Re: Website Renewal
might be a bug with zimbra as well because using an external calendar has very few time syncing options, and it shows the meetings happening at 10am in the morning. http://ikt.id.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/zimbracal.png Making a quick post on the zimbra forums about it. On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM, MoLE wrote: > On 17 March 2011 22:12, George Patterson > wrote: > > I'm of the opinion that the RSS calendar feeds should have their > > events in UTC and the clients should adjust to the user preferences. > > Mainly because the concept of local time breaks when you try and > > bridge it over different timezones. You may not know what time offset > > you are from another location but you will know the offset from UTC. > > > > (Yes, that is basically what Jared has stated but wanted to add extra > weight.) > > There should be a script out there that would act as a proxy to > > re-write the rss/ical/whatever with the appropriate timezone applied, > > but again you need to know what the user's timezone is. > > > I agree - I suspect there is a limitation / bug in the lightning code > which doesn't accurately recognise the UTC field in the ics file and > compensate for the local offset. > > Google Calendar does this job fine - so could act as the script that > George mentions. > > I haven't tested if the same bug is present in Evolution - but I can > if there is any interest. > > On a further point - I'm happy to just have one source for calendaring > info - I'm happy if that is the loco.u.com site rather than u.org.au. > > It makes sense to keep the most up to date site (in terms of drupal > version) the current one, pending an upgrade of the ubuntu.org.au > drupal backend. > > Cheers all, > > > MoLE > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
On 17 March 2011 22:12, George Patterson wrote: > I'm of the opinion that the RSS calendar feeds should have their > events in UTC and the clients should adjust to the user preferences. > Mainly because the concept of local time breaks when you try and > bridge it over different timezones. You may not know what time offset > you are from another location but you will know the offset from UTC. > > (Yes, that is basically what Jared has stated but wanted to add extra weight.) > There should be a script out there that would act as a proxy to > re-write the rss/ical/whatever with the appropriate timezone applied, > but again you need to know what the user's timezone is. I agree - I suspect there is a limitation / bug in the lightning code which doesn't accurately recognise the UTC field in the ics file and compensate for the local offset. Google Calendar does this job fine - so could act as the script that George mentions. I haven't tested if the same bug is present in Evolution - but I can if there is any interest. On a further point - I'm happy to just have one source for calendaring info - I'm happy if that is the loco.u.com site rather than u.org.au. It makes sense to keep the most up to date site (in terms of drupal version) the current one, pending an upgrade of the ubuntu.org.au drupal backend. Cheers all, MoLE -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
I'm of the opinion that the RSS calendar feeds should have their events in UTC and the clients should adjust to the user preferences. Mainly because the concept of local time breaks when you try and bridge it over different timezones. You may not know what time offset you are from another location but you will know the offset from UTC. (Yes, that is basically what Jared has stated but wanted to add extra weight.) There should be a script out there that would act as a proxy to re-write the rss/ical/whatever with the appropriate timezone applied, but again you need to know what the user's timezone is. Regards George On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Jared Norris wrote: > I had a look into this and it apparently appears to be by design to > only work in UTC. The logic is that teams like ours that span multiple > time zones make it difficult to use any sort of set "local time" as it > will be different for different team members. Details can be found at > https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754 if you're > interested in the discussion. > > I'm not sure but is there anyway to set a timezone change for each > calendar you import? For example create a rule to add +10 (or whatever > timezone it is you live in) to all events? Or can you set it to > adjust? I'm not sure just thinking of ways to make it work. > > > Regards, > > Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
> Hi Jared, > > I think that solution to getting events on the website would work fine. The > issue of Thunderbird/Lightning showing events from the loco.u.c site at the > wrong time (using UTC instead of converting to local timezones) would still > exist with this method. However, I haven't yet had time to test if using an > events module on the u.org.au site that imports from loco.u.c and then > subscribing to that calendar in Lightning would fix the problem, so at this > stage I think your solution would be the easiest to implement and use. > > Regards, > Joel > > Joel, I had a look into this and it apparently appears to be by design to only work in UTC. The logic is that teams like ours that span multiple time zones make it difficult to use any sort of set "local time" as it will be different for different team members. Details can be found at https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754 if you're interested in the discussion. I'm not sure but is there anyway to set a timezone change for each calendar you import? For example create a rule to add +10 (or whatever timezone it is you live in) to all events? Or can you set it to adjust? I'm not sure just thinking of ways to make it work. Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
On 17/03/2011 7:56 PM, Jared Norris wrote: The current calendar on the site looks to be using the Event module, which has not had a new release since 2007. The module used by most people now for calendars is a combination of the Date + Calendar modules. This setup is quite different to Event from what I can tell (I haven't used Event module at all), so it might take a bit more configuration to change to. However it is worth changing to the Date + Calendar modules, as it give a full upgrade path in the future. Another positive is that the Calendar module support subscribing to ical format calendars, so the loco.u.com calendar should be able to be used on the u.org.au website (no doubling up on adding entries). Good evening Ubuntu-AU'ers, I have a thought on the duplication of work across the different communication methods we have for our team. Would anyone object to not even running an events module on the main website (www.ubuntu.org.au) and just providing an "events" button that is a direct link to the loco.u.c site (http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au) where it lists all upcoming events and meetings anyway? We could add the RSS feed from the loco.u.c site to the page as well so it will grab the details of events as they're added and publish it to the website so that it still acts as a sounding board for that aspect of the team. This would be the simplest solution which in my experience is often the best but I wanted to make sure this is an acceptable solution to the team. Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris Hi Jared, I think that solution to getting events on the website would work fine. The issue of Thunderbird/Lightning showing events from the loco.u.c site at the wrong time (using UTC instead of converting to local timezones) would still exist with this method. However, I haven't yet had time to test if using an events module on the u.org.au site that imports from loco.u.c and then subscribing to that calendar in Lightning would fix the problem, so at this stage I think your solution would be the easiest to implement and use. Regards, Joel -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
>> The current calendar on the site looks to be using the Event module, which >> has not had a new release since 2007. The module used by most people now for >> calendars is a combination of the Date + Calendar modules. This setup is >> quite different to Event from what I can tell (I haven't used Event module >> at all), so it might take a bit more configuration to change to. However it >> is worth changing to the Date + Calendar modules, as it give a full upgrade >> path in the future. Another positive is that the Calendar module support >> subscribing to ical format calendars, so the loco.u.com calendar should be >> able to be used on the u.org.au website (no doubling up on adding entries). >> Good evening Ubuntu-AU'ers, I have a thought on the duplication of work across the different communication methods we have for our team. Would anyone object to not even running an events module on the main website (www.ubuntu.org.au) and just providing an "events" button that is a direct link to the loco.u.c site (http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au) where it lists all upcoming events and meetings anyway? We could add the RSS feed from the loco.u.c site to the page as well so it will grab the details of events as they're added and publish it to the website so that it still acts as a sounding board for that aspect of the team. This would be the simplest solution which in my experience is often the best but I wanted to make sure this is an acceptable solution to the team. Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
> Hi all, > > I was the other person discussing fixing up the website (IRC nick - jaddi27) > with Jared after the meeting on Tuesday. > > From what I can see, which is not too much without having admin permissions, > it looks like the ubuntu.org.au website is using Drupal 5.x. This version > was recently retired with the release of Drupal 7 earlier this year, so as a > start I would suggest getting the site upgraded to Drupal 6.x. After the > upgrade of the core Drupal install, the other modules adding functionality > to the site can be upgraded. > > The current calendar on the site looks to be using the Event module, which > has not had a new release since 2007. The module used by most people now for > calendars is a combination of the Date + Calendar modules. This setup is > quite different to Event from what I can tell (I haven't used Event module > at all), so it might take a bit more configuration to change to. However it > is worth changing to the Date + Calendar modules, as it give a full upgrade > path in the future. Another positive is that the Calendar module support > subscribing to ical format calendars, so the loco.u.com calendar should be > able to be used on the u.org.au website (no doubling up on adding entries). > > The Ubuntu Drupal modules are all made for Drupal 6.x at the moment. This > would be one of the main reasons for going with Drupal 6.x and not Drupal 7. > You can see an example site with the Ubuntu Drupal modules and theme at > http://staging.profarius.com/. There are also other colours available in > that theme, not just brown. > > I am happy to assist where I can, in between Uni assignments and study. > > Regards, > Joel > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > Joel, Thanks for your input, as someone "on the outside" (of the Drupal community) I know what I'd like the website to do but no idea how to make it happen so this is the sort of information I/we need. If you could have a quick look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WebsiteRenewal and add some detail there that would be absolutely wonderful. It will just save us all trawling through email threads to find bits and pieces of information. If anyone else has any thoughts on other modules we could include that haven't been mentioned, or just want to add your own 2 cents, just put your ideas up on the wiki page and shoot the mailing list and email describing your idea so we can all discuss the options. Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
On 11/03/2011 1:31 PM, MoLE wrote: On 9 March 2011 17:59, Jared Norris wrote: Feel free to suggest anything you like for the site but please make sure it's going to contribute to the website, not just be there so we can say we have it. Jared and ??jra2011 (apologies if I got the nick wrong) did some work looking at the calendaring issues with the u.org.au site vs the loco.u.com site and providing a readable on-line calendar for the major calendaring applications . This happened after the meeting in the #ubuntu-au channel the other night. I tend to use thunderbird + lightning and google calendar. Interestingly the loco.u.com calendar I was able to import as a network calendar, but the time zone was messed up (ie not recognised as being in UTC, lightning assumed the times were local time). As a workaround I imported into google calendar and subscribed to the calendar feed from there. Google Calendar imported the times correctly. I suspect this is a bug in lightning but worth being aware of. Unfortunately the calendar on the u.org.au site wouldn't import at all. Why am I putting this out there? Well, for me to be able to participate, it really helps to be able to have a dynamic calendar I can rely on being updated by the team, so I can effectively coordinate my non-ubuntu activities alongside. Plus it makes us look like we know what we're doing. I'm not a drupal person (I have a limited amount of joomla experience), but I'd be happy to do any calendar testing that is needed. I would anticipate testing with evolution, lightning and google calendar, or any other calendaring software that team members nominate. Hope this helps, MoLE Hi all, I was the other person discussing fixing up the website (IRC nick - jaddi27) with Jared after the meeting on Tuesday. From what I can see, which is not too much without having admin permissions, it looks like the ubuntu.org.au website is using Drupal 5.x. This version was recently retired with the release of Drupal 7 earlier this year, so as a start I would suggest getting the site upgraded to Drupal 6.x. After the upgrade of the core Drupal install, the other modules adding functionality to the site can be upgraded. The current calendar on the site looks to be using the Event module, which has not had a new release since 2007. The module used by most people now for calendars is a combination of the Date + Calendar modules. This setup is quite different to Event from what I can tell (I haven't used Event module at all), so it might take a bit more configuration to change to. However it is worth changing to the Date + Calendar modules, as it give a full upgrade path in the future. Another positive is that the Calendar module support subscribing to ical format calendars, so the loco.u.com calendar should be able to be used on the u.org.au website (no doubling up on adding entries). The Ubuntu Drupal modules are all made for Drupal 6.x at the moment. This would be one of the main reasons for going with Drupal 6.x and not Drupal 7. You can see an example site with the Ubuntu Drupal modules and theme at http://staging.profarius.com/. There are also other colours available in that theme, not just brown. I am happy to assist where I can, in between Uni assignments and study. Regards, Joel -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
On 9 March 2011 17:59, Jared Norris wrote: > Feel free to suggest anything you like for the site but please make > sure it's going to contribute to the website, not just be there so we > can say we have it. Jared and ??jra2011 (apologies if I got the nick wrong) did some work looking at the calendaring issues with the u.org.au site vs the loco.u.com site and providing a readable on-line calendar for the major calendaring applications . This happened after the meeting in the #ubuntu-au channel the other night. I tend to use thunderbird + lightning and google calendar. Interestingly the loco.u.com calendar I was able to import as a network calendar, but the time zone was messed up (ie not recognised as being in UTC, lightning assumed the times were local time). As a workaround I imported into google calendar and subscribed to the calendar feed from there. Google Calendar imported the times correctly. I suspect this is a bug in lightning but worth being aware of. Unfortunately the calendar on the u.org.au site wouldn't import at all. Why am I putting this out there? Well, for me to be able to participate, it really helps to be able to have a dynamic calendar I can rely on being updated by the team, so I can effectively coordinate my non-ubuntu activities alongside. Plus it makes us look like we know what we're doing. I'm not a drupal person (I have a limited amount of joomla experience), but I'd be happy to do any calendar testing that is needed. I would anticipate testing with evolution, lightning and google calendar, or any other calendaring software that team members nominate. Hope this helps, MoLE -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
On 9 March 2011 17:29, Jared Norris wrote: > Good afternoon Ubuntu-AU'ers, > > can say we have it. Also if there is anyone with Drupal experience > that wants to organise, or be part of a group to organise, this > transition please let us know. As much as the request has to come from > the Team Contact I have to know what it is I'm going to need to ask > for in a manner that makes sense to people who use Drupal (I'm far > from an expert in Drupal management or creation). > I know my way around Drupal and am happy to help in any way I can. James. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
On 10 March 2011 18:11, Stephen Rees-Carter wrote: > I don't really know what is involved in this, and I've never used > Drupal so I could be completely missing the point here, but... > I'm a PHP developer, so I am happy to do some PHP stuff if required. > > Do we have server/FTP/SSH access, or just admin accounts to the Drupal > installation(s)? > > Thanks, > ~Stephen > > -- > Stephen Rees-Carter ~ Valorin > http://stephen.rees-carter.net > Stephen, Thanks for the offer, my understanding is that we have admin accounts on the Drupal installation. I'm sure someone can correct me if I'm wrong but essentially we make requests to the Canonical support team to have upgrades performed or new modules installed. Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Website Renewal
I don't really know what is involved in this, and I've never used Drupal so I could be completely missing the point here, but... I'm a PHP developer, so I am happy to do some PHP stuff if required. Do we have server/FTP/SSH access, or just admin accounts to the Drupal installation(s)? Thanks, ~Stephen On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Jared Norris wrote: > Good afternoon Ubuntu-AU'ers, > > Sorry for all the individual emails to the list but I feel keeping > each separate topic to a separate thread makes the whole list easier > to read for all involved. So here is another one. As discussed at last > night's meeting I think it's time we had a look at renewing our > current team website (www.ubuntu.com.au). To get discussion and > contributions going I have created a wiki page at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WebsiteRenewal for us > all to add ideas to. The goal of this is to organise what it is we > want to achieve so that we can then go to Canonical ,who host the > site, and request the changes in one go rather than having 10 > different requests put through. > > Feel free to suggest anything you like for the site but please make > sure it's going to contribute to the website, not just be there so we > can say we have it. Also if there is anyone with Drupal experience > that wants to organise, or be part of a group to organise, this > transition please let us know. As much as the request has to come from > the Team Contact I have to know what it is I'm going to need to ask > for in a manner that makes sense to people who use Drupal (I'm far > from an expert in Drupal management or creation). > > Regards, > > Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- Stephen Rees-Carter ~ Valorin http://stephen.rees-carter.net -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Website Renewal
Good afternoon Ubuntu-AU'ers, Sorry for all the individual emails to the list but I feel keeping each separate topic to a separate thread makes the whole list easier to read for all involved. So here is another one. As discussed at last night's meeting I think it's time we had a look at renewing our current team website (www.ubuntu.com.au). To get discussion and contributions going I have created a wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WebsiteRenewal for us all to add ideas to. The goal of this is to organise what it is we want to achieve so that we can then go to Canonical ,who host the site, and request the changes in one go rather than having 10 different requests put through. Feel free to suggest anything you like for the site but please make sure it's going to contribute to the website, not just be there so we can say we have it. Also if there is anyone with Drupal experience that wants to organise, or be part of a group to organise, this transition please let us know. As much as the request has to come from the Team Contact I have to know what it is I'm going to need to ask for in a manner that makes sense to people who use Drupal (I'm far from an expert in Drupal management or creation). Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
