look at the "quick answer" issue for a minute. Most users pay nothing for ubuntu. They pay around $200 for a copy of Windows on a new PC. with either option there is no offer of free support. If people want a quick answer, they can always pay for one. I am a big user of FOSS. If I want an SLA, I buy the commercial* version, or pay for a support contract. At the same time, I know where to find a lot of info, so when I can I "spend" my time, not cash on getting support. On a few occassions I have had beer delivered to people on the other side of the world after getting help with critical issues. The software is free as in freedom (and beer too), but the support isn't included, that is a bonus. Note: * commercial doesn't mean proprietary. In some cases it does, but there is loads of commercial open source out there too. > What I'm hoping to achieve here is constructive comments/criticism of > the current state of ubuntu-au and hopefully get some activity > happening again... (may just be banging my head against a brick wall!) Go for it. But have a clear plan on what _you_ plan to do for the community. Don't do something expecting there to be a bunch of others with the same motivations and time as you. If others don't jump on board, it doesn't mean they think you are wrong, hate you etc etc, they may have more important things to do or lack the technical skills etc. > Currently the ubuntu-au mailing list averages about 25-75 spam emails > a day! and it's rare to see a valid request (from mirrored sources of > this list) also they are generally requests for help. I realise that > not everyone is at their PC 24/7 or active on IRC but if I was asked > as to the current involvement of ubuntu-au I'd be hard pressed to give > an truthful answer to it meaning as currently it achieves very little > (IMHO) > > So please bring forth a plethora of suggestion/ideas & comments... > > I am but one... as many we are a community... lets make it "happen" I will contribute when I have time, but I have very little time available this month. My "community" time this month will be spent converting the local community run internet cafe from windows to ubuntu - well most of the machines. I will also be launching the drupal powered community website - http://newstead.vic.au. Finally I will rolling out a free wifi network in the CBD of my town. October will mostly be spent travelling for business. Somewhere in there I need to make time for my family. Explaining to yet another person that the < $100 inkjet printer they bought is a useless winprinter isn't even on the radar. I hope you are still reading to here. I have been involved in FOSS projects for almost 10 years. I hate to see people with energy get discouraged, we need fresh faces, new blood, different directions. At the same time, you should be stepping up to do something, not stepping up to tell others what to do. Be brave, take the jump. See where you end up. I wish you the best. Be prepared to put in the hard yards. Cheers Dave PS Please consider dropping the 2 images from your signature and using plain text for the list, that would bring your ~40k message down to <4k :) -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
(Ryan, best of luck with the exams) At least in Melbourne, I think the problem is that there are a lot of groups for someone time competing. Eg. I have a Hackerspace meeting on Tuesdays which is the same evening as Linux Users of Victoria meetings. However, as we have software freedom day (the weekend 19th/20th around the country), the Ubuntu-au community has the opportunity to meet there for a discussion and coffee or other beverage. Otherwise weekends are usually faily clear but more difficult for those with families or other commitments that can't be shifted. Regarding IRC comms, we are never going to be able to stop those that join, ask a question and quit the minute after. It is always very difficult to provide volunteer driven real time support which is effective. I'm sorry but I don't think I have the answers.. Though it could be worth have a meet up somewhere on a monthly basis, not sure what format it should be. Perhaps as a brunch perhaps? But I don't think we need another specialised LUG. Regards George 2009/9/3 Ryan Ralph : > Hi there, > I'm a relatively new user to ubuntu compared to some of the more experiences > users out there. I have been following this emailing list for a while and > have found many interesting hints and tips. I'm not very into the IRC but I'm > definitely open to any new suggestions such as facebook groups for > communication. > As for meeting up, I'm in melbourne and so far haven't heard of anything > about this but would be definitely interested to get together with anyone > interested from melbourne. > Not being a member of this loco team for long I don't really know how things > should be run or could be improved but I'd definitely like to see things > running at full potential. > This could be really great and I'd like to do my best to contribute even > though its coming up to year 12 exams. Interested to see how things go... > -- > Ryan Ralph > ryanralph1...@gmail.com > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Greg McNamara > wrote: >> >> I'm up for any of the suggestions. I use Twitter which is good for updates >> and URL or info. I'm in Perth so local meets will always be a problem unless >> sufficient numbers. But I'm up for helping where I can guys gals >> >> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp? >> > From: dns_ser...@yahoo.com >> > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:51:15 +0930 >> > >> > Hi Scott, >> > >> > >> > I've been thinking about this for a while and i'm still not sure what we >> > can do of what we can do. >> > >> > First thing we need to work out what we are here for. >> > Are we here just as a mailing list/irc room for anyone who wanders in? >> > That is something that is relatively easy to do and does not have a huge >> > amount of overhead. This is what we are currently doing and is working >> > fine if that is all we want to do but we could do more. >> > >> > We have some problems that many loco's don't have. We are a big country >> > and we are not all in the same place. From what i can see most of the >> > active loco's are in a narrower area ie just a state in the usa where >> > there are a lot of people that can meet up. >> > >> > I don't think we can become a lug and all meet up and talk about ubuntu. >> > many it appears that most of the people that hang out in irc are from >> > sydney and it might work there but not nation wide. I'd be happy to do >> > something if we all meet up at things like linux.conf.au or osdc (i >> > should go to that atleast once) and i think we should atleast go out to >> > dinner at linux.conf.au, depending on how many are coming i'd be happy >> > to pay for peoples drinks or meals. >> > >> > We probably are not that big but feel free to speak up. To do anything >> > we need someone to think up an idea and then someone to do it. Feel free >> > to make a suggestion. We probably have a lot of people here with the >> > time and ability but not the ideas. >> > >> > I don't think we talk enough. We don't seem to have any developers on >> > this list, if we do please post a message on what project you are >> > working on. We should also share what we are doing as users. I've seen >> > some chatter about google wave in irc, how is that progressing for >> > example. >> > >> > I sit in irc most days. irc is great if you know someone but horrible if >> >
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Hi there,I'm a relatively new user to ubuntu compared to some of the more experiences users out there. I have been following this emailing list for a while and have found many interesting hints and tips. I'm not very into the IRC but I'm definitely open to any new suggestions such as facebook groups for communication. As for meeting up, I'm in melbourne and so far haven't heard of anything about this but would be definitely interested to get together with anyone interested from melbourne. Not being a member of this loco team for long I don't really know how things should be run or could be improved but I'd definitely like to see things running at full potential. This could be really great and I'd like to do my best to contribute even though its coming up to year 12 exams. Interested to see how things go... -- Ryan Ralph ryanralph1...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Greg McNamara wrote: > I'm up for any of the suggestions. I use Twitter which is good for updates > and URL or info. I'm in Perth so local meets will always be a problem unless > sufficient numbers. But I'm up for helping where I can guys gals > > > Subject: Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp? > > From: dns_ser...@yahoo.com > > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:51:15 +0930 > > > > > Hi Scott, > > > > > > I've been thinking about this for a while and i'm still not sure what we > > can do of what we can do. > > > > First thing we need to work out what we are here for. > > Are we here just as a mailing list/irc room for anyone who wanders in? > > That is something that is relatively easy to do and does not have a huge > > amount of overhead. This is what we are currently doing and is working > > fine if that is all we want to do but we could do more. > > > > We have some problems that many loco's don't have. We are a big country > > and we are not all in the same place. From what i can see most of the > > active loco's are in a narrower area ie just a state in the usa where > > there are a lot of people that can meet up. > > > > I don't think we can become a lug and all meet up and talk about ubuntu. > > many it appears that most of the people that hang out in irc are from > > sydney and it might work there but not nation wide. I'd be happy to do > > something if we all meet up at things like linux.conf.au or osdc (i > > should go to that atleast once) and i think we should atleast go out to > > dinner at linux.conf.au, depending on how many are coming i'd be happy > > to pay for peoples drinks or meals. > > > > We probably are not that big but feel free to speak up. To do anything > > we need someone to think up an idea and then someone to do it. Feel free > > to make a suggestion. We probably have a lot of people here with the > > time and ability but not the ideas. > > > > I don't think we talk enough. We don't seem to have any developers on > > this list, if we do please post a message on what project you are > > working on. We should also share what we are doing as users. I've seen > > some chatter about google wave in irc, how is that progressing for > > example. > > > > I sit in irc most days. irc is great if you know someone but horrible if > > you don't and it can take some time to get to know people there. We do > > get quite a bit of people joining #ubuntu-au, asking a question and > > leaving within a minute. it is kind of frustrating when it happens. > > there have been many times when someone will join, ask a question and > > leave before you are able to finish typing a hello message. > > > > Now i've spent far too long rambling about some of the problems what > > could we do? > > > > Well we have a planet which is good. We could try and make an effort to > > write something useful on there, anyone got any good tips etc? it is > > something we are doing but we could do more. It's probably not something > > that i'm going to do but if i have anything interesting to share i'll do > > it. > > > > Do we have a facebook group, twitter handles etc. i'm identi.ca/dns but > > i do not say a lot there. > > > > > > How do you find out about us? > > I've been an ubuntu user since neerly the start and had not bother > > joining a loco. I've known about loco's for a while but never got around > > to it. > > Do you guys mention it at lug meetings etc? a little bit of word of > > mouth will probably help. > > > > I'm goi
RE: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
I'm up for any of the suggestions. I use Twitter which is good for updates and URL or info. I'm in Perth so local meets will always be a problem unless sufficient numbers. But I'm up for helping where I can guys gals > Subject: Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp? > From: dns_ser...@yahoo.com > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:51:15 +0930 > > Hi Scott, > > > I've been thinking about this for a while and i'm still not sure what we > can do of what we can do. > > First thing we need to work out what we are here for. > Are we here just as a mailing list/irc room for anyone who wanders in? > That is something that is relatively easy to do and does not have a huge > amount of overhead. This is what we are currently doing and is working > fine if that is all we want to do but we could do more. > > We have some problems that many loco's don't have. We are a big country > and we are not all in the same place. From what i can see most of the > active loco's are in a narrower area ie just a state in the usa where > there are a lot of people that can meet up. > > I don't think we can become a lug and all meet up and talk about ubuntu. > many it appears that most of the people that hang out in irc are from > sydney and it might work there but not nation wide. I'd be happy to do > something if we all meet up at things like linux.conf.au or osdc (i > should go to that atleast once) and i think we should atleast go out to > dinner at linux.conf.au, depending on how many are coming i'd be happy > to pay for peoples drinks or meals. > > We probably are not that big but feel free to speak up. To do anything > we need someone to think up an idea and then someone to do it. Feel free > to make a suggestion. We probably have a lot of people here with the > time and ability but not the ideas. > > I don't think we talk enough. We don't seem to have any developers on > this list, if we do please post a message on what project you are > working on. We should also share what we are doing as users. I've seen > some chatter about google wave in irc, how is that progressing for > example. > > I sit in irc most days. irc is great if you know someone but horrible if > you don't and it can take some time to get to know people there. We do > get quite a bit of people joining #ubuntu-au, asking a question and > leaving within a minute. it is kind of frustrating when it happens. > there have been many times when someone will join, ask a question and > leave before you are able to finish typing a hello message. > > Now i've spent far too long rambling about some of the problems what > could we do? > > Well we have a planet which is good. We could try and make an effort to > write something useful on there, anyone got any good tips etc? it is > something we are doing but we could do more. It's probably not something > that i'm going to do but if i have anything interesting to share i'll do > it. > > Do we have a facebook group, twitter handles etc. i'm identi.ca/dns but > i do not say a lot there. > > > How do you find out about us? > I've been an ubuntu user since neerly the start and had not bother > joining a loco. I've known about loco's for a while but never got around > to it. > Do you guys mention it at lug meetings etc? a little bit of word of > mouth will probably help. > > I'm going to start a linux australia podcast (if anyone replies to my > message). if you want to bring back the ubuntu podcast i'd be happy to > help. > > Hopefully you have read all my rambling and we are waiting on your ideas > and suggestions. > > > Regards, > Daniel > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Guys, I'm in Brizvegas & check every release for a Brissy party to meet other Ubuntu users but alas there has been none. I am considering the next Sydney or Melbourne party just to touch base. I must confess to sitting on the sidelines waiting for "things" to happen, so I guess I'm part of the problem for not getting off my proverbial & participating or initiating activities. Cary -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Hi Scott, I've been thinking about this for a while and i'm still not sure what we can do of what we can do. First thing we need to work out what we are here for. Are we here just as a mailing list/irc room for anyone who wanders in? That is something that is relatively easy to do and does not have a huge amount of overhead. This is what we are currently doing and is working fine if that is all we want to do but we could do more. We have some problems that many loco's don't have. We are a big country and we are not all in the same place. From what i can see most of the active loco's are in a narrower area ie just a state in the usa where there are a lot of people that can meet up. I don't think we can become a lug and all meet up and talk about ubuntu. many it appears that most of the people that hang out in irc are from sydney and it might work there but not nation wide. I'd be happy to do something if we all meet up at things like linux.conf.au or osdc (i should go to that atleast once) and i think we should atleast go out to dinner at linux.conf.au, depending on how many are coming i'd be happy to pay for peoples drinks or meals. We probably are not that big but feel free to speak up. To do anything we need someone to think up an idea and then someone to do it. Feel free to make a suggestion. We probably have a lot of people here with the time and ability but not the ideas. I don't think we talk enough. We don't seem to have any developers on this list, if we do please post a message on what project you are working on. We should also share what we are doing as users. I've seen some chatter about google wave in irc, how is that progressing for example. I sit in irc most days. irc is great if you know someone but horrible if you don't and it can take some time to get to know people there. We do get quite a bit of people joining #ubuntu-au, asking a question and leaving within a minute. it is kind of frustrating when it happens. there have been many times when someone will join, ask a question and leave before you are able to finish typing a hello message. Now i've spent far too long rambling about some of the problems what could we do? Well we have a planet which is good. We could try and make an effort to write something useful on there, anyone got any good tips etc? it is something we are doing but we could do more. It's probably not something that i'm going to do but if i have anything interesting to share i'll do it. Do we have a facebook group, twitter handles etc. i'm identi.ca/dns but i do not say a lot there. How do you find out about us? I've been an ubuntu user since neerly the start and had not bother joining a loco. I've known about loco's for a while but never got around to it. Do you guys mention it at lug meetings etc? a little bit of word of mouth will probably help. I'm going to start a linux australia podcast (if anyone replies to my message). if you want to bring back the ubuntu podcast i'd be happy to help. Hopefully you have read all my rambling and we are waiting on your ideas and suggestions. Regards, Daniel -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Ubuntu-au Obsolete? or needing a revamp?
Is it still fair to say that Australia still has an "active" ubuntu team? It seems that the proposed monthly meeting have failed, if a call for help goes out on #ubuntu-au it generally goes unanswered as the person doing the asking is in need of a quick answer and possibly leaves assuming no-one wants to help them. Is ubuntu-au still a current valid loco team if it's essentially inactive? What I'm hoping to achieve here is constructive comments/criticism of the current state of ubuntu-au and hopefully get some activity happening again... (may just be banging my head against a brick wall!) Now I have abandoned any future applications (already tried twice only to be rejected) to become an ubuntu member due to the narrow minded ways of the force! but I'm keen to make a go of making something of ubuntu-au. Currently the ubuntu-au mailing list averages about 25-75 spam emails a day! and it's rare to see a valid request (from mirrored sources of this list) also they are generally requests for help. I realise that not everyone is at their PC 24/7 or active on IRC but if I was asked as to the current involvement of ubuntu-au I'd be hard pressed to give an truthful answer to it meaning as currently it achieves very little (IMHO) So please bring forth a plethora of suggestion/ideas & comments... I am but one... as many we are a community... lets make it "happen" -- Scott Evans VK7HSE Phone: +61362291658 Mobile: +61417586157 Skype: vk7hse sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org PGP/GPG Key ID 437E00F9 -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. <><>-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
