Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Jan Claeys]

Op maandag 31-05-2010 om 11:18 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Pierre
Buyle:
> My two cents about cheap t-shirts... Usually, cheap comes with a
> price. Where does the blank tshirts come from and in what condition
> were they produced ? I guess the seller won't be able,or doesn't want
> to to tell. Chances are that they were produced in a country with
> none, or very low, social protection for workers and without any
> respect for the environment. Now, you may be disrupted and annoyed and
> feel I'm hijacking An Ubuntu(-be) related discussion with something
> totally unrelated. I don't think I'm. To me, Free Software and Ubuntu
> are about freedom and respect for all, not only for wealthy software
> users. So I think I have to share these facts in this thread. I think
> they are important when making the kind of decisions discussed here.
> You may disagree and you may not care, this is your choice and this is
> not the place to argue it. So I'll cut it here, let you make your own
> decisions and won't interfere further. 

+1 on using t-shirts that are friendly to humans & the environment
(or at least as friendly as possible...)


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Jan Claeys]

Op maandag 31-05-2010 om 12:42 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Pierre
Buyle:
> I believe B&C and Fruit of the Loom (another brand) to
> be the cheapest producer. 

They are not cheaper than brandless t-shirts, but for sure there have
been issues with those companies (e.g. at the FotL factory in Morocco,
women & girls had to work > 12h/day with the factory doors literally
locked--imagine what happens in such circumstances when there is a
fire...).

I'm not sure how "clean" they are these days though.


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Dirk Tas]

Hallo


Ik heb zelf een Lucid t-shirt gekocht bij Canonical en de kwaliteit van deze
t-shirt's is zeer goed, persoonlijk vind ik dat toch ook belangrijk, ik bij
wijze van spreken liever geen t-shirt waarvan ik weet dat het ergens met
'chinese' methode's geproduceerd is.



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On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Steven Leeman  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Ward De Ridder wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone
>>
>> I was surfing a litle bit on the internet, and I found this:
>> http://www.t-shirts-bedrukken.be/
>> Print 100 white T-shirts for €249 (I have to figure out if VAT (BTW) is
>> included, but it's a nice price anyway)
>>
>
> hopelijk zijn het niet de "goedkoopste"
> http://www.t-shirts-bedrukken.be/t-shirts-bedrukken_prijzen_t-shirtA.phpheeft 
> als bijsluiter:
>
> De tshirts worden *vooral gekocht voor kort gebruik, bijvoorbeeld voor
> eenmalige evenementen en dergelijke*. Voor langdurig of intensief gebruik
> worden de T-shirts in hoge 
> kwaliteitof
>  de
> *'value'* (prijs/kwaliteit) 
> T-shirtsaangeraden
>  !
>
>
>> Wouldn't it be great to print our own ubuntu t-shirts, the shirts from the
>> ubuntu shop are rather expensive, and if we can sell t-shirs for €4 (with a
>> litle profit for ubuntu-be) I thing this will sell very well (for example @
>> fosdem). We can even make a slightly different design.
>> I don't have much time now, but in 2 weeks I will have plenty of time to
>> search for other t-shirt print services, to compare prices, and to make a
>> design to print on the t-shirts.
>> Most people @fosdem buy white or black t-shirts with only an ubuntu logo,
>> they are not for sale at the canonical store at the moment, and they cost us
>> at least €10.
>>
>> Let me know if you are interested!
>>
>> Ward
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Steven Leeman]

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Ward De Ridder wrote:

> According to the website this are the t-shirts used:
> http://www.stedman.eu/Men-s-Collection/Classic-Men.html
> Do you know anything about it, I'm also concerned about those things,
> especially Child labour.
>
>
check for "made in china" products... oops everything is made in china these
days...

http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-accused-of-using-chinese-child-labor-171416.phtml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7330986/Apple-admits-using-child-labour.html
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Pierre Buyle]

Hi,

No, I don't know about http://www.stedman.eu/. They have a "daclared"
Business ethics which looks good
(http://www.stedman.eu/Business-ethics/). The easiest way to check it
further is to call them to ask them precise information on how and
where they product are made and any guarantee they may have about the
respect of their business ethics. I don't know much, but I'm sure any
really "responsible" business producing "fair" goods is/should be able
to have an independent organization to control and validate their
fairness of those of their producer. From various sources, I've often
heard that "non-clean" business are usually reluctant to give any
information that could lead identification of their to producer, if
not openly aggressive about it.

Now, the price list at
http://www.t-shirts-bedrukken.be/t-shirts-bedrukken_prijzen_t-shirts.html
is unclear about the actual brand. It appears they also uses B&C tee.
AFAIK, B&C (http://www.bc-collection.eu) is not fair-trade or
eco-friendly. I believe B&C and Fruit of the Loom (another brand) to
be the cheapest producer. I would be (happily) surprised if Stedman
respect its business ethics and match their prices.

P.

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Ward De Ridder  wrote:
> According to the website this are the t-shirts used:
> http://www.stedman.eu/Men-s-Collection/Classic-Men.html
> Do you know anything about it, I'm also concerned about those things,
> especially Child labour.

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Ward De Ridder]

According to the website this are the t-shirts used:
http://www.stedman.eu/Men-s-Collection/Classic-Men.html
Do you know anything about it, I'm also concerned about those things,
especially Child labour.

Ward

2010/5/31 Pierre Buyle 
>
> Hi,
>
> My two cents about cheap t-shirts... Usually, cheap comes with a
> price. Where does the blank tshirts come from and in what condition
> were they produced ? I guess the seller won't be able,or doesn't want
> to to tell. Chances are that they were produced in a country with
> none, or very low, social protection for workers and without any
> respect for the environment. Now, you may be disrupted and annoyed and
> feel I'm hijacking An Ubuntu(-be) related discussion with something
> totally unrelated. I don't think I'm. To me, Free Software and Ubuntu
> are about freedom and respect for all, not only for wealthy software
> users. So I think I have to share these facts in this thread. I think
> they are important when making the kind of decisions discussed here.
> You may disagree and you may not care, this is your choice and this is
> not the place to argue it. So I'll cut it here, let you make your own
> decisions and won't interfere further.
>
> --
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>
>
> PS: AFAIK, Canonical's tee are produced by American Apparel, they may
> not be perfect but surely better than many other producers. I don't
> know for their other products.
> PPS: I'm sure you can get social and environment friendly printed tee
> in Belgium, but they will cost more than the 4€/tee.
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Pierre Buyle]

Hi,

My two cents about cheap t-shirts... Usually, cheap comes with a
price. Where does the blank tshirts come from and in what condition
were they produced ? I guess the seller won't be able,or doesn't want
to to tell. Chances are that they were produced in a country with
none, or very low, social protection for workers and without any
respect for the environment. Now, you may be disrupted and annoyed and
feel I'm hijacking An Ubuntu(-be) related discussion with something
totally unrelated. I don't think I'm. To me, Free Software and Ubuntu
are about freedom and respect for all, not only for wealthy software
users. So I think I have to share these facts in this thread. I think
they are important when making the kind of decisions discussed here.
You may disagree and you may not care, this is your choice and this is
not the place to argue it. So I'll cut it here, let you make your own
decisions and won't interfere further.

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PS: AFAIK, Canonical's tee are produced by American Apparel, they may
not be perfect but surely better than many other producers. I don't
know for their other products.
PPS: I'm sure you can get social and environment friendly printed tee
in Belgium, but they will cost more than the 4€/tee.

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Willem Hulscher]

Ik heb wel interesse ja. Maar mss kun je wel kijken hoeveel gekleurde kosten 
ook. Ik zit er niet mee om 7 of 8 euro per t-shirt te betalen.







From: Ward De Ridder 
To: Ubuntu Belgium 
Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:43:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

Dat zou altijd kunnen, maar we kunnen dan t-shirts voor 3 - 4 euro verkopen, 
daar zal wel vraag naar zijn denk ik!
Als er interesse is zal ik wel verdere rondvraag doen bij andere bedrijven en 
zo ook, maar de prijs zal normaal gezien wel onder de €4 zitten per t-shirt als 
het wit is.
Met deze vraag wilde ik vooral eens horen of er interesse is, dat ik dat niet 
allemaal uitzoek voor niets.

Ward


2010/5/30 Steven Leeman 


>
>hopelijk zijn het niet de 
>"goedkoopste"http://www.t-shirts-bedrukken.be/t-shirts-bedrukken_prijzen_t-shirtA.php
> heeft als bijsluiter:
>
>De tshirts worden vooral gekocht voor kort gebruik, bijvoorbeeld voor 
>eenmalige evenementen en dergelijke. Voor langdurig of intensief gebruik
> worden de T-shirts
> in hoge kwaliteit of de 'value' (prijs/kwaliteit)
> T-shirts aangeraden ! 
>



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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Ward De Ridder]

Dat zou altijd kunnen, maar we kunnen dan t-shirts voor 3 - 4 euro verkopen,
daar zal wel vraag naar zijn denk ik!
Als er interesse is zal ik wel verdere rondvraag doen bij andere bedrijven
en zo ook, maar de prijs zal normaal gezien wel onder de €4 zitten per
t-shirt als het wit is.
Met deze vraag wilde ik vooral eens horen of er interesse is, dat ik dat
niet allemaal uitzoek voor niets.

Ward

2010/5/30 Steven Leeman 

>
> hopelijk zijn het niet de "goedkoopste"
> http://www.t-shirts-bedrukken.be/t-shirts-bedrukken_prijzen_t-shirtA.phpheeft 
> als bijsluiter:
>
> De tshirts worden *vooral gekocht voor kort gebruik, bijvoorbeeld voor
> eenmalige evenementen en dergelijke*. Voor langdurig of intensief gebruik
> worden de T-shirts in hoge 
> kwaliteitof
>  de
> *'value'* (prijs/kwaliteit) 
> T-shirtsaangeraden
>  !
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Steven Leeman]

On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Ward De Ridder wrote:

> Hello everyone
>
> I was surfing a litle bit on the internet, and I found this:
> http://www.t-shirts-bedrukken.be/
> Print 100 white T-shirts for €249 (I have to figure out if VAT (BTW) is
> included, but it's a nice price anyway)
>

hopelijk zijn het niet de "goedkoopste"
http://www.t-shirts-bedrukken.be/t-shirts-bedrukken_prijzen_t-shirtA.phpheeft
als bijsluiter:

De tshirts worden *vooral gekocht voor kort gebruik, bijvoorbeeld voor
eenmalige evenementen en dergelijke*. Voor langdurig of intensief gebruik
worden de T-shirts in hoge
kwaliteitof
de
*'value'* (prijs/kwaliteit)
T-shirtsaangeraden
!


> Wouldn't it be great to print our own ubuntu t-shirts, the shirts from the
> ubuntu shop are rather expensive, and if we can sell t-shirs for €4 (with a
> litle profit for ubuntu-be) I thing this will sell very well (for example @
> fosdem). We can even make a slightly different design.
> I don't have much time now, but in 2 weeks I will have plenty of time to
> search for other t-shirt print services, to compare prices, and to make a
> design to print on the t-shirts.
> Most people @fosdem buy white or black t-shirts with only an ubuntu logo,
> they are not for sale at the canonical store at the moment, and they cost us
> at least €10.
>
> Let me know if you are interested!
>
> Ward
>
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[Ubuntu-be] Print our own T-shirs

[Ward De Ridder]

Hello everyone

I was surfing a litle bit on the internet, and I found this:
http://www.t-shirts-bedrukken.be/
Print 100 white T-shirts for €249 (I have to figure out if VAT (BTW) is
included, but it's a nice price anyway)
Wouldn't it be great to print our own ubuntu t-shirts, the shirts from the
ubuntu shop are rather expensive, and if we can sell t-shirs for €4 (with a
litle profit for ubuntu-be) I thing this will sell very well (for example @
fosdem). We can even make a slightly different design.
I don't have much time now, but in 2 weeks I will have plenty of time to
search for other t-shirt print services, to compare prices, and to make a
design to print on the t-shirts.
Most people @fosdem buy white or black t-shirts with only an ubuntu logo,
they are not for sale at the canonical store at the moment, and they cost us
at least €10.

Let me know if you are interested!

Ward
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