[Bug 102719] Re: X server crash doesn't fall back to console
The usplash package has been superseded by plymouth and has been removed from the Ubuntu archive. Closing all related bugs. ** Changed in: usplash (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102719 Title: X server crash doesn't fall back to console -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 102719] Re: X server crash doesn't fall back to console
It sounds as if there are still messages on the tty from various startup items, after the gettys have been launched. ** Changed in: usplash (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: None => usplash Importance: Undecided => Medium Assignee: Micah Cowan => (unassigned) ** Changed in: usplash (Ubuntu) Status: Needs Info => Confirmed -- X server crash doesn't fall back to console https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102719 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 102719] Re: X server crash doesn't fall back to console
Yes, it is the "splash" option that must be giving the blank screen. When I remove the splash (and quiet) option I don't get the blank screen. However all is still not well. While I don't get the blank screen, I don't get a proper login prompt either. I can see the output from the startup sequence and the screen just sits there where the last startup item ended. I can then type my username and hit enter and then my password and enter which will take me to a standard tty1. Hope this helps. Mike -- X server crash doesn't fall back to console https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102719 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 102719] Re: X server crash doesn't fall back to console
Can you positively isolate what causes a difference between black-screen and can-get-tty? Try keeping the runlevel the same, and just modifying one of the boot parameters at a time. I'm particularly interested in seeing if the "splash" option is what caused the difference. ** Changed in: Ubuntu Assignee: (unassigned) => Micah Cowan Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info -- X server crash doesn't fall back to console https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102719 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 102719] Re: X server crash doesn't fall back to console
I came from Red Hat and variants in which runlevel 3 doesn't start X from init. So I was, and I know I shouldn't, assuming that Ubuntu/Debian would be the same as far as that goes. I was editing the grub entry before booting to start in runlevel 3 and during the editing I also removed the splash and quiet options. Maybe I'm just getting lucky and one of them is causing the blank screen. The xorg.conf problems were two different issues. I tried installing the NVIDIA driver manually and also had the kernel-restricted-modules package installed which seems to cause a conflict. For some reason the kernel thinks at bootup that it will be loading the 7184 (legacy) NVIDIA driver and when it finds the new 9755 driver it crashes X. This I corrected by removing the restricted-modules package and then it worked, but my resolution wasn't what I wanted. So I manually edited the modes in my xorg.conf file and forgot a set of quotation marks which gave me the second X crash. If I can provide any other details please let me know. Mike -- X server crash doesn't fall back to console https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102719 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 102719] Re: X server crash doesn't fall back to console
Thanks for the clarification. The meaning of runlevels is very distro-specific. In Debian (or, at least Ubuntu), Runlevels 2 through 5 are all extremely similar to one another, differing in things like whether apache or ntp-server are started. ?dm's run in all four of those runlevels. Which is why I'm surprised that there's a difference when you reboot into runlevel 3: the only significant difference on my Edgy machine seems to be that /etc/rc2.d has starts for powernowd.early and stop- readahead. I take it then, that when you have the black screen, you can't even see a text cursor (with no text)? That it's completely black? Also, from your first description, it sounds like you're aware of at least some of the issues with your xorg.conf that were causing it to fail sometimes: could you describe that more, please? It's worth considering that this could /potentially/ be a failure of upstart to load up gettys on the various ttys... -- X server crash doesn't fall back to console https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102719 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 102719] Re: X server crash doesn't fall back to console
I know about changing ttys with --. This is part of the problem. It doesn't work. Only a blank screen with an underscore cursor in the upper left corner that does nothing. No login. No commands. Nothing. I realise that GDM is supposed to send you to a tty console. GDM may work this way in Ubuntu. However, KDM doesn't do this. I believe the bug may be in KDM. I kind of mentioned this before with the fact that even in runlevel 3 it doesn't start correctly. This is because KDM still tries to run in runlevel 3, which it probably shouldn't, and then after it fails, I can login, but do not actually get a login prompt. ** Changed in: Ubuntu Status: Rejected => Unconfirmed -- X server crash doesn't fall back to console https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102719 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 102719] Re: X server crash doesn't fall back to console
You can reach a console on ttys 1-6 by typing -- through -. X generally runs on tty 7, so you can get back there by doing --; however, when X isn't running due to config problems, the gdm restart will, in general, automatically throw you into the tty X will use. I will assume that this solves your problem, and close out the bug. If you feel that I have not fully addressed your issue, please do feel free to reopen this bug. Also, it might be worthwhile issuing a more general bug along the lines of "Ubuntu needs more user-friendly handling in cases of X failure", to address a potential "bug" that the current method for dealing with the circumstance may be insufficiently user friendly. :-) ** Changed in: Ubuntu Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected -- X server crash doesn't fall back to console https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102719 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
