[Bug 52848] Re: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06 does not display in Safari
I'm guessing that this is something related to the content negotiation settings for apache. This is a guess though. Probably what needs to happen is to look at the language setting for the browser. Have anyone who can reproduce this problem visit this page: http://search.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/diag.cgi and paste the output. That will help us figure out what's going on. -- https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06 does not display in Safari https://launchpad.net/bugs/52848 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [ubuntu-art] Workflow management
Michiel Sikma wrote: MediaWiki keeps revision histories of _everything_, including images. You can jump back to old revisions of images for comparison. Not that this makes it a perfect CMS for artwork collaboration, though... I've looked into this quite a bit in the past. It's a very difficult thing to find. Most DMS (document management systems) target very high-end users who need to manage documents/media for 50 years. Popular with the likes of Boeing and NASA and Phizor etc. There was a brief conversation on the matter in IRC. A product was suggested a while back which used Drupal with the Gallery2 plugin. For our needs, this is fundamentally no different than gallery2 on its own, since we don't need CMS features (just image colaboration because wiki provides avenue for content). The Gallery2 project is foss, mature and very active. The only thing it doesn't provide is versioning for images, but its plugin system is very powerful and this could be added. The installation is easy, and I've got it setup. However the server is having a problem because of a reverse DNS issue (e-mails are being selective ignored by strict mail servers). Here's the gallery2 main website: http://gallery.menalto.com Here's where I've placed my quick test: http://art-staging.ubuntu.com/gallery2 I've used and hacked gallery for years, but I'll admit, this newer version has added a lot of stuff and I've not got it all figured out yet. If there are a few enterprising souls out there who want to try it out, please, be my guest. I'm working on the rdns/mailserver issue now. If it turns out gallery2 isn't suitable, we'll trash it and find something better. But since its free and we have the server all ready, might as well give it a try. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[Bug 57894] Re: Ubuntu Wiki Error: IndexErrorstring index out of range
ok, kiko and I found the problem and fixed it. However a permanant solution needs to be implemented. The short-term solution was to remove the line in user/77583 that matched '^=.*$'. The line simply had =0 on it. Apparently Moin scans every user file when you save a page. (maybe to look for subscribers for a page?) A good fix would be to modify line 436 of MoinMoin/user.py so that instead of just: if key not in self._transient_fields and key[0] != '_': It also did a check to ensure key isn't empty. For example, if key and key not in self._transient_fields and key[0] != '_': -- Ubuntu Wiki Error: IndexErrorstring index out of range https://launchpad.net/bugs/57894 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57298] Re: [wiki bug] Link tabs float in Opera
Confirmed. Filing against ubuntu-website. ** Also affects: ubuntu-website (upstream) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed ** Changed in: Ubuntu Status: Unconfirmed = Rejected ** Changed in: ubuntu-website (upstream) Status: Unconfirmed = Confirmed -- [wiki bug] Link tabs float in Opera https://launchpad.net/bugs/57298 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[ubuntu-art] art.ubuntu.com
Has there been a consensus as to what is going to happen with this site? I think at the very least the welcome message should be modified to simply say something like, You can also find more art at ... and then have the submission page explain wither new art is being accepted. If it is decided not to add more artwork at least doing the above will get the current artwork up above the fold. Still, I was hoping we'd modify the system so that more artwork could be added; seems to be a popular place. If some resources are needed that I can help provide, please let me know. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[Bug 57141] Sound doesn't work after restart, only works on cold boot
Public bug reported: If I choose System -- Quit -- Restart when the desktop comes back up there is no sound at the login prompt or after logging in. Trying to play an audio file with rhythmbox results in the song not playing (the play button appears to be active, but the progress bar does not move - attempts to move the progress bar result in it returning to the 0:00 position). If I instead choose to shut down the computer and then use the power button to turn the computer on the sound works great. I hear the sound at the login prompt and the login sound. Rhythmbox works as exepected. I'm running a fully updated (as of Aug 22nd 2006) Dapper and kernel 2.6.15-26-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT on a Toshiba Satelite A105 notebook. It has a Core Duo T2400 cpu and HDA Intel (alsa mixer) sound card. ** Affects: Ubuntu Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Sound doesn't work after restart, only works on cold boot https://launchpad.net/bugs/57141 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 47604] Re: Pictures Folder isn't configurable
It would be nice to have the ability to configure this. I can confirm that there is no way to set the folder and there is no clear indication of what folder is used by default. -- Pictures Folder isn't configurable https://launchpad.net/bugs/47604 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 47604] Re: Pictures Folder isn't configurable
I created a folder called ~/.personal-screensaver-pictures. Then, inside of that I created a symlink to the non-existent folder ~/Pictures. I also created a symlink to the existing folder ~/My\ Pictures. Then I edited the file /usr/share/gnome-screensaver/themes/personal-slideshow.desktop and changed the line near the end so that it says: Exec=slideshow --location=.personal-slideshow-pictures I suggest that future versions come configured like above and then localized and common names of picture folders are linked in there. I've confirmed that broken sym links don't cause a problem with the screen saver. Therefore all computers would also have a folder called Immagini (italian for pictures I think) linked in. Because only Italians would have this folder actually on their hard drive for most people it would be a broken link. Maybe a tool could be created that lets people create the links or maybe can even try to autodiscover image folders. However, having the simple linking technique would be much easier than what is currently in place. The tool could come much later. -- Pictures Folder isn't configurable https://launchpad.net/bugs/47604 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[ubuntu-art] Fwd: Bazaar needs help with Windows icons
Any artists here familiar with making Windows icons and have the time to tweak them out so that they look nice? Bazaar wants to make the new logo into icons for the windows version of their program. They've got something that is functional, but they want to make it look really nice on computers regardless of their setting for high-color icons. They're also using icons with different sizes embedded. I guess they're having problems with 8bit icons having a black background. Here's the link to the source files http://bazaar-vcs.org/LogoOptions On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 17:33 +0300, Alexander Belchenko wrote: John Arbash Meinel пишет: I'm the one who created the icon. It is supposed to use a transparent background. It could be a few things, but my best guess is: Windows doesn't support 8-bit alpha I'm not sure about this, because I believe windows supports 8-bit icons. Gimp only gives you the option to do 8-bit with 1-bit alpha, or 32-bit with 8-bit alpha. I can create them with a white background, I started with transparent because it was easier. John's ico with transparent background also not ideal. This ico is designed with antialiased edges, so it looks rough at windows. So I prefer to use ico on white background otherwise you need to make sharp edges without antialiasing. You won't be able to do sharp edges on diagonal lines without anti-aliasing. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] art.ubuntu.com
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 12:27 +0200, Niel Drummond wrote: On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:18:54 +0100 Martin Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe if we don't want to provide a community type art page as described we could link to the gnome-look pages for people to put their wallpapers up there. they have a much better set of tools for dealing with anonymous submissions. I agree. If I remember correctly, the argument was that art.ubuntu.org was a lesser version of the existing gnome-look project, and a great deal of submissions ended up there. AFAIK AUC is being revamped (by Matthew Nuzum maybe?) The server AUC is on is getting re-organized, but the content won't go away. I spoke with Troy (troy_s) and Pascal (klepas) who are stake-holders on that server. I think the reason the notice is there is because there were too few site-admins handling the queue of incoming art. The site is actually immensely busy with over 5000 page views per day in June. My personal feeling is that while some artists want to help out with specs and themes, some just want to submit wall-paper options and this site is a good artistic outlet. However if no one is available to be admins then redirecting people to gnomelook may be the only option. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] art.ubuntu.com
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 17:32 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Niklas Weidel wrote: Regarding CMS, as Neil said, there is no shortage of great, free CMS-systems. I've been using Joomla for example, which has a lot of plugins that could form a basis for an easy-to-handle artwork site. What's short is someone to devote the time to getting the system up and running. Does anyone want to volunteer to make that happen? Next week on my todo list I will be re-aranging the server that hosts AUC to a standard hosting-type setup so that we can give accounts out to the LoCo teams. This will be your run-of-the mill, FTP accessible, cgi/php/MySQL/html type of setup. I had simply planned on moving the existing auc site as is, and I will do that, but if someone wants to use this as an opportunity to install Jumla or Gallery or similar that's fine. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Logo Help Needed
I've been working on the bzr website. I'm not a true artist, but I can fake it OK. I'm using the tango color palette. The current website didn't use a logo, but one existed already (I didn't know about it though). While creating the website I became inspired and made the merge logo attached. I've also attached the branch logo. Both are good, but each have a problem. The merge logo was created by tracing a bmp of a merge sign. Therefore it looks lumpy. The branch logo is a little too thin to be used as an icon or in areas where the image needs to be small. Plus it doesn't use the tango palette, but that's easy to fix. I could really use a little help if someone has some time before the end of the weekend. If anyone wants to touch up either of these logos, recreate either of them or even create something from scratch, it would be 100% welcome. I've attached a png and a link to the svg if you feel inspired to help out. I don't want this to be a big deal, so just contact me separately if you want and are able to help. Here's the SVG: http://newz.gotdns.com/tmp/bzr/BazaarLogoOptions.svg (For some reason the branch doesn't show up when viewed in firefox, but its there when you open it in Inkscape) -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode Bazaar Logo Options.png Description: PNG image -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wiki homepage suggestion
On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 14:07 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: I think the wiki homepage could do a better job of explaining what the art-team's purpose in life is, and that its process is orderly and directed through the use of specs on launchpad. Done. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Wiki homepage suggestion
My great fear is that there are people who are eager to find a way to contribute to Ubuntu but don't feel like they have anything to offer relating to the current specs. Worse yet, I suspect some people subscribe to this list thinking that it is a place to create desktop wallpapers or talk about their favorite image editor. (this is worse because they quickly become disenfranchised when their expectations are let down) I think the wiki homepage could do a better job of explaining what the art-team's purpose in life is, and that its process is orderly and directed through the use of specs on launchpad. Below is an incomplete draft proposing the change to the homepage. I would simply complete it and post it, except I really have a few tasks that I must get done today and could use some suggestions on how to finish this off. Specifically, I want to encourage people to help out with the specs, but if they can't then give them some other opportunities to use their artistic talent. I will make the following changes to the wiki tomorrow morning, so if you have some comments, let me know. If you could help suggest links for the blanks that would really be helpful. +-+ The Ubuntu Artwork team exist to make the Ubuntu desktop ever more usable and attractive. We do this through a formal process of creating specifications. The next release of Ubuntu is code named Edgy Eft and the specifications we are working on for this release can be found . We would enjoy your help with the above tasks, but if you feel that your talents and available time don't fit any of the above specs, please consider the following art-related interests: * We always need help converting png icons to SVG and creating new SVG icons. Learn more __. * Art.ubuntu.com exists as an area where you can share photos, wallpaper, themes and cursors. This is a busy website frequented by community members and is a hub for artistic add-ons for the Ubuntu desktop. * Ubuntu strives to be the leading distro for creating derivative linux distributions. As such, a number of other art-teams exist. Learn more about other art-teams __. * A number of sub-projects and Ubuntu-related teams would like help with website work. A good place to find information about helping out with website related arwork is . Please note we would greatly appreciate your help with our specs for the next version, so if you have only enough time to help with one thing, please see if you can contribute to the existing specs. This is an area where you can have a profound and visible impact on what Ubuntu will look like in the next version. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kubuntu.org look - really not a feast for the eyes
On 7/2/06, Martin B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the articles contained therein: I think that the content is not really in our hands, nor should it be (or we'd call this list something other than -artwork) :-) I think the articles should be made by the doc team hand in hand with the artwork team. Web pages are not documentation, the visual appearance is as important as the content (IMO). Furthermore, the visual style and content cannot be made separately, because it complements one another (at least here, in a visual presentation of a product). I've noticed that there is a product on launchpad (recently added apparently) called Kubuntu-website. You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/products/kubuntu-website I've talked to Riddell and we agreed to set the contact for the bug reports to be the ubuntu-website team, found here: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-website That means bugs filled against the ubuntu or kubuntu websites will notify people who are part of that team. We're not quite ready yet to redesign the websites, but there are tasks available. And I'd expect that as we get organized more stuff will appear there. This also means that if you see something on the website that needs addressed, the bug tracker for ubuntu or kubutu website is an excellent place to file it. Oh, by the way, I've recently started working on the Canonical team as the ubuntu (et al) webmaster. If you'd like to contact me I'm on freenode as newz2000. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] [Ponder] WAS: Mouse Cursor
I agree... their busy cursor is a phenominal bit of art that doesn't in the slightest sacrifice function or usability. However, I also like Ubuntu's spinning disk icon and am fine keeping it as is. On 6/28/06, Viper550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Troy James Sobotka wrote: On Wed, 2006-28-06 at 15:56 +0100, Who wrote: This is an idea tha just occurred to me - no mock ups or anything till I get home tonight, sorry I believe the team is expected to prove itself with the four initial specs before further tasks will be assigned. Let's try to keep focused and deliver the goods this cycle. If you plan on trying a proposal with a given style, make sure you communicate your desires in Ponder. There are a number of reasons for doing it in this systematic way: 1) It prevents people from running off on tangents. 2) It permits the upper level folks to approve of all directions BEFORE people spend time on them. Remember: Ponder is only a couple of weeks long, then we can start in on the proposals. Keep focused and get your textural ideas in. Through my usage of Fedora Core 5, I've come to a liking of their new busy cursor, it's a blue pinwheel of dots, but it circles AROUND the front and back of the cursor! We might wanna see if we can do that but with maybe orange, yellow, and red dots! Viper550 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Mark's Comments on Branding
On 6/29/06, Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Étienne Bersac wrote: For me, the branding on the Breezy background was great - it belnded in very well with the backdrop - an generally looked 'cool'. Agree, but it was too dark. Especially if we have window shadow. I've no problem if there are SOME desktop wallpapers included that have strong branding, just not the default. The default should be distinctive enough that people recognise it from screenshots without any logo-style branding. And of course, it's great to have ubuntu-branded wallpapers in gnome-look and other websites! Mark [I've been wanting to say this for a while but have been waiting for the perfect time to mention it... I don't think this is it, but if I wait any longer I might miss my chance...] I greatly prefer desktop wallpaper that has some photographic or graphical elements to it. Whenever I see a wallpaper that has just some swish or a few lines I think, what, coudn't they come up with something better? I've just in the last few days set up a new laptop and was glad to see the tree/gears background and am using it. For inspiration, I strongly suggest looking at what other OSs are doing. Most computers come from the manufucaturer with the maker's branding on the wall paper. Stop into your favorite computer store and look at the wall papers on Toshibas, HPs, Sonys and the like and see what they're doing. There are some great designs out there. Even if we don't put the [U|ED|K]buntu logo on the graphic, I think we can come up with something truly exciting to look at... something where people won't want to put icons on the desktop because they don't want to cover up the picture. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Starting the Ponder phase for Edgy Eft
On 6/27/06, Viper550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Schoep wrote: Hello artists, One of the trademark concepts we're going to use is glass, as requested by Mark. So examples of glass being used in several contexts, shapes and forms will be a great start. Troy Sobotka has already provided some excellent sample references and placed them on a Wiki page, available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyTextures Again, it's now open season for your ideas. We will try to moderate and process the incoming submissions and I want you all to go ahead and provide feedback to each other as well, so that we have an open discussion on what ideas will work and which ones won't. Ferrofluid has an amazing looking glass-like look to it. Check out this too for some inspiration: http://www.wondermagnet.com/ferro.htm -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Mark's Comments on Branding
On 6/29/06, Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 29-jun-2006, om 16:14 heeft Matthew Nuzum het volgende geschre For inspiration, I strongly suggest looking at what other OSs are doing. Most computers come from the manufucaturer with the maker's branding on the wall paper. Stop into your favorite computer store and look at the wall papers on Toshibas, HPs, Sonys and the like and see what they're doing. There are some great designs out there. Even if we don't put the [U|ED|K]buntu logo on the graphic, I think we can come up with something truly exciting to look at... something where people won't want to put icons on the desktop because they don't want to cover up the picture. I personally feel that the wallpapers that are included by default should be as neutral as possible. They should also not really try anything valiant in terms of graphic design and should generally be pure. All major operating systems currently do this right. As much as it might seem boring, I fully support the random graphic drizzle that one finds in default wallpapers. PS: most of the vendor-specific wallpapers consist of random stock art plus their logo. I don't usually find them very interesting. First, forgive me if my first e-mail sounded too forceful, I just want to say that I am giving my opinions and I'm 100% comfortable if the art team goes a different route. The reason why I suggest looking at what retail computers use is because retail computers have to face one of the toughest sells... they have to attract potential buyers to a particular computer from across the room when there are 30 other computers also doing the same. There is much more thought put into those desktop wall papers than just, what's a cool new way we can show off our logo? Big companies have art-teams, and industrial artists pouring over every little detail about a computer's aesthetics in order to make people say, I want this one! I have a great deal of respect for the RD money those bigger companies put into those designs. I think it's foolish to not even consider what others are doing. Also, I come from a web-desgin and web-usability background. I've been working with artists for years and I have great respect for those who way, My studies show... instead of I like... or I prefer... I've sat in many meetings where executives make decisions about what they think users will like and then watched as the design failed because they didn't bother even asking the users. Ubuntu is not for artists alone, and you need to appeal to engineers, business people and a variety of other types in addition to those experienced at producing art. Slashdot will judge edgy based on the screenshot tour on osdir. Look at the first four slides here and that is where we have to make 90% of the users (not just artists) say, wow, I've got to try this out! http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=659slide=1 As for other wallpapers included by default, I think that the best ones are pure photos. There are billions of great-quality free license photos online that may be used for this purpose. The problem with pure photos is that its hard to make them stand out as being distinctly *buntu. Also it's difficult to find a photo that is bright enough to catch the eye and yet has dark regions for people to place their icons. We'd need something that has darker colors on the left and graduates to more vivid and contrasting colors on the right, without having that pure gradient look of the gnome 1.x desktops. Unfortunately, people are still going to put icons on their desktop, and like I've stated earlier, the shadow underneath the text underneath icons just isn't enough to make the text show up as readable on very light backgrounds, so we're still somewhat restricted to darker wallpapers. Michiel Of course they are, but don't you think the wallpaper should be so good looking that they will want to see it, rather than cover it up? (no, I can't maximize firefox, I want to be able to see the wallpaper! ;-) -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Idea regarding themes
On 6/19/06, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what would be sweet... Illustrator has that new-ish feature where you can genereate an artwork template and then have it create variations of the artwork based on a database... What would be cool is to create the artwork in such a way that you could then create a make file and then feed in a color pallette and have it generate/regerate the artwork for each distro based on the colors in the pallette. make ubuntu make edubuntu make xubuntu make kubuntu I gave it a try by making an icon in Inkscape and using an alpha-transparent png; from a technical perspective, this is possible. It took longer than I had expected so I don't have a formal proof of concept to show, but if people think this is interesting I will complete my test and make something that can be experimented with by others. The cool thing about using SVG is that it is very easy to replace colors. I simply did a find and replace but a more elegant and possibly reliable solution would be to transform it using XSL which is quite easy. I'll admit that in the real world this may not be practical because it is non-trivial to do more than replace exact colors. Does anyone see this as being useful? -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Idea regarding themes
On 6/19/06, Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ubuntu uses orange, Kubuntu uses blue, Xubuntu uses light anthracite (or something; that's how the color seems to me). Those seem like nice default colors for themes. I think that we might have a very rich default set of looks for Ubuntu if we were to make such a cross- platform UI plan a reality. Michiel This is a bit off-topic, sorry. You know what would be sweet... Illustrator has that new-ish feature where you can genereate an artwork template and then have it create variations of the artwork based on a database... What would be cool is to create the artwork in such a way that you could then create a make file and then feed in a color pallette and have it generate/regerate the artwork for each distro based on the colors in the pallette. make ubuntu make edubuntu make xubuntu make kubuntu In the past that would have been so far-fetched that it would've been laughable to even propose such a thing, but now, with so much artwork being SVG and withPNG's alpha transparency as mature as it is, it's not too far fetched. I think I'm going to try it later on this afternoon just to see how it works. I've never deliberately looked at the source of an SVG file to see how the colors are defined. Maybe it still is far-fetched. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Idea regarding themes
On 6/19/06, Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 19-jun-2006, om 16:44 heeft Matthew Nuzum het volgende geschreven: On 6/19/06, Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be cool is to create the artwork in such a way that you could then create a make file and then feed in a color pallette and have it generate/regerate the artwork for each distro based on the colors in the pallette. To be honest, that still sounds a little laughable to me, but if it works, I'll kindly shut up. :) Let us know if you were able to do something nice with that. I personally haven't tried that feature yet so I don't know how well it works. Michiel I've done it before in creating some HTML templates... the problem is, (simplified for illustration) if you have a dark background color, a light foreground color and an accent color, you need to have them in the same order in the pallettes so that they look good. Also, I realized after I made my post that to do it in the HTML templates I had to write a fair amount of python code to create the images the right way. I expect it would need to be done for this. That's OK, because I haven't met any Ubuntu'ers yet that have a problem with a little python code. Even if I can generate a proof of concept, and I'm pretty sure I can, it doesn't mean it will work in the real world. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu title font
On 6/19/06, j michaelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello all, i've downloaded the ubuntu title font and i don't wish to sound rude, but it's a little rough around the edges. i was using it in inkscape and i noticed that some of the letters aren't very smooth. on closer inspection some of the letters have way more nodes than are neccesary for the shape of the letter. all these extra nodes add irregularities to the outline of the letters and spoil their smoothness. the letter u is a good example of this, it uses 22 nodes to draw the letter, when only 10 are needed (i checked). does anyone know if these letters were designed on a computer program or were they drawn by hand and then converted? john m. I think (note that) the original logo was created by hand, then enough people said they wished they had the font for new artwork that someone took it upon themselves to make a functional font. I know the details are out there in the mailing list archive and probably the package for the font. Sorry for the sketchy details, and sorry also for not having names and links for reference. I personally have a great respect for the artist who created the text in the original logo. I've not used the title font so can't speak with authority on that aspect. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Main page discussion
apple, therefore I think a mix of redhat and microsoft home pages would fit the culture of the Ubunutu community well. Instead of starting with the Ubunutu website and looking for a way to improve, I think it's better to look at innovative and exciting home pages from other sites and see what we can use. Others I like as inspiration are the www.mozilla.com and www.nasa.gov home page (after the splash intro). It would be fun to see what other website people like and don't like as inspiration for the Ubuntu website. BTW, I'm a webmaster and therefore I feel more interested in art from the website perspective than the desktop perspective. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Website art request
On 5/27/06, Henrik Nilsen Omma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,I'm just giving the website a bit of a face lift before the release. I'mgoing to simplify the front page a bit, adding some images and directlinks. I've also updated the side menu a bit.- Henrik Awesome work, Henrik. The homepage looks very nice.-- Matthew Nuzumwww.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Website art request
On 5/27/06, Henrik Nilsen Omma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It needs to fit into that 190px wide tan region, and be between 50 and 100 px tall. IMO it should be fairly subtle since we already have a large logo in the top right corner. It doesn't even _have_ to be the logo, just something that will look nice in that location. Thanks! - Henrik Hi Henrik, I hope I'm not about to start a holy war here, but if you don't mind, I'd like to just offer a few suggestions, since you're making some changes... When I set my browser to 1024x768, I get 190px of navigation, 753px of content and 81px of browser chrome, padding and etc. It feels to me like the navigation bar is a bit cramped. What I would do is shrink the content area down a bit, add a little more margin to the right hand side between the browser chrome and the navigation, and widen the navigation bar. At the moment you have 25px on the left, 20 between the nav and the content and 10 or 11 on the right. I'd start with balancing that out to 25 on each side. I'd also make the padding between nav and body 25px. Assuming that the extra 15px of padding comes from the body content, this will shrink your 753px of body to 738px. That's still too much (see the wall of text http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html). But that's OK, because the nav bar is a bit too skinny anyway. I'd add at least 40 more px, and really I think you could get by with 60 more. This would allow you to make those fonts a little bigger which will allow them to grab your eye when you come to the home page. That leaves two problems, one is very easily fixed, the other, maybe not. The first problem is that I think you've over used bold in that top paragraph, and the rest of the page is too text heavy. People don't want to read that much on the home page, instead, it may be better to shrink the ubuntu definition down to one paragraph with a heading like What is Ubuntu? Then, follow up with information that will help people find what it is they are looking for. For example, downloads or information about support. That way people can simply scan down the home page looking for the information they want. The second problem is the image needs some work. This may be too difficult to fix right away. The problems are: a: The white space at the top left and bottom left looks like a big gap with no text. It unfortunately falls directly in the center of the page and somehow draws your eye right to it. Putting a border and/or a drop shadow could overcome this. b: The image needs some padding, especially on the right side. This can be provided in CSS c: It just doesn't look that good. This really is the least important though, because doing some or all of the above will make this problem less apparent. I know you're in a time crunch. I will have some time on Monday where I could help out with these changes if you like. Sending me a high-res version of that image on the home page would help. I see you've used the skidoo template for the design; I'm very familiar with this and can also help with the CSS tweaks. I may also be able to help with the content on the home page, but I don't know what politics are involved with changing the home page content (i.e. translations, approval, etc.). If you'd like some help and Monday will fit into your time line, let me know. It's a holiday here in the USA and I have some free time. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Fwd: [ubuntu-art] Meeting proposal
Forwarding to the list for all to consider -- Forwarded message -- From: Pascal Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 25, 2006 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Meeting proposal On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 10:11 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: On 5/25/06, Pascal Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello art team, ... So, in order to get this happening, how does a meeting sound? I propose the day of Sunday the 28th, May or Saturday the 3rd, June. Times are open at this point because I am not very familiar with the timezone issues and where the bulk of the team are situated in the world. Do we have some common suggestions in regard to this? Pascal, I think we have about all of the time zones covered. I'm GMT -6 and you're something like +10, right? I'll bet we have at least one -8 here on the list too. If we're going to have a real-time meeting, it's probably best to shoot for as late in the day as you can handle. For example, GMT 13:00. I definitely agree. I left out a form of an agenda as I wrote the mail up rather quickly and wanted just to get a discussion started on a meeting. :) As for time zones, yea, I'm at GMT +10, but I would be happy to do anything really from 9AM all the way around the clock to 4 AM. However, before we go down that route, I'd say we should have a meeting agenda. I don't think I want to participate in a meeting whose premise is, Let's see who the leadership types are. I think this is more important than setting the time. Also, before we start tossing around dates, are we sure that Saturday/Sunday is the day of the week all prefer? With proper advance notice, I could even meet during the week. I've started a wiki page for an agenda. It's here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Meetings/Agenda200606a Before we set a date, lets decide on what we need to discuss. Here's what I suggest: What we hope to accomplish: a - new splash b - themes ie. GTK themes. c - window manage decorations ie. Metacity themes. d - icons e - accessible graphics (high contrast, large fonts) f - integration of new technologies and how this affects aesthetics (xgl, compiz, ???) g - sample content Self imposed time-lines What time-lines will we impose on oursevles? How we will make decidsions Critical: how are we going to decide what goes in? Is there going to be a vote, will the vote be held in e-mail, irc, or some other method? Using the launchpad team voting system would be great. For disputes art team leaders would moderate the issue and if no agreement can be reached the Edgy Artist-in-Cheif. We could even swap the roles around for every release to allow others a turn and share the experience. :) What are the qualifications of an Art team leader? Mark has proposed the following: On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 09:44 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: I would like to propose that we START the edgy cycle with two things: (1) A core of Art Team Leaders. Thing of it as an Art Council. It's too big a job for one volunteer. We need a small group (3-ish) of well trusted people who know how to package, know how to use revision control, know about icon formats and can talk to the people behind the technology (Scott et al) to resolve any technical issues. Because the art has to *function* too. (2) One of those folks as Edgy Artist-in-Chief. In other words, one of them as the final arbiter of the style and look of the community-contributed theme(s) in Edgy. *Perhaps* even of the default theme in Edgy. This position of Artist-in-Chief would be for a single release, going to someone else for hte subsequent release. And the next time we do a Dapper-style long-term-support release we should have a big pool of leadership talent to choose from. Mark I'd like to decide this (agenda) before we meet. I think that about sums things, up, however I would recommend for the three or so core art team leaders that they need not how to package before signing up to this. :) I think that agenda is quite complete for a first meet up after the release of Dapper. Finally, after having a peak at the wiki page set up for this, I'll edit it accordingly filling in some of the above information about the proposed leadership structure by Mark. Sever people have already agreed that this is a good proposal so I think that we could go ahead with it. Mark: it would be great if you could come. You mentioned earlier contacting cvd on IRC in regard to this...? Kind regards, Pascal Klein -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEdeB+sJh4C6Y7FqgRApX2AJ9qfkNm1K24k/cF6iOgbxK5PURiywCg24M/ IrlP3uGMV4etyDCrMtraVu4= =d5/v -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 11, Issue 54
On 5/22/06, Michiel Sikma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 22-mei-2006, om 15:57 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende geschreven: We're reaching crisis mode on the usplash. Mark is ill today and has asked me to drive this to a decision. If the team would like to vote, that needs to be done by UTC 0700 Tuesday I know that's a short timeline, but we really need to get this settled. Okay, so that's: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html? month=5day=23year=2006hour=07min=0sec=0p1=0 in all of your time zones. Does anyone have a link to an image of the usplash used in breezy? -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] trash icon looks like a battery
Is it just me or does anyone else here look at the trash can icon in the bootom right corner of the screen and freak out because they think their battery is low? It's in almost the same location as Windows' battery notification icon and it looks like a battery that is nearly empty. I'm no good at making icons, but I think if it could just be tapered so that it's not a perfect cylinder it would be fine. But as it is, being a perfect cylinder, it looks like a battery to me. I keep getting a moment of panic and wonder where the nearest outlet is, then I remember that I'm already plugged in and think it's a bug. Then I click on it to investigate it and realize it's the trash. This has happened at least 3 times already, so soon I'll learn I guess. Should I file a trouble ticket for this? -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Example Content
On 2/9/06, Henrik Nilsen Omma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as numerical data is concerned, I was thinking of doing something like this along with a related presentation: Plot data showing linux adoption trends over the last few years. At first I thought it would be interesting to show some data from distrowatch that demonstrated the rising popularity of Ubuntu as compared to other linux distros, but i feel that would present a poor image to new Linux users (since it seems to show competition amongst the linux community). I actually tried this already. You can quite easily get the distrowatch numbers from the last year at http://distrowatch.com/text/newhpd.csv but at that time Ubuntu was already #1, so the curve doesn't look that impressive :) We would need one that started at 0. (but I also agree with your point on competitiveness). The related presentation that I was envisioning would be a PR feeling document that would explain why people like Linux so much, some of the great things that make Linux unique and then show adoption trends with a graph from the spreadsheet. Perfect! Well, finding interesting data is more difficult than it sounds. I've started working on a writer document (I've crashed OOo by inserting an EPS Ubuntu logo, which is interesting - I reported it). I'm having trouble locating data on Linux adoption trends. I've thought that maybe I could get my hands on some other data instead. Some ideas I've had were the number of Ubuntu downloads or maybe the number of posts to ubuntuforums.org. I've also considered the number of Linux or Ubuntu users in various regions of the world, maybe by continent. Any suggestions? Henrik, do you feel the people at Canonical would be willing to share any stats about Ubuntu downloads or trends in adoption, or is this information considered private? I guess if worse comes to worse, I could plot data about the number of spam messages that come through my mail server... (just kidding). I think a good looking graph would show multiple series of data, for example, comparing the number of Ubuntu downloads in each month during 2004 vs. the same month in 2005, or the number of Ubuntu downloads for each continent for each month in 2005. If anyone has any suggestions, or better yet, interesting data that is freely available, let me know. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [ubuntu-art] Humanity: Unhinged
On 10/24/05, Viper550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, Grids mess up monitors, and even subtile things make it too busy, so I thought I'd make a unique circle arrangement, punching holes into circles and putting smaller ones inside touching the edges, but soon I realized that I could arrange them to be like the people in the Ubuntu emblem, so here we go; Humanity:Unhinged Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=humanitysplash5ti.png (thank you imageshack!) Viper550 Visually Appealing. I think it looks very nice. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tango
On 10/19/05, Oliver Grawert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, Am Mittwoch, den 19.10.2005, 22:51 +1000 schrieb Pascal Klein: Nevertheless, when the time comes that Tango is finished I think it would be a lovely idea to include is as is; The Tango set. It can be shipped like normal. :) a snapshot package with the current tango icon theme is already in breezy... ciao oli The Tango team is largely (?/partially?) made up of Novel Desktop developers. I think that visual aesthetics is one place where Linux distributions *should* differentiate themselves. Be careful embracing Tango at the expensive of Ubuntu's distinctive look. I'm not saying it's bad to give users that choice, but we ( or maybe I ) want Ubuntu to be a *unique* thing of beauty. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tango
On 10/19/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Matthew Nuzum The Tango team is largely (?/partially?) made up of Novel Desktop developers. I think that visual aesthetics is one place where Linux distributions *should* differentiate themselves. Be careful embracing Tango at the expensive of Ubuntu's distinctive look. a) We don't have a distinctive look for our icons at the moment (we ship the GNOME icons by default right now). Ah. That explains the foot. The only two Gnome's I've used is RedHat/Fedora and Ubuntu and they look much different from each other, so I didn't realize these were defaults. c) How do completely different looking 'Linux' [1] desktops help users? I'm not suggesting they look completely different, I'm suggesting they have unique visual styles. In a sense, if you've seen Windows XP Home and compared it to Windows XP Media Center there is a a unique visual style to media center. It doesn't look drastically different - everything is still in the same place, it just has a little additional flair. That is what I was suggesting with Ubuntu, and note that I said this type of distinction should be emphasized, implying that some other things that differ between distros should not. I was initially attracted to Ubuntu because it's simple, clean and elegant style *looked* much nicer than the cluttered Fedora/RedHat desktop I'd used before. However your point b is well taken - I know creating one icon is tricky, and since Ubuntu doesn't differentiate itself from others now in the icons it uses, then if a new suite of nice looking icons is available then it makes sense to use it. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Re: Matthew Nuzum - THANKS .. I have sent you the files.
On 9/28/05, Vijay Kishan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the offer Matthew, grin I am jumping at it. I have forwarded 2 picturs to you. Hope you are able to make something out of them in time. These are some ol picutrs that I had stored in my gmail account, and I am releasing it under GPL , Send more! Those are gorgeous. You have taken excellent photos and so little touch-up is needed. I've merely cropped it and boosted the color a little. Here is a before and after of the insects: Before color adjustment: http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=matingemigrantsbefore1bj.jpg After: http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=matingemigrantsafter9un.jpg (Note to others, I've resized these to 800x600 for bandwidth savings... the true images are massive 4644x3483) Vijay, what are you shooting with? I am in GMT + 5.5 (India). its (8.45am here now) regards -Vijay Kishan I'll finish them in the morning my time. Nice work. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Spreading the word
On 9/23/05, Oliver Grawert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd like to point out that its very important that the licensing forartwork ubuntu can ship must be the cc-sa-2.5 (*) license and that alsocontained third party pictures need to be under a opensource license (in the above case i suspect the glasses are third party stuff and i doubtits freely licensed if it's got a license at all)A lot of stock photography is royalty free if it is part of a project. You just can't disbribute the stock image separately. Of course some stock photos are purchased every time they're used, so the individual artists will need to be diligent about what stock they use.-- Matthew Nuzumwww.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: daper drake - woo hoo!
On 9/15/05, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was browsing through my stock photos I've purchased and came across two perfect pictures that I actually shot myself. Unfortunately, I shot them with an old mavica (the ones with the floppy disk drive built in) so the res is low and they have a horrid blue cast... Well, I've touched them up a little in photoshop, and here is the result: http://bearfruit.followers.net/images/BEARFRUIT000/large_BEARFRUIT000_12964.jpg I'm tracing the duck into SVG, but its going to be a big job. Here's what I have so far, do you think this is worth pursuing, or should I spend my time elsewhere? I'm eager to hear your thoughts... -- Matthew Nuzumwww.bearfruit.org attachment: dapper_duck_trace_alpha.JPG -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Let's talk about ART baby...
For an Art mailing list, we sure do talk about websites a lot. This is why I say rule by comittee never works... you end up having too much talk and too little action. Here's my attempt to get the conversation art-focused again. http://art.gnome.org/contests/2.12-splash/214 I threw that together for the gnome 2.12 splash contest but I'm not happy with it. It looks fake, and I think it has something to do with the depth of field. What can I do to get that looking more realistic? Yeah, I realize its too late to change my entry. I'm using photoshop 6, btw. (can't bring myself to pay the upgrade to CS2 yet) -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] art website wiki page
On 9/2/05, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is free image hosting. I added a thumbnail to the wiki page and a link to the full-size image. Here's the code I used to do this: (added by Matt Nuzum: But you can use a free service such as [http://imageshack.us/ ImageShack] to host the images. For example, here is a [http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntusplash6xp.png grub splash screen] I made a while back) http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9382/ubuntusplash6xp.th.png -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org Oh, I'm not trying to promote the use of my grub splash screen, btw. It's flawed because the ubuntu logo needs to be at the bottom so that the grub menu does not obscure it. However, I created a link to the full zip file containing everything in case someone wants to fix it. It's a little bit of a pain getting things to look nice with a 14 color pallete. http://bearfruit.followers.net/Technology.OSS_in_Ministry.OSS_Downloads is the download page for the zip file for anyone who cares to inspect it. I do like the logo at the top, so maybe its possible to get the box of boot options to start a little lower... -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
