[Bug 371897]
I guess most people know it by now, but I've finally had some time to try it out myself, so... https://github.com/wine-compholio/wine-staging/wiki/Installation Wonder how long it'll take for pulse related patches to get into upstream Wine (if they ever will), but so far this is the closest thing to a solution to our common problem. Quite sad if you ask me, but that's the world we live in ^^ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
We should all acknowledge that they're not gonna add pulseaudio support, due to reasons that lack any technical relevance (whatever you say, use a plugin for alsa makes any argument used along a *joke*). After all, this project belongs to AJ his crew, so we really can't do anything to force a change or a feature request. The best thing to do about it right now is to either use Maarten Lankhorst's git repository and build wine ourselves ( http://repo.or.cz/w/wine/multimedia.git ) or, for ubuntu/debian users to use this repository: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu- wine/+archive/ubuntu/ppa . It's sad, but it's been like this since 2007, and the best answer so far has been try this patch to our alsa driver!... I doubt anyone actually checks this bug report anymore (if any dev ever did), we'll just have to live with it, and be grateful that the Wine project is actually here, or we wouldn't be able to run Windows programs on Linux at all. Audio-wise the project is stuck in 2007 but and everyone that have any relevance with its governance is fine like this, so... Just use patches to get PA support, updating this bug report has been quite useless for 5 years now. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
(In reply to Susan Cragin from comment #413) My above post is confusing in one regard. I was able to get Youtube music on my linux Firefox, and NatSpeak on my wine, simultaneously. I did one more test. I set pulseaudio autospawn to No, killed pulseaudio, and started Natspeak wine. Natspeak worked great. Andrew, you may wish to ask the developer listserv if this patch should be included in the regular code. Mh... Sorry, do you mean that you had to kill pulseaudio to get a good audio output, or that the patch works well with and without PA? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
(In reply to Rosanne DiMesio from comment #400) (In reply to Michael Gooch from comment #399) audio issues on these distros when run in wine, DESPITE the distros patching in winepulse support ( Doesn't that just prove that a winepulse driver is NOT the answer to the audio problems some users still have? Following this logic, Wine is not the answer to run programs not natively ported on Linux, and it should've been dropped years ago. This doesn't have to be perceived as criticism towards Wine of course, since it has improved greatly since it actually required a lot of work to make simple programs work on it. In fact, Wine is a good example of how something buggy can become more and more stable when people keep working on it... Wonder what would've have happened if the majority of its developers would've just said screw developing Wine, just dual boot Windows and dropped coding Wine. Like it or not, Pulseaudio is a reality now (it has actually been such for quite a few years), and it is time to actually deal with it. Also, I'd like to note that alsa's support for pulse has always been buggy, and has made little to none improvement in the last years, at least not where it matters or enough to let wine provide a working, continuous and appreciable sound output. I understand it takes less effort to say blame alsa-plugins, not us than maintaining a proper pulse driver, but you actually already have some people who'd do that for you. Also, please, stop pretending that at this point Pulseaudio can be dropped in favor of alsa. Doing that implies the loss of a good deal of features which may actually be essential to some users, and it is also quite foolish to suggest user to do so. What's the point of Wine becoming more stable and needing less and less tweaks to make programs run on it, when users would still have to do a good deal of tuning to force alsa into their systems (as long as it is still possible)? Winepusle is buggy, yes, but it offers far better support to audio output than wine's alsa driver is doing right now. It's not perfect, indeed, but at least it offers FUNCTIONAL audio output. To be fair, I can't see how the issues that the current alsa driver is causing (from stuttering audio to the complete lack of it, passing through random and loud ear-unfriendly noises) isn't seen as a major (if not critical) bug, causing a good loos of functionality. What's the point right now to keep winepulse out of Wine? It isn't doing worse than winealsa is, it'll make some people stop complaining, it'll save time for several packagers... And it wouldn't even mean the removal of winealsa, for those who don't want Pulseaudio on their system. Please, just hear the users who have posted on this bug report since 2007: at first it was just a feature request, but as years passed it become something more, something necessary due to the evolution course of most Linux distros. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
(In reply to Ben Klein from comment #404) One of my major objections to the existing Winepulse code is that it seems to completely ignore MIDI support. Even without the other hurdles to inclusion, an audio driver simply would not be considered if it will completely break applications that ask for MIDI. Although that is a major flaw on winepulse's part, it is something that can be implemented (especially if more people can would work on it upstream), and the same goes for any other other feature. The current winealsa, on the other end, has to rely on a (bugged and not reliable, as it has proven itself) third party plugin to provide any audio output on most current distros, and it can't really be tweaked according to wine devs' desires. That doesn't count at all? Or is someone actively working on a better solution to this 8 years old problem? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
(In reply to Austin English from comment #406) Bugzilla is not for discussion, as has been pointed out, e.g., http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10495#c251. Please take the discussion somewhere else. To avoid further discussion in this bug report, which seems to come back to life every so often, could you (Wine's staff) set up a place where it can be held, and where devs would actually give us (wine users) some kind of information about this issue? Mailing lists aren't so easy to follow when one doesn't have the time to dig through it all (I may be wrong, but the newest information regarding winepulse on wine-devel is months old), and having someone rationally explaining why winepulse is being kept away from upstream (in a non-wiki form, where users could actually ask questions and explain their perplexities and needs, and where they'd be able to hear actual devs explaining the technical difficulties, with a real interaction between the two) would prevent this bug report being flooded, AND it could also help to improve the general opinion of Wine devs (which some claimed to be narrow minded and refusing winepulse by personal believes/grudges rather than technical reasons). Simple answers (eg. we're working on it, talk about it somewhere else, read wine-devel) won't really prevent this discussion to spawn again in the future, isn't it better to face this problem now, after 8 years? I know users don't really have the right to make any demand to developers, but so far we've been ignored, threatened to being suspended from being able to post bug reports, and mocked (as it has been said in the forums sometimes, install alsa or disable sounds and such, which is plain mockery as some people actually need pulse for a reason or another), I believe we deserve some clear answers after all that. So please, I beg you, set up a place where devs and users can, even for limited time, have a constructive chat about this issue, so that everyone can have an idea of what is actually gonna happen in the future regarding an upstream pulse driver. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
Just a friendly reminder, but after another 4 months of waiting, how is this being handled? Is pulseaudio support still considered trivial/unneeded, although it's mandatory on some systems (eg. those on which a good/easy way to control audio streams is needed)? I'd also like to add that using the wine-multimedia git repository (the one with the pulseaudio driver) I'm not experiencing this gstreamer related bug: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30557 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1226314] [NEW] Wine and Debian compatibility (versioning numbers)
Public bug reported: Since Ubuntu and Debian use different versioning numbers for some packages, Wine is not installabe on Debian systems through the PPA. The issue is libpulse0, at version 1:0.99.1 on Ubuntu and 4.0-6+b1 on Debian. Wine requires this library to be = 1:0.99.1, so the latter does not met the requisites. Changing the dependency to = 1:0.99.1 | = 0.99.1 should fix this, without any other issue (the other packages have the same names, and the binary runs just fine). Could you consider doing so? ** Affects: wine (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1226314 Title: Wine and Debian compatibility (versioning numbers) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/1226314/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
I was waiting to ask this as well... Since wine 1.6 is out now, will winepulse be one of 1.8's goals? I haven't seen many references to this on the mailing list either lately -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
So, it's been a month since the last update about this... How are things going? Will winepulse make it into upstream? Has there been an actual collaboration between Maarten and the devs? Also, just for the record: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTIxOTg By the way, I think this should be changed to major, since the lack of sound in most (if not all) applications should be probably considered a major loss of functionality for a wide range of applications -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
(In reply to comment #393) Patches have been sent, people posted reviews/comments. E.g.,: Thanks a lot for the info! (In reply to comment #393) Check the first comment, it's a feature request = enhancement. Pulseaudio is supposed to be compatible with ALSA, which Wine already supports, and sound does work for a lot of use cases.* *Note: This is not meant to restart the debate about Pulseaudio/Wine/etc. I'm explaining why, as a bugzilla admin, I'm not marking it major. Sounds fair, but since it's been 5 years since that post, I thought it was worth asking :p -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
I know I'm just a user and I probably don't understand much of wine's developement, but Maarten put a lot of effort into a patch that fixes an issue ( or a serious lacking, up to you ) that wine'd had for 5 years now, shouldn't that be enough to prove himself to the devs' team? At least take a look at his work, everybody who tested it can say how well it works, and it's surely better than the other pulse patch around. Heck, it even makes games run smoother now that alsa/pa don't hog the cpus anymore. Even if you still don't trust him, or if he committed some errors in the past, you have to face the actual situation: years ago pulseaudio was considered ( by some ) to be the future of sound management for linux, writing a driver for it was pretty much a gamble, especially since wine already had a ton of other drivers that could work with pa. Right now though, pa is the default on many distros, including the most popular ones, and it's actually been like that for a couple of years. How much longer will this have to carry on? Wine's support for pa should be a must right now, sticking with alsa is just not viable anymore ( you don't believe me? Check how many distros ship a patched wine with pa support ), and waiting for Maarten to prove himself worthy by doing unrelated work will just push back this necessary feature for how much? Months? Years? Even worse, the other pa patch could be included in wine before that, the one with many sound issues and that still causes cpu spikes, and that'd just make harder ( if not impossible, or not worth it ) to include the only working pa support we have right now. Seriously, at least take a look at his work and give some technical reasons why you don't want to include it in upstream wine, else it'll keep looking like you just don't care about pa for personal reasons, as I ( and probably other people ) think. It's really time to catch up with the present. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
Many people who tried Maarten's winepulse can testify how well it works. Even if there'd been some misunderstandings in the past, he put much effort in his work, in an area where upstream wine's progress was non existent. Face it, supporting pulse via alsa-plugins is just not viable, it didn't work well in the past and it surely isn't working well now, winepulse is surely a better, fully functional alternative. Also, use alsa instead of pulse is just a way to avoid the issue which has been carried on for too long ( look when this all started: 2007-11-18 12:47:22 CST ), most distros now ship with pulseaudio and sometimes getting alsa to work instead of it can be too difficult for a newbie user ( asound.conf, anyone? ). Many things have been said in the past, but now wine 1.4 is out, there is no code freeze... Can't you give eachother another chance and try to work together, now that there aren't any real reasons not to review winepulse? Stubborness, on any side, doesn't get wine good pulse support... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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I'd like to report as well that Maarten's patch used by Ubuntu Wine Team on launchpad actually fixes every sound issue I was experiencing, and it actually allows me not to worry about restarting pulse and wine every 30 minutes or so... And I'm somehow getting better overall performances too -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
Yes, that is a common problem. It happens with most games if you run them for enough time, 1 hour into Left 4 Dead 2 and the audio dies (just for wine of course, other programs aren't affected at all), the only way to get it back is to restart both pulse. By the way, restarting pulse means that you have to restart any programs using audio output (and some of them crash in doing so, see rhythmbox) or they'll go mute, making the whole thing even more annoying. It looks like nobody will fix this anytime soon, just look for how long they've been ignoring this issue. The only answers you'll get will be either whine at your distro's mainteiners and make them update alsa-plugins to the latest git (and it still won't solve this problem) or remove pulsaudio and go back to alsa (because who needs pulse? On a totally unrelated topic, switch to Netscape, no need for new fancy browsers or new web standards)... Yet pulseaudio is officially supported through alsa. So yeah, never thought I'd say this, but if you need audio output you should really consider a dual boot system with Linux and Windows, Wine simply won't work as for now. PROVE ME WRONG AND FIXE AUDIO ISSUES WITH PULSE PLEASE. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
(In reply to comment #340) Fire up bugs please in case you've got problem after compiling and installing latest alsa-plugins from git. Whining is a cool thing but the only way to get bugs fixed is to fire up bugs and do anything you can to sort them out. Sorry for the little rage in my last post, but so far it's been the only way to get a decent reply from someone. You don't know what you're talking about. PA is a buggy thing, alsa pulse plugin is also a buggy thing, and even default ALSA's dmix+plug setup is a buggy thing. Wanna details? Monitor wine-bugs list for messages by Andrew Eikum and Jörg Höhle - they are working really hard to workaround all the bugs in ALSA+dmix+PA+Wine that had been reported so far. I am (unluckly) well aware how buggy PA is. Point is, just look at the comments of this bug report. Look at the answers we've been given, or even better, check the wiki's sound page, or how many bugs have been filed for this kind of issue, or take a look at the forum's sticky posts about sound issues. Once there was even a lot of talk about a pulse driver after the new audio interface'd have been completed, then silence. Now I'd just like to know Wine's developers' official position about this issue, since so far I've only seen the kind of answers that I've reported in my above post, and the sound's been like this for... Mmmmh... I don't remember exactly, 6 months? I'd like to know what to expect from the future, be it we are working to make audio work better with pulse through alsa, we are working on a pulse driver or screw pulse, it won't be supported anymore, because that pulse is supported through alsa, but you may aswell disable it since it doesn't work thing is getting pretty old. Really, I appreciate the dev's work on such a big and complicated project as Wine is, but some news about this old (yet persistent) issue could help In case you wanna be 100% sure about compatibility - dual booting is a good choice. If you can handle some problems - Wine isn't a bag choice either. Honestly, I can handle random crashes, loss of data, occasional lag, graphical issues (I remember the old times when most games wouldn't even start with Wine), but they all get fixed sooner or later... This issue, on the other hand, has been carried around for quite a while.. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
Then I guess it's either one of these 3: 1. Debian (and some others) use broken version of alsa-plugins 2. Ubuntu uses some custom patches (henche the 1.0.24-0ubuntuX version number) 3. I've turned selectively deaf :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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(In reply to comment #329) Thus, answering to your initial question: there were some PA compatibility fixes addressed during Wine's sound subsystem rewrite but you should always stick to latest versions of all components of modern linux desktop sound subsystem to have most old bug fixed (and new introduced). I usually agree with the 'stick to latest versions' thing, but I believe one thing should be noted here: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page_News The official ALSA releases have been kind of rare lately (1 during 2010, and the latest being 2011-01-31), so the only way to keep it updated is to actually compile it, which can be a problem for those users who don't have a clue on how to do it; just think at those who try Linux (mostly Ubuntu) and then find out their games/programs aren't working as they expected under Wine (and believe me, I've seen way too many of those)... I don't want to sound harsh, but unless there's a better way to keep alsa-plugins updated (at least to a version that does make the sound work), PA shouldn't be considered 'supported through alsa' -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 371897]
A link from your link suggests that a PulseAudio alsa-plugin fix may be in Ubuntu 11.10 that addresses buffer underrun issues. This is a good thing, but does mean that those stuck on other Ubuntu versions (or non-Ubuntu distros using older PulseAudio versions) may still have issues with Wine + pulseaudio. I'm interested to an answer to the above question as well... For the record, I'm on Debian Sid and I'm still experiencing sound issues with wine + pusleaudio, which makes most games hard to enjoy (or to play at all, in some cases). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
