Re: [Ubuntu-be] installation problem with VirtualBox 4.0

[Christophe Strobbe]

At 15:22 24/01/2011, Bram Gadeyne wrote:

Dear Christophe,

I have also noticed that VirtualBox has problems with Ubuntu 10.10. 
Or Ubuntu 10.10 has problems with VirtualBox ;-).


I would suggest you try installing it using wubi. It will look as if 
you have installed Ubuntu in dual boot but in fact you can remove 
Ubuntu from windows like you would uninstal every other program.


Surfing the net I also found one solution that might work. 
VirtualBox has some guest tools that you can install. Maybe you can 
boot VirtualBox in live CD mode and install these guest tools in 
there. Then You can try and install Ubuntu afterwards.


Thank you Bram and (off-list) Wouter,

I was finally able to get through the installation process: after 
suspending the process I did not remove Ubuntu from VirtualBox (which 
was what I did the first 3/4 times) but simply restarted it from 
inside VirtualBox. This time I made sure that my network cable was 
already plugged in before starting Ubuntu (otherwise the installer 
did not seem to detect the network connection) and that I used the 
mouse instead of the arrow keys to select the keyboard. The 
installation completed in a normal fashion.
(After shutting down and restarting Ubuntu, the system displayed the 
Try/Install Ubuntu screen again and I had no access to my user 
account. This was confusing but it appears that I should raise this 
issue on another mailng list.)


Best regards,

Christophe




With kind regards

Bram Gadeyne

2011/1/24 Christophe Strobbe 
<<mailto:christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be>christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be>

Hi,

I tried installing Ubuntu 10.10 in VirtualBox 4.0 on Windows XP SP3, 
but the installation stalls each time at the keyboard layout screen. 
I use English versions or UI for all my software, but the machine I 
want to install this on is a Dell Precision laptop with a Belgian 
keyboard. The "Figure out keboard layout" function suggests "France" 
in the left-hand side of the screen, but without updating the list 
of keyboards in the right-hand side (where I get "Turkmenistan" and 
"Turkmenistan Alt-Q"). The Back and Forward buttons turn grey and 
the spinner just keeps spinning as if something ended up in an 
endless loop. The only option I can see is to suspend the process 
and try again, but I have done this several times by now...


(I used the following options in VirtualBox:
Base Memory: 768 MB
Fixed-size storage: 8 GB
I then pointed VirtualBox to the Ubuntu 10.10 ISO image on my hard 
disk (I though that should work).)


Is this a known problem? Is there a solution? Searching the Web did 
not give me any clues.


Best regards,

Christophe Strobbe


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] installation problem with VirtualBox 4.0

[Christophe Strobbe]

Hi Ward,

At 15:04 24/01/2011, Ward De Ridder wrote:

Hello Christophe,

First of all, the ubuntu-be mailinglist is not meant for support, 
you can use the ubuntu-en, ubuntu-fr or ubuntu-nl mailinglist for support.


I know about the existence of those lists, but please tell me: how 
many users outside Belgium have experience with Belgian keyboard 
issues? That's why I came to this list first.


Best regards,

Christophe


For the keyboard layout auto detect you should type the  +  is 
you're asked to press one of the keys. That way it will detect Belgian AZERTY.
I didn't have problems installing ubuntu 10.10 yet, but I only did 
installations on physical machines so far, not with virtual box.


Ward

2011/1/24 Christophe Strobbe 
<<mailto:christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be>christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be>

Hi,

I tried installing Ubuntu 10.10 in VirtualBox 4.0 on Windows XP SP3, 
but the installation stalls each time at the keyboard layout screen. 
I use English versions or UI for all my software, but the machine I 
want to install this on is a Dell Precision laptop with a Belgian 
keyboard. The "Figure out keboard layout" function suggests "France" 
in the left-hand side of the screen, but without updating the list 
of keyboards in the right-hand side (where I get "Turkmenistan" and 
"Turkmenistan Alt-Q"). The Back and Forward buttons turn grey and 
the spinner just keeps spinning as if something ended up in an 
endless loop. The only option I can see is to suspend the process 
and try again, but I have done this several times by now...


(I used the following options in VirtualBox:
Base Memory: 768 MB
Fixed-size storage: 8 GB
I then pointed VirtualBox to the Ubuntu 10.10 ISO image on my hard 
disk (I though that should work).)


Is this a known problem? Is there a solution? Searching the Web did 
not give me any clues.


Best regards,

Christophe Strobbe



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[Ubuntu-be] installation problem with VirtualBox 4.0

[Christophe Strobbe]

Hi,

I tried installing Ubuntu 10.10 in VirtualBox 4.0 on Windows XP SP3, 
but the installation stalls each time at the keyboard layout screen. 
I use English versions or UI for all my software, but the machine I 
want to install this on is a Dell Precision laptop with a Belgian 
keyboard. The "Figure out keboard layout" function suggests "France" 
in the left-hand side of the screen, but without updating the list of 
keyboards in the right-hand side (where I get "Turkmenistan" and 
"Turkmenistan Alt-Q"). The Back and Forward buttons turn grey and the 
spinner just keeps spinning as if something ended up in an endless 
loop. The only option I can see is to suspend the process and try 
again, but I have done this several times by now...


(I used the following options in VirtualBox:
Base Memory: 768 MB
Fixed-size storage: 8 GB
I then pointed VirtualBox to the Ubuntu 10.10 ISO image on my hard 
disk (I though that should work).)


Is this a known problem? Is there a solution? Searching the Web did 
not give me any clues.


Best regards,

Christophe Strobbe


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] eID

[Christophe Vandeplas]

I know why,
I'm in contact with people from irisbox.

The real problem is a 'wrong called lib'. The solution is to add a symlink.
I'm trying to convice them it's THEIR code that is wrong, because the
belpic lib changed libnames their old soft needs to be changed.

ping me out of band please

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:51 PM, mongolito404  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As many of us, I've an eID and a nice blue reader. Like most of us, I
> rarely use it. But I've successfully installed the middelware
> following the procedure documented on the Ubuntu-fr.org documentation
> site. Today I wanted to request some official documents through the
> IRISbox website http://irisbox.irisnet.be/. The site checks my
> configuration and reports that the eID "software" is installed. But I
> can connect to https://mondossier.rrn.fgov.be and read my card info
> using the beidgui tool.
>
> I googled a bit and found that a new version of the eID middleware
> (3.x) has been released but not for Ubuntu which is stuck at 2.x. The
> Ubuntu-fr.org doc wiki has a "quick howto"
> (http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/utiliser_carte_identite_electronique_belge)
> but I wonder if anyone here has more information or knowledge on how
> to get it the latest middleware to work on Ubuntu.
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[Ubuntu-be] [Fwd: [Fwd: Vraag van een potentieel Ubuntu-gebruiker]]

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Hi,


As I'm not living in Leuven anymore, could someone contact this person 
for support?


Thanks

 Original Message 
Subject: [Fwd: Vraag van een potentieel Ubuntu-gebruiker]
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:15:58 +0200
From: Christian Vandeplas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



 Message original 
Sujet:  Vraag van een potentieel Ubuntu-gebruiker
Date:   Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:53:15 -0400 (EDT)
De: Ubuntu-steunpuntenkaart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Répondre à ::   De Nutte Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pour :: 
Copie à ::  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hallo, Christophe,
De Nutte Glenn heeft ons gevraagd je Ubuntu-steunpunt te contacteren met
het oog op een gratis Ubuntu-installatieset..

Hier is zijn/haar bericht voor jou:Geachte,

Ik ben op zoek naar een Ubuntu-installatieset voor mijn laptop Amilo M
1437G. Ik heb echter nog nooit deze open-source software gebruikt maar ben
wel benieuwd.
Met veel moeite kon ik er Windows XP/Vista opzetten aangezien die niet over
de geschikte Sata-raid driver beschikte. Na veel moeite is dit dan toch
eindelijk gelukt.
Echter na dit omzeild probleem, bood het volgende zich reeds aan. Bij het
heropstarten verschijnen er verticale lijnen doorheen het scherm alsook in
Windows zelfs. Dit probleem is gekend en is te wijten aan de Ati Radeon
X700
geografische kaart. Ati zijn drivers zijn vaak consistent met de
chipfabrikant van de laptops. Dus het is zuiver te wijten aan de drivers en
niet aan de hardware maar niemand heeft er echt een oplossing voor.
Echter nu ben ik het meer dan beu want het is meestal formateren windows
installeren al dan niet met andere drivers of zelfs niet en bij de volgende
heropstart terug verticale lijnen of blijft hem hangen en begint de miserie
opnieuw.
Dus ik gedacht om een ander besturingssysteem eens uit te proberen.
Ik hoop dat u mij hiermee verder kunt helpen en ben meer dan benieuwd.

Met vriendelijke groeten en hopend op een positieve respons.


Glenn De Nutte
Tiensevest 142
3000 Leuven

Je kan hem/haar contacteren door op dit bericht te antwoorden.of via
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Enough already!

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

> What is the current policy on quoting and such?
> Bottom-post?
> Top-post?
> Interleaved?
> Snipping or not?
> Long sigs, short sigs?

Amedee,

Begin nu aub even niet hé

You know that such subjects are completely ridiculous and are only 
directed towards generating flame-wars.


Thanks

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Enough already!

[Christophe Vandeplas]

I can only confirm this...
Let's hope this good and lenghty mail will be the end of these endless
and useless discussions.


On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Alex Ficelle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear list,
>
>  Some people speak only Dutch, some people speak only French, some both
>  Dutch and French or French and Dutch, some can also speak English, some
>  no English at all. No matter the combination of languages you choose,
>  not everybody will ever be totally satisfied or comfortable.
>
>  I notice the current language "policy" used on this mailing list has
>  worked well until now. Those who can, write in English; those who
>  cannot, write in their own language. Messages intended for everybody
>  were written in English; messages intended only for people speaking a
>  certain language were written in that language. People who could not
>  read the language used in a particular message, but felt that particular
>  message might be of interest, asked for the meaning or for a translation
>  on the list or made a special effort to decode it by themselves.
>
>  As for real-life meetings, English has always been the lingua frenca
>  (even if a clumsy one) and has enabled us to communicate when the whole
>  group was concerned (even if communication was not 100 % perfect) and to
>  get things done or going. People usually reverted to French or Dutch
>  when speaking of informal matters in smaller sub-groups (during breaks,
>  for example); they usually switched back to English when someone who
>  could not understand the language felt an interest in the topic at hand.
>
>  In the past few months, I reduced my involvement in Ubuntu-be
>  significantly because of big (time-consuming) changes in my personal
>  life. I kept reading this list, though (and I have no problem reading
>  messages in English, Dutch, French or German). And I must say I do
>  really not like the new trend in the past few months of debating over
>  language "issues" more than organizing events about Ubuntu.
>
>  I read many times repeated that the current language policy would drive
>  people away from the list. Like I said above, my experience has shown
>  that the policy has worked well until now. And right now, those sterile
>  and endless debates about language are driving me away from the list,
>  not the policy.
>
>  Alexandre
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Un truc...

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Jan Claeys wrote:
> Op zondag 02-03-2008 om 23:13 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Cedric
> Janssens:
>> SOmething  a little bit hard...
>>
>> When a teacher in a school tell to his pupils to launch the computer
>> with a big Windows logo during the boot sequence. When the title of
>> the course is learning MSWord...
>> Isn't it a infraction to the article 41 of the "pacte scolaire" of
>> 1959 ?
>>
>> http://www.educationsante.be/es/article.php?id=942
> 
> Good point, but what if they use a course title of "word processing"
> instead, and still teach the same MS Word-myopic course?

That is indeed the right 'solution'.
Teachers shouldn't teach a specific application (except with very very 
specific stuff of course), but they should teach the principles.

Check these documents (dutch) if you have some time



> I think teaching the teachers is te most important thing now...

Correct; But also the most difficult part...


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] fosdem

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Off list even kort de situatie uitgelegd aan Bart;

Ik zou het enorm apprecieren om deze thread gewoon te negeren en zo te laten.
Het zijn uiteindelijk toch doel-loze gesprekken die voor ruzies zorgen.

Enfin, moeilijk om te formuleren maar please trust me.

Groeten

christophe

On 2/26/08, Kevin Elaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mja Bart soms heb je van die mensen die alles eruit flappen zonder echt
>  stil te staan bij hetgeen ze zeggen.
>
>  Bart Broeckx schreef:
>
> > Hij zou zich moeten schamen,
>  >
>  > Ubuntu is er eigenhandig voor verantwoordelijk dat Linux langzaam ook
>  > bij niet nerds op de pc komt te staan. Je hoeft het niet met Ubuntu
>  > eens te zijn, kies gewoon voor een andere distro die je beter ligt.
>  > Dat zo iemand meewerkt op FOSDEM stoort me wel.
>  >
>  > Als iemand niet mag komen omdat hij zegt dat "Open software: Evil" is
>  > dan vind ik dat iemand die "Fuck Ubuntu" zegt ook niet welkom zou
>  > mogen zijn. We zouden moeten samenwerken en elkaar niet tegenwerken,
>  > jammer.
>  >
>  > vriendelijke groeten,
>  >
>  >
>  > Op 26-02-08 heeft *Serge van Ginderachter* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> het volgende geschreven:
>
> >
>  >
>  > - "Christophe Vandeplas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>  >
>  > > > Hoe kan je dit relativeren als men in één zin een populaire linux
>  > > >  distributie en de bijhorende community neersabelt en
>  > vergelijkt met
>  > > een
>  > > >  heel grote  hoop stinkende paardestr?
>  > > >  En voor welke reden dan nog.
>  > >
>  > > Als je Philip goed kent, dan kan je dat :-)
>  >
>  > Waarom kan hij niet eens relativeren?
>  >
>  > --
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>  >
>  >
>  > Serge
>  >
>  > Serge van Ginderachter  http://www.vanginderachter.be/
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] fosdem

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> Hoe kan je dit relativeren als men in één zin een populaire linux
>  distributie en de bijhorende community neersabelt en vergelijkt met een
>  heel grote  hoop stinkende paardestr?
>  En voor welke reden dan nog.

Als je Philip goed kent, dan kan je dat :-)
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] document freedom day

[Christophe Vandeplas]

On 2/26/08, .: liezie :. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I often use the analogy with cars when I want to explain geek things to
> non-geek people.
> It is a usefull analogy that works most of the time very well.
>
> In this example I would compare it with the "car-radio standards" which
> allow me to "just" buy a radio in any shop, because - due to these standards
> - the sizes and cables will fit, no matter the brand. I would then compare
> to windscreenwipers to explain the non-standard approach where you have to
> write down your brand and type of car, and check a big catalogue in the shop
> to make sure that you buy the correct wiper.

Comparisons like this are indeed something that helps 'normal people'
to understand complicated things.

It's really difficult for IT people to do this, but if you have good
stories (like Lieze) don't hesitate to tell them to your fellow
ubuntu-ers.

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] fosdem

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Een andere organisatielid zegt: Philip is een pracht van een kerel,
maar soms moet je zijn opmerkingen relativeren ...

On 2/26/08, Serge van Ginderachter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  - "llitaar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Enkel spijtig van één organisatielid:
>  > http://www.paeps.cx/weblog/Linux/fuck_ubuntu
>
>
> Ik vrees dat Philip er nooit in zal slagen om zich in iemand anders 
> leefwereld in te leven.
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] presentations

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Tom Van Braeckel wrote:

> Also, tomorrow is FOSDEM (http://fosdem.org) in Brussels. It's an open
> source event with lots of interesting presentations and people.
> Although I've never been there before, I expect you'll find a lot of
> ways to support Ubuntu (and open source) there.

Ubuntu-be will be there and have a stand.


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Andy Airey wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Here are some stats collected by the W3C.org:
> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
> 
> Don't forget there's the "iGeneration" ;-)

Some stats for FOSDEM;

Linux   45.3 %
Windows 40.2 %
Macintosh   9 %
Unknown 4 %
BSD 0.7 %
Sun Solaris 0.4 %

True, this is not the average computer user :-)

> On 21/02/2008, Mark Van den Borre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2008/2/21, Mattias Campe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>>  BTW Some time ago somebody posted the results of some Belgian survey
>>> somewhere where we could read that Linux is the most popular Linux
>>> distribution in Belgium, but I can't seem to find that message any more.
>>> Does somebody has any clue?
>>>  Hmm, of course I mean '...where *Ubuntu* is the most popular Linux
>>> distribution in Belgium...'
>> What's gone wrong with the world, that I'm now googling my own posts? :-)
>>
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-be/2007-September/003342.html
>
> 
> 


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] FOSDEM 2008 - February 22-24

[Christophe Vandeplas]

.: liezie :. wrote:
> Hey,

Hello

> I was wondering. I volunteered for the Ubuntu boot but since this is my
> first, is there somebody i should coordinate with?
> I've never been to fosdem and i've never done an ubuntu boot.

Depending on the time of arrival...

First of all it's not a bad idea to go to the infodesk to grab a bag that 
contains the booklet with schedules and map.

Then head to the stand that will either be in the main hallway or the Aw 
building. (that little building sourrounded by grass)

You should recognise the ubuntu stand, if you're the first one there 
should be a paper on the table with 'ubuntu-be' written on it.

Jan Claeys (JanC on irc) is the official contact between ubuntu-be and 
FOSDEM. He will/should probably arrive before everyone.


Isn't it Jan ? :-)


See you this weekend

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] 2008 kickoff meeting next sunday, Brussels

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Mark Van den Borre wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> As some already know...
> 
> There will be a 2008 kickoff meeting for ubuntu-be.org next sunday in
> Brussels. If you (want to) spend some of your time stimulating the
> growth of ubuntu in Belgium, you really want to be there.

Thank you to all that were present,
it was an interesting and productive day.

Such events should take place more often. (that was also a conclusion of 
one of the workshops). Please take your agenda and reserve the 23-24 feb 
2008 for the FOSDEM conference. Ubuntu-be (and -nl, ...) will be present. 
I'll be a great social-networking-weekend.

Could someone upload the last versions of the notes on the wiki? Thanks !
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/2008kickoff


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] poll "Beste besturingssysteem" op Tweakers.Net

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Jan Claeys wrote:
> Op dinsdag 25-12-2007 om 22:21 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Christophe
> Vandeplas:
>> Jan toch... *moet* ??
>>
>> Freedom of Choice hé...
> 
> Ik ben de laatste die iemand zou dwingen, maar "moet" is hier in het
> kader van de doelstellingen van ubuntu/ubuntu-be/ubuntu-nl...  ;)
> 
> (En bug #1 natuurlijk!)

En ik dacht dat de ironie duidelijk was met m'n lijst van de mogelijke
'keuzes' ...

Toch niet zo te zien :-(


Enfin, gewoon vergeten en de energie steken in bug #1 zoals je zegt


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] poll "Beste besturingssysteem" op Tweakers.Net

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Jan Claeys wrote:
> 
> 
> Dit moet uiteraard Ubuntu worden!  :-)

Jan toch... *moet* ??

Freedom of Choice hé...
1) ubuntu
2) kubuntu
3) xubuntu
4) edubuntu

:-)

5) of macosx :-)
/me runs away


maar toch heb ik voor ubuntu gekozen na lang twijfelen met Mac :-)
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Handleiding Ubuntu - doe je mee?

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Hoi Erik,

Mooi initiatief, maar ken je eigenlijk :
<http://nl.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hoofdpagina> ?

Misschien een goed idee dat je dit verder bekijkt in plaats van 'Yet
Another Handleidingen Site' te maken.

"Wikibooks is een gemeenschapsproject met als doel de mensheid
kosteloos vrije inhoud leerboeken en ander lesmateriaal ter
beschikking te stellen, zie ook onze missie en visie. Op dit moment
zijn er 2.143 hoofdstukken aanwezig in 141 boeken en 304 hoofdstukken
in 28 Wikijunior-boeken, waaraan wordt gewerkt. U kunt elk hoofdstuk
uitbreiden of aanpassen en wordt daartoe dan ook van harte
uitgenodigd."

My 2 euro-cent

Christophe

On 12/18/07, Erik Dubois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Handleiding voor Ubuntu voor beginners (en gevorderden)
>
> SCHRIJVERS gezocht !
>
> Ik had graag Ubuntu bekender gemaakt door een Nederlandstalige website te
> maken www.osgids.be met een subdomain Ubuntu. Momenteel is het domein
> gekocht en is er nog maar weinig te zien.
>
> De bedoeling is dat studenten Office Management, EPM, van de KdG,
> departement Office Management, deze website maken. Dit is één van hun
> hoofdprojecten. Dus er is een 100% zekerheid dat deze site er komt !!
>
> Om een website te maken moeten er 'documenten' zijn.
>
> Vermits ik maar 1 hoofd en twee armen heb, vrees ik dat ik kracht en tijd te
> kort kom om alle facetten van Ubuntu te bespreken. Er is al heel wat
> geschreven en er bestaat ook een documentmanagement systeem waar we al de
> documenten kunnen posten nl. http://db.osgids.org. Zo voorkomen we dubbel
> werk.
>
> Ik ben op zoek naar mensen, die misschien voor zichzelf reeds een
> handleiding geschreven hebben en die herbruikbaar is om de site fraaier te
> maken. Misschien wil je wel actief meewerken in het schrijven van nieuwe
> projecten...
>
> Twee luiken voor de handleidingen :
> 1, voor de leek
> 2, voor de gevorderde (Toegepaste Informatica publiek)
>
> Momenteel ben ik al enkele maanden aan het schrijven en het wordt wat veel
> voor 1 man.
>
> Als je kan/wil helpen,laat maar iets weten via de mail. Als er betere
> kanalen zijn om dit bericht te posten, laat dan aub ook een mailtje.
>
> Op hoop van zegen dus deze mail.
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten
>
> Erik Dubois
> Erik.Dubois en dan een @ en dan edpnet.be
> (vervelend die spambots)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu stand at FOSDEM

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Jan Claeys wrote:
> Op vrijdag 16-11-2007 om 09:06 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Wouter
> Horré:
>> Wouldn't it be possible to fill a devroom (for a day) if we cooperate
>> with other LoCoteams/other projects?
> 
> Or half a day maybe (e.g. on Saturday).
> (There will probably be more requests than devrooms.)
> 
> Also, in previous years, some of the Ubuntu developers already gave
> talks in e.g. the Debian or GNOME devrooms.
> 
> Hm, let's contact the developer lists maybe, to see if there is any
> interest...

Don't spend time on this.
Know that there is a limited number of devrooms
and the number of requests is really high.

There are already quite some devrooms concerning 'distros'.
A good thing would be cooperation of ubuntu with debian...

The FOSDEM staff supports such cooperation very actively.

All the best

christophe

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] GRP in Liege

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Pierre Vorhagen wrote:
> You are most certainly right. It is that I have never really had an occasion 
> to completely "convert" someone older than 30 to Linux... I don't have a lot 
> of experiences with elderly people willing to accept changes, so once they're 
> actually used to an OS and have their little habits. Last time I accidentally 
> changed something, the welcome screen in Windows XP, the person called me all 
> panicked and insisted on having it back as it was... Don't even speak of 
> changing the OS :-) Yet now that I think about it, I should try and take the 
> time to explain Linux calmly to him...

That's usually the _very difficult_ part.
The easiest is to let them try it before they are accustomed to something
else (being Mac, Windows, BSD ... )

People don't want change if they like what they use.
If they bother about what they use, then there is a chance of 'selling'
our thing. Because *they asked for change* .




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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Formation Ubuntu

[Christophe Vandeplas]

snulkid wrote:
> Le samedi 20 octobre 2007 16:17, vous avez écrit :
>> Here you can find different versions:
>> http://vandeplas.com/tmp/ubuntu/
> 
> Thanks for the work (even without corrections) !
> Too late for me (I'm not in town and have no car), but I hope someone 
> can print copies before tomorrow 17.00.
> I just drop a mail to Bawet asking for 150~200 copies, but not sure it 
> will be possible.

corrections have been made.
except the part concerning the rewrite.
Don't have time for that and don't have the space neither (or time to
reformat everything)

Files uploaded at the same location

http://vandeplas.com/tmp/ubuntu/



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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Formation Ubuntu

[Christophe Vandeplas]

snulkid wrote:
> Le samedi 20 octobre 2007 10:52, snulkid a écrit :
>> After corrections (see below), I need someone to send me a PDF
>> ready for printing (...)
>> If I get this by mid-afternoon, I will go to print it.
> 
> No reply. OK, I'll be tomorrow 17.00 at Liege station entrance. If 
> someone comes with flyers to distribute before 17.45, great.
> Otherwise I'll have a drink and get back home.

sorry for the late reaction.

Here you can find different versions:
http://vandeplas.com/tmp/ubuntu/

PDF and JPG version.

Greets


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[Ubuntu-be] leuven food train station action

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Those that come to the Train station action in Leuven
and want to get some (fast) food are welcome.

Francois and myself should be around 18 o'clock at the Kebab restaurant
in the red building at the train station.


If you can't find us feel free to call me at 0486 64 10 33


See you on sunday

Greets

Christophe

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] De belastingdienst ...

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Beste Marc,


Kan je aub de common-email-guidelines volgen en duidelijk IN DE MAIL
formuleren waar het over gaat.

En probeer AUB ook ON TOPIC, dus hier over UBUNTU-BE promotie te mailen

Dit natuurlijk om te voorkomen dat je weer gemodereerd wordt op
verschillende mailinglists.

Alvast bedankt

Hoogachtend

Christophe


On 9/24/07, Marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://users.fulladsl.be/~spb13810/belasting/SPI20070924-32.html
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Sell vista for Ubuntu-be.org?

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Cedric Janssens wrote:
> Are you sure the CLUF of Microsoft give you the rights to sell this box ?
> This a big freedom hole, but in most of the MicroLicense, you don't
> even the right to resell the product you've "bought"

First of all, he can refuse the license.
Secondly he didn't buy the software, so he shouldn't be bound to any
license if he is not using it.

IF they start to argue they have to refund him the original value of the
box. So in all cases the money goes to Ubuntu-be :-)



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Re: [Ubuntu-be] ubuntu-be post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] requires approval

[Christophe Vandeplas]

On 7/24/07, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > ---Doorgestuurd bericht---
> > > Van: sintsixtus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > > een klacht over Hans Dufour is geen haatmail 
>
> Een klacht die je 1000x herhaalt zonder één enkel bewijs is in mijn ogen
> haatmail, en zeker als je dan ook nog een hoop ander mensen er bij
> betrekt die er niks mee te maken hebben (althans, als je tegen die
> mensen evenmin bewijzen hebt).
>
> Toen jij voor de KULeuven werkte heb je bijna zeker ook wel eens
> Windows-gebruikers moeten helpen, en toch er is niemand die je dat
> verwijt.  Doe dat dan ook niet bij anderen, tenzij je bewijzen van
> misbruik hebt...

Wat ik niet snap is deze permanente "haat Microsoft" situatie.
Door dit gedrag reageer je eigenlijk exact hetzelfde als wat velen in
de Open Source wereld wijten aan de proprietaire wereld.
Door mensen te *verplichten* opensource te gebruiken doe je exact
hetzelfde als een *vendor lock-in*.

De vrijheid hebben om enkel vrije software te gebruiken ... is dit nog vrijheid?

Kijk eens naar de GNU en de FSF-foundation met hun extreme GPLv3.
Extremisten gaan gewoon zo ver dat ze eigenlijk riskeren af te breken
wat jaren geduurd heeft om op te bouwen.


Pas wanneer de mensen *weten* dat het bestaat, en de kans hebben om
een *keuze* te maken. (Freedom of Choice), dan pas zal de beste
software het overwinnen en een *gezonde* software-maatschappij
ontstaan.

> Maar, jij hebt ondertussen al zo veel mensen beschuldigd zonder bewijzen
> (en in meerdere gevallen zelfs van bewijsbaar fictieve "misdrijven"),
> dat letterlijk (bijna) niemand je nog serieus neemt.  Probeer daar eens
> je conclusies uit te trekken...

Volledig mee eens. Zonde want regelmatig geef je wel nuttige info.
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[Ubuntu-be] great job !

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Hello all of you,


I am glad to be able to officially announce my unsubscription from this 
list, and my retraction as a working member of ubuntu-be.

To make sure everyone understands this statement correctly I am going to 
explain why.
As you can understand from the title I think ubuntu-be is doing a great 
job. It has started from a few very enthusiastic guys willing to 'do 
something more'. Their enthusiasm spread around like a virus and infected 
new volunteers. New volunteers helping the original driving force of 
ubuntu-be get stronger and construct better foundations for the 
organization.

Some experiments like the support-point maps and the dipro-fairs were 
tested and met a great success. Quickly quitting the phase of 
experimentation the projects made their first steps towards a more 
organized structure. Let's take the Dipro-fairs as example.
During the fairs computer stores were curious about those volunteers 
trying to 'sell' their CD's for free. Noticing the interest of visitors 
they became visitors themselves ... a new (social) network grew between 
the ubuntu-be volunteers and the computer stores. Donations were made, 
ubuntu-CD's were exchanged, new experiments (like recu-pc, ubuntu on 
dipro-pc's,..) were tried.
Some leading to more success, other still in their first steps.

The motivation to do more and do better was still present. When accepting 
the proposition to be present on the VLOD fair, Ubuntu-be proved a very 
important thing.
   '' Ubuntu-be is not planning to do something good... ''
   '' Ubuntu-be is doing it right now.''

(and by speaking about ubuntu-be, I mean _all_ of you)

I think you are doing a great job !
The volunteers of Ubuntu-be slowly step out of their first footprints and 
walk together towards their goal.
But do not take this goal as granted, you are all very far away from it. 
There are still many challenges in front of you.

I do not think ... I am quite sure that you, all of you together, will be 
able to handle these challenges and step by step come closer to your goals.

Looking at this I do not feel bad to leave, ... but why do I leave?
To answer this question briefly: To make me able to accept other 
challenges in the Open Source world. And as we only have 7 days a week I 
cannot do all the things I would like to do :-)


Thanks to all of you, continue the great job!
And see you soon ! (online, conference, pub, ...)


Greets

Christophe

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PPS: feel free to subscribe to http://planet.grep.be - FLOSS People from 
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] FOSDEM on February 24/25

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Jan Claeys wrote:
> This would mean changing the installer, and would be more work.
> (But maybe the "Mint" people have done this work already?)

that was my opinion concerning the main ubuntu distro. I just believe
that ubuntu/linux won't make it to the normal consumer-market if it
doens't get over these patent-proprietary-we-reject thing. Just give the
stupid user a checkbox so he can choose himself. As 90% of the normal
users will not understand the information from the ubuntu wiki that
explains how you must activate + install the packages.

But whatever :-)

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] FOSDEM on February 24/25

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Jan Claeys wrote:
> On do, 2007-02-15 at 05:29 +0100, Snulkid wrote:
>> 1. A good part of the Belgian audience are LUG members and many LUGs 
>> install Ubuntu at Install Parties. So the question is : what has Ubuntu 
>> and ubuntu-be to offer to LUGs ? Not much, I'm afraid : getting free 
>> CDs is no longer a key incentive (and no longer easy), and they get 
>> technical support from ubuntu-nl and -fr communities.
> 
> I didn't ask for free CDs.  :)
> 
>> But maybe you could launch among them the idea of a "Belgian 
>> personalized CD" ?
> 
> That might be a good idea; maybe we can even press our own CDs then, if
> we can find some sponsors.

I think this is *not* a good idea.

Let me explain why.
First of all a personalised edition requires quite some testing and
changes. Thus taking huge amounts of time. Time you'll spend on it on
every new release of ubuntu. This will also create more segmentation,
more distro's in this wild forest of different distro's. You also have
the need to distribute on CD, online,... what can cost quite some money
and time.

What I think can be a good idea is to work with the locoteams to
personalise the ubuntu install to take count of the country you are in.

Or to make an application that will list all the 'country-related' stuff.

By these means it will take less time of testing, distributing,
refactoring,... and will prevent segmentations of the official ubuntu-cd

I'm also pro a system where the user can check a box during the install
to say he wants to download the proprietary-codecs-etc from the net.

My 2 cent..



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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Hallo iedereen ik ben Frederik, aka untold

[Christophe Vandeplas]

powerplant.be wrote:
> Waar ik het meeste mee bezig ben is schrijven in html, php, javascript 
> en tot voor kort .net(net begonnen, maar gestopt daar ik windows nie goe 
> meer zie zitten). Mijn streefdoel is om applicaties te schrijven die 
> zowel voor linux, mac en win werken, met als base, Ubuntu. Dit is ook de 
> reden waarom ik me op deze listing heb ingeschreven, om op deze manier 
> hopelijk meer te weten te komen over waar ik nu best leer in te 
> schrijven om platform independent software te schrijven. Je heb zo veel 
> verschillende talen die je kunt gebruiken, maar welke neem je nu best? 
> Alle info hieromtrent is welkom! Als iemand zich geroepen voelt om samen 
> iets te doen, let me know.

Heyla,

Deze mailinglist is ENKEL voor het managen van de promotie van ubuntu in
Belgie.

Het is hier niet de bedoeling om te gaan filosoferen over
programmeertalen en cross-platform coden. Gelieve hiervoor op usenet te
gaan of andere mailinglists.


Maar alvast WELKOM op deze lijst indien je samen met ons ubuntu bekender
wil maken in Belgie.

Groeten

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] the linux marketing machine (!)

[christophe]

> Eigenlijk ben ik hier zelfs niet met akkoord.
>
> Een vista OEM licentie kost 99 tot 199 dollar.
> Jullie vragen 169 euro voor installatie en een "training"

Als je kijkt dat daar ook al BTW bij zit dan reken je dat hij daar 140
euro van bijhoudt.
Ik weet niet hoeveel hij vraagt per uur werk, maar voor zowel een
installatie als een opleiding is dit wel spotgoedkoop.
(Stel 2 uur werk dan zit je aan 70eur/uur)
(Stel 3 uur werk dan zit je aan 45eur/uur)

> Sorry, maar zoiets doe ik nagenoeg gratis, de mensen krijgen er nog
> een kop koffie bij naast de uitleg!
> En op een evenement ('computer fair') doet nagenoeg dat iedereen van
> het be-team dit gratis.

Het verschil is dat de klant bij een winkel een 'zekerheid' heeft
betreffende de service en support. Wat hij niet heeft bij een
vrijwilliger.


> Ik snap wel dat jullie moeten overleven als 'winkel' maar ik zie dit
> niet graag gelinkt aan de naam ubuntu
> De reclame in het nieuwsblad zal daarom erg misleidend zijn!

Ik denk (persoonlijke mening) dat het zeker een goed idee is om te tonen
dat je commerciele support kan hebben. Dit geeft blijk van de serieuze
kant van de affaire en dat het meer is dan een gewoon ict-freak grapje is.

My 2 cent


Groeten


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