Re: Ubuntu AU LoCo Restructure Poll

2010-06-09 Thread bwright
We spent most of the meeting before last on the restructuring so why
would we repeat it. I will be voting :-)
On Jun 9, 11:24 am, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 9 June 2010 09:36, andrew gande...@gmail.com wrote:



  Bravo Ryan for bringing this forward,

  I will not be voting for any of the structures for the following
  reasons.

  1.  At last nights meeting there was no discussion of the actual
  positions on the team.

  2.  There has been no discussion on the direction  goals of the team
  (of which IMO are very important when deciding on how a team is to be
  structured  governed)

  If the above are addressed then it comes down to whether we want a
  'Democratic' process where candidates are voted for or a 'Meritocracy'
  process where people are appointed.

  Models 1  1a are clearly 'Meritocracy' and as it stands now, people are
  appointed indefinitely until they resign their positions.  This is the
  current model.

  Model 3 is ONE 'Democratic' representative model based on regional/city
  groups.  As there is no 'goal' of developing regional/city groups then
  this model is irrelevant.

  There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to
  positions based on merit every 12 months.  When people nominate for
  positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position
  and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco.

  As stated above, when we have a discussion on our goals, we can talk
  about positions, then we can talk about an election/appointment process.

  This is just my opinion and I know that others will disagree.

  Regards,

  Andrew G.

  On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 22:21 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote:
  Hey everyone,

  So, iv made a poll and iv made it so you can only select ONE option,
  although you can change your selection that is irrelevant since its
  not possible to vote multiple times using the same name. If you fake
  it and want to try my patience, then so be it.

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 Andrew and Ubuntu-AU,

 As far as positions go I thought the meeting basically detailed that
 to get it going forward we need to first decide what structure people
 wanted to follow. No one present voiced any objection to this from
 what I recall. After the structure was determined by the vote we could
 then look at positions based upon what option people chose. As far as
 discussing positions within the different structure options I think
 there is enough detail on the wiki for people to decide what structure
 is preferred.

 As far as directions and goals for the team go I thought we already
 had them, quoted from the wiki The Australian team focuses on
 distributing, advertising and demonstrating Ubuntu within Australia.
 Through the development of our projects we focus on the areas of
 schools, business and home users.

 Therefore this vote is the starting point we need to ensure the group
 is best structured according to what the majority of people think is
 best suited so that we can move forward with a defined structure. I am
 sorry that you have chosen not to participate, I respect your
 decisions but I don't see how that would be constructive. You say this
 is your opinion not to vote and others will disagree and the whole
 point of the vote is to get a consensus on everyone's opinions,
 including yours.

 Regards,

 Jared Norris.

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Ubuntu AU LoCo Restructure Poll

2010-06-08 Thread Ryan Macnish

Hey everyone,
So, iv made a poll and iv made it so you can only select ONE option, although 
you can change your selection that is irrelevant since its not possible to vote 
multiple times using the same name. If you fake it and want to try my patience, 
then so be it.
http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9
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Re: Ubuntu AU LoCo Restructure Poll

2010-06-08 Thread andrew
Bravo Ryan for bringing this forward,

I will not be voting for any of the structures for the following
reasons.

1.  At last nights meeting there was no discussion of the actual
positions on the team. 

2.  There has been no discussion on the direction  goals of the team
(of which IMO are very important when deciding on how a team is to be
structured  governed)

If the above are addressed then it comes down to whether we want a
'Democratic' process where candidates are voted for or a 'Meritocracy'
process where people are appointed.


Models 1  1a are clearly 'Meritocracy' and as it stands now, people are
appointed indefinitely until they resign their positions.  This is the
current model.

Model 3 is ONE 'Democratic' representative model based on regional/city
groups.  As there is no 'goal' of developing regional/city groups then
this model is irrelevant. 


There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to
positions based on merit every 12 months.  When people nominate for
positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position
and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco.

As stated above, when we have a discussion on our goals, we can talk
about positions, then we can talk about an election/appointment process.


This is just my opinion and I know that others will disagree.

Regards,

Andrew G.

   



On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 22:21 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote:
 Hey everyone,
 
 
 So, iv made a poll and iv made it so you can only select ONE option,
 although you can change your selection that is irrelevant since its
 not possible to vote multiple times using the same name. If you fake
 it and want to try my patience, then so be it.
 
 
 http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9
 
 
 Ryan Macnish
 
 
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